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Posted: 10/2/2018 10:28:05 AM EDT
Started watching Manhunter and wondered what GD thinks of Kazinski. I was aware of the case but never read the details much.
His manifesto reads like a typical day in GD. 16. Words like “self-confidence,” “self-reliance,” “initiative,” “enterprise,” “optimism,” etc., play little role in the liberal and leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-individualistic, pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone’s problems for them, satisfy everyone’s needs for them, take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense of confidence in his ability to solve his own problems and satisfy his own needs. The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser. 18. Modern leftish philosophers tend to dismiss reason, science, objective reality and to insist that everything is culturally relative. It is true that one can ask serious questions about the foundations of scientific knowledge and about how, if at all, the concept of objective reality can be defined. But it is obvious that modern leftish philosophers are not simply cool-headed logicians systematically analyzing the foundations of knowledge. They are deeply involved emotionally in their attack on truth and reality. They attack these concepts because of their own psychological needs. For one thing, their attack is an outlet for hostility, and, to the extent that it is successful, it satisfies the drive for power. More importantly, the leftist hates science and rationality because they classify certain beliefs as true (i.e., successful, superior) and other beliefs as false (i.e., failed, inferior). The leftist’s feelings of inferiority run so deep that he cannot tolerate any classification of some things as successful or superior and other things as failed or inferior. This also underlies the rejection by many leftists of the concept of mental illness and of the utility of IQ tests. Leftists are antagonistic to genetic explanations of human abilities or behavior because such explanations tend to make some persons appear superior or inferior to others. Leftists prefer to give society the credit or blame for an individual’s ability or lack of it. Thus if a person is “inferior” it is not his fault, but society’s, because he has not been brought up properly. |
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Smart guy incapable of seeing that stupid people can be manipulated into doing your will instead of mailing out bombs. He identified a problem, but was profoundly lacking in problem solving skills.
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Unfortunately for his victims, Kaczynski started his cry for attention before the Internet gained popularity.
Had he the self-publishing outlet for mass distribution of his manifesto (ironic, for sure) such as Twitter, YouTube, etc. he might not have turned to bombs to get his message out. Then again, maybe he'd just be sending bombs to Silicon Valley... |
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My take has been he was very intelligent and many of his conclusions were correct.
However his actions showed a severely mis-aligned moral compass. I have seen other examples of high IQ individuals that dont conform to social norms. It just doesnt compute for them, as some norms fall outside the patterns of pure logic. This would be the danger of A.I., just like the movie iRobot, the logic is sound that you must kill people to protect them. I imagine Ted's brain worked similarly. Doesnt make it right, but it's explainable and, to me, a little tragic. |
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The Unabomber was a gifted student, but always isolated. He grew up as kind of an outcast, lowest kid in the pecking order in grade school. He apparently had only one friend for a brief period, who then betrayed him when peer pressure to beat up the “weird kid” took over.
After that, I believe the only childhood friend he had was his younger brother. If he’d been born in the past decade or two, I think there’s a good chance he’d be diagnosed as having Asperger’s or very high functioning autism. Because of his academic success, he went to college a year or two early. He thought he found a like-minded intellectual environment, but he was still isolated because of his social awkwardness. Worse, he was mentored by a professor he thought was a friend, who turned out to be using him as a test subject for psychology experiments on identity and self-esteem. Women? Forget it. The closest he came was a painful infatuation with an office girl at a job his brother had gotten him after dropping out of college. What was really just a sad attempt at reaching out to the opposite sex on the part of a broken individual who was struggling, looked creepy and stalker-ish from everyone else’s perspective. When his younger brother got married and was living a “normal life” in the society he despised, it was perhaps the final “betrayal” that sent him over the edge. Being highly intelligent in terms of literacy and mathematics, but very deficient in social intelligence, he could not understand that his life sucked because HE had problems, or perhaps he did, but felt he had no way to fix himself. So his thinking became pathological and he built his entire “Man in technological society” philosophy and manifesto. The semi-random anonymous bombings of university science departments, and small computer businesses through the mail was probably because he couldn’t stand urban society long enough to develop larger plans, and also because of his own personal poverty, lacking a car, or tools and resources to build and transport larger bombs. By the standards of an insanity defense, namely, so insane he didn’t know what he was doing was wrong, he didn’t come close to meeting it. He knew it was wrong, but he did it anyway. |
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He wasn’t a particularly skilled bomb maker that’s for sure. He did show how being a hermit made him hard to catch.
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He wasn’t a particularly skilled bomb maker that’s for sure. He did show how being a hermit made him hard to catch. View Quote |
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Read his manifesto.
He was a genius, and understood the problems with the way technology is destroying society. But he was also a wack job that sent bombs in the mail. _ |
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If he's so smart how come he's sitting in a Supermax prison? Brutal maimings and killings of scientists with bombs is sheer barbarism. He's a garbage human, and that's it.
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If he's so smart how come he's sitting in a Supermax prison? Brutal maimings and killings of scientists with bombs is sheer barbarism. He's a garbage human, and that's it. View Quote Being barbaric is only decided by what side of history you fall on. If he rid the government of liberals, GD would pray twice daily in his direction. |
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He was right, sorta.
I think he got it backwards tho. AnPrims fatal flaw is that humans have been a technocentric species since the adoption of crude hand tools. You cannot unring that bell. Instead, we should embrace Crypto Anarchy and transhumanism. Self limitation is for faggots. |
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And popping people with bombs from a drone is not? Being barbaric is only decided by what side of history you fall on. If he rid the government of liberals, GD would pray twice daily in his direction. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If he's so smart how come he's sitting in a Supermax prison? Brutal maimings and killings of scientists with bombs is sheer barbarism. He's a garbage human, and that's it. Being barbaric is only decided by what side of history you fall on. If he rid the government of liberals, GD would pray twice daily in his direction. Or said another way: “I’m not saying I think it’s right, but I understand”. |
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Poll fail, no pick for Mentally Defective Scumbag Murderer. What kind of nonsense poll about a murdering scum has an option for Patriot and Prophet?? Next poll going to have these choices for Charles Manson, Ed Gein, Charles Ng, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, and John Wayne Gacy?
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Quoted: Read his manifesto. He was a genius, and understood the problems with the way technology is destroying society. But he was also a wack job that sent bombs in the mail. _ View Quote |
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Poll fail, no pick for Mentally Defective Scumbag Murderer. What kind of nonsense poll about a murdering scum has an option for Patriot and Prophet?? Next poll going to have these choices for Charles Manson, Ed Gein, Charles Ng, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, and John Wayne Gacy? View Quote |
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Quoted: And popping people with bombs from a drone is not? Being barbaric is only decided by what side of history you fall on. If he rid the government of liberals, GD would pray twice daily in his direction. View Quote |
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His description of scale accelerating capitalist efficiency into brittleness was dead on.
It's actually a good argument for the role of human agency in R/acc. |
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That guy is what happens when someone doesn't have one friend in the whole world. He's like Private Pyle in FMJ, or the Joker in TDN. They come to resent existence because they only see the suffering side of life, no light or brightness. At that point, they each take a slightly different path.
There is no point to living if there are no other people in the world, and that is the position they are in. They think everyone else is also alone, so the compassionate and logical thing to do is end everyone's suffering. They fail to understand that while everyone does suffer at some point (or even daily), most people have a "why" that allows them to bear their cross without wishing for annihilation. |
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In our society you follow the rules or change them by a democratic process. You don't just go around terrorizing people with bombs. That's why he's in a Supermax and technology is moving. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: And popping people with bombs from a drone is not? Being barbaric is only decided by what side of history you fall on. If he rid the government of liberals, GD would pray twice daily in his direction. |
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How about plain old fashioned brilliant whacko I'd love to lock in a room full of politicians?
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I heard a radio lab show that claimed he was seriously nerfed as a teen Harvard college student in a CIA sponsored interogation experiment
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/06/harvard-and-the-making-of-the-unabomber/378239/ https://boingboing.net/2014/05/09/how-the-cia-created-the-unabom.html |
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Modern society is in certain respects extremely permissive. In matters that are irrelevant to the functioning of the system we can generally do what we please. We can believe in any religion we like (as long as it does not encourage behavior that is dangerous to the system). We can go to bed with anyone we like (as long as we practice “safe sex”). We can do anything we like as long as it is UNIMPORTANT. But in all IMPORTANT matters the system tends increasingly to regulate our behavior. View Quote The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can’t make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values. View Quote In modern society an individual’s loyalty must be first to the system and only secondarily to a small-scale community, because if the internal loyalties of small-scale communities were stronger than loyalty to the system, such communities would pursue their own advantage at the expense of the system. View Quote The Industrial Revolution was supposed to eliminate poverty, make everybody happy, etc. The actual result has been quite different. The technophiles are hopelessly naive (or self-deceiving) in their understanding of social problems. They are unaware of (or choose to ignore) the fact that when large changes, even seemingly beneficial ones, are introduced into a society, they lead to a long sequence of other changes, most of which are impossible to predict. The result is disruption of the society. So it is very probable that in their attempts to end poverty and disease, engineer docile, happy personalities and so forth, the technophiles will create social systems that are terribly troubled, even more so than the present once. View Quote |
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lol
He was a demented eco-terrorist, who thought Tim McVeigh and Ramzi Yousef were swell people. |
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Poll fail, no pick for Mentally Defective Scumbag Murderer. What kind of nonsense poll about a murdering scum has an option for Patriot and Prophet?? Next poll going to have these choices for Charles Manson, Ed Gein, Charles Ng, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, and John Wayne Gacy? View Quote One person left out of your list would be Eric Rudolph. You can bet there are plenty who think he is a patriot and/or a prophet, also. There is nothing hard about what each of them saw coming; the dangers of technology from one of them, and the execution of a homosexual agenda predicted by the other. |
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That guy is what happens when someone doesn't have one friend in the whole world. He's like Private Pyle in FMJ, or the Joker in TDN. They come to resent existence because they only see the suffering side of life, no light or brightness. At that point, they each take a slightly different path. There is no point to living if there are no other people in the world, and that is the position they are in. They think everyone else is also alone, so the compassionate and logical thing to do is end everyone's suffering. They fail to understand that while everyone does suffer at some point (or even daily), most people have a "why" that allows them to bear their cross without wishing for annihilation. View Quote |
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