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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I don't think we'd occupy China. I think we'd just pwn their military and go home. Maybe glowies fund an uprising. F35 and F22s wrecking house would be awesome. Shock and Awe 2: Communist Boogaloo View Quote We need to remember that the enemy isn't China, it's the CCP. Weaken them enough and China and her neighbors will take care of the rest, maybe Chiang will finally get the last laugh, wherever he is. . |
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Originally Posted By mrcatbert: 10-20? LOL. You might want to rethink that. The Chinese have at least 300 nuclear warheads in the megaton range. Even if they assigned 3 or more per target at our largest cities just to make sure at least one got through, wed be looking at 10 times that. People don’t think nuclear war be like it is, but it do. View Quote I agree with you, just trying to be conservative for everyone who thinks we would just nuke them |
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Originally Posted By JBT: America's Current War Plans for China, Russia Will Not Work, New Report Says How the U.S. Could Lose a War With China How the U.S. Could Lose a War With China It’s not that the Chinese Communist Party would take over Washington. But in its own region, China has the advantage. f a war broke out between the United States and China, the clash between two of the world’s most powerful militaries would be horrific. And the United States could very well lose. That’s a concern among current and former defense officials and military analysts, one of whom told Breaking Defense earlier this year that in war games simulating great-power conflict in which the United States fights Russia and China, the United States “gets its ass handed to it.” US ‘Gets Its Ass Handed To It’ In Wargames: Here’s A $24 Billion Fix “In our games, when we fight Russia and China,” RAND analyst David Ochmanek said this afternoon, “blue gets its ass handed to it.” In other words, in RAND’s wargames, which are often sponsored by the Pentagon, the US forces — colored blue on wargame maps — suffer heavy losses in one scenario after another and still can’t stop Russia or China — red — from achieving their objectives, like overrunning US allies. No, it’s not a Red Dawn nightmare scenario where the Commies conquer Colorado. But losing the Baltics or Taiwan would shatter American alliances, shock the global economy, and topple the world order the US has led since World War II. Body Blows & Head Hits How could this happen, when we spend over $700 billion a year on everything from thousand-foot-long nuclear-powered aircraft carriers to supersonic stealth fighters? Well, it turns out US superweapons have a little too much Achilles in their heels. “In every case I know of,” said Robert Work, a former deputy secretary of defense with decades of wargaming experience, “the F-35 rules the sky when it’s in the sky, but it gets killed on the ground in large numbers.” Even the hottest jet has to land somewhere. But big airbases on land and big aircraft carriers on the water turn out to be big targets for long-range precision-guided missiles. Once an American monopoly, such smart weapons are now a rapidly growing part of Russian and Chinese arsenals — as are the long-range sensors, communications networks, and command systems required to aim them. So, as potential adversaries improve their technology, “things that rely on sophisticated base infrastructure like runways and fuel tanks are going to have a hard time,” Ochmanek said. “Things that sail on the surface of the sea are going to have a hard time.” (That’s why the 2020 budget coming out next week retires the carrier USS Truman decades early and cuts two amphibious landing ships, as we’ve reported. It’s also why the Marine Corps is buying the jump-jet version of the F-35, which can take off and land from tiny, ad hoc airstrips, but how well they can maintain a high-tech aircraft in low-tech surroundings is an open question). Worst of all, Work and Ochmanek said, the US doesn’t just take body blows, it takes a hard hit to the head as well. Its communications satellites, wireless networks, and other command-and-control systems suffer such heavy hacking and jamming that they are, in Ochmanek’s words, “suppressed, if not shattered.” The US has wargamed cyber and electronic warfare in field exercises, Work said, but the simulated enemy forces tend to shut down US networks so effectively that nothing works and nobody else gets any training done. “Whenever we have an exercise and the red force really destroys our command and control, we stop the exercise,” Work said, instead of trying to figure out how to keep fighting when your command post gives you nothing but blank screens and radio static. The Chinese call this “system destruction warfare,” Work said: They plan to “attack the American battle network at all levels, relentlessly, and they practice it all the time.” View Quote Appear weak when strong. |
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Originally Posted By hushpuppy: Not the first people to think that ... https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tbt.s3.amazonaws.com/public/KFZS3GTVX5D57IA4FLHEDPKVEI.jpg View Quote |
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Has it occurred to anyone that the war has already been fought and we lost?
By that I mean we have a divided government and they, along with half the people in America, are socialists and communists. The chinese have completely infiltrated our MSM and turned them into their propaganda weapon to brain wash Americans. They have hit us with a pernicious bio-weapon that will degrade us for years to come. And they are 6 months away from having their chinese stooge and apologist, Joe Biden elected. Its already over. Almost. That's why I say nuke them now. Because while that may be the end of America short term, long term, not doing anything turns us into a vassal state of China. Its comes down to "pick your poison." |
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As long as we didn’t try our normal nation building bullshit, then no problem.
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My question is, do we have effective countermeasures to their nukes? And how can we stop them from letting another bio weapon out, countries are apparently still letting them come in as tourists.
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Unjust war? How do you declare a war, that hasn't happened, unjust? Bias is obvious. China's treatment of its own citizens should be cause enough for removal of the leadership. How can you defend those mother fuckers?
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Originally Posted By Shinji_Ikari: My question is, do we have effective countermeasures to their nukes? And how can we stop them from letting another bio weapon out, countries are apparently still letting them come in as tourists. View Quote Google "brilliant pebbles" Ever noticed the Russians and Chinese are developing asymmetrical nukes? Torpedoes, hypersonic, etc? It's almost as if they know regular stuff isn't effective. ?? |
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Originally Posted By dirtyboy: Unjust war? How do you declare a war, that hasn't happened, unjust? Bias is obvious. China's treatment of its own citizens should be cause enough for removal of the leadership. How can you defend those mother fuckers? View Quote China considers all their claims including one international court ruled against them on, as sovereign territory so any war involving disputed places falls under unjust in their eyes as far as they’re concerned Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44: I don't know if the US could conduct and win a conventional land war on mainland China. View Quote Attached File |
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Vietnam alone could push their shit in. That’s the angle we need to be going in.
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Whatta they think they're gonna do? suck us into a land war 6,000 miles from home?
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Originally Posted By 9divdoc: Whatta they think they're gonna do? suck us into a land war 6,000 miles from home? View Quote Sounds like Korean Peninsula is on their minds Attached File |
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The best way to kick their ass is to not buy their products.
The more them 80,000 Americans that have died from the virus will thank you. |
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There is a 0% chance we'd lose. Not sure our chances of winning are much better though. It's the Vietnam problem: Win every battle, somehow not win the war.
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Originally Posted By 9divdoc: Whatta they think they're gonna do? suck us into a land war 6,000 miles from home? View Quote I remember reading something a while back about how our infrastructure, power grids etc... are for the most part unprotected and that we really don't know what kind of inroads foreign powers may have made in to compromising them. If they have the ability to flip the switch and shut us down the land war won't be 6,000 miles from home it would be marching right down our streets dressed in Chinese uniforms. |
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Originally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob: There is a 0% chance we'd lose. Not sure our chances of winning are much better though. It's the Vietnam problem: Win every battle, somehow not win the war. View Quote Because we didn’t fight to win. We sure as hell could of but we were not fighting like we did in WWII. |
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Originally Posted By Socio: I remember reading something a while back about how our infrastructure, power grids etc... are for the most part unprotected and that we really don't know what kind of inroads foreign powers may have made in to compromising them. If they have the ability to flip the switch and shut us down the land war won't be 6,000 miles from home it would be marching right down our streets dressed in Chinese uniforms. View Quote And how are they going to be just marching down the street. |
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Originally Posted By OddAtmosphere: I wonder if "prized arms projects" is their pet name for padding pockets versus actually replacing or maintaining equipment. Definitely don't want to get into another Cold War era spend off with China instead of bringing production home to undermine them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By OddAtmosphere: Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Also https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/FCA8E2A8-CB72-4EED-A180-D5AA726255BD_jpe-1412788.JPG I wonder if "prized arms projects" is their pet name for padding pockets versus actually replacing or maintaining equipment. Definitely don't want to get into another Cold War era spend off with China instead of bringing production home to undermine them. Too late. Welcome to fifth gen warfare. |
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Originally Posted By INV136: Who is behind this Global Times commie propaganda news and why is Op a member of their readership? Sounds like a bunch of Fake News BS just like CNN, MSNBC, and NPR. Op really needs to re-evaluate where he gets his misinformation. Tomorrow he'll be quoting Russia Today, Al-Jazeera, Izvestia, and Info Wars. View Quote Dunno man. Sun Tzu. Know your enemy. Shit like that bruh. Try not to color outside the lines. |
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Originally Posted By Ohio: Our Vietnamese/Taiwanese allies will fill that gap. We could probably scrape a few hundred thousand Koreans together as well. I wonder what a regiment of Saudi ground troops would cost? Put them in the more fractious areas and give them free rein. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ohio: Originally Posted By Hesperus: I would be willing to bet that our fourth generation stuff could fuck up their alleged fifth generation stuff. The problem however would be a ground war. That does not seem like an easy country to occupy. Our Vietnamese/Taiwanese allies will fill that gap. We could probably scrape a few hundred thousand Koreans together as well. I wonder what a regiment of Saudi ground troops would cost? Put them in the more fractious areas and give them free rein. What, exactly, are Saudi ground troops going to do? Maybe be a speed bump, if they can do anything. |
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we've been paying for china's growth, the paper tiger will crumple itself if we just de-couple our economy from them.
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Originally Posted By Jackal-FnM: And how are they going to be just marching down the street. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Jackal-FnM: Originally Posted By Socio: I remember reading something a while back about how our infrastructure, power grids etc... are for the most part unprotected and that we really don't know what kind of inroads foreign powers may have made in to compromising them. If they have the ability to flip the switch and shut us down the land war won't be 6,000 miles from home it would be marching right down our streets dressed in Chinese uniforms. And how are they going to be just marching down the street. They will come down by the Bering Straight. After the Soviet Union suffers its worst wheat harvest in 55 years. But that's no biggie. they'll be real easy to spot. |
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Originally Posted By Ohio: We need to remember that the enemy isn't China, it's the CCP. Weaken them enough and China and her neighbors will take care of the rest, maybe Chiang will finally get the last laugh, wherever he is. . View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ohio: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I don't think we'd occupy China. I think we'd just pwn their military and go home. Maybe glowies fund an uprising. F35 and F22s wrecking house would be awesome. Shock and Awe 2: Communist Boogaloo We need to remember that the enemy isn't China, it's the CCP. Weaken them enough and China and her neighbors will take care of the rest, maybe Chiang will finally get the last laugh, wherever he is. . If you mean the Chinese people, I think their "innocence"-I suppose- in all this is pretty exaggerated. They seem to be pretty nationalistic, and don't have any compunctions about taking their side first, no matter what. I actually kind of admire that, frankly.. at least a lot more than I admire the sniveling pseudo intellectuals on our side who put us last, no matter what. |
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Originally Posted By C3H5N3O9: You must be new here, or I need to get my meter checked. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By C3H5N3O9: Originally Posted By Tesseract: Op doesn’t understand America’s military. You must be new here, or I need to get my meter checked. You must be new to America? |
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I might be a old man but I'll turn the fucking launch key if need be.
Fuck China Fuck Communists |
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75: Opinions vary. Wouldn’t be the first time someone underestimated them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FlyNavy75: Originally Posted By C3H5N3O9: No they wouldn’t, but I don’t think China really wants a repeat of the 1000 years of B?c thu?c either. Opinions vary. Wouldn’t be the first time someone underestimated them. I don't think they look at battle deaths quite the way we do. The thousand years is about right though. We think of in mere decades or even shorter. Money is a powerful bitch ain't it? |
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Why the hell should I care about china when we have snakes in the kitchen here? China is a distraction from the real issues America faces. IMHO.
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