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Posted: 9/27/2023 12:29:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A local site development/surface mining company has plenty of new hires walk in the door, yet less than half of them pass the drug test or flat-out refuse to take it (they are warned ahead of time that passing an observed drug test is a condition of employment). A significant portion of new hires don't show up for their first day without notice. They don't shy away from hiring felons, probationers, people with suspended licenses, etc. Either they can't pass a simple drug test or they don't want to work. YMMV Low pay = low class and unintelligent people. It’s ain’t rocket science but somehow the people running companies that do blue collar work can figure it out. Want people who show up to work everyday in time? Want people who are smart and will do good work? Want people that can operate without someone constantly looking over their shoulder? Want people who can pass a drug test and continue to pass them? Well do you? Then increase the pay to what it takes to attract those kind of people even if it means you personally make less money each year. It’s not that people don’t want to work. They just don’t want to work for you based on the pay and benefits you are offering in exchange for their time and effort. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 1:37:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Low pay = low class and unintelligent people. It’s ain’t rocket science but somehow the people running companies that do blue collar work can figure it out. Want people who show up to work everyday in time? Want people who are smart and will do good work? Want people that can operate without someone constantly looking over their shoulder? Want people who can pass a drug test and continue to pass them? Well do you? Then increase the pay to what it takes to attract those kind of people even if it means you personally make less money each year. It’s not that people don’t want to work. They just don’t want to work for you based on the pay and benefits you are offering in exchange for their time and effort. What you're saying would make sense, if the people they're hiring weren't aware of the pay they were signing up for. Everyone and their dog has a medical marijuana card, which makes them unemployable with a company regulated by DOT and MSHA. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 2:19:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems very, very hard to take- For those boomers that came of age in the 60s, And struggled- Just how much they sucked at life. And almost as hard to take, for those that crushed it like a boss- How much they would NOT have been able to pull off under the current economic situation. Boomers got a shot at the NBA when the average player was 6’4” and the rim was at 9ft tall and the three point line was 18.7 feet. And it absolutely burns them. What a hard to take about his post was that despite his customs about low wages and unaffordable housing, my company is desperate for skilled trades people, even entry level kids with no skill that are paid well to start…. I make a comfortable middle class lifestyle and rarely work overtime, I have never had a problem meeting my monthly bills…. The problem is that people want to push the radio button and get there in life without having to invest themselves. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 10:47:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Using the numbers he gave, more like 3X the pay, with 50% increased COL, which is mostly housing. You do realize a 200% pay increase with a 50% increased cost of living is very unique? And the opposite of the higher end professions. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 10:59:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Low pay = low class and unintelligent people. It’s ain’t rocket science but somehow the people running companies that do blue collar work can figure it out. Want people who show up to work everyday in time? Want people who are smart and will do good work? Want people that can operate without someone constantly looking over their shoulder? Want people who can pass a drug test and continue to pass them? Well do you? Then increase the pay to what it takes to attract those kind of people even if it means you personally make less money each year. It’s not that people don’t want to work. They just don’t want to work for you based on the pay and benefits you are offering in exchange for their time and effort. I think most people understand this. The greed of the top 0.1 to 0.01% does not care. The people doing these jobs, on the other hand, also don’t seem to care that I’d their company can’t stamp out the washer and dryer insert pieces for a profit, or produce them for 87X dollars or less, nobody is going to buy them. The value of the labor of some is so low unskilled/uneducated/unnoteworthy types may not be worth more than what .gov subsidizes people who don’t work at. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 12:24:37 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Every time this comes up for discussion few ever call out the real reason this is. There are simply not enough people to support the level of services we have now to sustain the population at today's level. We will see a inverse affect of this once the boomers begin to decline faster... we are just around the half way point now so have a number of years to go. Since birth rates are very low; low experience jobs are few and far taken as simply not enough young people to fill them. In professional levels you have the opposite affect; not anywhere near the amount of skilled labor to fill all of them boomers are exiting and a price war is happening for a select group. I am in this group and see it; it will continue to get worse unless brand new labor comes in to fill the gap and a retraction of services most of us are accustomed too. End if discussion. Just wait till another 20 years when no one is taking care of the elderly. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 8:32:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone from the south should automatically know that a white southern named Wilton is a country club elitist that just tells the country bumpkins from his district what they want to hear. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Republican lawmakers in FL fought a mandatory e-verify bill because it would personally affect their businesses. The current State Commissioner of Agriculture & Consumer Services and previous State Senate President squashed the e-verify bill multiple times. Why? Because his poultry business would have no labor. Mind you, he campaigned on being tought on immigration and wanting the borders closed and illegals deported. Anyone from the south should automatically know that a white southern named Wilton is a country club elitist that just tells the country bumpkins from his district what they want to hear. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 8:34:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What you're saying would make sense, if the people they're hiring weren't aware of the pay they were signing up for. Everyone and their dog has a medical marijuana card, which makes them unemployable with a company regulated by DOT and MSHA. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Low pay = low class and unintelligent people. It's ain't rocket science but somehow the people running companies that do blue collar work can figure it out. Want people who show up to work everyday in time? Want people who are smart and will do good work? Want people that can operate without someone constantly looking over their shoulder? Want people who can pass a drug test and continue to pass them? Well do you? Then increase the pay to what it takes to attract those kind of people even if it means you personally make less money each year. It's not that people don't want to work. They just don't want to work for you based on the pay and benefits you are offering in exchange for their time and effort. What you're saying would make sense, if the people they're hiring weren't aware of the pay they were signing up for. Everyone and their dog has a medical marijuana card, which makes them unemployable with a company regulated by DOT and MSHA. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 8:35:11 AM EDT
[#9]
It’s been this way since the spring/summer of 2020.
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Posted: 9/28/2023 8:35:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think most people understand this. The greed of the top 0.1 to 0.01% does not care. The people doing these jobs, on the other hand, also don't seem to care that I'd their company can't stamp out the washer and dryer insert pieces for a profit, or produce them for 87X dollars or less, nobody is going to buy them. The value of the labor of some is so low unskilled/uneducated/unnoteworthy types may not be worth more than what .gov subsidizes people who don't work at. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Low pay = low class and unintelligent people. It's ain't rocket science but somehow the people running companies that do blue collar work can figure it out. Want people who show up to work everyday in time? Want people who are smart and will do good work? Want people that can operate without someone constantly looking over their shoulder? Want people who can pass a drug test and continue to pass them? Well do you? Then increase the pay to what it takes to attract those kind of people even if it means you personally make less money each year. It's not that people don't want to work. They just don't want to work for you based on the pay and benefits you are offering in exchange for their time and effort. I think most people understand this. The greed of the top 0.1 to 0.01% does not care. The people doing these jobs, on the other hand, also don't seem to care that I'd their company can't stamp out the washer and dryer insert pieces for a profit, or produce them for 87X dollars or less, nobody is going to buy them. The value of the labor of some is so low unskilled/uneducated/unnoteworthy types may not be worth more than what .gov subsidizes people who don't work at. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 8:48:25 AM EDT
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Baby Boomers are so old even they are starting to be forced to retire. The illegal aliens we've flooded the country with are unskilled and uneducated so they don't possess the credentials necessary to be employed.
This is a good thing. The power is shifting to labor now and unions will become stronger. Salaries will be forced to finally improve and benefits as well. Job security will improve (rather keep a subpar employee than have no employee at all and be short handed). |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 10:35:18 AM EDT
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Christie said we need Immigrants for these jobs last night.
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Posted: 9/28/2023 5:25:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Christie said we need Immigrants for these jobs last night. Piff, cut 90% of ALL welfare and we'd have plenty of workers. Ultra Fatties get nothing at all no matter their ''disability.'' [unless actually mentally retarded] |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 5:46:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: End if discussion. Just wait till another 20 years when no one is taking care of the elderly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Every time this comes up for discussion few ever call out the real reason this is. There are simply not enough people to support the level of services we have now to sustain the population at today's level. We will see a inverse affect of this once the boomers begin to decline faster... we are just around the half way point now so have a number of years to go. Since birth rates are very low; low experience jobs are few and far taken as simply not enough young people to fill them. In professional levels you have the opposite affect; not anywhere near the amount of skilled labor to fill all of them boomers are exiting and a price war is happening for a select group. I am in this group and see it; it will continue to get worse unless brand new labor comes in to fill the gap and a retraction of services most of us are accustomed too. End if discussion. Just wait till another 20 years when no one is taking care of the elderly. Muh inheritance!  |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 6:17:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what all the folks from the NE do. They collect their fat pensions, sell their shitty places for over $750k, and move to FL, driving up home prices. To them, $500k for a house is a steal, all while the locals are fucked because median pay here is under $50k a year. Retiring Californians have absolutely destroyed the housing market in Boise in exactly the same way. Local people can’t afford to live there anymore. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 6:40:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From what I read on here, Millennials and Gen Z-ers plan to smother mommy and daddy with a pillow in their sleep as soon as they're feeble enough. Muh inheritance! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Every time this comes up for discussion few ever call out the real reason this is. There are simply not enough people to support the level of services we have now to sustain the population at today's level. We will see a inverse affect of this once the boomers begin to decline faster... we are just around the half way point now so have a number of years to go. Since birth rates are very low; low experience jobs are few and far taken as simply not enough young people to fill them. In professional levels you have the opposite affect; not anywhere near the amount of skilled labor to fill all of them boomers are exiting and a price war is happening for a select group. I am in this group and see it; it will continue to get worse unless brand new labor comes in to fill the gap and a retraction of services most of us are accustomed too. End if discussion. Just wait till another 20 years when no one is taking care of the elderly. Muh inheritance! Plenty of guys here gonna get smothered by their leftoid Antifa offspring.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 6:55:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From what I read on here, Millennials and Gen Z-ers plan to smother mommy and daddy with a pillow in their sleep as soon as they're feeble enough. Muh inheritance! 
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Posted: 9/28/2023 6:56:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Piff, cut 90% of ALL welfare and we'd have plenty of workers. Ultra Fatties get nothing at all no matter their ''disability.'' [unless actually mentally retarded] Yup and we would see high school age kids go back to work and do something. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 7:00:49 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Low pay = low class and unintelligent people. It’s ain’t rocket science but somehow the people running companies that do blue collar work can figure it out. Want people who show up to work everyday in time? Want people who are smart and will do good work? Want people that can operate without someone constantly looking over their shoulder? Want people who can pass a drug test and continue to pass them? Well do you? Then increase the pay to what it takes to attract those kind of people even if it means you personally make less money each year. It’s not that people don’t want to work. They just don’t want to work for you based on the pay and benefits you are offering in exchange for their time and effort. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A local site development/surface mining company has plenty of new hires walk in the door, yet less than half of them pass the drug test or flat-out refuse to take it (they are warned ahead of time that passing an observed drug test is a condition of employment). A significant portion of new hires don't show up for their first day without notice. They don't shy away from hiring felons, probationers, people with suspended licenses, etc. Either they can't pass a simple drug test or they don't want to work. YMMV Low pay = low class and unintelligent people. It’s ain’t rocket science but somehow the people running companies that do blue collar work can figure it out. Want people who show up to work everyday in time? Want people who are smart and will do good work? Want people that can operate without someone constantly looking over their shoulder? Want people who can pass a drug test and continue to pass them? Well do you? Then increase the pay to what it takes to attract those kind of people even if it means you personally make less money each year. It’s not that people don’t want to work. They just don’t want to work for you based on the pay and benefits you are offering in exchange for their time and effort. At a certain level, it’s simply not worth it. Sell product for $100 Pay workers $110 Profit is -$10 Close doors to business, and walk away |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 7:12:30 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Retiring Californians have absolutely destroyed the housing market in Boise in exactly the same way. Local people can’t afford to live there anymore. They were told to "move to a free state" So when they had an opportunity they did. Shouldn't everyone wish to be so lucky? Then when you get there and the locals complain you get to tell them to work harder and be above average. This nation was founded on equal opportunity not equal outcome. Those locals has the same opportunity to chase higher earnings in thier careers. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 7:18:53 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: End if discussion. Just wait till another 20 years when no one is taking care of the elderly. That's going to be ugly. Its a problem that's already starting to bite in China. There's a book called 2030 where this is the thing that drives most of the plot. But in that book they also have a foolproof cure for cancer and anti aging tech far beyond anything available even to the ultra rich today. Which left a baffling question. If you're over 80 with the body of a healthy 42 year old and you're bored to tears. Why not just go back to work? Doesn't look like we are going to see that here.  Eh, the author was a dingbat anyway. One of those people who seem to think that any and all problems in the world can be solved by shoving a gun in someone's face. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 7:25:30 PM EDT
[#22]
my current place a year ago was really nice, now they can't hire factory workers on 3rd shift who won't fling poo in the stalls
 they are literally hiring if you have a pulse and the door is very slow rotating as they can't make the attendance or can't do the simple jobs. so glad I'm in the office I walked the plant today and walked into one of the bathrooms and they used to be clean. Was filthy and all stalls full of people and I could hear tv shows playing on their phones and more. This was mid shift. It was never like this and it's been a slow decline that is speeding up |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 7:52:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: my current place a year ago was really nice, now they can't hire factory workers on 3rd shift who won't fling poo in the stalls they are literally hiring if you have a pulse and the door is very slow rotating as they can't make the attendance or can't do the simple jobs. so glad I'm in the office I walked the plant today and walked into one of the bathrooms and they used to be clean. Was filthy and all stalls full of people and I could hear tv shows playing on their phones and more. This was mid shift. It was never like this and it's been a slow decline that is speeding up I'm going to assume if that's what you're seeing on the production floor that either the compensation, the work environment or both are absolutely terrible compared to your competitors. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 9:15:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were told to "move to a free state" So when they had an opportunity they did. Shouldn't everyone wish to be so lucky? Then when you get there and the locals complain you get to tell them to work harder and be above average. This nation was founded on equal opportunity not equal outcome. Those locals has the same opportunity to chase higher earnings in thier careers. If I moved to Cali and did the exact same job I would most likely quadruple my pay. Think about that for a second. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 9:20:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: my current place a year ago was really nice, now they can't hire factory workers on 3rd shift who won't fling poo in the stalls they are literally hiring if you have a pulse and the door is very slow rotating as they can't make the attendance or can't do the simple jobs. so glad I'm in the office I walked the plant today and walked into one of the bathrooms and they used to be clean. Was filthy and all stalls full of people and I could hear tv shows playing on their phones and more. This was mid shift. It was never like this and it's been a slow decline that is speeding up Thank the HR girl for keeping wages down. Her decision to bring in illegals has really helped things. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 9:29:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At a certain level, it's simply not worth it. Sell product for $100 Pay workers $110 Profit is -$10 Close doors to business, and walk away Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A local site development/surface mining company has plenty of new hires walk in the door, yet less than half of them pass the drug test or flat-out refuse to take it (they are warned ahead of time that passing an observed drug test is a condition of employment). A significant portion of new hires don't show up for their first day without notice. They don't shy away from hiring felons, probationers, people with suspended licenses, etc. Either they can't pass a simple drug test or they don't want to work. YMMV Low pay = low class and unintelligent people. It's ain't rocket science but somehow the people running companies that do blue collar work can figure it out. Want people who show up to work everyday in time? Want people who are smart and will do good work? Want people that can operate without someone constantly looking over their shoulder? Want people who can pass a drug test and continue to pass them? Well do you? Then increase the pay to what it takes to attract those kind of people even if it means you personally make less money each year. It's not that people don't want to work. They just don't want to work for you based on the pay and benefits you are offering in exchange for their time and effort. At a certain level, it's simply not worth it. Sell product for $100 Pay workers $110 Profit is -$10 Close doors to business, and walk away |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 9:34:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In 1914, Ford paid their employees a minimum of $5 a day in 1914, in today's money; that comes out to $3,070 a month. That was a shit-ton of money. A Ford Model T was $440 selling for, that's $12,855 today. It is possible to pay someone enough to actually afford the products they make. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A local site development/surface mining company has plenty of new hires walk in the door, yet less than half of them pass the drug test or flat-out refuse to take it (they are warned ahead of time that passing an observed drug test is a condition of employment). A significant portion of new hires don't show up for their first day without notice. They don't shy away from hiring felons, probationers, people with suspended licenses, etc. Either they can't pass a simple drug test or they don't want to work. YMMV Low pay = low class and unintelligent people. It's ain't rocket science but somehow the people running companies that do blue collar work can figure it out. Want people who show up to work everyday in time? Want people who are smart and will do good work? Want people that can operate without someone constantly looking over their shoulder? Want people who can pass a drug test and continue to pass them? Well do you? Then increase the pay to what it takes to attract those kind of people even if it means you personally make less money each year. It's not that people don't want to work. They just don't want to work for you based on the pay and benefits you are offering in exchange for their time and effort. At a certain level, it's simply not worth it. Sell product for $100 Pay workers $110 Profit is -$10 Close doors to business, and walk away Almost everything is artificially overvalued now. Partly because of some need by many to “outspend” the next guy. A recipe for disaster if there ever was one. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 9:40:48 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In 1914, Ford paid their employees a minimum of $5 a day in 1914, in today's money; that comes out to $3,070 a month. That was a shit-ton of money. A Ford Model T was $440 selling for, that's $12,855 today. It is possible to pay someone enough to actually afford the products they make. I triple dog dare you to build a NEW car today and have it for sale in the USA that meets NTSB and highway standards that costs just $13K and a company can still make a profit with. Find me a UAW employee who will take $3K/mo salary and show up for work sober. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 9:55:10 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I triple dog dare you to build a NEW car today and have it for sale in the USA that meets NTSB and highway standards that costs just $13K and a company can still make a profit with. Find me a UAW employee who will take $3K/mo salary and show up for work sober. Pretty sure the Nissan Versa is the cheapest new car sold. It's 16K base and built in Mexico. $3K/month is about $17.30/hr. That's what a new UAW assembly worker makes now. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 10:06:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure the Nissan Versa is the cheapest new car sold. It's 16K base and built in Mexico. $3K/month is about $17.30/hr. That's what a new UAW assembly worker makes now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I triple dog dare you to build a NEW car today and have it for sale in the USA that meets NTSB and highway standards that costs just $13K and a company can still make a profit with. Find me a UAW employee who will take $3K/mo salary and show up for work sober. Pretty sure the Nissan Versa is the cheapest new car sold. It's 16K base and built in Mexico. $3K/month is about $17.30/hr. That's what a new UAW assembly worker makes now. Don't forget the tax difference. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 4:06:16 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Teachers, like myself, fucking suck. GD tells me all the time. We are lazy and don't do anything. The people on GD who can't spell or write a coherent sentence should take over. And, commas are hard. Subjects and predicates. Hard. It would be great if you didn’t look like you are 4 years old. Fuck that, sweatpants and crocs at Walmart for fancy dress. I guess knowing how to write according to the Chicago Manual of Style is more important than how to keep the electricity on in a town, city, and state. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 7:29:18 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL.... "free handouts" is older than America itself. Our entire western expansion was built off free handouts in the form of homesteading. Folks got free land from the government so they can farm it and the government can profit off it. That was priming the pump expecting future economic rewards for both the settlers and the government. I'm not sure what the expected economic reward to society of multi-generational welfare families would be. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 6:44:59 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That happened to me at a KFC a couple weeks ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have been to 3 Starbucks and 2 Dunkin’s recently and walked out after 5 minutes of waiting at the cash register and nobody taking my order. 3 of those had only 1 person working there and thery were too busy working the drive through to bother with the in store customer. That happened to me at a KFC a couple weeks ago. That sort of thing has been happening more and more, I find. When we go to a restaurant to be seated, if there is nobody visible, bad sign. If nobody shows up in a couple minutes to seat us, bad sign. At that point, we leave. Even if we do get seated, there aren't enough warm bodies to prepare the food and provide good service, so why bother? Us staying would simply result in poor service, no tip, and they are obviously overworked already.
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Posted: 9/30/2023 7:17:00 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank the HR girl for keeping wages down. Her decision to bring in illegals has really helped things. Human Resources exists solely to provide employment for either the boss' unemployable daughter, or scores of otherwise unemployable female college graduates. Prove me wrong. EDIT: The people in HR are theoretically college graduates, correct? If so, how come they cannot seem to do a simple cost benefit analysis -- for example, after a certain point the money you're saving by keeping wages low attracts the kind of low class people who need constant supervision and destroy your profit margins -- i.e. if you pay $25/hr, you get say 5% rejects on the production line, but if you pay $17/hr, you get 25% rejects... 
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Posted: 9/30/2023 7:50:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Human Resources exists solely to provide employment for either the boss' unemployable daughter, or scores of otherwise unemployable female college graduates. Prove me wrong. EDIT: The people in HR are theoretically college graduates, correct? If so, how come they cannot seem to do a simple cost benefit analysis -- for example, after a certain point the money you're saving by keeping wages low attracts the kind of low class people who need constant supervision and destroy your profit margins -- i.e. if you pay $25/hr, you get say 5% rejects on the production line, but if you pay $17/hr, you get 25% rejects... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thank the HR girl for keeping wages down. Her decision to bring in illegals has really helped things. Human Resources exists solely to provide employment for either the boss' unemployable daughter, or scores of otherwise unemployable female college graduates. Prove me wrong. EDIT: The people in HR are theoretically college graduates, correct? If so, how come they cannot seem to do a simple cost benefit analysis -- for example, after a certain point the money you're saving by keeping wages low attracts the kind of low class people who need constant supervision and destroy your profit margins -- i.e. if you pay $25/hr, you get say 5% rejects on the production line, but if you pay $17/hr, you get 25% rejects... Don't wait for a MBA manager to do that work, the "BA" part is a mystery. Follow the buzzwords and your gut opinion, and be deaf to comments and advice from anyone down the organization chart. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 8:03:55 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Human Resources exists solely to provide employment for either the boss' unemployable daughter, or scores of otherwise unemployable female college graduates. Prove me wrong. EDIT: The people in HR are theoretically college graduates, correct? If so, how come they cannot seem to do a simple cost benefit analysis -- for example, after a certain point the money you're saving by keeping wages low attracts the kind of low class people who need constant supervision and destroy your profit margins -- i.e. if you pay $25/hr, you get say 5% rejects on the production line, but if you pay $17/hr, you get 25% rejects... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thank the HR girl for keeping wages down. Her decision to bring in illegals has really helped things. Human Resources exists solely to provide employment for either the boss' unemployable daughter, or scores of otherwise unemployable female college graduates. Prove me wrong. EDIT: The people in HR are theoretically college graduates, correct? If so, how come they cannot seem to do a simple cost benefit analysis -- for example, after a certain point the money you're saving by keeping wages low attracts the kind of low class people who need constant supervision and destroy your profit margins -- i.e. if you pay $25/hr, you get say 5% rejects on the production line, but if you pay $17/hr, you get 25% rejects... |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 8:24:26 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: HR is there to protect the organization, not thr employees. Then why in that example, did the HR woman open the door for illegals to be employed by the company openly? Way to get your ass nailed by whatever alphabet agency handles immigration these days, when Jim in the Shop gets annoyed enough and calls the 1-800 anonymous tipline for INS/ICE. EDIT: Who handles and verifies immigration status? Amanda the HR lady. Who would be held responsible for mass employment of illegals when ICE comes knocking? Amanda the HR lady because she's the one checking birth certificates and social security cards to verify status for the I-whatevers.
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Posted: 9/30/2023 8:28:18 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why in that example, did the HR woman open the door for illegals to be employed by the company openly? Way to get your ass nailed by whatever alphabet agency handles immigration these days, when Jim in the Shop gets annoyed enough and calls the 1-800 anonymous tipline for INS/ICE. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: HR is there to protect the organization, not thr employees. Then why in that example, did the HR woman open the door for illegals to be employed by the company openly? Way to get your ass nailed by whatever alphabet agency handles immigration these days, when Jim in the Shop gets annoyed enough and calls the 1-800 anonymous tipline for INS/ICE. It is cheaper to hire illegals and pay the fine than it is to hire legit Americans and pay them a respectful wage with benefits over the long term. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 8:38:20 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because the risk isn't there. How many times has a business been raided with illegals... and they're still in business and hiring illegals? ALL THE TIME. It's still a big risk that increases as you go up the business scale -- the "shade tree" lawn care company run from the owner's garage with everyone 1099'ed can get away with blatantly ignoring immigration law; a manufacturing company with a large amount of DOD contracts can't. I think it's because college degrees are now required for everything + "everyone must go to college", so college degrees have become extremely dumbed down to let the lower than median IQs graduate; and we're seeing the results of that about 25-30 years down the line as people who SHOULD have basic forecasting skills...don't. i.e. "We need to get more people, we're down by five bodies on the production line." "We could pay new hires $19/hr." "Approved" And not once does anyone ask "hey, our current wage scale tops out at $20/hr for eight years of employment....should we boost our current employees' salary as well?" and they're SHOCKED SHOCKED when half their experienced shop personnel quit within a month. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 8:47:08 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One thing I've noticed is teenagers don't really work anymore, but I'm not sure why When I was a teenager we got part time jobs so we could buy a car. Cars are too expensive for that now, the kid might as well stay home and study. Plus we have taught everyone that the world is so scary now (because that sells media) that they want their kids at home 24/7. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 8:53:06 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's still a big risk that increases as you go up the business scale -- the "shade tree" lawn care company run from the owner's garage with everyone 1099'ed can get away with blatantly ignoring immigration law; a manufacturing company with a large amount of DOD contracts can't. I think it's because college degrees are now required for everything + "everyone must go to college", so college degrees have become extremely dumbed down to let the lower than median IQs graduate; and we're seeing the results of that about 25-30 years down the line as people who SHOULD have basic forecasting skills...don't. i.e. "We need to get more people, we're down by five bodies on the production line." "We could pay new hires $19/hr." "Approved" And not once does anyone ask "hey, our current wage scale tops out at $20/hr for eight years of employment....should we boost our current employees' salary as well?" and they're SHOCKED SHOCKED when half their experienced shop personnel quit within a month. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because the risk isn't there. How many times has a business been raided with illegals... and they're still in business and hiring illegals? ALL THE TIME. It's still a big risk that increases as you go up the business scale -- the "shade tree" lawn care company run from the owner's garage with everyone 1099'ed can get away with blatantly ignoring immigration law; a manufacturing company with a large amount of DOD contracts can't. I think it's because college degrees are now required for everything + "everyone must go to college", so college degrees have become extremely dumbed down to let the lower than median IQs graduate; and we're seeing the results of that about 25-30 years down the line as people who SHOULD have basic forecasting skills...don't. i.e. "We need to get more people, we're down by five bodies on the production line." "We could pay new hires $19/hr." "Approved" And not once does anyone ask "hey, our current wage scale tops out at $20/hr for eight years of employment....should we boost our current employees' salary as well?" and they're SHOCKED SHOCKED when half their experienced shop personnel quit within a month. *Laughs in Perdue Farms* Major companies who are the economic lifeblood of entire regions hire illegals and see the raids and fines as a cheaper means than hiring Americans and paying them a respectful wage with benefits. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 9:42:37 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Major companies who are the economic lifeblood of entire regions hire illegals and see the raids and fines as a cheaper means than hiring Americans and paying them a respectful wage with benefits. When there's no real penalty then all it amounts to is a tax. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 9:57:33 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When there's no real penalty then all it amounts to is a tax. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Major companies who are the economic lifeblood of entire regions hire illegals and see the raids and fines as a cheaper means than hiring Americans and paying them a respectful wage with benefits. When there's no real penalty then all it amounts to is a tax. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 10:00:07 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank the HR girl for keeping wages down. Her decision to bring in illegals has really helped things. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: my current place a year ago was really nice, now they can't hire factory workers on 3rd shift who won't fling poo in the stalls they are literally hiring if you have a pulse and the door is very slow rotating as they can't make the attendance or can't do the simple jobs. so glad I'm in the office I walked the plant today and walked into one of the bathrooms and they used to be clean. Was filthy and all stalls full of people and I could hear tv shows playing on their phones and more. This was mid shift. It was never like this and it's been a slow decline that is speeding up Thank the HR girl for keeping wages down. Her decision to bring in illegals has really helped things. Lol I wish it was illegals Then it would help explain the issues If maybe cultural stuff Nope Just trash |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 10:03:17 AM EDT
[#45]
Tyson chicken got the state department to let in some people from this small island country I had never heard of. They didn't even have a written language, Tyson housed them and put them to work cleaning chickens. Of course it was just a coincidence Hillary was secretary of state. I'm sure there were no Arkansas connections.
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Posted: 9/30/2023 10:05:34 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tyson chicken got the state department to let in some people from this small island country I had never heard of. They didn't even have a written language, Tyson housed them and put them to work cleaning chickens. Of course it was just a coincidence Hillary was secretary of state. I'm sure there were no Arkansas connections. They've been doing that for decades. Go to any meat packing plant in this country and it's the same story. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 10:17:55 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Major companies have factored in that fines are cheaper than wages, benefits, and taxes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Major companies who are the economic lifeblood of entire regions hire illegals and see the raids and fines as a cheaper means than hiring Americans and paying them a respectful wage with benefits. When there's no real penalty then all it amounts to is a tax. That would probably change if senior management got 10 years in prison for allowing it, but nah, never happen. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 10:17:58 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Human Resources exists solely to provide employment for either the boss' unemployable daughter, or scores of otherwise unemployable female college graduates. Prove me wrong. EDIT: The people in HR are theoretically college graduates, correct? If so, how come they cannot seem to do a simple cost benefit analysis -- for example, after a certain point the money you're saving by keeping wages low attracts the kind of low class people who need constant supervision and destroy your profit margins -- i.e. if you pay $25/hr, you get say 5% rejects on the production line, but if you pay $17/hr, you get 25% rejects... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thank the HR girl for keeping wages down. Her decision to bring in illegals has really helped things. Human Resources exists solely to provide employment for either the boss' unemployable daughter, or scores of otherwise unemployable female college graduates. Prove me wrong. EDIT: The people in HR are theoretically college graduates, correct? If so, how come they cannot seem to do a simple cost benefit analysis -- for example, after a certain point the money you're saving by keeping wages low attracts the kind of low class people who need constant supervision and destroy your profit margins -- i.e. if you pay $25/hr, you get say 5% rejects on the production line, but if you pay $17/hr, you get 25% rejects... Don't forget the cost to recruit and onboard talent typically blows away providing even a modest 10% COL raise during periods of high inflation. They literally are setting conditions where only the underperformers who can't find work elsewhere will stay and be content with 2-3% |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 10:23:14 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That would probably change if senior management got 10 years in prison for allowing it, but nah, never happen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Major companies who are the economic lifeblood of entire regions hire illegals and see the raids and fines as a cheaper means than hiring Americans and paying them a respectful wage with benefits. When there's no real penalty then all it amounts to is a tax. That would probably change if senior management got 10 years in prison for allowing it, but nah, never happen. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 10:28:21 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That would probably change if senior management got 10 years in prison for allowing it, but nah, never happen. Why would they criminalize capitalism? |
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