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It seems like there an awful lot of grey area and things left to interpretation. There's been some seriously weak warnings handed out for basically nothing. But I hear the site makes more off of me if I'm not a platinum member, so maybe that's why I get the hate? I can completely understand limiting hate and threats, it just seems some would limit any comment they don't absolutely agree with. It kind of creates an echo chamber IMHO. But what do I know? I still wear headbands from the 80's... View Quote |
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This brings up another possible point of confusion. You've said that about posting more borderline stuff in Team is the right answer, but I've seen mods disagree with that, as the operating feel of Team is that it's GD without the antics. Can you touch on this apparent disconnect, please? View Quote |
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Okay now what makes a thread a waste of site resources? It seems like a broad term that can be used at will.
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I'll keep renewing if we get GD behind a paywall.
Then it would cost _ money to shitpost. If they want soros to fund site growth then be it. |
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I would not be opposed to making GD logged in only. (Free but need an account to read.) That might help other areas of contention, but it still wont make GD a free for all. The rules in place now are there for a reason. They have been there for years with little changing. Putting it behind a little security would be more for the site's privacy than anything else.
The only thing that we would lose is things like breaking news being accessible to folks on the outside. Again, not a huge concern in the grand scheme of things. |
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I would not be opposed to making GD logged in only. (Free but need an account to read.) That might help other areas of contention, but it still wont make GD a free for all. The rules in place now are there for a reason. They have been there for years with little changing. Putting it behind a little security would be more for the site's privacy than anything else. The only thing that we would lose is things like breaking news being accessible to folks on the outside. Again, not a huge concern in the grand scheme of things. View Quote I think people are suggesting a new forum like team or BOTD that get unlocked with a payed membership and which would have a little more leeway. People can still get breaking news on what's currently GD. |
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, because I don't see what that would accomplish. I think people are suggesting a new forum like team or BOTD that get unlocked with a payed membership and which would have a little more leeway. People can still get breaking news on what's currently GD. View Quote |
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Go look at some of the threads in team. Those posters are not wanting the GD experience 8n their thread and it would be wrong to bring it to them. They wanted to stay away and we should respect that. |
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People are suggesting a couple of things. The one that stands out to me is making GD simply require a user to be logged into the site to read it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, because I don't see what that would accomplish. I think people are suggesting a new forum like team or BOTD that get unlocked with a payed membership and which would have a little more leeway. People can still get breaking news on what's currently GD. Do both. |
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Power hungry mods abused their authority and ruined our fun? Always been that way.
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So is good shoot fuck criminals okay or not?
Lots of people seem to fear voicing their thoughts. I know what is beyond common sense. Internet is no placd for dumbasses and I have wondered what the server host had to say. At least now i know. Oh well CoC criminals. |
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, because I don't see what that would accomplish. I think people are suggesting a new forum like team or BOTD that get unlocked with a payed membership and which would have a little more leeway. People can still get breaking news on what's currently GD. View Quote |
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This fuckin place is stressing me out today.
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What do you think of a pay version of GD as well? Do both. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, because I don't see what that would accomplish. I think people are suggesting a new forum like team or BOTD that get unlocked with a payed membership and which would have a little more leeway. People can still get breaking news on what's currently GD. Do both. |
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Making GD visible to logged-in members only would effectively make it uncrawlable by Google. That’s bad because you wouldn’t be able to use Google to search the forum, but good because people who are looking for specific images Internet-wide wouldn’t find them here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, because I don't see what that would accomplish. I think people are suggesting a new forum like team or BOTD that get unlocked with a payed membership and which would have a little more leeway. People can still get breaking news on what's currently GD. |
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People are suggesting a couple of things. The one that stands out to me is making GD simply require a user to be logged into the site to read it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, because I don't see what that would accomplish. I think people are suggesting a new forum like team or BOTD that get unlocked with a payed membership and which would have a little more leeway. People can still get breaking news on what's currently GD. |
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So I posted this in staff to clarify a number of things and what I would like from leadership. It seems like there are things which are being confused and causing actions which are NOT what we need or want. In short, we are all human and in our quest to do what we think is right, we screw things up. So here we go... (This has been modified a little bit from the staff post since it's round 2 of the same thing.) AMAZON / AWS
=================== Amazon has never asked us to remove a meme. They have never asked us to remove anything actually. AWS will forward complaints to me, which I shared and showed that there is a liberal agenda to get us shut down. (Welcome to 10 years ago.) With that in mind, I asked that we more closely watch comments that are OVER THE LINE. People were posing "someone needs to rape AOC" and "we need to kill these morons" on a regular basis and THAT stuff has to go. We can't have people typing comments like that and not expect chaos. The reports our old ISP gave us were 100x more common than AWS. Right now they are not the problem in the slightest. So that misconception has got to go. The issue is not AWS, it's user stupidity and the risk it poses to the website. ADDING CLARIFICATION: Ok so dont be offended. The stupidity is in posting THREATS to folks, even if you mean it as a joke, typing "I want to kill XYZ" is not something you should post on this site. WHAT DO WE STOP???? =================== Well if you read the above, then you already know! We can't let people threaten violence/rape/death to anyone. We can't let people post hate either. And we can't let people post porn. Normal 3 big ones from day one of the CoC being written. Examples: "Fuck all commies" is fine. "Terrorists should die!" is fine. "I hope all pedos die in a fire." is fine. "If I caught a pedo, I would kill them myself." Probably fine since it's inflection and not a threat. "Someone should rape AOC!" NOT OK. "Someone needs to shove a c###in AOC's mouth to shut her up!" NOT OK. "We need to kill all these Antifa fucks." NOT OK. "We need to sodomize Schiff." NOT OK. So does the above clarify when it's ok to say something out of anger, where it's not hate or a threat? Remember this is stuff people are posting and it's very clear the message they are writing. If we have to use a little common sense, then do it. Some of this leads to interpretation and some does not. Some of this can't get the word swap test. You just can't equate "fuck all commies" to "fuck all (RACE)" because they aren't the same tone or approach. One is clear racism and the other is just anger towards a political group. "Fuck all liberals" is fine too. "Fuck all hispanics" is probably not. So if it's racism, then sure, mix up the words to test it. "fuck all whites" and "fuck all blacks" are both wrong. Racism is racism. MEMES / IMAGES =================== I started another thread to be more specific about these. We HAVE to be more lenient in images because of their very nature. This is a way folks express themselves with sarcasm, irony, and humor which may not come across right to someone who is not familiar with it. So a sarcastic image may seem to be hate filled, but it' may actually be an insult to those who cry about it all the time. Another example are the smolett memes: https://i.imgflip.com/2uawic.jpg And of course the Pinochet memes: https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aADX3Yo_700bwp.webp Just for fun, how about some AOC memes: https://i.imgflip.com/3cf47p.jpg HOW DO WE TAKE ACTION =================== Remove things which are clear rule breaks and anything else feel free to edit out to be safe or temp lock a thread with a simple comment "TEMP LOCK FOR STAFF/ADMIN REVIEW" so folks know we are looking at something. Temp locks, perm locks, forum bans, are all tools to use based on the severity of the action and our understanding of that action's damage. "I hate (RACE)" is a perma ban comment. Penis pics is a perma ban image. Random meme that's insulting or plays on a social issue should be ok, up for review, or a temp lock at worst so we can review. . . . Let's focus on what is clear cut violations and discuss the ones which are in the gray areas. We will begin to formulate what is ARFCOM staff's acceptable and unacceptable interpretations and I hope side on allowing more memes and less comments of a dark nature. If we do this together, then we are creating and applying common acceptable standards for the site. View Quote . . So this is what I shared with staff so we can try to close the loophole on everything from what and why to how and when. The goal has always been to moderate as little as possible to allow freedom in conversations. We just can't allow hate and violence to be spewed here and there and become acceptable. The biggest issue we have had is becoming numb to these things ourselves and seeing staff and mods post in a thread with a call to rape someone is horrible. That was when I asked for a renewed push to clean up the GD from this stuff and keep a very clear line for everyone. In conclusion, we DO NOT WANT TO ADD to the CoC, but simply to enforce the most critical parts of it. I will always back the staff and mods for a tough job they are doing, but I would ask they temp lock things to get clarification versus trashing or locking long term. It allows us to grow as a team and better understand what we should and should not be restricting. Understand that most of us (all of us?) are similar and we love to joke and are not offended by most comments made here. The issue is that we have to act on the worst of the posted things because it's needed. If you want to ever be upset with anyone, take it out on me. Staff and Mods act on my behalf and if I am not clear enough, then the fault lies entirely at my feet. I also ask for patience and understanding because we are human and we screw up all the time and this is not an exact science. We are working to be better admins to provide a better space for all of you, while protecting against things which would create problems for the site. 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It would remove it from google, and that would be a good thing for the site. At least it wouldn't be the instant search result for every fucked up thing that gets posted here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, because I don't see what that would accomplish. I think people are suggesting a new forum like team or BOTD that get unlocked with a payed membership and which would have a little more leeway. People can still get breaking news on what's currently GD. |
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Quoted: Absolutely agree. The problem is that if I had to guess, I would guess that 99.999% of the site's revenue comes through ad impressions in GD, which would go absolutely to shit if it were firewalled off from Google's index. Also you wouldn't be able to search anything on the site anymore, as the site's search still doesn't work for shit. View Quote |
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I'm just saying there's more leeway in the team forum because it's private. This means a little more lax on the rules, so a little more gray area stuff may be ok there. I would still avoid posting anything over the line or that you THINK may get you into trouble. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This brings up another possible point of confusion. You've said that about posting more borderline stuff in Team is the right answer, but I've seen mods disagree with that, as the operating feel of Team is that it's GD without the antics. Can you touch on this apparent disconnect, please? |
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Quoted: because its not possible to read the site without an account... no, no one ever has done that in the history of this website. nope, definitely not. View Quote |
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Your search results, like mine, are customized from Google. Arfcom never shows up when I make random google searches at work, but it always does when I'm at home. This site isn View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, because I don't see what that would accomplish. I think people are suggesting a new forum like team or BOTD that get unlocked with a payed membership and which would have a little more leeway. People can still get breaking news on what's currently GD. Posts in GD are often indexed by Google within minutes. This site is one of the largest gun sites on the internet, and it shows up in searches commensurately. |
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It would remove it from google, and that would be a good thing for the site. At least it wouldn't be the instant search result for every fucked up thing that gets posted here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, because I don't see what that would accomplish. I think people are suggesting a new forum like team or BOTD that get unlocked with a payed membership and which would have a little more leeway. People can still get breaking news on what's currently GD. |
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Quoted: Making GD visible to logged-in members only would effectively make it uncrawlable by Google. That's bad because you wouldn't be able to use Google to search the forum, but good because people who are looking for specific images Internet-wide wouldn't find them here. View Quote Yea I can see how that could be beneficial. |
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Thanks for the thread for one. What are the chances of getting some guys reinstated? |
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we should be able to say we want to kill commies . they aren't people
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Quoted: So, @lacesout or you telling me and the rest of us that you actually spent time searching for the Avilas covering for Islam by deleting posts? I'm thinking real serious about taking you to the pit. I probably would but you wouldn't show. I tell you what, I'll buy a bronze membership for the member of your choice if you can show proff of just one incident like you describe. Not a CoC violation that was removed by a mod, but an actual Avila removing a post or a thread. You can't do it. You are a liar. View Quote And of course i cant show anything, im not a mod and i dont live here, apparently like you do. I have a life, and i browse here occasionally... although moreso less lately. Do whatever you want in the pit, i honestly do not give a single shit about you or your opinion. And welcome to my ignore list while i still have it. |
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you know what pisses me off? getting a warning for saying something about islamic terrorists. that pisses me off. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: You never got a warning for that. Another lie. View Quote This is why i dont post much, people like you. Im out of this thread, you wont bait me into an account lock as much as you would like. Have a lovely evening and please dont chew your food all the way. |
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