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Posted: 5/11/2017 2:58:59 AM EDT
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I used to go drinking in Reynosa. I don't think I'd even venture into RGV anymore. If you're well armed. And connected. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 3:03:49 AM EDT
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That's what a civil war looks like. And a country, redrawn. You would fare better, as a world leader, negotiating with the true Presidents of Mexico. That place holder is one bad day away from getting hung in the middle of the square. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 3:03:58 AM EDT
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In the last 3 years only 4 conflict zones have produced an excess of 10,000 deaths annually. Iraq. Syria. Afghanistan. Mexico. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 3:09:43 AM EDT
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That's just the ' War on Drugs'... mostly concentrated near the US Border. Most of Mexico is not like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But they have really cheap, all inclusive vacation resorts to stay at...... FUCK MEXICO. Again, FUCK MEXICO. Most of Mexico is not like that. Well, parts of Morelia aren't too bad. But visit Uruapan, Nueva Italia, apatzingan, etc..  Drug Cartel Cruising through the City (Apatzingán, Michoacán) Mexico |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 3:16:56 AM EDT
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Mexico, 2016's second deadliest country in the world.. Only Syria topped them... this is real and usually not reported
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Posted: 5/11/2017 3:31:48 AM EDT
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Hated that movie. Hate the whole message of, "you gringos are weak and we are strong." Shtick that Hollywood has been pushing for awhile now. They may be vicious, but they ain't organized and they certainly aren't well equipped. Perhaps someone could contract the Chinese to get Mexico under control they way they are doing in Africa and a bunch of other places. A few things go sideways and we shall see who the real wolves are. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/383325/image-205829.JPG It wasn't "you're weak, we're strong". It was "you're an innocent cunt. Open your fucking eyes." |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 3:32:27 AM EDT
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Mexico, 2016's second deadliest country in the world.. Only Syria topped them... this is real and usually not reported Who cares about Assad and Syria, half a world away. We got Syria right on our Southern Border. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 3:45:58 AM EDT
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 Marty Robbins - Jimmy Martinez |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 3:55:50 AM EDT
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1st off: MX marines~=USMC
2nd off: Please fly FEDERALE helicopters ,over the border, and fire at BP agents...I dare you. 3rd off: Shoot at, and kill, TX civy waverunners. I DOUBLE DARE you. 4th off: Blame the violence on American gun-owners and the 2nd amend. I TRIPLE_DOG_DARE_YOU. 
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Posted: 5/11/2017 4:13:53 AM EDT
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Guess you've never travelled to Europe. Or Canada. Or Japan. Or New Zealand.. or Aussiland...WTF mate......  .
USA isn't unique. Third world violence isn't the standard, except in Africa and parts of the Middle East. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 7:01:04 AM EDT
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What's going to happen when they bring their turf wars into Texas? |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 9:04:31 AM EDT
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Reminds me of the border crossing gunfight scene in Sicario. After they shoot a carload of bad guys in front of dozens of people one guy says over the radio that this will be on the front page of every newspaper in America, and a more experienced guy says it won't even make the papers in El Paso. Cartels could full on capture cities and start doing military parades like ISIS did in Iraq and I'm not sure the MSM would talk about it. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 9:10:34 AM EDT
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I guess you can say you had a great vacation in Mexico if you didn't die. Some people set that bar pretty low.
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Posted: 5/11/2017 9:13:11 AM EDT
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I was directly across the border in Hidalgo TX a few years ago. I was about 100 yards from the crossing and you could hear lots gunfire and see plumes of black smoke off in the distance. It was like that off and on for hours. I heard the next day that the federal police and the cartels had gotten into a big fight. Everyone acted like it was no big deal. Never would you hear a peep of this even on the local McAllen news. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 9:27:57 AM EDT
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I dont think i have ever heard that here. Unless youre tallying up what some random drive by troll says. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 9:28:39 AM EDT
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The Catholic church has been persecuted by the Mexican government for a very long time. The government is secular. The population is Catholic. There is a difference. Catholicism does not lend itself to socialism without some perversion of beliefs. The belief in subsidiarity is counter to socialism. 
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Posted: 5/11/2017 9:51:33 AM EDT
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With NAFTA and all the mfg money moving in to Mexico, how the hell can they not clean that place up even a little bit? I mean Canada outside of energy doesn't have any major national exports or crazy sources, but they seem to get along just fine as a civilized nation? |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 10:00:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryKnights Templar?? |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 10:15:33 AM EDT
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México is so fucked up. My mother in law was raised in Acapulco, we recently had family murdered down there, my MIL's brother. It's so bad the family can't even go back for funerals because they have people waiting at the air ports to see who is a "tourist" and they will rob you. Even if you were born and raised there, once you leave, you can't come back, you become a outsider.
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Posted: 5/11/2017 10:19:03 AM EDT
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Oh come now, it's not that bad. Please explain for all our friends from the North East and our resident Liberaltarians who didn't seem to have problems with the illegals for the longest time what the issues are. Those of us that LIVE HERE have known about it for a LONG FUCKING TIME and have been begging and pleading for help. All we got on Arfcom for YEARS was, "Any barriers to labor markets are illogical and unnecessary- so says the God Queen Rand". Swear to God I heard that fucking bullshit for YEARS here. You don't hear it now so much that everyone has grown up and moved out of mommies basement and figured out how the real world works....kinda funny that.... |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 10:25:01 AM EDT
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I worked security down there off and on for 3 years. I heard many, many gun battles from our side of the border. It was not at all unusual for the border to be shut down on the Mexican side because of gun battles going on. I would have to wait hours to days down there until my trucks were able come across. Never would you hear a peep of this even on the local McAllen news. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 10:34:47 AM EDT
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I went there a couple of times with family when I was 12. It was a little spooky, but mainly it was just kind of backwards and run down. We were warned not to go to Matamoros back then!
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Posted: 5/11/2017 10:38:40 AM EDT
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Reminds me of the border crossing gunfight scene in Sicario. After they shoot a carload of bad guys in front of dozens of people one guy says over the radio that this will be on the front page of every newspaper in America, and a more experienced guy says it won't even make the papers in El Paso. Cartels could full on capture cities and start doing military parades like ISIS did in Iraq and I'm not sure the MSM would talk about it. Pretty eye opening, never heard any of it in the news, even here in our border city. What will be interesting is to see if/when Islam takes hold down in Mexico. It seems to take root pretty well in places where you have a bunch of poor, futureless young men with no hopes of any upward mobility. Indonesia and the Philippines come to mind. There are muslims in Mexico, it is the only place I have ever seen women wearing burquas (sp) in real life. Probably not in my lifetime but I could see it happen. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 10:59:00 AM EDT
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"A man illegally crossed the border into South Texas, died on the journey and was never identified. His remains were buried in a milk crate, his skull stained red from its contact with a bandanna."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/04/us/texas-border-migrants-dead-bodies.html?_r=0 |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 11:08:20 AM EDT
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5 killed, including officer, bystander, in Reynosa
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Posted: 5/11/2017 11:14:44 AM EDT
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Fuck me! My company is sending me there at the end of this month. Staying stateside over night, but every day for a week, that's where I'm heading...
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Posted: 5/11/2017 11:16:09 AM EDT
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I used to go camping with one of the http://www.borderlandbeat.com/ administrator/reporters.
You should hear the stories that even they won't publish. Anonymity only goes so far. You can usually hide from the cartels, you cannot hide from high levels of governments. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 11:23:16 AM EDT
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Wont happen, it would draw unwanted attention to the cartels. Example, when sicarios killed Ice Agent Zapata by "accident", the cartel gave up the sicaro within a few days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At least the mexicans dont seem to be as gung ho suicidal as the arabs when it comes to this shit. No VBIED's and crap like that. I dont even know the fallout if a border checkpoint were to get hit by a carbomb. The Zetas started the war, and as former Mexican military, used their training to quickly out violence everyone else. But the Cartels know what's what. And that includes understanding they cannot go toe-to-toe with the .mil. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 11:28:27 AM EDT
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I'll lay you odds we have (or can obtain within a day) the coordinates of every drug lord's compound, as well as their manufacturing facilities and weed and poppy farms. A few quick overflights with 500-pounders and incendiaries and most of this shit would stop overnight. Then we could go after the gangs. The crooked Mexican officials would scream like the stuck hogs they are, but we could just tell them the Russians did it. What could they do about it? |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 11:35:46 AM EDT
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This. The Cartels do NOT want the US intervening in their turf war. They can live with periodic extraditions but they know that if there ever comes a time when the US military gets involved in Mexico, it will be very painful for them and their business. The Zetas started the war, and as former Mexican military, used their training to quickly out violence everyone else. But the Cartels know what's what. And that includes understanding they cannot go toe-to-toe with the .mil. As it is currently the US border is porous on purpose. We are the safety valve that keeps Mexico from completely collapsing via a peoples revolution or a narco-revolution. We let the ambitious lower class into our labor pool to keep them content. We let just enough drugs into our country that the narcos don't have to really put the squeeze on (or outright take over) legitimate business/government in Mexico. In exchange the Mexican government and narcos keep the really bad shit on their side of the border. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 11:41:15 AM EDT
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We should make Mexico an honorary member of the Middle East. ... wait a minute... not a bad idea! |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 11:46:17 AM EDT
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I am going to McAllen for work next week…and the meeting place is about halfway between McAllen and the border.
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Posted: 5/11/2017 11:48:29 AM EDT
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Except fuck tons of Chinese Fentanyl and Carfentanyl. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No drugs being smuggled through Canada. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 11:49:49 AM EDT
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I went there a couple of times with family when I was 12. It was a little spooky, but mainly it was just kind of backwards and run down. We were warned not to go to Matamoros back then!
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Posted: 5/11/2017 11:54:07 AM EDT
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Going to mexico today.
Mexico is the way it is because thats exactly the way the ruling class wants it to be. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 11:56:27 AM EDT
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I am going to McAllen for work next week…and the meeting place is about halfway between McAllen and the border. :( |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 12:02:13 PM EDT
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Actually the cartels are most worried about a hard lockdown of the border. As it is currently the US border is porous on purpose. We are the safety valve that keeps Mexico from completely collapsing via a peoples revolution or a narco-revolution. We let the ambitious lower class into our labor pool to keep them content. We let just enough drugs into our country that the narcos don't have to really put the squeeze on (or outright take over) legitimate business/government in Mexico. In exchange the Mexican government and narcos keep the really bad shit on their side of the border. But I'm not sure the cartels are as sophisticated in their thinking as you suggest. They first want control of the most lucrative trade routes. Second, they want to ensure the product moves across the southern border. If they get both 1 and 2....the money flows. Avoiding undue US attention in Mexico will let them sort out 1. Keeping the border porous involves point 2. I think the cartels believe they can move product across the border irrespective of what the US does....so long as the US stays out of Mexico. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 12:03:45 PM EDT
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A local talk radio guy here in San Diego used to do a "This week in Mexico" news report where he would list the week's running gun battles, assassinations and other narco crimes. Pretty eye opening, never heard any of it in the news, even here in our border city. What will be interesting is to see if/when Islam takes hold down in Mexico. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 12:04:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2017 12:06:42 PM EDT
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Ost
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Posted: 5/11/2017 12:09:06 PM EDT
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I really wish Mexico would get its shit together.
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Posted: 5/11/2017 12:16:48 PM EDT
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I occasionally work in McAllen and Harlingen. Last year I crossed for the first time (I am 63). Didn't go more than 100 yards in, and other than a few tourist shops, all I saw were dentists on one side of the street and pharmacies on the other.
My contacts on the US side warned me not to go too far in. Won't be going back, but I felt like I should go once in my lifetime. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 12:27:52 PM EDT
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I really wish Mexico would get its shit together. Something tells me you'll be waiting a long time like until Hillary is in prison... Actually, did Mexico ever have its shit together? |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 12:41:03 PM EDT
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Early to mid 2000s, if you went t South Padre Island for Spring Break, you had to go across the border to Matamoros -- especially if you were underage. Because if Mexico, if you were old enough to reach the bar, the you were old enough to drink.
The streets just opposite the border were full of American Spring Breakers drunk and acting dumb. We were all told about not fucking with the cops down there, to stay in large groups, and don't wander a way from the main street(s). The bars and clubs were full and lines meandered their way out the door. We knew the game, bribe the door guy $10 per person in your group and didn't have to wait. Inside was all you can drink for cheap and plenty of Spring Break titties.
It was a sketchy and run down shithole then, but the nightlight and debauchery made up for it. I can't even imagine how bad it is now. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 2:05:41 PM EDT
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Fair points. But I'm not sure the cartels are as sophisticated in their thinking as you suggest. They first want control of the most lucrative trade routes. Second, they want to ensure the product moves across the southern border. If they get both 1 and 2....the money flows. Avoiding undue US attention in Mexico will let them sort out 1. Keeping the border porous involves point 2. I think the cartels believe they can move product across the border irrespective of what the US does....so long as the US stays out of Mexico. You could put Chapo Guzman in a suit and he could step right in as CEO and run Wal-Mart without breaking a sweat. Do you know what we do when there's a fugitive hiding out in Mexico that we really, really want? We increase the number of inspections at the border crossings and increase aggressive patrolling away from the official crossings in the region that the cartel that's hiding that fugitive controls. Basically bring cross border traffic to a standstill. You then backchannel info to the cartels that this will continue until the "bad Hombre" is apprehended. The wanted Hombre will miraculously turn up on our side of the border within hours, all trussed up, no extradition required. The cross border drug trade is run like Wal-Mart distribution centers. It's a "just in time" stocking/sales model that requires precise logistics management. They don't want drugs or cash just sitting around inside the US because it's a target for LE or rival cartels. Anything that fucks with their logistics (like cross border truck traffic being backed up for several days) costs them millions in lost revenue every day. There's a balance that does have to be found with border control though because legitimate businesses lose their ass on logistics slowdowns as well. Shit's complicated Yo! |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 2:44:21 PM EDT
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I'll lay you odds we have (or can obtain within a day) the coordinates of every drug lord's compound, as well as their manufacturing facilities and weed and poppy farms. A few quick overflights with 500-pounders and incendiaries and most of this shit would stop overnight. Then we could go after the gangs. The crooked Mexican officials would scream like the stuck hogs they are, but we could just tell them the Russians did it. What could they do about it? The only real downside to this problem I see is collateral damage. They would parade the dead women and children in front of the media.
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Posted: 5/11/2017 2:58:06 PM EDT
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Friend was telling me about a PSD contract for an American fortune 500 company in Cancun a few years ago.
He said it was strait up like Bagdad. Drive around in soft or (armored Suburban's with M4's and you operate just like you would in Iraq protecting the VIP's families. He said they had badges, credentials giving the team police powers for the hole detail...I found hard to believe but its Mexico so who knows. Pay was really good and the threat to the clients was not to bad. Off days you where in Cancun so you could relax and or party in the party town. My cousin lives down there...for his church. He has been in Tijuana for the last 7 years or so. He has had to step over dead bodies in his nicer area condo steps in the past. For a white guy living there he said once the cops learn that you will not bribe, pay them they stop pulling you over and leave you alone. Told me that if your not in that life (drugs, gangs0 that you are fairly safe unless a stray bullet gets you. |
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