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Posted: 2/8/2023 10:30:53 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should see the crazy CAD setup one of the guys runs. It quite literally uses both hands plus a keyboard. It's nuts! You need to go in and one-up him. Hook up a flight joystick and map all the buttons to your different inputs. Its both hands and both feet. I've got this one. 30 buttons, 5+3 axes, 2 POVs. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/thrustmaster-t-16000m-fcs-flight-pack-black/6383456.p?skuId=6383456 
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Posted: 2/8/2023 10:52:24 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sensiblesidebuttons is a very simple fix for this. It doesn't capture all the side buttons. The Mac doesn't even see them. Tried a few tools. Currently using some Mac mouse fix tool that works OK. The Mac still sometimes gets confused and does the wrong thing or ignores a button press. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 10:56:49 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't capture all the side buttons. The Mac doesn't even see them. Tried a few tools. Currently using some Mac mouse fix tool that works OK. The Mac still sometimes gets confused and does the wrong thing or ignores a button press. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sensiblesidebuttons is a very simple fix for this. It doesn't capture all the side buttons. The Mac doesn't even see them. Tried a few tools. Currently using some Mac mouse fix tool that works OK. The Mac still sometimes gets confused and does the wrong thing or ignores a button press. How many side buttons do you have? If you’re talking one of those things with forty side buttons I don’t really care about them. I can’t hit buttons that tiny on a mouse anyway. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:00:00 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't capture all the side buttons. The Mac doesn't even see them. Tried a few tools. Currently using some Mac mouse fix tool that works OK. The Mac still sometimes gets confused and does the wrong thing or ignores a button press. PM what mouse you're referring to, what version is the OS and specifically what is/is not working the way you expect. with examples. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:03:35 AM EDT
[#5]
no right clicking on the mouse. otherwise it's fine, it delivers stupid videos of people getting hurt and porn just like a PC.
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:05:38 AM EDT
[#6]
Mac's are over-priced, shiny computers, for technophobes. I conversations with Mac users I try to limit myself to monosyllable words...
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:06:12 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP's endorsement makes me like my Mac less. Damn, shade coming from a FNG  
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:06:53 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, a typical  FIFY
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:07:08 AM EDT
[#9]
Why is GD full of these reddit type shit posts now?
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:17:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why is GD full of these reddit type shit posts now? Shit, I thought that was the point of GD
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:20:11 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mac's are over-priced, shiny computers, for technophobes. I conversations with Mac users I try to limit myself to monosyllable words... 
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:20:28 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many side buttons do you have? If you’re talking one of those things with forty side buttons I don’t really care about them. I can’t hit buttons that tiny on a mouse anyway. Looks like it has 8 buttons in total that can be mapped. It does have built in profiles and I’d be curious if they all have different default mappings out of the box. Wouldn’t be the first time someone fat fingered the profile change button and wondered why everything changed on them. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:25:12 AM EDT
[#13]
@right_rudder
What are the chances we'll get a mac with a touchscreen in the future? Thats another deal breaker for some of our guys. Some of them just like to use touchscreen, and some of them used them for medical reasons (same type of people who might use an AR brace actually as a brace). it doesn't seem like mac has any off the shelf products that come with a touchscreen, so that rules out all the laptops. I have tried a 3rd party touch screen monitor on the mac mini. It works, but its annoying to the point of not being worth the trouble. Windows and linux have good support, including gestures like pinch to zoom, multip touch, and swipe to navigate. My mac mini with an aftermarket touchscreen can't even act right when i just want touch and hold a button on the screen. Currently the best experience we've found is remote desktop. Use an existing laptop with proper touchscreen support and remote desktop into the mac with something like nomachine. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:32:42 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @right_rudder What are the chances we'll get a mac with a touchscreen in the future? Thats another deal breaker for some of our guys. Some of them just like to use touchscreen, and some of them used them for medical reasons (same type of people who might use an AR brace actually as a brace). it doesn't seem like mac has any off the shelf products that come with a touchscreen, so that rules out all the laptops. I have tried a 3rd party touch screen monitor on the mac mini. It works, but its annoying to the point of not being worth the trouble. Windows and linux have good support, including gestures like pinch to zoom, multip touch, and swipe to navigate. My mac mini with an aftermarket touchscreen can't even act right when i just want touch and hold a button on the screen. Get an iPad. Touch screen computers really suck. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:35:50 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get an iPad. Touch screen computers really suck. An ipad is a toy for watching videos and checking reddit. They are not running real operating systems that run real software. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:37:21 AM EDT
[#16]
Worst part about a Mac?
You don’t get to go laptop shopping every 2-3 years. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:38:06 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Currently have a Gskill ripjaws on the machine at work. Took about a half hour of BS to get even the thumb buttons to work on it. Yes, right and left click worked immediately but there is so much more to a mouse than that to be productive. You should see the crazy CAD setup one of the guys runs. It quite literally uses both hands plus a keyboard. It's nuts! I ended up having to use 3rd party software to even just use 2 of the extra buttons on the mouse and more remain unusable. It would drop my RAT 7 almost every time it went to sleep then I had to play musical USB ports for the next 5 minutes to get it working again. I use that RAT every day on other windows and Linux machines and have since about 2008. Works fine on everything but Mac except the raspberry pi apparently cannot handle it either. Oh dear. I'm primarily a shell user and I feel like I've made the right choice. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:38:48 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Worst part about a Mac? You don’t get to go laptop shopping every 2-3 years. But how else are you going to brag about buying a $1600 4090 to replace your year old $2000 3090 if you aren't buying new shit all the time?
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:41:25 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @right_rudder What are the chances we'll get a mac with a touchscreen in the future? Thats another deal breaker for some of our guys. Some of them just like to use touchscreen, and some of them used them for medical reasons (same type of people who might use an AR brace actually as a brace). it doesn't seem like mac has any off the shelf products that come with a touchscreen, so that rules out all the laptops. I have tried a 3rd party touch screen monitor on the mac mini. It works, but its annoying to the point of not being worth the trouble. Windows and linux have good support, including gestures like pinch to zoom, multip touch, and swipe to navigate. My mac mini with an aftermarket touchscreen can't even act right when i just want touch and hold a button on the screen. Currently the best experience we've found is remote desktop. Use an existing laptop with proper touchscreen support and remote desktop into the mac with something like nomachine.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:42:56 AM EDT
[#20]
When chat GPT writes a post.
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:43:06 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An ipad is a toy for watching videos and checking reddit. They are not running real operating systems that run real software. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:45:15 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An ipad is a toy for watching videos and checking reddit. They are not running real operating systems that run real software. https://www.techopedia.com/definition/31480/gorilla-arm |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:52:05 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They run the same system your Mac does. So if I grab my wife's ipad pro and somehow plug in a keyboard, mouse, and some iphones to it, i will be able to run xcode and build iOS apps and test them on other iphones? Can I pop open a terminal and run 'python3 -c "print(2+2)"'? |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:56:29 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An ipad is a toy for watching videos and checking reddit. They are not running real operating systems that run real software. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Get an iPad. Touch screen computers really suck. An ipad is a toy for watching videos and checking reddit. They are not running real operating systems that run real software. Ironically that’s what touchscreens are for, toys. But iPads are actually running MacOS mostly. They’re not really toys anymore. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:56:50 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if I grab my wife's ipad pro and somehow plug in a keyboard, mouse, and some iphones to it, i will be able to run xcode and build iOS apps and test them on other iphones? Can I pop open a terminal and run 'python3 -c "print(2+2)"'? but you're misunderstanding what I meant. The iPad is the Same OS as your Mac. Just because there isn't an iPad version of Xcode available doesn't mean it's any less useful.. just not useful for Xcode builds. More and more Xcode is going cloud based so shortly, yes.. you will be able to do that |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:57:55 AM EDT
[#26]
Quoted: Is that it expects you to be productive. It leaves little room for tinkering or ricing or exploring the internals of a computer. It expects us to be productive, organize our life, entertain ourselves, create something, or write applications at best. Not larp as a systems programmer. Apple wants to tell you: We got that last part covered, bro. And they're right: they do. You're never going to improve upon what they did here. It wants you to forget such delusions and write a song, or a cool app, or edit videos. It’s built for people who want to use a computer to do things, not people who are looking for a new hobby. The whole point of the design is for it to seamlessly disappear and get out of your way so you can get shit done. Because that’s why you have a computer, right? So you can do things with it? And that’s what the “I build my own PC” types hate most of all. They hate that macs make you accountable to your own work, versus the escapism of chasing some irrelevant performance gain, or investing time in a “totally sick” RGB layout, It just works. my Mac book Air is the best computer I have owned |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:58:47 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you hold the command key and spacebar does it give any feedback? Quote HistoryQuoted: When you hold the command key and spacebar does it give any feedback?  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:59:44 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if I grab my wife's ipad pro and somehow plug in a keyboard, mouse, and some iphones to it, i will be able to run xcode and build iOS apps and test them on other iphones? Can I pop open a terminal and run 'python3 -c "print(2+2)"'? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They run the same system your Mac does. So if I grab my wife's ipad pro and somehow plug in a keyboard, mouse, and some iphones to it, i will be able to run xcode and build iOS apps and test them on other iphones? Can I pop open a terminal and run 'python3 -c "print(2+2)"'? I don’t think you can run Xcode, but yes you can open up a terminal and do stuff in it on an iPad. Libterm is what I use on iPhone but it’s not really that necessary. You don’t need to plug in iPhones to do dev on them anymore, they can do all that wirelessly. The iPad has a keyboard & trackpad for it already built into the case. Not really useful for me so I don’t use them. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 12:04:16 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Spotlight search window opens  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 12:08:04 PM EDT
[#30]
After a career that saw the start of PCs, and decades working on Macs, Windows, and Unixy type systems, I agree that Mac does a coherent UI job. It's limiting, yes, as these things tend to be.
What saves it for me is the command line. Give me a terminal and my handy CLI tools and I am GTG. # brew --all-the-things And yes, finder blows. # find / -ls | grep one_thing |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 12:18:04 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: After a career that saw the start of PCs, and decades working on Macs, Windows, and Unixy type systems, I agree that Mac does a coherent UI job. It's limiting, yes, as these things tend to be. What saves it for me is the command line. Give me a terminal and my handy CLI tools and I am GTG. # brew --all-the-things And yes, finder blows. # find / -ls | grep one_thing I use brew all the time. Cmd-space spotlight generally finds whatever I need, I rarely have to run find in the terminal unless I want a specific list of files or something. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 12:21:12 PM EDT
[#32]
The worst part about a Mac.... is it reminds me how long I kept dicking around with Dell products, hoping they would work right.
I boxed up my last hot-shit Dell Windows machine and called Dell, told them if they wanted it they could have it back, bought my first Mac, and have never looked back. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 12:27:23 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I use brew all the time. Cmd-space spotlight generally finds whatever I need, I rarely have to run find in the terminal unless I want a specific list of files or something. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: After a career that saw the start of PCs, and decades working on Macs, Windows, and Unixy type systems, I agree that Mac does a coherent UI job. It's limiting, yes, as these things tend to be. What saves it for me is the command line. Give me a terminal and my handy CLI tools and I am GTG. # brew --all-the-things And yes, finder blows. # find / -ls | grep one_thing I use brew all the time. Cmd-space spotlight generally finds whatever I need, I rarely have to run find in the terminal unless I want a specific list of files or something. I agree with that. "Where's that file" is one thing. "I need all the files over this size with a ctime of this or that" or specifying some pattern with a regexp is where find rules. I probably use ps and top the most. And trace commands, when I need to know the things it will not speak aloud. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 12:32:21 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Change your keyboard shortcut for Siri.. you appear to have it set the same as spotlight. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/313055/E9D37786-0CCD-43F2-8305-4A0F2636DF6A_jpe-2703149.JPG |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 12:44:17 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mac's are over-priced, shiny computers, for technophobes. I conversations with Mac users I try to limit myself to monosyllable words... And yet here you are.  |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 12:56:41 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Changed to Option+Spacebar. Pushing them brings up box to type into Siri. Still not responding to "Hey Siri" by voice Requirements.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 1:18:40 PM EDT
[#37]
Found this and was able to get it to respond to "open Siri" by going into the "commands" menu and was able to get it to pull up weather, FaceTime by voice
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Posted: 2/8/2023 1:21:51 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Found this and was able to get it to respond to "open Siri" and Siri https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/111514/12B724AA-EDB0-45CD-A5CB-1C8B5D0E481B_jpe-2703210.JPG basically a shortcut for the keyboard shortcut |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 1:26:22 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. That's the old speech to text/voice commands. It'll work for opening the text box. basically a shortcut for the keyboard shortcut Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Found this and was able to get it to respond to "open Siri" and Siri https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/111514/12B724AA-EDB0-45CD-A5CB-1C8B5D0E481B_jpe-2703210.JPG basically a shortcut for the keyboard shortcut |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 1:38:34 PM EDT
[#40]
I really don’t find myself tinkering with my desktop PC anymore. I could if I wanted to, but I can’t remember the last time something stopped me or even slowed me down when I wanted to get something creative done. My windows laptop and Mac laptop are both the same in that regard - I open them up, throw in a password, and do what I need to do. I’m a bit slower on the Mac since I’m more familiar with windows though.
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Posted: 2/8/2023 1:41:36 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Worst part about a Mac? You don’t get to go laptop shopping every 2-3 years. Pay the same price for an ultra book PC that you would for a MacBook and you’ll get a similar lifetime out of it. Problem is, most people buy $200-800 laptop PCs and expect them to last as long as an $1800 MacBook. My Lenovo Yoga is 2-3 years old and is doing great. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 1:42:49 PM EDT
[#42]
Quoted: ...snip It leaves little room for tinkering or ricing or exploring the internals of a computer. It expects us to be productive, organize our life, entertain ourselves, create something, or write applications at best. Not larp as a systems programmer. ...end snip You can get under the hood all you want. It IS unix. I use ZSH and iTerm2 probably as much as I use any of the fancy stuff... |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 1:44:01 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except for "Finder". After decades of using Windows and Explorer for organizing my files, Mac absolutely sucks donkey balls for this. I wouldn't call myself computer illiterate, but after nearly five years with a MacBook Air, I still have troubles with the file system. Hell, I've created folders and moved files into them and sometimes I can find them, maybe, if I hold my tongue just right and it's the fourth Wednesday of the month. Most times, they are just... gone. Really that's the only quibble I have with my Mac but it's enough that I'll likely not get another one when (if) this one dies. I even refurbed an older Windows laptap just to store music, pictures, and movies on so I can find what I want and organize it however I want. I've never had an issue with finder, but that's me. I use multiple operating systems, including OpenVMS, so file and directory structure differences don't seem to bother me much. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 2:16:30 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mac's are over-priced, shiny computers, for technophobes. I conversations with Mac users I try to limit myself to monosyllable words... Lol so close, yet so far |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 2:17:40 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They run the same system your Mac does. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: An ipad is a toy for watching videos and checking reddit. They are not running real operating systems that run real software. Thaaat’s probably how I got the mis-impression I did…
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Posted: 2/8/2023 2:25:29 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted: Is that it expects you to be productive. It leaves little room for tinkering or ricing or exploring the internals of a computer. It expects us to be productive, organize our life, entertain ourselves, create something, or write applications at best. Not larp as a systems programmer. Apple wants to tell you: We got that last part covered, bro. And they're right: they do. You're never going to improve upon what they did here. It wants you to forget such delusions and write a song, or a cool app, or edit videos. It's built for people who want to use a computer to do things, not people who are looking for a new hobby. The whole point of the design is for it to seamlessly disappear and get out of your way so you can get shit done. Because that's why you have a computer, right? So you can do things with it? And that's what the "I build my own PC" types hate most of all. They hate that macs make you accountable to your own work, versus the escapism of chasing some irrelevant performance gain, or investing time in a "totally sick" RGB layout, It just works. That's not what I hate about them. It's the cost and the integrated boards where you can't upgrade or work on anything. And I say this as someone who started in the Apple II world, upgraded to the IIGS back when it was Apple II forever, and then switched when Apple essentially dropped the Apple II GS for the Mac right after we bought one. I've been mostly in the Windows/Linux world since then. I'm someone who finally broke down and bought a mini so I could support Macs easier. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 2:31:10 PM EDT
[#47]
I got a Mac Studio with M1 Max. The thing is a beast.
Parallels is awesome. I can have Mac Windows and Linux running on 3 different screens and do literally anything I want. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 4:18:28 PM EDT
[#48]
Quoted: Thaaat's probably how I got the mis-impression I did Quoted: That's not what I hate about them. It's the cost and the integrated boards where you can't upgrade or work on anything. And I say this as someone who started in the Apple II world, upgraded to the IIGS back when it was Apple II forever, and then switched when Apple essentially dropped the Apple II GS for the Mac right after we bought one. I've been mostly in the Windows/Linux world since then. I'm someone who finally broke down and bought a mini so I could support Macs easier. Quoted: I got a Mac Studio with M1 Max. The thing is a beast. Parallels is awesome. I can have Mac Windows and Linux running on 3 different screens and do literally anything I want. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 5:10:18 PM EDT
[#49]
Okay, there is this. Sound.
Windows -- fuck Windows right in the ass. Let me get that out of the way first, so there's no confusion. Fuck Windows, Fuck Microsoft. Never has a company with so great an advantage done so little with so much. (Not true, but it's a good rant.) Unix/Linux -- yeah, okay, this has historically been a pain in the ass, especially when open-source drivers were scarcer. You can do it, but you're going to go elbows-deep doing anything interesting, and get ready to start stopping/starting services and swearing wildly at PulseAudio. Go easy on the caffeine. Mac -- I just set up a couple multi-output devices and tested them. Wired, with a mix of output devices, a USB sound card and a headphone jack cable and generally a WTF setup visually; and then bluetooth. I was listening to sound a few minutes later. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 5:14:14 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay, there is this. Sound. Windows -- fuck Windows right in the ass. Let me get that out of the way first, so there's no confusion. Fuck Windows, Fuck Microsoft. Never has a company with so great an advantage done so little with so much. (Not true, but it's a good rant.) Unix/Linux -- yeah, okay, this has historically been a pain in the ass, especially when open-source drivers were scarcer. You can do it, but you're going to go elbows-deep doing anything interesting, and get ready to start stopping/starting services and swearing wildly at PulseAudio. Go easy on the caffeine. Mac -- I just set up a couple multi-output devices and tested them. Wired, with a mix of output devices, a USB sound card and a headphone jack cable and generally a WTF setup visually; and then bluetooth. I was listening to sound a few minutes later. What I'd really want to see in OSX is the ability to force the volume level of apps at the system level like you can with Windows volume Mixer. |
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