For my AO.

-A ton of foreigners.

-Californians who sold their house in CA to foreigners and moved here.

-People in the weed industry buying houses because they cannot put money in a bank.

-Real estate “investors” who are buying up houses.

-Very few people who are the traditional couple buying a house.

True wisdom here. I'll only add that the Media in total encourages it and as long as we stay duped, it isn't going to change.

I will say that a large number of mothers are homeschooling kids now and not in traditional labor forces. We paid a former teacher to tutor/teach our homeschool daughter. I don't know if that income was reported. I don't care.

This answer is lazy

According to the current administration there are too many jobs in this country...

Especially this part in bold, pretty much all you have to do at my employer is "not be less than 0" and you can keep your job. We've seriously kept some real shit for brains people around for a long long time, simply because they showed up enough, and some of them didn't even do that.

What's amazing to me is that the store manager at a place like Walmart is over $200k with bonuses, but the assistant managers (now called "coaches") are at best $65k with bonuses.

That's an incredible disparity.

I believe that is reflected, in part, in the spike in road rage incidents over the last couple of years.

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As you know, high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) is in everything we eat.  It’s dirt cheap.  Look at the salad dressings at the store next time.  The only one that does not have HFCS is Italian.

Also, just a lot of cheap starches, especially in processed foods.  The more processed = the more HFCS and starch from wheat, corn, potatoes, etc.

It’s easier to eat cheap, fattening foods than to eat healthy.

@Kubota3430

+1

The safety net became a safety couch.

Maybe.  

There are two most likely paths:

1) We end up passively accepting Marxism and the end result is Venezuela here.

2) Civil war

#1 is most likely, but we are so fractured as a society that #2 may as well.  Or #1 happens, people get hungry, angry, and start to misbehave.

Many of them are already working.

Labor participation for core working years (25-54) is about 1% shy of it's all time high (set over 29 years ago). BLS data

The Boomer generation is retiring out and was so huge it has distorted labor market norms for decades. The labor market is tightening because of it, and will structurally be tighter going forward as Gen Z is tiny compared to the boomers.

A tighter labor market means a lot more competition between employers - especially for higher quality workers. Plus the idea of company loyalty - especially the idea that career advancement comes from staying with a company - is dead.

The best employees steadily find their way to the best employers, leaving the rest fighting over the dregs. That smart kid who ten years ago would have been your do everything IT guy in your small business? He was headhunted and is making $125k doing process automation. The losers who would have been unemployable ten years ago? They're all that is left for low level jobs as everyone more capable is already working somewhere better.

Wow, that’s shitty.. I couldn’t live on 50k a year.   I have a teenager that makes 42k at fast food.

Coupled with garbage seed oils, and health is where it is.

This simple fact is often lost in the angsty noise over how inherently Evil boomers are.
Not that I'm not evil.
I mean, am I a good man? No.
But am I trying to be better? Also no.

I can give some great examples on this.

We recently finally hired two new welders after having an ad up for 6 months. 14-17 range depending on experience. They finally got two suckers with no experience to come on at I'm guessing 15 for the guy on my shift, and 16 for the guy on 2nd.

In the 3 weeks since they have been hired they have both been later half the days, the guy on second has actually only made it into the shop on time once. Late every single day.

Both are useless, and both have charges. One was a few hours late, and turns out he was in court. They can't do shit and have to have constant hand holding. Now they had a bunch of applicants come in, some were halfway decent but I guess when they were told the wage they laughed and walked away.

Scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I'm old enough to remember the steel mills bitching about not being able to find workers in the early 80's.

The field was heavily stratified, longtime union members that were 50+ had a do nothing cush seat. The real jobs were non-union and involved doing ALL the actual work. The pay was like a quarter of the dudes sitting on their ass. The industry was dead and was just waiting around to find out.

"We can't find workers" is just another way to say "nobody wants to work for us."


You want to know where they are? Well, they are avoiding that shitty job like the plague... obviously.

Really? you live on the West coast where everything is super expensive.  Go move where he is.  You will take a HUGE cut.  54k over there is pretty middle class.  Your teen would be happy to pull $15/hr there.  I have a feeling you know these things but are just rubbing it in faces.

Two things happened.

1) Women were told to go home because they were Non-Essential. So they did. And they decided they liked not working-I would too. Most women who are married are ultimately doing it because the family buys shit and goes on vacations they can’t afford, so they learned to clip coupons again and pack their husbands a lunch before kissing him and seeing him off for the day.

2) People that could retire during Covid, did.

The problem with rental income is being able to collect it in the first place when the government tells you that you can’t evict. My wife has 4 apartments and a mobile home she rents to students at a university and the locals. Even today between the damages remnants leave and rent they owe, she barely breaks even.

Government fucks over mom&pop landlords while protecting banks (too big to fail of course) and scumbag tenants (rent moratorium, rent control).

War on the middle-class. Champagne socialism.

To answer your title question, they’re tired of being shit on for doing their jobs.

They want enforcers until they enforce shit.  They want teachers until someone teaches something their way.

You don’t like how they do it? Maybe you should sign up.

$50k in NW Arkansas would not be great.

Y'all don't seem to get it.  I could go work in Cali and at least quadruple my pay.  The COL is much higher too so it washes out.

What am I missing? COL is pretty elementary. I have lived in some lower COL areas and made $50k. That was a while ago and it was less than ideal. Now? I guess you will eat, pay rent, and buy the occasional trinket, but you aren’t really saving, etc.

I say the above not to disparage anyone. I have BTDT.

I live in a low-income neighborhood in my town in Texas and it takes a minimum of $35k to cover the average annual COL for my house rental (this includes the average cost of utilities, fuel and groceries). That goes up with bill increases and standard of living increases.

Yep. And in our area during the 2007/08 collapse they didn’t hire more cops for YEARS.  So there is a huge gap in numbers of cops working then and now, not to mention experience.

I’m absolutely convinced that applies to the boomer generation. Before Covid many had retired and were working in their retirement probably because they thought they couldn’t make it on social security and their savings, or because they thought they would be bored retired. They were forced into retirement and figured out it was not what they thought it would be.  

Post Covid I see WAY less older people working in retail etc than before Covid at least in my area.

1.60 as minimum wage in 1968 is roughly equivalent to about 15/hr now.

Median household income in 1968 was equivalent to what it is now.
But it was based on majority single income households instead of majority dual like now.
And the second incomes were typically part time instead of full time filling a much smaller percentage of household income.

You could get a new Ford Bronco or K5 4x4 or performance model Camaro or Mustang for about 23K in today’s dollars.
Late model used vehicles with low mileage were even more of a steal.

College education was proportional a quarter of what it is now.
And the starting pay for a college grad was more than median household income, not less.
Land, rent, homes, etc. corrected for square footage were about 1/3 as much proportionally compared to now.
Let alone the added costs associated with higher property taxes, higher property tax rates, etc.

A majority of employees could have a defined benefits retirement plan, and benefits making insurance virtually zero cost.
Not paying hundreds of dollars a month for insurance plus putting pay into retirement accounts on their own.
Progression, promotion, raises, etc. were a far more earned, meritocratic process.  Extra work/hours/effort were rewarded unlike now.  People could start a business with lower start up, less destructive regulation, fees, permits, etc.

People did and said shit daily that would have you fired, arrested, cancelled, kids taken away from you, etc. without anyone batting an eye.

As the decades have gone by since then, in addition to the above changes,
.gov, the legal system, the educational system, progressives, big business, etc. have decided to heavily subsidize the non productive, banish public shame, destroy the benefits of marriage, family, law abiding behavior, social mores, etc. and also suppress wages.  While also flooding cheap H1B professionals, and illegal cut rate labor.

In addition to the above going on, COVID hit, people lost faith in elections, etc.
And the useless and the criminals and the rabble rousers and the subsidized made a grab for more.
And the ones that were lower end but good productive people got sick of working so much for so little.
They said F it.  Mom quit work.  Dad stopped putting in the overtime.  Or having a second job.
Why work so hard to have little more or be worse off than the subsided.  Especially when .gov seems unconcerned with criminals taking it from you.

Entry level unskilled, uneducated labor staring getting about 15 an hour.
And people are losing their minds and pissed about it.  
When it is simply stripping decades of wage suppression back to 1968 levels.

You skilled labor is not going to work for little more than that.
Let alone your very quality dense areas.

I do not know exactly how things are going to progress the next couple of decades, .gov knows how this ends and has pulled out all the stops regarding potential backlash.

I work seasonally as a farm worker. It pays $18/hr.

None of my coworkers at the farm use English as thier primary language.

Bronson, you need to go back and read what Waldo wrote:  He’s paying a lady virtually the same income as he made, when he dropped out of collage almost 20 Years ago.    

Meanwhile, the Dollar is worth less than Half as much.    She’s only making about $25,000 in 2005 dollars.       Which is Not enough, for a full time job.  

We all know it, and yet somehow people blind themselves to it.

This is why I don't give to charities. Too many shitbird freeloaders. As a teenager I helped our church food bank and saw the same scam. If you have kids, you should expose them to this too so they're grounded in reality.

Don't get me started on Habitat for Humanity...

People are fucked up now, no doubt.

I truly want to know when shamelessness descended on society. It seemed so rapid, too. My guess is the internet had a big role in this (a lot of social media parades around trash behaviors).

Would clean up society a bit in short order, truthfully.

Last job I worked, there was a guy who was a retired cop. I told him, "So you quit being a cop and decided that retail was a better gig? LOL!" But I guess in retail you get shot at a lot less. Well, depending on where you live/work. We were in a decent part of town, so it wasn't bad.

The 20th Century, especially the post WWII economic boom was an anomaly for the most part. The rest of the world was either rebuilding from the piles rubble or was a limited agrarian economy. No one was an economic rival. The prosperity of the 1950s in the US was built on a foundation of aggressive government spending, no foreign competition, and the fact that manual labor was needed and wasn't automated yet.

Events leading up to the Great Depression were the same... cheap credit, massive amounts of government spending, no foreign rivals. It all came crashing down. Our economic policies are a house of cards built on a foundation of lies. Future generations are going to get fucked, hard.

A lot of 'em were hired and funded by Clinton's AWB. Part of the legislation was grants to agencies to hire more cops.

So wrong on so many levels.

Easier to get into LE and teaching today than at any time in the last 30 years.  We hired cops that were 21-50 years old as trainees all the time.  It is not like 25 years ago when there were 200 qualified applicants for each position.

Pay?  I passed the 100k mark over 15 years ago, before I made Sgt.  Made a lot more after that.  Coworkers still working are hitting 200k nowadays with OT.  20 year teacher is around 100k here.  Shit pay is entirely dependent upon where you work.  Maybe I could have made more if I stayed in private industry, but I doubt I could have retired at 50 doing that.

Teachers don’t need a masters, though my wife would make more money if she had it.


Don’t know shit about retail, but you sure missed at least 3 out of 4…. And I do know there is plenty of money at the top end in manufacturing, as I have worked that industry.  Don’t be a cog in the machine, be the control board telling the cogs what to do and all that…

The Baby Boomers profited off the best economic situation ever. Massive amounts of government spending to improve and establish infrastructure along with huge injections of capital into social services. Plus, every economic rival was utterly devastated by WWII. Their younger working years were great due to entire industry springing up from the ground. The military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about? Yeah, that created cheap housing since all those companies needed workers since it couldn't be done yet by machines or computers. Those Boomers then purchased those cheap homes and once those neighbors became established, their equity rose. So did their positions in the jobs they worked, which insulated them from the automation and offshoring of lower end jobs.

Additionally, once our economic rivals game back into force. Boomers for the most part we're the ones establishing trade relationships with them, because they were the ones running tthings. Gen X'ers first felt the sting as did late born Boomers when jobs were cut due to the start of automation, offshoring, or consolidation. Hence why Gen X'ers fought in the 1999 Seattle WTO protests for example. Gen Y'ers and eaely born Millennials really felt it with the the economic downturn of 9/11, the 2008 Housing Crash, the Great Recession, and the COVID crash.

Working aged Gen Y'ers and Millennials entire adult life has been economic collapse after economic collapse.

Late born Millennials and Gen Z'ers seeing this, said fuck it and are living completely different lifestyles. Housing is ungodly affordable and traditional employment is horrible underpaying, plus with rapid inflation. They've decided to have a different outlook on life. Consumer Materialism built of credit as embraced by previous generations isn't their goal. It is experiencing and enjoying life by traveling and doing things, instead of sitting in a job for 20-40 years for a shitty 401k and then experiencing life in retirement. They're just doing it now and embracing the current economic situation to work towards their advantage. The gig economy, digital remote work, etc....

If a 22 year old female Gen Z'er can make more money by milking simps of their money by doing some streams in which they flash their butthole (something Gen X'ers and Gen Y'ers did for free in college parties and on spring break anyways). And it pays more in a month than waiting tables at Denny's pays in six months or a year. More power to 'em. Same goes for the guy who streams himself playing a video game and he makes bank.

Instead of complaining, now is the time to take advantage of the labor shortage.

Throughout most of my life it did not exist and it will not last.

It is a good time to try something new, to learn a new skill.

If or more like when a crash happens being employed or employable is where you want to be.

Savings and assets can evaporate and Government retirement benefits can be cut.

Your knowledge and ability cannot be taken away from you.

Shit pay is a major problem in FL public sector and private sector. Housing is ungodly affordable. Heck, I remember when State Troopers made less than $35k and couldn't afford rent in South Florida and this was long before the 2008 crash. The solution was FHP had a single wide on school lots and Troopers would live there. Why? It was a deterrent to thieves to burglarize the school.

When a bartender or waiter in South Beach has to live all the way out in Hialeah, drive all the way to the beach, and pay all those tolls, pay for parking, pay for gas, etc... it isn't economical.

Amazes me how so many people will stay in a region where that goes on, when they could pull up roots, go do the same job somewhere else, and make actual decent wages.  Comfort in your surroundings goes a long way I guess.

Not in FL, police for the most part pay shit.

It isn't comfort. It takes money to move and then you have family situations. Caring for elderly parents, divorced couples with kids, etc... should a Father abandon his kid and moved across the country for a better job? All while the crazy ex has custody?

Edit to add, so, where exactly do you live? You aren't stating it, where is the land of milk and honey?

QFT. Late Millenial here.

I graduated college in May of 2009 and it has been nothing but a complete shitshow of dodging M&As,
job hopping every 2 years (often with a change of states too) to beat 2-3% "Excellent Performance" raises while watching plenty of Boomers squat in their jobs hoarding/siloing critical information to keep their jobs (not that you can blame them).

I even worked for one company that offered a conventional pension plan vested at 5 years only to see that get trashed after they merged with a competitor after busting my ass for 2 years hoping to buy in to that American Dream. LIES!

Now I work from the sidelines and watch my customers lose all their institutional/tribal knowledge as the Boomers check out. It's a different type of shitshow, but for those who can adapt, there is far more opportunity than during the 2009-2014 period.

I've watched some junior engineers skip out on their 3rd company in 2 years for better pay. Stuff like that would have gotten you black listed previously, but Gen Z doesn't give a fuck and is saying Pay Me.

There's also the housing element. If you have a 2-3% 30 yr fixed Mortgage, you're not pulling up roots unless you're talking a 50% raise to offset the new mortgage rates.

Yup, plus if you're just getting into the job market. You can't real afford housing anyways. So, the idea of "move to a place that lays more" is laughable because the person being told that can't afford where they are right now. You think they're going to be able to afford the new place that pays more, which in turn has an even higher housing demand? Thus resulting in even higher housing costs? What's the economic incentive?

The great reset

The land will be given to the invaders with no loyalty to the America of our founders...happy to be a new nation
vassal state to the globalists NWO