Like we did in Korea and Vietnam and Afghanistan and..

The levels of delusion is off the charts around here.

I like this notion, but it gets harder when the business' involved don't care and buy crap from the modern far east asia co-prosperity sphere!!

But we're not going to let countries like Vietnam and the PI tell us if we have forward bases there, to have to check out with them first whether we take action against anyone or not. I wouldn't do it either. Let them continue crying or STFU and let us do our job.

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They have to come out of them sometime......

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All yll keep alluding to nuke or naval blockades or conventional warfare...but if you think Covid-19 is their only contagion your missing the boat.

Hell...given China's obfuscation of Covid-19 and it's ongoing effects...they have either 'warned' us - or they have already initiated hostilities.

We were going to lose to Iraq during the 1st Gulf War too.

Doubt anyone can talk about details but .mil that do air defense I've talked to seem pretty confident in THAAD.

Scenario where we would have to put that to the test get froggy fast.

May hug their coast and peek out like a turtle head and just launch at Guam and Hawaii all day long https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-navy-could-have-76-submarines-2030-report-149431 Attached File
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Reading that article and considering the distance between Taiwan and China is about 100 miles, it seems like anything floating near Taiwan would be in range of everything they have.  They wouldn't even need the DF-26 to hit us if we tried to intervene in Taiwan.

Limiting my reply to open source former Pentagon officials, I’ve heard 51/49 circa 2017 info. Their were some exercises in Alaska to improve that about a year or two ago so maybe 60/40? China’s plan is sheer numbers and overwhelm us with quantity of missiles

My impression is they believe they have wins in Korean Peninsula, Taiwan and South China Sea. In their minds they think it’s a guaranteed lock

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So use the USMC as a guerrilla force to wreak havoc in Chinese controlled territory?  Sounds like a logistical nightmare to keep units like that supplied for any length of time.

China's Achilles heel is the fact that they would have to support a war machine and domestic supply lines for its people at the same time. Huge resources from allied countries. Those allies would also have to have the ability to fight off US influence.

I think China has done a good job with propaganda making some believe that it is this mighty dragon that cannot be beaten because of its size... but what seems like a tiny weakness on a giant, is a foothold to slay a giant.

Its 1.3 billions people is its weakness and the requirement to feed them, heat them, cool them, becomes an issue in of itself.

I believe China would inflict so much damage on itself economically that it would not be able to sustain losses over - OVER A SHORT PERIOD!

China has an iron will in regards to controlling its people but the second you try to do that globally, it fails!

We can see how people inside the US in many institutions- media, education, tech, might be swayed with money... most of the US would not be.

sorry... my money is on the US

All true.

This. Our subs pick off their subs. Then, our subs pick off their fleet.

Let them try to invade Taiwan with RORO’s.

TC

Step one: Turn entire Chinese Surface Fleet into a Submarine Fleet at 0300 local time on a given day.

Step two: Turn entire Chinese Submarine Fleet into artificial reef's at 0300 local time on a given day.

Adjust the times above to include realistic timing.

Implement Navel Blockade

Implement Aerial Blockade

Put sneaky Pete out there and start zapping some tax collectors.
It might take some clandestine blood money to gear this puppy up.

I’m relatively new here. You do know that global times is a state run Chinese propaganda arm, right? Like straight up axis-sally propaganda. This is like me linking to my own tweet calling my penis big. thats like, your opinion man

You have no idea what kind of suffering and losses they’d be willing to impose on their own people simply to hold onto their own power, much less fight a war against outsiders.

They’ll let a billion starve before letting go.

I wonder if "prized arms projects" is their pet name for padding pockets versus actually replacing or maintaining equipment.

Definitely don't want to get into another Cold War era spend off with China instead of bringing production home to undermine them.

the sneaky ones off their coast can beat those times.

I figure it’s been so long, it’s baked into the cake and you won’t get one without the other. Joes down at E-4 and below will eat shit sandwiches while someone else is living la vida loca. At best you minimize the egregious over the top crap if you’re lucky

Suck my dick Pooh Bear

Some South Koreans actually edited a Wikipedia penis size entry back in the 90s as well as average male height

Who is behind this Global Times commie propaganda news and why is Op a member of their readership? Sounds like a bunch of Fake News BS just like CNN, MSNBC, and NPR.   Op really needs to re-evaluate where he gets his misinformation. Tomorrow he'll be quoting Russia Today, Al-Jazeera, Izvestia, and Info Wars.  

I figure 8-10 minutes in some areas.
Maybe less.

You would have to maybe even back off for breathing room in some cases.

How is victory defined? There's no way we can sustain a long ground war with China on their doorstep.

My bigger question is do they believe their own bullshit {match against other sources in China} or is it simple posturing? Chinese pride can be one hell of a drug

LMMFAO! There's no way in hell that those little commie faggots could even stand a chance. Stupid fucking idiots.

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Plenty of people in this thread that believe it, let alone what they over there do.

I appreciate being aware of what a wanna be world power is doing to shape the narrative.

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The Pentagon has been having a war of words with China lately, so I’m merely piggybacking off the White House to be honest but even if that wasn’t the case I still want to know what’s up given the Pentagon’s switch from war on terrorism to prepping for great power war after Obama’s half hearted Pacific pivot policy   Attached File
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I took two semesters of East Asian history in college.  The CPC's rise to power has several points where millions of Chinese people were allowed to starve for political objectives.  I don't doubt that they would let millions die again.

Yep.  I don't believe it's translation thing either.  They're just bad at it.

You can say it, we all know.  Democrats.  Useful idiots.  Enemies of the Republic.  But I repeat myself.

They are right.

Whether we have the weapons and the ability or not, the politicians will fuck it up and turn certain victory into defeat.

We don’t win wars anymore, we quit because we get tired.

Hell, how many people did Mao murder to that same end? 65 million? Makes him the most prolific mass murder in history.

Life has no value to communists. It seems that even in the US, after 60 years of (communist) social engineering...life is losing its value here too.

I can see that working for a while.  I don't believe the average rural Chinese person has a great love for the urban parts of their country.  Kill off CPC political and police power in the rural areas, spread around some money, and foment rebellion.  Sounds like it could at least give the urban centers heartburn.

This!
The loss to the US in lives, military and economic power would be terrible.
Eventually, we could win, but the cost would be horrific.

I always avoid made in China when I can as well.
Especially when it comes to tools.

America's Current War Plans for China, Russia Will Not Work, New Report Says

How the U.S. Could Lose a War With China

How the U.S. Could Lose a War With China
It’s not that the Chinese Communist Party would take over Washington. But in its own region, China has the advantage.

f a war broke out between the United States and China, the clash between two of the world’s most powerful militaries would be horrific. And the United States could very well lose.

That’s a concern among current and former defense officials and military analysts, one of whom told Breaking Defense earlier this year that in war games simulating great-power conflict in which the United States fights Russia and China, the United States “gets its ass handed to it.”

US ‘Gets Its Ass Handed To It’ In Wargames: Here’s A $24 Billion Fix

“In our games, when we fight Russia and China,” RAND analyst David Ochmanek said this afternoon, “blue gets its ass handed to it.” In other words, in RAND’s wargames, which are often sponsored by the Pentagon, the US forces — colored blue on wargame maps — suffer heavy losses in one scenario after another and still can’t stop Russia or China — red — from achieving their objectives, like overrunning US allies.

No, it’s not a Red Dawn nightmare scenario where the Commies conquer Colorado. But losing the Baltics or Taiwan would shatter American alliances, shock the global economy, and topple the world order the US has led since World War II.

Body Blows & Head Hits

How could this happen, when we spend over $700 billion a year on everything from thousand-foot-long nuclear-powered aircraft carriers to supersonic stealth fighters? Well, it turns out US superweapons have a little too much Achilles in their heels.
“In every case I know of,” said Robert Work, a former deputy secretary of defense with decades of wargaming experience, “the F-35 rules the sky when it’s in the sky, but it gets killed on the ground in large numbers.”

Even the hottest jet has to land somewhere. But big airbases on land and big aircraft carriers on the water turn out to be big targets for long-range precision-guided missiles. Once an American monopoly, such smart weapons are now a rapidly growing part of Russian and Chinese arsenals — as are the long-range sensors, communications networks, and command systems required to aim them.

So, as potential adversaries improve their technology, “things that rely on sophisticated base infrastructure like runways and fuel tanks are going to have a hard time,” Ochmanek said. “Things that sail on the surface of the sea are going to have a hard time.”

(That’s why the 2020 budget coming out next week retires the carrier USS Truman decades early and cuts two amphibious landing ships, as we’ve reported. It’s also why the Marine Corps is buying the jump-jet version of the F-35, which can take off and land from tiny, ad hoc airstrips, but how well they can maintain a high-tech aircraft in low-tech surroundings is an open question).

Worst of all, Work and Ochmanek said, the US doesn’t just take body blows, it takes a hard hit to the head as well. Its communications satellites, wireless networks, and other command-and-control systems suffer such heavy hacking and jamming that they are, in Ochmanek’s words, “suppressed, if not shattered.”

The US has wargamed cyber and electronic warfare in field exercises, Work said, but the simulated enemy forces tend to shut down US networks so effectively that nothing works and nobody else gets any training done. “Whenever we have an exercise and the red force really destroys our command and control, we stop the exercise,” Work said, instead of trying to figure out how to keep fighting when your command post gives you nothing but blank screens and radio static.

The Chinese call this “system destruction warfare,” Work said: They plan to “attack the American battle network at all levels, relentlessly, and they practice it all the time.”

Assuming conventional only war, it would be over in weeks, and then the blockade would be established and those f--kers would run out of fuel and starve. Starving might take some time. A lot of long pig there.

Why a multi front war?

They can't bring it here or anywhere.

Sink their coastal defense force they call the People's Army Navy, set up a blockade of the very limited approaches to China and starve them of fuel and food.

It depends on our goals. If we just wanted to remove their capability to hurt us and take them off of the world stage we could do that easily.
Occupy/pacify them? I doubt it. But they could do it to us either.

Drop the dam and wreck their main railyards. Blockade their ports. They would starve within weeks.

The bio-weapon attacks will keep coming, if the chinese know there are no consequences. War is coming. Do it now or do it later. The die has been cast.

Our Vietnamese/Taiwanese allies will fill that gap.
We could probably scrape a few hundred thousand Koreans together as well.

I wonder what a regiment of Saudi ground troops would cost? Put them in the more fractious areas and give them free rein.