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Posted: 4/21/2023 7:47:50 AM EDT
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true, but it wasn't because of smoking.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 7:48:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2023 7:49:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: true, but it wasn't because of smoking. Maybe you could make the argument that people were skinnier because of all the cigs but otherwise I agree. OP could have just said "America was better forty years ago". |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 7:50:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Freedom is a deadly and complicated balancing act along the edge of a razor blade. There should be as much freedom as possible, right up until you crash into anarchy. To paraphrase a great believer in liberty, "your freedom to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." That said, and as I posted elsewhere, I'm all for the choice being in the hands of individual businesses. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Geezers have ruined it with their pearl clutching. Why is freedom so scary? If a business wants to cater to nasty smokers that should be their prerogative, and yours not to visit them To paraphrase a great believer in liberty, "your freedom to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." That said, and as I posted elsewhere, I'm all for the choice being in the hands of individual businesses. Your nose is free to enter an establishment that prohibits smoking. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 7:50:50 AM EDT
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America became fat when ashtrays got replaced by cup holders in cars. Peoples priorities changed. Traded lung cancer for morbid obesity and diabetes.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 7:53:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: America became fat when ashtrays got replaced by cup holders in cars. Peoples priorities changed. Traded lung cancer for morbid obesity and diabetes.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 7:55:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tard posting should be illegal too. +1... |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 8:06:41 AM EDT
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Is there anything more relaxing than sitting at the bar day drinking with a ice cold Rolling Rock, a shot of Crown, and a Marlboro Gold 100 while watching baseball? No, no there is not.
The Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves because of you smoking Nazis.  |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 8:06:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: Geezers have ruined it with their pearl clutching. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 8:50:46 AM EDT
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Ah yes the days of going to a restaurant and the smell wafting through ruining a meal like a open bucket of shit sitting in the floor.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:03:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck no it wasn't! I remember that "smokers rights" shit all too well! Fuck all you goddamn smokers, polluting everyone's air with your foul shit. I remember, and resent to this day, all of your foul, dangerous shit I had to breathe into order to work. I hope all you smokers freeze to death standing outside for your fix. That's one thing the liberals got right - banning all that shit. In restaurants, at work. Fuck you! It pisses me off just remembering all the shit I had to go through everywhere because of you foul, disgusting, selfish people. Fuck you again! Ditto. Hated it when people lit up in a restaurant, theatre, aeroplane, trains, cars, subways, etc. I also learned not to hire smokers. They always needed to get their nicotine fix and took more breaks to do this and were less productive. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:12:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ditto. Hated it when people lit up in a restaurant, theatre, aeroplane, trains, cars, subways, etc. I also learned not to hire smokers. They always needed to get their nicotine fix and took more breaks to do this and were less productive. 
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:23:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah yes the days of going to a restaurant and the smell wafting through ruining a meal like a open bucket of shit sitting in the floor. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/330CC6C3-704D-4020-B3D5-C91D11232EB1-475.gif Or going to a bar and having to burn you clothes the next day... 
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:27:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck smokers! Agreed! They suck and they stink. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:32:36 AM EDT
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Only a smoker would be self centered though to think everyone else’s enjoyment of the world was somehow improved by their smoking.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:33:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: America became fat when ashtrays got replaced by cup holders in cars. Peoples priorities changed. Traded lung cancer for morbid obesity and diabetes. Fat people don’t smell as bad as smokers. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:33:26 AM EDT
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Nope, indoor smoking (unless a specific place for it,) sucks. I like cigars, I smoke them but only outside or in a lounge. Sucked eating at your restaurant and everything tastes like smoke, it’s fucking disgusting.
Cigarette smokers don’t realize they smell, no one wants to smell it while they’re eating or watching a movie. Even in bars wit smoking sections sucked. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:38:03 AM EDT
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Tobacco was the catalyst of the Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution.
We went from throwing shit out of windows to walking on the moon because of tobacco. Ever seen a picture of Mission Control? Ash trays packed. Then tobacco use fell of a cliff and so did civilization. It’s just truth. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:39:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only a smoker would be self centered though to think everyone else’s enjoyment of the world was somehow improved by their smoking. Not the enjoyment of the world, the quality of human life. Life expectancy is dropping along with smoking. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:41:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:43:00 AM EDT
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The country was definitely in a better place back then, but cigarettes do stink and its hard to eat when someone next to you is smoking.
But, the anti smoking activist crowd then are the same ones pushing trans pedophilia now. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:44:17 AM EDT
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OP is correct, the country was better then. The two things are not connected, smoking indoors didn't make the country better, but the attitude that ALLOWED it did.
End of thread. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:44:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Luckily the people that supported smoking indoors are dying off. I am sensitive to smoke. I choose not to smoke- I shouldn't have to endure breathing your poison clouds. It seeps into carpet, drapes, and even walls. It stains teeth and wrinkles skin. The harm principle states: "people should be free to act however they wish unless their actions cause harm to somebody else" That's not communist that's libertarian. Perhaps the difference is lost on you. Should private establishment be able to allow smoking on their premise? If you don’t like it, simply don’t frequent that establishment. No one cares that you’re “sensitive to smoke”. That’s your problem. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:45:17 AM EDT
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True, but "correlation vs. causation".
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:47:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the enjoyment of the world, the quality of human life. Life expectancy is dropping along with smoking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Only a smoker would be self centered though to think everyone else’s enjoyment of the world was somehow improved by their smoking. Not the enjoyment of the world, the quality of human life. Life expectancy is dropping along with smoking. If that was true, outdoor cancer shacks would be concentrated examples of enlightened civilization- and yet they aren’t. Get a spit cup and some grains. Problem solved, no smoke. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:49:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fat people don’t smell as bad as smokers. Wrong. I’d rather smell smoke than bad hygiene and BO. Fat people are way more disgusting than smokers. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 9:50:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should be up to private businesses if they want to allow it or not I don't want to smell your big diesel passenger truck so lets get the government involved to make them illegal That's the right answer right there. Apart from the occasional cigar and scotch on the back porch, I don't smoke but it's really not the government's business if a business allows it or not. They will gain customers who want to smoke and they will lose customers who don't want to be around it and they will thrive or fail depending on how many customers they get vs how many they lose. Let the free market decide. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:00:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that was true, outdoor cancer shacks would be concentrated examples of enlightened civilization- and yet they aren’t. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Only a smoker would be self centered though to think everyone else’s enjoyment of the world was somehow improved by their smoking. Not the enjoyment of the world, the quality of human life. Life expectancy is dropping along with smoking. If that was true, outdoor cancer shacks would be concentrated examples of enlightened civilization- and yet they aren’t. Well it doesn’t work when you smoke outside. Duh. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:01:09 AM EDT
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People were thinner at least.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:02:18 AM EDT
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Should be up to the establishment. Government has no business deciding what is allowing regarding smoking on private property. The restaurants wanted to ban it themselves, fine their choice.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:03:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong. I’d rather smell smoke than bad hygiene and BO. Fat people are way more disgusting than smokers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fat people don’t smell as bad as smokers. Wrong. I’d rather smell smoke than bad hygiene and BO. Fat people are way more disgusting than smokers. Fat people can bathe. Smokers always stink, |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:05:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that was true, outdoor cancer shacks would be concentrated examples of enlightened civilization- and yet they aren’t. It’s the percentage of people using tobacco, not the location. However stigmatization and exclusion is what caused the decline of use. How does is feel to be pushing ideas that caused the destruction of the West just so that you didn’t have to smell icky smells? |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:05:52 AM EDT
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I remember hitting the bars in my 20’s. Used to have to shower and do laundry immediately once you got home. The stank emanating off your clothes would make your eyes water.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:07:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't smoke anymore so I don't really have a dog in this fight. But for fucks sake if you don't like the smoke filled pool hall go somewhere fucking else instead of demanding the government tell folks how to run their establishment like a god damned Karen. Freedom is hard I guess. Never was a smoker, but this is the correct response. Little bitches here act like someone forced them into the private property open to the public that allows smoking. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:08:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s the percentage of people using tobacco, not the location. However stigmatization and exclusion is what caused the decline of use. How does is feel to be pushing ideas that caused the destruction of the West just so that you didn’t have to smell icky smells? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If that was true, outdoor cancer shacks would be concentrated examples of enlightened civilization- and yet they aren’t. It’s the percentage of people using tobacco, not the location. However stigmatization and exclusion is what caused the decline of use. How does is feel to be pushing ideas that caused the destruction of the West just so that you didn’t have to smell icky smells? Get a spit cup and some grains. Problem solved. See? I’ve saved civilization. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:08:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: true, but it wasn't because of smoking. Correct. There is no correlation between smoking indoors and the strength, wealth and prosperity of a nation. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:08:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Limited tyranny is ok because I shouldn’t have to smell it. Tyranny goes both ways. You want the tyranny to force your vice on everyone else. Your rights end where mine begin and vice versa. I bet you light up while standing in a line, without asking anyone around you if it’s ok. Smokers did it to themselves. Using the in line example, if you ask I’ll tell you to go ahead. If you don’t, I will ask you to step out of line or put it out. At least pretend to understand that not everyone wants to smell that shit. It’s even worse with the pot smokers. They really don’t understand that not everyone wants to smell that shit. I don’t care if you want to smoke, just have some semblance of courtesy. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:09:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP must surely be okay with the neighbor’s dogs shutting in his yard, dumping their trash in the back of his truck bed, loud music being played late at night next door, and parking their cars in his driveway. He’s all about freedom man. ETA - he’s not worried about chronic lung disease either. LOL That's exactly the same thing. Not really. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:10:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are still cigar pubs. You can watch sports, eat nachos & wings, have a stout or three and smoke all you want. Even those places don't allow cigarettes. That said the "dangers of second hand smoke" were ridiculously overblown. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:11:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. It was better. Except for the indoor smoking. Exactly. One of the very few ways the progressives have made my life better. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:11:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: America became fat when ashtrays got replaced by cup holders in cars. Peoples priorities changed. Traded lung cancer for morbid obesity and diabetes. Again, no correlation. Increase in fast foods, corn-syrup diet and more sedentary lifestyle has a lot to do with phatbodies. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:12:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well if you let them smoke inside, they wouldn't have to take a break. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ditto. Hated it when people lit up in a restaurant, theatre, aeroplane, trains, cars, subways, etc. I also learned not to hire smokers. They always needed to get their nicotine fix and took more breaks to do this and were less productive. 
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:12:12 AM EDT
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This country was better 20 to 30 years ago, and it has jack shit to do with smoking.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:13:44 AM EDT
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I've also heard the argument that when more people smoked healthcare costs were actually less. Smokers died in their early 70's after a relatively quick bout of illness instead of lingering on for another 10-20 years.
Not sure what to do with that info but I found it an interesting observation. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:26:57 AM EDT
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Todays kids are indoctrinated about gender shit, previous generation was global warming bullshit, and prior gen was smoking.
I still remember the little smoke nazi's coming off the school buses bitching at their parents about smoking. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:29:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. It was better. Except for the indoor smoking. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:35:28 AM EDT
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Yeah, I like shooting guns, I should be allowed to shoot whatever guns I want in applebees.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:47:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I like shooting guns, I should be allowed to shoot whatever guns I want in applebees. Damn, leave it to GD to come up with the dumbest fucking analogies ever. ETA: there are establishments you can visit where you can shoot your gun. Those that do not like the sound of gunfire are free not to visit. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:48:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP is correct, the country was better then. The two things are not connected, smoking indoors didn't make the country better, but the attitude that ALLOWED it did. End of thread. QFT |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 10:57:31 AM EDT
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I smoke... and while this Country may have been better in the past, it was not because of smoking indoors.
My Father smoked, two packs a day, and I have zero doubt that influenced my taking up smoking. It's a disgusting and expensive habit. |
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