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Posted: 1/17/2020 9:37:58 PM EDT
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The population has absolutely exploded here. I can literally drive 100 miles and almost every single pole has a hawk on it. They were very rare to see when I was a kid.
I live in a huge wetlands area, and have yet to see one actually eating a game bird. 99% of the kills I've seen are pigeons, rats, and squirrels. |
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Posted: 1/17/2020 9:40:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2020 9:44:57 PM EDT
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I drive by Salt River fairly often and about 60% of the time spot an osprey in the area.
If you think Hawks are big, ospreys are bigger. The only raptor larger is an eagle. |
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Posted: 1/17/2020 9:45:08 PM EDT
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Seen them in pairs, but never triplets. Saw a pair of brown foxes today.
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Posted: 1/17/2020 9:45:23 PM EDT
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You mean like squirrels? So cooper hawks kill quail and red tailed kill squirrels, just for examples. My argument is that they're destructive in the amount of game they kill. Which they are. Only GD would say the national wildlife federation is wrong lol |
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Posted: 1/17/2020 9:51:35 PM EDT
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I read your posts in the voice of your avatar. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You leave my animal brothers(sisters, too, I just can’t tell them apart) alone. I wanted a really cool, dangerous spirit animal, like a grizzly bear or great white shark. Instead, I got red-tail hawks, but it’s cool... I speak much faster than ol’ Graham does, and spin long-winded stories for a long time without repeating myself. I probably would have been a decent Peace Chief back in the Old Days, with the ability to schmooze or baffle my tribe’s opponents. |
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Posted: 1/17/2020 9:56:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that’s what it takes you to get through my stories, then go for it. I speak much faster than ol’ Graham does, and spin long-winded stories for a long time without repeating myself. I probably would have been a decent Peace Chief back in the Old Days, with the ability to schmooze or baffle my tribe’s opponents. |
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Posted: 1/17/2020 10:08:44 PM EDT
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We don't see a lot of red tails around here because it's more marshy. Mostly red-shoulders. https://pbase.com/rikwriter/image/110095095.jpg I have seen some red-tails north of here though. https://pbase.com/rikwriter/image/142096294.jpg  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/17/2020 10:33:00 PM EDT
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You mean like squirrels? So cooper hawks kill quail and red tailed kill squirrels, just for examples. My argument is that they're destructive in the amount of game they kill. Which they are. Only GD would say the national wildlife federation is wrong lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The story you posted above is about a Cooper’s hawk, which is a bird-eating accipiter. Red Tailed hawks (buteo) primarily eat rodents. You are advocating the killing of something based on a false argument. And to counter that story, cats are responsible for the predation of quail to a much greater extent than birds of prey. If you want to make a difference shoot feral cats. So cooper hawks kill quail and red tailed kill squirrels, just for examples. My argument is that they're destructive in the amount of game they kill. Which they are. Only GD would say the national wildlife federation is wrong lol Raptors are relatively uncommon. They are hardly “destructive.” As a natural part of the ecosystem their population sizes lag prey populations. That means that their populations NATURALLY adjust to prey population sizes. No need to “manage” their populations. Non-natural predators like cats are NOT part of the natural ecosystem. Their populations do NOT lag prey populations because they are artificially supported by humans. They are far more common than raptors and their effects are VASTLY (most estimates are that cats kill something like 2-3 BILLION birds a year) more “destructive.” If you want to talk about species like quail, look no further than ecosystem destruction and loss of habitat. Unlike other species they typically require open rangeland/scrub. |
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Posted: 1/17/2020 11:18:04 PM EDT
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This thread went full retard.
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Posted: 1/17/2020 11:21:37 PM EDT
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This thread went full retard. |
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Posted: 1/17/2020 11:22:04 PM EDT
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This thread went full retard. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 3:02:00 AM EDT
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Ok, Arthur. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If that’s what it takes you to get through my stories, then go for it. I speak much faster than ol’ Graham does, and spin long-winded stories for a long time without repeating myself. I probably would have been a decent Peace Chief back in the Old Days, with the ability to schmooze or baffle my tribe’s opponents. 
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Posted: 1/18/2020 4:18:20 AM EDT
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A few of photos that I took last Sunday. It was a long shot and a seriously overcast day. Decided to go vintage when I processed them to salvage them.
These are low resolution copies of the originals.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 4:27:44 AM EDT
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I seen a red tail hawk the other week running around through the bushes hunting.
I have never seen one hunt like that, it was funny. Love those birds.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 4:34:45 AM EDT
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I seen a red tail hawk the other week running around through the bushes hunting. I have never seen one hunt like that, it was funny. Love those birds. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/33050/Red-tailed-hawk-Fire-Jeff-Robinson_jpg-1238881.JPG |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:15:15 AM EDT
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They are and wreck populations of animals people like to hunt. They're not endangered anymore and should at least have a season or something. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:17:47 AM EDT
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Who’s the Arfcommer who shot video of the red tail nailing mice that he set out on his porch railing? All you could see was the mouse, then WHAM, the talons smash down on the mouse like something out of a Godzilla movie. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:18:02 AM EDT
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I seen a red tail hawk the other week running around through the bushes hunting. I have never seen one hunt like that, it was funny. Love those birds. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/33050/Red-tailed-hawk-Fire-Jeff-Robinson_jpg-1238881.JPG |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:20:39 AM EDT
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You leave my animal brothers(sisters, too, I just can't tell them apart) alone. I wanted a really cool, dangerous spirit animal, like a grizzly bear or great white shark. Instead, I got red-tail hawks, but it's cool... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Should be treated the same as Groundhogs, Feral Cats and Feral Pigs. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:22:12 AM EDT
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Should be treated the same as Groundhogs, Feral Cats and Feral Pigs. 
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:25:34 AM EDT
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They are federally protected by the MBTA and can not be hunted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Should be treated the same as Groundhogs, Feral Cats and Feral Pigs. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:26:37 AM EDT
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Duh. I know. The MBTA is wrong in many ways. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are federally protected by the MBTA and can not be hunted. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:35:06 AM EDT
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I have a nesting pair of Bald Eagles in my backyard. They're pretty awesome.
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:39:16 AM EDT
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We have idiots here that shoot raptors? GD never dissapoints. Just when you think the IQ level has hit bottom somebody shows up with a backhoe.
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:42:47 AM EDT
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I'd say those are pretty good signs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I sure could use some of their help in the eyesight department. My myopic ass needs to get to the eye doctor for new glasses soon. I’m only half serious about spirit animals, and I honestly don’t know how it’s supposed to work, but I have an interesting(to me, anyway) story about red tails and me. I once got really lost in rural Arkansas after delivering a load of pipe to a job-site, and the ‘shortcut’ back to I-40 got me even more lost. It was getting dark, no sun, pre cell phone, my map didn’t show the road I was on, and I was a new driver. I got to a T-intersection and there was a hawk sitting on the sign. It turned its head and looked to the left & back at me a few times. I took it as a sing, turned left and followed the road to another T-intersection and found another hawk, this one looking to the right. This continued several more times until I could see 40 off in the distance, at which point I saw no more hawks. Another time Mrs. IHJ came to pick me up from work, but couldn’t find which truck was mine. There were 100 identical tractors parked in rows & I was asleep in the back of one of them. She circled the lot until she saw a hawk sitting on a lamp post right above my truck, so she stopped. The hawk dipped its head a few times and then flew off, and Mrs. IHJ’s knock on the door woke me up. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:45:18 AM EDT
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This time of year, Bald Eagles and a few Goldens, are everywhere. They follow the migrating snow geese and eat the wounded and dead. With 100,000 snow geese around, several die every day.
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:45:47 AM EDT
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You know, I have hunted a lot in my life. Never had a problem killing animals for food or because they're being a nuisance. But I never once killed an animal because I felt like it was a rival for other game. It just sounds so fucking stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread went full retard. 
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:48:36 AM EDT
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STFU, if there were no predators, you would be up to your ass in duck, turkey, and what ever the fuck else shit. Wake the fuck up. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:52:09 AM EDT
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Probably last years brood. Too young to mate. Too old to stay at home with mom and dad. I've seen 2 in a tree a few times at the homestead. Seeing 3 Pileated Woodpeckers was pretty exciting though.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 10:52:28 AM EDT
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Is that the bird that was running through the bushes? I ask because the behavior description sounds like a Harris hawk. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I seen a red tail hawk the other week running around through the bushes hunting. I have never seen one hunt like that, it was funny. Love those birds. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/33050/Red-tailed-hawk-Fire-Jeff-Robinson_jpg-1238881.JPG It very well may have been a Harris Hawk. It posted up on my back yard view fence then flew to the ground following a foot pursuit of a rabbit or something. It was really a neat event. Red tails are far more common here but I do believe we get Harris Hawks as well. It was a juvenile and had the lighter peppered colors. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 11:49:24 AM EDT
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Modern farming practices have far more to do with the declining population then hawks. Our ranches have been wiped out since they where protected. Hard as hell to raise your own birds and snake numbers are increasing with the decline in ground birds. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 11:53:34 AM EDT
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They are federally protected by the MBTA and can not be hunted. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 11:57:14 AM EDT
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Oh no! What would we do with all those delicious animals? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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STFU, if there were no predators, you would be up to your ass in duck, turkey, and what ever the fuck else shit. Wake the fuck up. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 11:57:38 AM EDT
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It has also revealed frequent erections and in some cases, masturbation. In fact, most mammals do in fact masturbate. The Galapagos Shafter Monkey is a frequent offender. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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High speed photography has revealed that bats have a fairly high number of mid-air collisions :-) In fact, most mammals do in fact masturbate. The Galapagos Shafter Monkey is a frequent offender. 
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Posted: 1/18/2020 11:58:32 AM EDT
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I’ve seen more hawks near my house in FL and woods this year than the last 16 years. Not sure why but welcome. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:00:07 PM EDT
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A few of photos that I took last Sunday. It was a long shot and a seriously overcast day. Decided to go vintage when I processed them to salvage them. These are low resolution copies of the originals. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71308/SMALL_VINTAGE_3_jpg-1238877.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71308/SMALL_VINTAGE_1_jpg-1238878.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71308/SMALL_VINTAGE_2_jpg-1238880.JPG AWESOME! |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:00:19 PM EDT
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Do they all go blind? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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High speed photography has revealed that bats have a fairly high number of mid-air collisions :-) In fact, most mammals do in fact masturbate. The Galapagos Shafter Monkey is a frequent offender. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:02:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which birds are destructive? Which studies are those? Raptors are relatively uncommon. They are hardly “destructive.” As a natural part of the ecosystem their population sizes lag prey populations. That means that their populations NATURALLY adjust to prey population sizes. No need to “manage” their populations. Non-natural predators like cats are NOT part of the natural ecosystem. Their populations do NOT lag prey populations because they are artificially supported by humans. They are far more common than raptors and their effects are VASTLY (most estimates are that cats kill something like 2-3 BILLION birds a year) more “destructive.” If you want to talk about species like quail, look no further than ecosystem destruction and loss of habitat. Unlike other species they typically require open rangeland/scrub. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:02:39 PM EDT
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The incompetent likely do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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High speed photography has revealed that bats have a fairly high number of mid-air collisions :-) In fact, most mammals do in fact masturbate. The Galapagos Shafter Monkey is a frequent offender. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:07:13 PM EDT
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The older ones can't spurt in their eyes anymore, so they no longer have to worry. Ask me how I know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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High speed photography has revealed that bats have a fairly high number of mid-air collisions :-) In fact, most mammals do in fact masturbate. The Galapagos Shafter Monkey is a frequent offender. Do you have photos?  You used post 54k above. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:07:16 PM EDT
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The population has absolutely exploded here. I can literally drive 100 miles and almost every single pole has a hawk on it. They were very rare to see when I was a kid. I live in a huge wetlands area, and have yet to see one actually eating a game bird. 99% of the kills I've seen are pigeons, rats, and squirrels. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:10:04 PM EDT
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We get a lot of pileated woodpeckers and stellar jays, both of which are very large and hugely aggressive.
Best is a group of small hawk or kestrel that migrate through. We had three sitting up in a tall fir this fall that took turns diving down to the birdfeeder...which I wouldn't have expected. Didn't know they were migratory, either. They stayed at it for a half hour or more, then flew on. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 2:57:24 PM EDT
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@ZeroTolerance AWESOME! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A few of photos that I took last Sunday. It was a long shot and a seriously overcast day. Decided to go vintage when I processed them to salvage them. These are low resolution copies of the originals. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71308/SMALL_VINTAGE_3_jpg-1238877.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71308/SMALL_VINTAGE_1_jpg-1238878.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71308/SMALL_VINTAGE_2_jpg-1238880.JPG AWESOME! Thank you. 
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Posted: 1/18/2020 6:59:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2020 7:35:16 PM EDT
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Absolutely correct, wasn't Hawks, any other non human animal, or even fire ants, it was habitat destruction, mostly the killing of, and replacement of native grasses with non native invasive like Bermuda. My county is void of quail since the mid 1980s. It began in the mid 1970s when folks here started to switch from crop based ag to livestock based ag. Within a decade the quail were gone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Which birds are destructive? Which studies are those? Raptors are relatively uncommon. They are hardly “destructive.” As a natural part of the ecosystem their population sizes lag prey populations. That means that their populations NATURALLY adjust to prey population sizes. No need to “manage” their populations. Non-natural predators like cats are NOT part of the natural ecosystem. Their populations do NOT lag prey populations because they are artificially supported by humans. They are far more common than raptors and their effects are VASTLY (most estimates are that cats kill something like 2-3 BILLION birds a year) more “destructive.” If you want to talk about species like quail, look no further than ecosystem destruction and loss of habitat. Unlike other species they typically require open rangeland/scrub. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 8:16:24 PM EDT
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You mean like squirrels? So cooper hawks kill quail and red tailed kill squirrels, just for examples. My argument is that they're destructive in the amount of game they kill. Which they are. Only GD would say the national wildlife federation is wrong lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The story you posted above is about a Cooper’s hawk, which is a bird-eating accipiter. Red Tailed hawks (buteo) primarily eat rodents. You are advocating the killing of something based on a false argument. And to counter that story, cats are responsible for the predation of quail to a much greater extent than birds of prey. If you want to make a difference shoot feral cats. So cooper hawks kill quail and red tailed kill squirrels, just for examples. My argument is that they're destructive in the amount of game they kill. Which they are. Only GD would say the national wildlife federation is wrong lol |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 11:12:29 PM EDT
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We have idiots here that shoot raptors? GD never dissapoints. Just when you think the IQ level has hit bottom somebody shows up with a backhoe. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 11:26:04 PM EDT
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Not only that, post publicly about it, despite the COC. 
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Posted: 1/18/2020 11:28:41 PM EDT
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Not only that, post publicly about it, despite the COC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have idiots here that shoot raptors? GD never dissapoints. Just when you think the IQ level has hit bottom somebody shows up with a backhoe. |
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