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Church? No church here...

That's how you get the ATF and FBI to crash tanks into your shit and torch it.

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I see what your issue is...

It's something I've encountered/witnessed here in Florida amongst the 55+ HOA types.
Clutching onto the past groveling and angered by how younger generations do things differently to how things were done back in NY CT MA NJ...

After they've had their whine I respond. Look at who raised them and how they were raised. You long for a return of civility. You mourn over the good old days. Well. Thank your generational Marxists that went from protesting Nam, to being public school staff and college professors that encouraged degeneracy.
You reap what you sow.

Then they harp on Trump. In one breath BeSt PrEsiDeNt EvAr! Next breath, he's trashy crass with no class. All that money and he can't upgrade from trailer trash!
That's why we voted for him. It's that self anointed holier than thou/supercilious we're better than you authoritarian attitude liberals hold today. It's also what younger generations despise of older transplants retiring to Florida in droves. Whether they have an R or D next to their name. Nose in the air I'm better than you general schmuck types aren't really appreciated...

You're in NY. I'm from upstate NY. Being polite is what welcomed elitist supercilious pricks from NYC wholesale into my former AO and ruined it. It also is responsible for what got Cuomo elected...
Being spineless, trying the moral route, upstanding route, failed bigly. I was surrounded by these types... Don't make waves, don't rock the boat, be happy with what you're allowed to have! Fuck that. Shall not be infringed does not mean bolt actions 7-10 rounds and retard AK/ARs.

Me I like history. The downward spiral began LONG before I was born... yearning for yesterday won't get you the results you desire.
Every problem you see today be it a societal/civility issue, economic issue, political football issue... 1960s onward.
Appeasing commies, a softer gentler kinder praise be the nanny state, it all began back there...

It's partially why someone decided I had no say in whether I can walk into a local gun store and walk out with a new belt fed machine gun... I had no say in that...
It's why older guys can revel the good old days with 69 Z28s with 302s and 4 speeds, big block chevelles, and I'm left with feeble wheel drive shit boxes and automatic transmissions. And due to hip and knee replacements clutches be hard to push sonny, along with this goofy belief a small block car/truck is worth the asking price of 15k+ with a slush box 3 speed swapped and no 4 speeds to be found anywhere...

Conservatives, you older crowd, are not. You failed. Your tactics of being warm, gentle, welcoming brought ants to the picnic.
You're seeing the results of this in real time as younger generations are reading commies play book and using their tactics against them with no care for civility. While you older guys played by hearts and minds rules of engagement and lost, we said yeah fuck that time to go on the assault for once... and it's working. Kinda.

Talking like grandma is at the Thanksgiving table, uhhh... grandma is Pelosi and Fienswine... we don't want grandma at the Thanksgiving table.
Grandma thinks. Correction. Feels.

Feels we shouldn't have access to firearms that don't resemble her long deceased fudd husbands bolt action sporterized Mauser.
Grandma burned leaded high octane in a big block landau topped muscle car, and feels we should all be driving feeble wheel drive soyboi engineered shit boxes.
Grandma feels she's entitled to 200k at closing for a house that was 50-80k bought paid for with no value added to the place or property, because that's what the tax man assessed the shit hole at, needing roof and foundation work.
Grandma feels it's okay if the Childrunz born a boy identify as a girl, or are tuned on by cookware and come out as pansexuals.
Grandma feels it's okay if the granddaughter whores around teens-mid 20s spits a couple kids out, because that's something that can be photographed uploaded onto the book of faces for likes, shares, comments. Nevermind nu-wave feminism teaching it's okay because boys can do it, so can we, empowered poor life choices. And because Boomers gonna boom hilariously talk shit about her or the boyfriend playing house under their roof, but never once gave it a thought they enabled these poor life choices. Just blame those damn kids, Dodge responsibility wholesale. Or find something else to blame it on. Some outside force/influence like the MTV or interwebz. Because God forbid they wear egg on their face and own their fuck ups in the form of 20 and 30 somethings living at home...

See where I'm going with this?
If not. I'll be very blunt here.

You older fellas, gave commies/leftists credibility. You didn't fight these smarmy cunts. Just like a so called republican representative in upstate NY, you followed this belief of getting along to move along. And look what it got you.
Degeneracy.
High taxes to float lazy bums.

Machine guns? Banned.
NFA? Never challenged.
Automotive industry? Over priced over engineered cookie cutter look alike absolute Shit.
Society? Absolute Shit. Between boomers dodging responsibility as parents, boomers teaching in public schools and colleges, with indoctrination of Feeling > Thinking...
Housing market? Artificial. No way in hell half the houses on the market are worth near their asking price. But because the tax man arbitrarily says Yep. 200k. Hell no. Nope. I don't see a pool. I don't see granite and marble all the things. I don't see rich mahogany. Nor do I see insulated windows or any other improvements or upgrades made...

I see a neglected ranch/raised ranch run down Victorian in NY selling for 200k needing work, never been updated, and a property tax bill of 5k... fuck that. But you older folks love that shit for you can sell a neglected dump for 150-200k as a "starter home" and retire to Florida or other low tax burden states and live like kings... hence why I am a firm believer in making your property seem like an eye sore. The tax man is retarded. You do the right thing and make your place pleasant in appearance and maintain it. You're rewarded with a made up number to justify paying higher taxes. I work. I like money. I like keeping my money. Fuck giving it to the tax man because he says the place is worth $xxx,xxx when to me it's just a place to rest my head, wash my ass, and store cool shit I don't want stolen.

But boomers love them some ridiculous property values and taxes. That's their escape money. Their bingo in a Florida 55+ HOA money.
Thus you have Bernie supporters embracing socialism and communism wholesale. Don't do that. There's no reason the houses in my former AO are going for 200k and up. None what soever. But they are. For run down neglected dumps most here wouldn't let a dog live in. But. Because arbitrary property assessments you have 200k shit holes. The real reason? To keep those that work, out, and keep the influx of cityiot liberals going in.

What in the hell did you expect to get with all that fail? Mayberry? A place where you don't have to lock your doors at night?
Perhaps if you didn't enable and welcome ants to the picnic and lend credibility to commies... maybe.
And you long for these good old days. They're dead Jim. They're not coming back.
Yes be nice to them. Let them be heard. It'll be great. Wonderful. We can exchange ideas and agree to disagree...
WRONG
They take everything over. Every single time you've appeased these shit bags. They are like a cancer, they attach to a viable thriving healthy host. Take from it anything of value and good standing, and destroy it. Locusts. Cancerous locusts. I got so fed up with this kinder gentler agree to disagree cuckservative outlook I left NY to go to Florida to warn the Florida bros what's coming, how they get it, and how to beat them. I won't spend another minute, another dime in that shit hole. I meant it. Hell would freeze over before I ever go back.

I had a nice thing. Many nice things actually. Until the cityiot liberals came. And the rino/cuckservatives in the area bent over backwards to appease them. Now my former AO is a somewhat urbanized shit hole full of authoritarian retards that banned hunting vote for Cuomo and love them their high property assesments. Even managed to get rid of the town PD after new ordinances carrying the weight of law designed to punish us "hicks" "townies" were equally enforced onto their shit head kids with subwoofers rattling windows and duck fart mufflers on Hondas. It's okay when they made noise. God forbid Bubba puts headers and glasspacks on an old K10... or runs a Harley with drag pipes... okay when they come up with their crotch rockets and civics to do the same. Between equal enforcement of said ordinances, and supporting depositions of a radar/laser detection devices on a windshield... it was put on a ballot to end funding the town PD. And because they out numbered us "hicks" "townies" they got it. No more PD.

That one was quite poetic actually. Because police response times went from 5-10 minutes to half an hour to an hour due to county sheriffs and state troopers... when heroin flooded the place, junkies raided the cityiots mcmansions ripping walls and floors to get to copper pipes. That ADT sign was just as good as advertising free bars of gold inside!

I watched my former AO turn to shit. All because of the simple minded cuckservatives looking for civility, agree to disagree, inviting ants to the picnic and wondering why problems galore exist, and the only proposed solutions, are problematic ones. Like banning hunting... both by ordinances and re-zoning efforts. Those 2 initatives + developing rural areas caused deer collisions and farmers/orchards crops being decimated. But that's okay...
It only became a problem when those lush landscaped mcmansions and some cityiot cunts about their 15k dollar red maple getting eaten plus what shrubs and garden they had growing. Then it's a problem. Get ENCON and DEC to go to Vermont to capture mountain lions and release them locally. In an area home to cattle, horses, alpacas etc live stock. What possibly could go fucking wrong there...

Nope. Fuck NY. I don't have NY values. I don't sympathize one bit for the shit ya'll are putting up with. Complacency kills. It really paid to hide behind Muh jobz and familyz and Muh photo being taken if I show up to protest the safeact in Albany. It really paid off inviting these shit birds into upstate. All for the almighty quick buck to be made by selling a couple hundred acres to some cityiot developer.

Thank yourselves for welcoming and not fighting liberals/cultural Marxists who reinforced degeneracy, and for lending them credibility.
Thus you see no civility. No quarter for leftist shit birds. You want the good old days? Best embrace the fuck yous, the fuck commies, and other unfavorable language that's posted here. Or don't and put everyone on ignore and have yourself a small echo chamber of fellow minded boomers yearning for yesrteryear because Muh civility.

Us youngins have no use for civility and what's "proper" as according to you. It's why we can't have nice things anymore. It's why liberals infected everything and ruined everything. Doubt it? Take a stroll sometime through every dem ran city and town in NY. Try Amsterdam. Try Poughkeepsie. Beautiful old Victorian houses as far as the eye can see run down and left to be condemned. Local .gov doing their best to chase small businesses that employ out of that area to get welfare and dope to proliferate. And with it, single mothers out the ass with tax payer funded state and federal aid to keep feeding them and their poor life choices, and if you speak against that you're racist you're whatever flavor of phobosisticismist they can label you with.

Good.

Be their boogeyman. Wear their feeble insults like a fucking badge of honor. It fucks with them to no end when they can not influence you or sway your beliefs with character smears.
This is how you win. That and not being polite and civil or what's the phrase... Politically correct. Demoralize them. Take the wind out of their sails. Throw their failures back in their face. Make them regret ever spawning degeneracy. Don't be afraid to get in the mud to wrestle pigs. Mud washes off.
Use their tactics against them. Maybe. Just maybe... after they've been exposed for the degenerate shit bags that they are... maybe Mayberry can exist.

Until then. Kiss that memory of what was goodbye.
We have a country to help make great again. And it doesn't happen by being nice to shit birds that want to hamstring this once great nation.
Remember, our motto used to be land of the free, home of the brave. Yeah that died a LONG time ago.

We're currently land of the lemming home of the over regulated.
And it all happened by enabling shit birds and being welcoming and nice believing Muh morals Muh civility and other general cuckservative approaches would work. It didnt. Now we're left with the pieces to and scraps that remain. If it requires us to be uncouth heathens ready willing and able to yeet commies from helicopters... so be it.

Just because you older guys didn't have the spine to put your foot down and tell them to go fuck themselves doesn't mean we do.
Just because you hid behind your jobs and families to avoid confronting these narcissistic smarmy holier than thou pricks in town hall, doesn't mean we will.
Just because you were called a racist or whatever flavor of phobosisticismist by some shit bag liberal and backed down in fear of what happens next, doesn't mean we will.

The future is now old man. It's ugly. It's unfortunate. You got it by caving, capitulating, appeasing these rat bastards. Time to fight by their rules, their tactics and push them back to being irrelevant and mere nuisances.

I'm not mad. Not in the least bit. I just fight fire with fire. I don't want any more degeneracy. We've about reached peak degeneracy as is. I'm merely pointing out where you older guys failed. And using my former AO as an example.

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I don’t think you understand the internet as well as you think you do. You merely adopted the internet, I was born in it.

The internet is not a single space. It is highly compartmentalized. And this little compartment of the internet is our space, and can be shaped as the owner deems fit. However, in order to attract a population, a space must offer something novel and engaging.

The fact this site allowed men to talk as men made it very novel, and I would argue that novelty has been the primary driver for its success (when combined with management that has avoided killing the goose laying golden eggs, which is rare for a forum).

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Must have gotten better somewhere around chapter 16 where I tuned out because what I read up to that point was mostly self-indulgent tripe.

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didn't Brownells buy ArfCom for freedoms of speech and to deter oppression from those outside the gun community?

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You could make the compartmentalized argument if it was an entirely private site with completely restricted access. It's a public site in the sense that anyone can read anything anywhere in the forum that doesn't require member, staff or career verification. And I think that the overriding issue being discussed here is that a certain portion of the discourse in the public areas of the site leaves a lot to be desired.

Maybe some of you were raised a lot differently than I was and call politeness a false front. That's too bad, and in my opinion reflects poorly on the person making the claim. I used the church example in my follow up post for a reason. I think that the born agains on the site can guess what it is. There's enough here who claim that status, but without doing a nose count they're interestingly silent in this particular discussion

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Pointing out failures of welcoming ants to the picnic and lending credibility to said ants, is self indulgent tripe? Okie dokie.

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It’s the false equivalence of saying that ants are welcome because someone chooses to tell them to go away instead of telling them to fuck off.

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Low energy bro.

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Poor assumption. I have no issue telling someone to go fuck themselves a dozen different ways without the use of expletives and have them thank me for it afterwards. It’s a lost art called tact.  I am also perfectly capable of making a point using the vast thesaurus issued by the Marine Corps.

Some folks are saying to use the right tool for the right job. Some others think everything looks like a nail.

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Poor assumption. I have no issue telling someone to go fuck themselves a dozen different ways without the use of expletives and have them thank me for it afterwards. It’s a lost art called tact.  I am also perfectly capable of making a point using the vast thesaurus issued by the Marine Corps.

Some folks are saying to use the right tool for the right job. Some others think everything looks like a nail.

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I would love to see a members only sub forum where we could talk as men.

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Call it "spicy GD?"