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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:07:12 PM EST
The UFP in Star Trek from start to finish are Authoritarian Space Marxists. Private ownership of property is verboten except for trinkets. No private space craft, businesses, asteroid mining operations, moons, colonies, etc. All communication is monitored and controlled by the UFP. The Civilian and Military are indistinguishable from each other. Starfleet and the UFP are one in the same. No currency or income. People "work to better themselves".
 Nog Pwns Jake  Star Trek - Money Doesn't Exist in the Future Earth is like Pyongyang. Only the Party Elite are allowed to live there. The dregs and vagabonds of the UFP are sent to space gulags... err.... new colonies by the UFP. There is no counterculture, no rebellious youth. The people are uniformed and strikingly similar. It is as if there is a Space Stasi monitoring them and everyone is ratting everyone else out to them. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:08:24 PM EST
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Agreed. Where do I kill time in Miami dude?
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:12:13 PM EST
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Are you One, Herbert?
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:18:29 PM EST
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:19:21 PM EST
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Space Inkies!
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:23:22 PM EST
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Agreed. Where do I kill time in Miami dude? 
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:24:30 PM EST
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The Federation is not a command economy. You're free to do whatever you want. Not communism, though we don't have a real world example of a post scarcity economy.
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:25:05 PM EST
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I figured you out.
You're a Feringi.
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:25:26 PM EST
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If you have money, aren't ugly, and have a spouse that is into kinky shit. Take her to Miami Velvet. It is a swingers club. Pink Pony was okay. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:27:00 PM EST
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I figured you out. You're a Feringi. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:28:01 PM EST
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Difference between Star Wars and Star Trek. Star Wars is about fighting the man. Star Trek is about being the man.
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:29:26 PM EST
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Me and 3 male pilots arent going to get in there together. Pink Pony was okay. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you have money, aren't ugly, and have a spouse that is into kinky shit. Take her to Miami Velvet. It is a swingers club. Pink Pony was okay. Try Tootsie's or Scarlet's Cabaret |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:29:37 PM EST
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I've never been able to figure out what society is like in ST. There has to be a book out on it somewheres!!!
I know the few times they've had stories on Earth, it seemed pretty normal with people wearing what they want, restaurants, private vehicles, etc. Maybe some kind of "enlightened" dictatorship where everything major is .gov owned but you can make a living on the side...? I don't know. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:30:13 PM EST
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You nailed it. No argument here.
Was Gene a commie? |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:30:52 PM EST
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Difference between Star Wars and Star Trek. Star Wars is about fighting the man. Star Trek is about being the man. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:31:57 PM EST
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You nailed it. No argument here. Was Gene a commie? |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:33:10 PM EST
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The Federation is not a command economy. You're free to do whatever you want. Not communism, though we don't have a real world example of a post scarcity economy. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:36:19 PM EST
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Watching Voyager as we speak.
She should've been over thrown and beamed into space |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:41:44 PM EST
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Well, give your ID card to the border guardYeah, your alias says you're Captain Jean-Luc Picard
Of the United Federation Of Planets 'Cause he won't speak English anyway |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:45:08 PM EST
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You're correct. On the other hand society would necessarily look quite different due to their technologies.
Replicators remove most of the scarcity from life, which is the reason we have capitalism and markets. Most of what you want will be free with a solar panel and magic box. Only a few things like dilthium crystals and real estate cannot be replicated. Transporters allow anyone to effectively steal things that cannot be replicated. To block a transporter you need shields and a military force to guard them. Advanced computers store the collected works of the entire history of mankind on iPads. Intellectual property would not be worth much when you already have enough content to last a lifetime. Holodecks are so lifelike that most of humanity probably won't want to leave them anyway. Why work to earn a living when you can live your dream life inside a box? |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:45:12 PM EST
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The UFP in Star Trek from start to finish are Authoritarian Space Marxists. Private ownership of property is verboten except for trinkets. No private space craft, businesses, asteroid mining operations, moons, colonies, etc. All communication is monitored and controlled by the UFP. The Civilian and Military are indistinguishable from each other. Starfleet and the UFP are one in the same. No currency or income. People "work to better themselves".  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx5I7uEEEYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh3xPatEto
Earth is like Pyongyang. Only the Party Elite are allowed to live there. The dregs and vagabonds of the UFP are sent to space gulags... err.... new colonies by the UFP. There is no counterculture, no rebellious youth. The people are uniformed and strikingly similar. It is as if there is a Space Stasi monitoring them and everyone is ratting everyone else out to them. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:46:39 PM EST
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You're correct. On the other hand society would necessarily look quite different due to their technologies. Replicators remove most of the scarcity from life, which is the reason we have capitalism and markets. Most of what you want will be free with a solar panel and magic box. Only a few things like dilthium crystals and real estate cannot be replicated. Transporters allow anyone to effectively steal things that cannot be replicated. To block a transporter you need shields and a military force to guard them. Advanced computers store the collected works of the entire history of mankind on iPads. Intellectual property would not be worth much when you already have enough content to last a lifetime. Holodecks are so lifelike that most of humanity probably won't want to leave them anyway. Why work to earn a living when you can live your dream life inside a box? |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:46:39 PM EST
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Quark is by far the best Character ever. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:47:26 PM EST
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Difference between Star Wars and Star Trek. Star Wars is about fighting the man. Star Trek is about being the man. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:48:45 PM EST
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Watching Voyager as we speak. She should've been over thrown and beamed into space |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:48:46 PM EST
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SW is full of filthy space commies too. Don't fool yourself. The New Republic is extremely SJW in the novels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Difference between Star Wars and Star Trek. Star Wars is about fighting the man. Star Trek is about being the man. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:49:12 PM EST
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Also, remember in DS9 Bashir's parents were Political Prisoners of the UFP. As a child, Julian Bashir fell behind in school, and was evaluated as having learning difficulties. Because of this, his parents, Richard and Amsha Bashir, had him subjected to genetic engineering. The procedure made him mentally superior to most humans, and greatly enhanced his physical abilities. However, because human genetic engineering is illegal in the United Federation of Planets, they were sent off to a reeducation center (gulag). His father was sent to a penal colony in New Zealand for two years after they got caught about genetically engineering their kid to be better.
In the mid-23rd century, the penal systems of the United Federation of Planets shifted focus from incarceration and punishment to humane rehabilitation, made possible by new technologies and drug therapies. A key figure of this transition was Doctor Tristan Adams. From the late 2240s and into the 2260s, his practices were replicated in many Federation penal colonies, turning what were essentially cages into "hospitals". They sedate and rewire people that aren't "fit" for society. They cure people of bad thoughts like "wealth, private property, or Liberty". |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:49:52 PM EST
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Watching Voyager as we speak. She should've been over thrown and beamed into space Yep she is the weakest of the captains |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:49:56 PM EST
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So how do you feel about the Obsidian Order ??...
Seeing as how our LE/court system seems to be moving in that direction. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:50:18 PM EST
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Well, give your ID card to the border guardYeah, your alias says you're Captain Jean-Luc Picard Of the United Federation Of Planets 'Cause he won't speak English anyway |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:50:21 PM EST
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Sí, Gene was a Marxist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You nailed it. No argument here. Was Gene a commie? |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:51:07 PM EST
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Replicators need raw matter to make items and not everything can be replicated. Transporters aren't owned by the common man. IP is very much an issue, the Doctor in Voyager had to fight to protect his IP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're correct. On the other hand society would necessarily look quite different due to their technologies. Replicators remove most of the scarcity from life, which is the reason we have capitalism and markets. Most of what you want will be free with a solar panel and magic box. Only a few things like dilthium crystals and real estate cannot be replicated. Transporters allow anyone to effectively steal things that cannot be replicated. To block a transporter you need shields and a military force to guard them. Advanced computers store the collected works of the entire history of mankind on iPads. Intellectual property would not be worth much when you already have enough content to last a lifetime. Holodecks are so lifelike that most of humanity probably won't want to leave them anyway. Why work to earn a living when you can live your dream life inside a box? |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:53:36 PM EST
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Replicators need raw matter to make items and not everything can be replicated. Transporters aren't owned by the common man. IP is very much an issue, the Doctor in Voyager had to fight to protect his IP. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:54:01 PM EST
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So how do you feel about the Obsidian Order ??... Seeing as how our LE/court system seems to be moving in that direction. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:55:51 PM EST
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Also, remember in DS9 Bashir's parents were Political Prisoners of the UFP. As a child, Julian Bashir fell behind in school, and was evaluated as having learning difficulties. Because of this, his parents, Richard and Amsha Bashir, had him subjected to genetic engineering. The procedure made him mentally superior to most humans, and greatly enhanced his physical abilities. However, because human genetic engineering is illegal in the United Federation of Planets, they were sent off to a reeducation center (gulag). His father was sent to a penal colony in New Zealand for two years after they got caught about genetically engineering their kid to be better. In the mid-23rd century, the penal systems of the United Federation of Planets shifted focus from incarceration and punishment to humane rehabilitation, made possible by new technologies and drug therapies. A key figure of this transition was Doctor Tristan Adams. From the late 2240s and into the 2260s, his practices were replicated in many Federation penal colonies, turning what were essentially cages into "hospitals". They sedate and rewire people that aren't "fit" for society. They cure people of bad thoughts like "wealth, private property, or Liberty". |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:57:24 PM EST
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 Attached FileHave had this in my phone for awhile waiting on an ST tread |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:58:38 PM EST
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The Cardassians were simply the DPRK of Star Trek while the UFP was the USSR. The Federation had their own secret police. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:58:40 PM EST
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Fuck, James T. Kirk was a commie, too...
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Posted: 4/21/2019 10:59:20 PM EST
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I would add one caveat.
They are in fact, magical communists because whatever problems they find themselves up against. Including physical gods. Most of the time the Federation is able to come up with some kind of techno fix that rectifies everything. If the USSR could have come up with... Oh say, effective treatments for disease outbreaks from their old stock of chemical weapons. As I seem to recall seeing in at least one episode of the original series. The communists would have very likely have won the Cold War. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 11:01:13 PM EST
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This. Quark should’ve had his own show. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 11:02:25 PM EST
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Bashir's parents did nothing wrong!
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Posted: 4/21/2019 11:03:20 PM EST
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Right, but almost everything can be replicated. If 90% of things people want can be replicated for free they are going to become very passive. Why bother fighting the communist totalitarian government that keeps transporter and phasor recipes away from you when you can just go screw Kate Upton in the holodeck all day? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Replicators need raw matter to make items and not everything can be replicated. Transporters aren't owned by the common man. IP is very much an issue, the Doctor in Voyager had to fight to protect his IP. Think of Obamacare in the 2300s. In 2366, Deanna Troi expressed her desire to the computer to have a "real" chocolate sundae. The computer wished for her to define "real in context", to which Troi explained, "Real. Not one of your perfectly synthesized, ingeniously enhanced imitations. I would like real chocolate ice cream, real whipped cream..." before she was interrupted by the computer explained that "[t]his unit is programmed to provide sources of acceptable nutritional value. Your request does not fall within current guidelines. Please indicate whether you wish to override the specified program?" |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 11:04:41 PM EST
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So, in essence what the UFP are doing is what the Bashir's were imprisoned for? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Also, remember in DS9 Bashir's parents were Political Prisoners of the UFP. As a child, Julian Bashir fell behind in school, and was evaluated as having learning difficulties. Because of this, his parents, Richard and Amsha Bashir, had him subjected to genetic engineering. The procedure made him mentally superior to most humans, and greatly enhanced his physical abilities. However, because human genetic engineering is illegal in the United Federation of Planets, they were sent off to a reeducation center (gulag). His father was sent to a penal colony in New Zealand for two years after they got caught about genetically engineering their kid to be better. In the mid-23rd century, the penal systems of the United Federation of Planets shifted focus from incarceration and punishment to humane rehabilitation, made possible by new technologies and drug therapies. A key figure of this transition was Doctor Tristan Adams. From the late 2240s and into the 2260s, his practices were replicated in many Federation penal colonies, turning what were essentially cages into "hospitals". They sedate and rewire people that aren't "fit" for society. They cure people of bad thoughts like "wealth, private property, or Liberty". |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 11:05:45 PM EST
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Always kinda pictured The Founders (Odo's people) from DS9 as USSR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Cardassians were simply the DPRK of Star Trek while the UFP was the USSR. The Federation had their own secret police. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 11:05:55 PM EST
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Watching Voyager as we speak. She should've been over thrown and beamed into space |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 11:11:55 PM EST
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Watching Voyager as we speak. She should've been over thrown and beamed into space Say it had been a Galaxy-class for instance that had gotten flung into the Delta Quadrant. They would have had a far larger crew, so some of the manpower shortages would have been less of an issue. Then there is the fact that it would have far more firepower and stronger shields. It could have bitch-slapped Kazon, Vidiians, Malon, and Hirogen where Voyager often got overpowered or driven away. Then there is the infrastructure of a Galaxy class. Multiple transporter rooms, cargo transporters, tons of cargo bays, shuttle bays, several sickbays and more than one Doctor on staff so you would not have been stuck with just the EMH. When they would come across some valuable resources, they had the space to really store a good supply of resources so they could have much longer legs before needing to replenish dilithium, deuterium, antimatter, and basic materials to feed the replicators. Not to say the Galaxy class didn't have flaws in wasteful uses of some space and resources. Arboretums, dolphin tanks, and other excessive opulence.  Or it may have been just the Ent-D that was particularly luxurious and that other Galaxy class ships were laid out more efficiently.
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Posted: 4/21/2019 11:13:24 PM EST
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Startfleet is Fascist.
 Film Theory: Why The Star Trek Federation is Fascist It's worse than the Borg.    DS9: Eddington's Federation Rant |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 11:17:37 PM EST
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One thing I have always wondered about the Voyager series was: how much their journey home would have been different if they had a different/bigger class of starship. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 11:17:55 PM EST
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Say it had been a Galaxy-class for instance that had gotten flung into the Delta Quadrant. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 11:18:24 PM EST
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Well, if fabricators that allowed us to create anything we need/want by converting energy to matter, I could see the need to buy things as becoming unnecessary...
Least until some other race pops up that has something we want, but wont give it unless they get money for it. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 11:19:36 PM EST
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Literally any raw matter would do, and the only things that can't be replicated are plot points and mcguffins. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're correct. On the other hand society would necessarily look quite different due to their technologies. Replicators remove most of the scarcity from life, which is the reason we have capitalism and markets. Most of what you want will be free with a solar panel and magic box. Only a few things like dilthium crystals and real estate cannot be replicated. Transporters allow anyone to effectively steal things that cannot be replicated. To block a transporter you need shields and a military force to guard them. Advanced computers store the collected works of the entire history of mankind on iPads. Intellectual property would not be worth much when you already have enough content to last a lifetime. Holodecks are so lifelike that most of humanity probably won't want to leave them anyway. Why work to earn a living when you can live your dream life inside a box? |
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