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Link Posted: 2/3/2024 2:46:06 PM EDT
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I don't see Biden losing right now with the current economy.  The stock market is completely on fire lately, good job numbers, low gas prices, and our country is producing more oil than ever before.  Biden's foreign policy has been a disaster, but voters care about the home front.  They're also brining in enough migrants to turn texas blue eventually and then we'll never see another R president.  Elon Musk is actually dead on, we're being replaced by people who won't mind living in a socialist country.
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Everything is ridiculously expensive. The cost of labor is through the roof.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 2:47:18 PM EDT
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Sigh..   we'd already have a right wing permanent majority of the GOP would drop first trimester abortion bans from the platform and treat weed like alcohol legally.
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We would.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 2:47:29 PM EDT
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Did welfare disappear while he was in office? Did the jobs minorities got suddenly disappear when Biden was elected? You think minorities are too stupid to connect all that emergency spending with the inflation that followed it?

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Did welfare disappear when Trump was in office?

No welfare did not disappear, let's not be foolish, but how many good paying jobs were created? What were black unemployment numbers?

Did they disappear when Biden was elected?

No, they disappeared when covid hit. However, Biden has done nothing to bring them back, and in fact has been a road block.

"You think minorities are too stupid to connect all that emergency spending with the inflation that followed it?"

Yes, but not just minorities. I would say over 50 percent of Americans in general. Many folks these days can't even balance a checkbook. Expecting them to understand links between government spending and inflation is like asking them to perform the Twelve Labours of Hercules.

Link Posted: 2/3/2024 2:50:12 PM EDT
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The GOP had a chance to nominate a real conservative this election cycle. Proven, successful, conservative leadership, with a resume of accomplishments.

Instead, he got laughed at for his boots.

I'll believe in a conservative resurgence when I see it. Because from where I sit, even the GOP isn't even interested in actual conservative governance.
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DeSantis wasn't popular man, and you can't blame das boots meme (Which I thought was disgusting anyway). I doubt most of the voters in Iowa and NH even saw it. Despite disliking his sorority sister fanclub, I have little issue with him and was genuinely hoping to see a better, longer fight, which is something I'll also extend to ramaswamy. Ultimately both of them failed to entice voters though, and I can't help that, nor can you. They ran bad campaigns.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 2:50:18 PM EDT
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Nope, no resurgence happening because there is no place for them in the GOP or the DNC.
Conservatives, libertarians and constitutionalists get to look in through the window.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 2:51:49 PM EDT
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I have no idea what you think “right wing” means but I’m happy to learn.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 2:54:32 PM EDT
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DeSantis wasn't popular man, and you can't blame das boots meme (Which I thought was disgusting anyway). I doubt most of the voters in Iowa and NH even saw it. Despite disliking his sorority sister fanclub, I have little issue with him and was genuinely hoping to see a better, longer fight, which is something I'll also extend to ramaswamy. Ultimately both of them failed to entice voters though, and I can't help that, nor can you. They ran bad campaigns.
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Yeah I don’t disagree.

My point is that he was the most conservative candidate running, with the resume of conservative accomplishment to back it up. And he was soundly rejected by GOP voters, for whatever reason.

There are countless reasons why general election voters may reject Biden in November, we’ll see what happens in the fall. Maybe that counts as a “conservative resurgence” to some, I dunno.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 2:55:52 PM EDT
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DeSantis wasn't popular man, and you can't blame das boots meme (Which I thought was disgusting anyway). I doubt most of the voters in Iowa and NH even saw it. Despite disliking his sorority sister fanclub, I have little issue with him and was genuinely hoping to see a better, longer fight, which is something I'll also extend to ramaswamy. Ultimately both of them failed to entice voters though, and I can't help that, nor can you. They ran bad campaigns.
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This. I'm not a Trump fanboy by any means and dislike his childish tactics. However, its impossible to deny we were all better off financially when he was in office and the alternatives to Trump all ran shitty campaigns.

Whoever ran DeSantis' campaign was either there to sabotage it or is just really fucking bad at their job and should not be allowed back in the political arena.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 2:57:50 PM EDT
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This. I'm not a Trump fanboy by any means and dislike his childish tactics. However, its impossible to deny we were all better off financially when he was in office and the alternatives to Trump all ran shitty campaigns.

Whoever ran DeSantis' campaign was either there to sabotage it or is just really fucking bad at their job and should not be allowed back in the political arena.
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DeSantis wasn't popular man, and you can't blame das boots meme (Which I thought was disgusting anyway). I doubt most of the voters in Iowa and NH even saw it. Despite disliking his sorority sister fanclub, I have little issue with him and was genuinely hoping to see a better, longer fight, which is something I'll also extend to ramaswamy. Ultimately both of them failed to entice voters though, and I can't help that, nor can you. They ran bad campaigns.
This. I'm not a Trump fanboy by any means and dislike his childish tactics. However, its impossible to deny we were all better off financially when he was in office and the alternatives to Trump all ran shitty campaigns.

Whoever ran DeSantis' campaign was either there to sabotage it or is just really fucking bad at their job and should not be allowed back in the political arena.


To be fair, Trump has already run a successful AND arguably unsuccessful campaign. The rest of the field was behind the curve
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:02:20 PM EDT
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To be fair, Trump has already run a successful AND arguably unsuccessful campaign. The rest of the field was behind the curve
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I would agree, however DeSantis trying to ignore Trump in the beginning did him no favors and Trump pummeled him into looking like a weak little bitch. By the time he decided to fight back, everyone already perceived him as a little bitch. A decent campaign manager should have known this after observing the 2016 primaries.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:03:42 PM EDT
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I would agree, however DeSantis trying to ignore Trump in the beginning did him no favors and Trump pummeled him into looking like a weak little bitch. By the time he decided to fight back, everyone already perceived him as a little bitch. A decent campaign manager should have known this after observing the 2016 primaries.
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You don’t become a real estate tycoon by being meek.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:05:52 PM EDT
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I would agree, however DeSantis trying to ignore Trump in the beginning did him no favors and Trump pummeled him into looking like a weak little bitch. By the time he decided to fight back, everyone already perceived him as a little bitch. A decent campaign manager should have known this after observing the 2016 primaries.
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Exactly correct. He looked weak remaining silent, and, just as bad, wishy-washy from his coy “oh I’m not running” schtick. He showed no leadership qualities at all.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:06:08 PM EDT
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The demographics say it won't happen. Whether you like it or not voters under 50 lean socialist.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:07:11 PM EDT
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You don't become a real estate tycoon by being meek.
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I would agree, however DeSantis trying to ignore Trump in the beginning did him no favors and Trump pummeled him into looking like a weak little bitch. By the time he decided to fight back, everyone already perceived him as a little bitch. A decent campaign manager should have known this after observing the 2016 primaries.


You don't become a real estate tycoon by being meek.
And you don't become president being someone's bitch.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:07:41 PM EDT
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Some are wakening and fleeing the plantation.  They understand that they've been played.  'Ye and Snoop Dog are among the more prominent.
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Black voters aren't switching sides lmao

Some are wakening and fleeing the plantation.  They understand that they've been played.  'Ye and Snoop Dog are among the more prominent.

I have seen this myself in real life.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:09:13 PM EDT
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Everything is ridiculously expensive. The cost of labor is through the roof.
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Yeah, but STOCK MARKET GO BRRR is all the ignorant people see.  Nevermind the fact that it's all inflation and govt spending.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:09:46 PM EDT
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And you don't become president being someone's bitch.
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I would agree, however DeSantis trying to ignore Trump in the beginning did him no favors and Trump pummeled him into looking like a weak little bitch. By the time he decided to fight back, everyone already perceived him as a little bitch. A decent campaign manager should have known this after observing the 2016 primaries.


You don't become a real estate tycoon by being meek.
And you don't become president being someone's bitch.


Also true!
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:10:26 PM EDT
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And check your phone.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:12:11 PM EDT
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Exactly correct. He looked weak remaining silent, and, just as bad, wishy-washy from his coy “oh I’m not running” schtick. He showed no leadership qualities at all.
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The reality is that Donald Trump is going to remain King of the Republican Party as long as he chooses to, or remains alive.

The 2018, 2020, and 2022 elections were all marked by Republican underperformance, but maybe Joe Biden is just so bad 2024 will be different.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:14:05 PM EDT
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The reality is that Donald Trump is going to remain King of the Republican Party as long as he chooses to, or remains alive.

The 2018, 2020, and 2022 elections were all marked by Republican underperformance, but maybe Joe Biden is just so bad 2024 will be different.
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Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:14:50 PM EDT
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Is this a thread where people act like the monetary policy of Trump was somehow markedly different than Biden’s and that both contributed to the inflationary cycle we just went through?
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:17:33 PM EDT
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You don’t become a real estate tycoon by being meek.
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You inherit it from Daddy.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:19:28 PM EDT
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You inherit it from Daddy.
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You don’t become a real estate tycoon by being meek.



You inherit it from Daddy.


Jealous much? That’s how generational wealth works. He’s still rich and has more money than probably all of us combined.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:23:14 PM EDT
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What have "Conservatives" actually "conserved"?
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Stop conflating Conservatives with Republicans. Conservatives can't "conserve" anything because they are a very small political demographic.

Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:25:25 PM EDT
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I have no idea what you think "right wing" means but I'm happy to learn.
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Less taxes and regulation, less government programs and increased spending, less gun laws and free speech infringement.

In short less of pretty much everything democrats vote for.  We'd still have a lot of bullshit wars but we could work on that over time with less of a constant threat of economic destruction and social oppression.  The Republicans aren't perfect but they'd win most elections if the bible thumping social right had less control of the party platform
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:30:44 PM EDT
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The GOP had a chance to nominate a real conservative this election cycle. Proven, successful, conservative leadership, with a resume of accomplishments.

Instead, he got laughed at for his boots.

I’ll believe in a conservative resurgence when I see it. Because from where I sit, even the GOP isn’t even interested in actual conservative governance.
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As well he should have been laughed at for those ridiculous boots.

Cry some more.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:35:33 PM EDT
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Like him or hate him that arrogant SOB made life better. People will bitch and moan because he wasn’t perfect, and he wasn’t but he was decent and actually gave a single fuck about his country and countrymen. More than could be said about many of the previous presidents in the last 30 years.
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I bet you just love those Red Flag laws. I don't disagree with your point. What is pathetic is how many Americans can not bring themselves to choose more wisely. Neither of the two geriatric retards should be acceptable.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:41:06 PM EDT
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I bet you just love those Red Flag laws. I don't disagree with your point. What is pathetic is how many Americans can not bring themselves to choose more wisely. Neither of the two geriatric retards should be acceptable.
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Like him or hate him that arrogant SOB made life better. People will bitch and moan because he wasn’t perfect, and he wasn’t but he was decent and actually gave a single fuck about his country and countrymen. More than could be said about many of the previous presidents in the last 30 years.


I bet you just love those Red Flag laws. I don't disagree with your point. What is pathetic is how many Americans can not bring themselves to choose more wisely. Neither of the two geriatric retards should be acceptable.


Ya got me
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:43:47 PM EDT
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In before the bigger and better democrat voter fraud
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:43:50 PM EDT
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Less taxes and regulation, less government programs and increased spending, less gun laws and free speech infringement.

In short less of pretty much everything democrats vote for.  We'd still have a lot of bullshit wars but we could work on that over time with less of a constant threat of economic destruction and social oppression.  The Republicans aren't perfect but they'd win most elections if the bible thumping social right had less control of the party platform
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They're still the backbone of the party, which is something I believe the libertarian right fails to take into account when they start with the "If we just allowed abortion we'd win forever!" dialogue. You might pick up some votes doing so (personally, I think less than you expect), but in the process you're also giving the middle finger to a lot of the religious right in the south and flyover states, and you're taking for granted that they'll accept that willingly. I believe the issue is important enough to enough people, that we would see a potential break away of the religious to their own party, and then neither faction would win a federal election again, because you'll have lost more votes than you gained.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:51:46 PM EDT
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When the animals in NYC turn the city red, you let me know… the red wave was a joke, and all the welfare queens will vote for free shit every time.
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I agree with OP.

The pendulum swings both ways.

It’s happening around the world, not just the U.S.
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It's getting there.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 4:01:53 PM EDT
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Jealous much? That’s how generational wealth works. He’s still rich and has more money than probably all of us combined.
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Not particularly, but I’m not in the group lauding his business accomplishments and acumen.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 4:02:32 PM EDT
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As well he should have been laughed at for those ridiculous boots.

Cry some more.
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Imagine celebrating the downfall of the most successful conservative politician we’ve had in a generation.

Link Posted: 2/3/2024 4:14:52 PM EDT
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The reality is that Donald Trump is going to remain King of the Republican Party as long as he chooses to, or remains alive.

The 2018, 2020, and 2022 elections were all marked by Republican underperformance, but maybe Joe Biden is just so bad 2024 will be different.
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I agree completely, which is why DeSantis either should have stayed out of it (the smart choice) or come out fists flying. If Trump is going to hit you either way, may as well punch back. It’s the only thing that might sway voters to your side, by showing strength.

And honestly, that’s become the key: strength. Project it or forget it. Can you think of a single solidly right-leaning world leader who’s either stayed in power or been elected in the last ten years who isn’t either a bombastic Trump type or a steely Eastern European strongman type? Bolsonaro, Milei, Meloni (who ended up showing her true colors after the election), Orban…no quietly solid candidate will get anywhere anymore. In part, I think that’s because you have to be the type that shoves back hard to overcome the huge hurdle of the negative leftist press (see Polievre). You can’t make a quiet case when mass media won’t let you.

But I also think that the right is done with weakness, because it’s “conservative” weakness that got us here.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 6:05:38 PM EDT
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The elite control the ballots and ballot counting, they own the media, they control the schools and indoctrinate kids, they control the majority of big tech and social media, they control the majority of the judicial system, they flood the country with illegals to pump up their census numbers and to eventually turn them into new voters, they control big pharma and the healthcare industry, they control the supply chain, they control energy and control other industries through regulatory and environmental mandates, and they are taking over food production. They run up the debt to inflate currencies to impoverish and destroy the middle and working class. They want the masses in cities without personal transportation totally dependent on government to meet their needs.

Since we the people no longer control the soap box, the ballot box, or the jury box - that only leaves one box to create a conservative resurgence and I don't see that happening in what remains of my lifetime. The America I knew is dead and gone and it won't be coming back. Freedom and individual liberty only exist now for those willing to live outside the law.
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That's when the republicans trot out abortion as a political issue and fuck us.  

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No, the Democrat trot it out. They control the narrative. Republicans don't have big media on their side. Plus most Republicans are rinos
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 6:44:07 PM EDT
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They're still the backbone of the party, which is something I believe the libertarian right fails to take into account when they start with the "If we just allowed abortion we'd win forever!" dialogue. You might pick up some votes doing so (personally, I think less than you expect), but in the process you're also giving the middle finger to a lot of the religious right in the south and flyover states, and you're taking for granted that they'll accept that willingly. I believe the issue is important enough to enough people, that we would see a potential break away of the religious to their own party, and then neither faction would win a federal election again, because you'll have lost more votes than you gained.
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They are a dying breed.  Like it or not .  The population is becoming far more socially libertarian.  You can can either embrace it with a populist platform of freedom and prosperity or lose to communists who embrace short term social freedom to win votes and eventually enslave you with full control of every economic factor that exists .  Simple choice to me.
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No.

No, it's not OP.
Link Posted: 2/3/2024 7:57:29 PM EDT
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Some are, believe it or not. Not in huge numbers but some are.

You have to remember that under Trump minority unemployment dropped only to increase under Biden.
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That's when the republicans trot out abortion as a political issue and fuck us.  

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I have said this for YEARS.

As soon as that issue comes up we lose.

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
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I have said this for YEARS.

As soon as that issue comes up we lose.

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And it’s a hill some still demand to try and die on.
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Republican voters aren’t even ready for a conservative resurgence.
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What is even meant by conservative in this context? they want to conserve their far left, progressive, nonsensical and destructive views without feeling the consequences? without inflation, without economic downturn, without layoffs, without bums shitting in their yards and without competition from illegals?
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I have said this for YEARS.

As soon as that issue comes up we lose.

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
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If they don't, then the democrats will.  Take abortion out of the debate and the chances are way better for conservatives.



I have said this for YEARS.

As soon as that issue comes up we lose.

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Replace "abortion" with "gun rights."

If you don't react the exact same way to the content, something's wrong in your thinking and you need to sort it out.

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Replace "abortion" with "gun rights."

If you don't react the exact same way to the content, something's wrong in your thinking and you need to sort it out.

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Replace "abortion" with "gun rights."

If you don't react the exact same way to the content, something's wrong in your thinking and you need to sort it out.

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Gun owners supporting abortion bans, and believing they are “conservative” on both issues boggles the mind.
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Define conservative? Please do not say Reagan because that type of so called conservatism is a joke and leads us down the same path.
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‘Greatest Generation’ Survey on Race, Sex and Combat During World War II Runs Counter to Its Wholesome Image

This is a perfect example of how Conservatism is a joke.  The average white American in August 1945 was basically a white supremacist.  Now, "Conservatives" (who are overwhelmingly white) are just as committed to a color-blind society as progressives.  Conservatives have no core beliefs, they are always shifting based on the movement of progressives.

There will be no "conservative resurgence" until a truly non-liberal (in the classical sense) movement emerges.  When it does, it will be opposed by progressives and conservatives alike.

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You missed the point. Polls are showing a drastic shift in ideology among lack and latino voters. Many got to experience success for the first time to have it ripped away.


‘Greatest Generation’ Survey on Race, Sex and Combat During World War II Runs Counter to Its Wholesome Image

This is a perfect example of how Conservatism is a joke.  The average white American in August 1945 was basically a white supremacist.  Now, "Conservatives" (who are overwhelmingly white) are just as committed to a color-blind society as progressives.  Conservatives have no core beliefs, they are always shifting based on the movement of progressives.

There will be no "conservative resurgence" until a truly non-liberal (in the classical sense) movement emerges.  When it does, it will be opposed by progressives and conservatives alike.



True, classical liberals are incapable of conserving anything. The ones who stay true to their dogma remain liberals. The ones who riff on it or plow ahead are progressives. America's never had an authentic right-wing to balance the left.
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