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Been saying it for years , both sides like cheap unskilled labor to drive wages down. Dems just hope they vote commie.

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@Chromekilla, that's how it was before WWII in the US for the most part. a multi-generational family lived in the same home/property. The elderly watched the young ones and the working aged folks worked.

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Democrats will register them, print ballots for them, mark those ballots Democrat and vote those ballots for them.  "They" won't even know about this.

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Yup, and when the working age folks in that family either lost their job or became too injured and worthless. The family was fucked and everyone was kicked off the farm/homestead because the bank repo'ed it.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.d9d262f7d268205832a72776dc678db4?rik=nB3lY%2fa%2fXccIWQ&riu=http%3a%2f%2f2.bp.blogspot.com%2f-7SRv9MxXEYk%2fUwFfuJPDQoI%2fAAAAAAAALDQ%2f5dqGLHEtmJM%2fs1600%2fThe%2bGrapes%2bOf%2bWrath%2b2.jpeg&ehk=yogsE1py1b9PcExkFbeDXX1uziJrsA7pjUtLzDp59YA%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

People complain about wanting to go back to the old days @Soju94, they seem to forget the old days was that workers were treated like shit. Folks complain about unions, etc.... but it was unionization that created the post-WWII lifestyle along with economic factors like the rest of the major economic players being smoking bombed-out ruins.

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It was Hispanics who gave DeSantis his margin of victory. In fact, DeSantis won majority Hispanic counties, counties that haven't gone Republican in over a decade or more. Counties that even Trump couldn't win.

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You can make similar working at Buckeys.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/1000010061_jpg-2966996.JPG

A gas station company offers similar pay and benefits, with far less stress and danger. And agencies in FL wonder why they can't attract talent.

You get what you pay for.

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Treating people as people seems to work in FL. Maybe the rest of the US can try it instead of labeling folks who aren't scum as scum.

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Probably more fun. I bet the people watching is great and all the guys in the bbq area always seem to have fun sing buc-ees song

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lazy people rather stay home and suck government teat. ENTIRE generations of black and latinos dont work.  They rather play video games, watch tv, defaud Social securtiy benefits, food stamps, they live w baby mama and stay out all night selling drugs.   Whites do this also, but at smaller percentages.   However, since white pop. is higher the overall white sucking teat is higher.

STOP all gov handouts.

Make people work or starve

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That is a holdover of gatekeepers by boomers @CSeaBass. Starting in the late 80s and early 90s. Boomers in management positions started changing the requirements for jobs, all while insulating themselves and exempting themselves via grandfathering their positions. It was done to make it harder for younger workers to apply for their positions. It has since carried over to just about everything now.

I've seen cases where job postings require an exorbitant amount of experience and degrees/certs and pay shit. It turns people away, and allows companies to hire H1Bs at a cheaper price than American labor.

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That is a prime example of gatekeeping. Your employer wants skilled labor but offers shit wages, yet there is an ample pool of young labor willing to work/learn at shit wages. But turns them away because they aren't skilled.

Prior to the Boomers really getting into power and playing gatekeepers. It used to be that you can hire on and learn. On the job training was a thing. That's how Boomers got their jobs. But they decided to change it up and say fuck it.

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I believe we're at a point where the wages being offered in many sectors (unskilled retail facing) has a lower/or similar total compensation than combined government benefits.

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So wrong on so many levels.

Easier to get into LE and teaching today than at any time in the last 30 years.  We hired cops that were 21-50 years old as trainees all the time.  It is not like 25 years ago when there were 200 qualified applicants for each position.

Pay?  I passed the 100k mark over 15 years ago, before I made Sgt.  Made a lot more after that.  Coworkers still working are hitting 200k nowadays with OT.  20 year teacher is around 100k here.  Shit pay is entirely dependent upon where you work.  Maybe I could have made more if I stayed in private industry, but I doubt I could have retired at 50 doing that.

Teachers don’t need a masters, though my wife would make more money if she had it.


Don’t know shit about retail, but you sure missed at least 3 out of 4…. And I do know there is plenty of money at the top end in manufacturing, as I have worked that industry.  Don’t be a cog in the machine, be the control board telling the cogs what to do and all that…

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For sure. There's a couple links posted earlier in the thread, with actual studies  & numbers that back this up.  But it's not just unskilled labor...

In my state, for example....

A family of 4 (Dad, Mom, 2 kids) who's not working will net $80k/ year in UI benefits (WTF, MT?) plus another $15k+/ year in health insurance subsidies.

Also in MT, the average retail worker earns $40k.   And the average electrician earns $80k.   Average truck driver? $65k.

Hmm... figuring out that problem ain't exactly rocket science...

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Shit. Any data on reasons? Curious about the pay vs. "these fucking kids" ratio among the departures.

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It seems very, very hard to take-
For those boomers that came of age in the 60s,
And struggled-
Just how much they sucked at life.

And almost as hard to take, for those that crushed it like a boss-
How much they would NOT have been able to pull off under the current economic situation.

Boomers got a shot at the NBA when the average player was 6’4” and the rim was at 9ft tall and the three point line was 18.7 feet.  

Boomers should not be  allowed to give advice on almost anything..
And it absolutely burns them.

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It was Hispanics who gave DeSantis his margin of victory. In fact, DeSantis won majority Hispanic counties, counties that haven't gone Republican in over a decade or more. Counties that even Trump couldn't win.

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tl;dr: YOLO, and damn the long-term consequences, because you can't change those anyway.

Most of what I'm saying applies to retail, factories, etc. I know cops who say it's nearly impossible to get candidates. I've heard the same from factory workers. I can't speak to teachers.

Having lived in poor, rural America for my entire life, the thing that seems to have shifted with COVID and young people is the willingness to sacrifice (for those at entry level), and the unwillingness to pay (for those with the jobs).

Young people have come to realize that you can live pretty cheaply, and side gigs and income are easy to come by. A cash side gig is easier than ever....we're all getting used to things like Instacart, Doordash, and Uber, so the idea that a person could/does this is common now. Yes, those companies report employee income. No, not everyone plays along. There are cash tips in person, and people who do it on the side for a few people they know. Cash-under-the-table has been a thing approximately forever, but it's gotten easier and more pervasive.

Then there's creator crap. There are some really good creators on YouTube, Insta, etc., but social media has pushed towards ever shorter attention spans, so outrageous positions are what gets attention, and young people are certainly strong in their beliefs.

And then you have OnlyFans. In a world of free porn, it's hard to understand why people would pay money for it, but there it is.

If you're young, and you have a place to crash, and you don't need health insurance, you can make a little money, travel pretty cheap, and generally enjoy life. It's also easier than ever to buy the things that numb you...marijuana is essentially legal at this point, regardless of what club Fed thinks. That combination makes this a viable short-term choice.

Let's not forget that college is beginning to be seen for what it is...valuable to some people, at the right price point, but that's far from a given. Student loans are a complete shitshow. At some point, we're going to have to decide what our policy towards secondary education will be in America. For now, it's political football, with imported workers taking ever more good jobs that we aren't reliably producing candidates to fill.

The problem with all of this is that it needs to be a short-term view. I don't even think it's a bad idea for young people to go and have experiences while they can. Good for them. I wish I had done more of that. That said, it's physically, mentally, and emotionally harder to start your career at 30 than it is at 20. Here in the US, healthcare is typically an employer-provided benefit, and one that becomes much more important as we age. Starting your career at 30 with entry-level work, no education, no retirement savings, and the beginnings of health problems is a sure way to ensure you're poor forever. The healthcare system is literally designed to bankrupt people without insurance, and if you don't believe that, try having a health problem without it.

You might argue that the solution is to get a job and work your way up. The problem is that increasingly, there ISN'T a way up. You can be a responsible employee, who shows up, does a good job, and generally does the right things, and you can easily end up having a boss fresh out of college, with no experience, who runs the place into the ground (and likely gets promoted faster). They rolled the dice on a degree, and it's anyone's guess whether it will pay off for them or not, but they're going places you aren't. You're not going anywhere. They might be going up, but it probably isn't far enough, fast enough. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Guess who's laughing all the way to the bank?

IMO, what's really happening is that the idea of a meritocracy is being replaced by social cliques. Who you know has always been a thing, but we're getting to a point where we have a ruling class that isn't fit to rule.

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Friday and yesterday I was interviewing for a new manufacturing facility outside of Waco. We hired two young men on Friday at $18 and $20 an hour, and honestly after a probationary period I am looking forward to bumping their pay if they prove to be who I think they are. I want to send these kids to trade school and see them grow as the company does.

Three others interviewed on Friday were busts, being lower quality that the two I hired while also thinking they were worth more. I could tell they would be walking in at the top of their value.

Yesterday was a complete bust. 3 no-shows, a late reschedule, one guy clearly not all there and one kid of a type I've never encountered.

This kid had applied for a job with a listed pay range, and didn't have any skills past being a shop hand and was clearly a low drive couch potato. He Walked in and kicked back in his chair,  and after the job discussion I stated that if offered, my offer to him would be bottom of the pay scale on the listing ($16). I'm always happy to negotiate upward, but a guy has to make his case and ask for it. NOPE, he said 'OK, bye,' slapped the table and walked out without so much as a handshake.

Put of a dozen different ways to negotiate or even fully decline, what he did just makes no sense.

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State of Florida accordioned 15 year veteran teacher pay all the way down to 0-year newbies last year.

My district has 500 openings, offering the baseline $47,500, and there are ZERO applicants.

Why the fuck you would suppress pay when you're at an all time high vacancy problem is beyond retarded and DeSantis won't fix it.

I don't know of a school with less than 50% turnover rate year-to-year the last four years. I don't even bother learning my co-workers' names.

Remember when DeSantis wanted veterans in the classroom? The first year, all 6 statewide quit. Last year, 38 of 38 statewide quit. This year, looks like none of the 65 are staying either.

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@miami_jbt

While I agree, I don't like to throw the blame around on a group. That said, at my work, it's that generation that makes the hiring rules.  Hell, we advertise 25.00 an hour entry level positions where we expect a fairly vast tool knowledge and mechanical skill expectations/knowledge.   ImO,that isn't entry level.  We have a job fair at the local high-schools... but never hire kids because of the lack of knowledge. Even though they can pass the entry exam. Then we bitch because everyone we hire is over 40... it's  maddeni g trying to convince them to train the kids and use them as laborers(which is ultimately what the position is.)



Hell, in 2 years that kid can make 75k a year, if they pit in the effort.

The other thing is, nobody wants to work with shit. Literally(wastewate).  Our facility is a training house. Put in the time, get the title of mechanic and move to another plant making 15k a year more.(4th largest plant in the country here.) I wish our city valued us enough to pay more.

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It’s so bad that the company I currently work for just sent me an email asking me to come back to work for them. I’m not sure if they mean “don’t quit over the weekend” or if they don’t know I still work there. Maybe I should reply and negotiate a new salary?

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I went to college for water/Wastewater treatment right out of Highschool (2002). I did an internship after year 1 during the summer at a 5 MGD plant. Every operator at the plant told me they regretted getting into the field. There were a ton of applicants for jobs and the starting wages just out of college were terrible. After that summer I took the State exam for wastewater plant operator 1 and passed it. Finished up a few classes to get a "one year certificate" instead of a 2 year AS and went another direction.