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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:07:09 PM EDT
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We shot to 450+ in the rain at East6, 220 sideways between trees and a barrier at SE3, the range at SE2 was weak sauce. Pistol at E6 was at that damn Polish rack with 8 inch plate at 25 yards. That is way harder than two hits on IPSC paper. After the other stuff, less the chug. I have seen nothing like this in the 3G Ranges on the Tube. Perhaps they don't post those videos that show the tougher ranges. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:08:57 PM EDT
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I’d like to try a 3-gun match. I’d run it with an 870, but I’d probably put a +3 tube extension on it. Shooting stuff is fun, how you place is secondary. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:10:30 PM EDT
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We shot to 450+ in the rain at East6, 220 sideways between trees and a barrier at SE3, the range at SE2 was weak sauce. Pistol at E6 was at that damn Polish rack with 8 inch plate at 25 yards. That is way harder than two hits on IPSC paper. After the other stuff, less the chug. I have seen nothing like this in the 3G Ranges on the Tube. Perhaps they don't post those videos that show the tougher ranges. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:11:15 PM EDT
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Some people do.
The rest, complain. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:16:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:18:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://youtu.be/wP8m0h7R2jA |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:21:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://youtu.be/K8ZTZTF7kKI |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:22:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://youtu.be/K8ZTZTF7kKI |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:23:18 PM EDT
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That is NOT what I saw when I checked it out. I would do that. I ran and walked 14 miles that day between shooting and resetting. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:23:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:27:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No we make fun of people who look like fucking retards shooting gay ass gun games they should be fucking ashamed of............. This trickled down to white SF and then regular units. It is no exaggeration that a lot of Tier 1/SF guys are alive today because of the shooting skills guys like Mike taught them. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:32:13 PM EDT
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Shotguns are FUN.
I couldn't have done that part as fast with a pistol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcsPq06QXLI |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:33:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Top 3 gun shooters like the late Mike Voight brought about a paradigm shift in the way JSOC SMUs shot the AR carbine. This trickled down to white SF and then regular units. It is no exaggeration that a lot of Tier 1/SF guys are alive today because of the shooting skills guys like Mike taught them. You speak truth. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:34:56 PM EDT
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There are some current and retired HSLD guys who shoot 3 gun.
They are fucking good. I'm not going to name names because fuck that. But if you know who they are you will see them if you peruse the results of some major matches. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:40:40 PM EDT
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I understand but at the same time don't understand the opposition to learning how to load a shotgun and play the game.
The very first match I shot, I had no shotgun gear, and a guy handed me a benelli that I had never seen before. Had no idea what the shell cut off button was or what it did. I figured it out on the clock and had a blast. That was back in the days of the weak hand load and also arm bands and side saddles. Then quad loading happened. I bought a caddy for that and taught myself how to quad load in about 2 hours. It's a game. If you don't like it, don't play. If you play, you will be welcomed by the entire crowd and we will bend over backwards to help new shooters. Don't have a shotgun? Here, shoot my Benelli. Your rifle broke? Here, use mine. Here's a tip for all you guys who have never shot any kind of gravity target like a Texas Star. ALWAYS start at the top and work your way down. Shoot it correctly and it will barely move. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:41:44 PM EDT
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Those were the days......
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:45:30 PM EDT
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If I could afford the obscene amounts they spend on ammo, me too. Not to mention the weapons/gear. Even if you reload, it's not a poor mans sport. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks fun. Day of shooting, I’d be in. Not to mention the weapons/gear. Even if you reload, it's not a poor mans sport. I have started doing run and guns that have more practical stages and add in a little cardio to get the heart rate up. Also, you don’t have to have $10,000 in guns and gear to compete! I still need to get to a Cola War! |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:46:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAw man, there you go triggering the memories...
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:46:18 PM EDT
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At the last major match I attended met a young man who decided that his first 3 gun match ever would be the state championship. He brought an 870 and he loaded it one at a time from a USGI Alice magazine pouch. Never herd him complain once about about the "gear fags" with VEPRs and quad load caddies. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:48:43 PM EDT
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That is NOT what I saw when I checked it out. I would do that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: https://youtu.be/wP8m0h7R2jA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhSbdtlAMZU  Generation 3 Gun 2018 Stage 8 Shotguns are fun. 
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:49:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you placed 81st, you weren't beating any seasoned competitors unless they had catastrophic failures and were zeroing out stages. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:49:48 PM EDT
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My first 3 gun match was today , and I was using a borrowed 870 with a mag tube lol I was more concerned with my own safety, not getting DQd and having fun than giving a shit on what anyone else was shooting. There’s so much derp in this thread I don’t even know where to start. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:50:23 PM EDT
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Almost every magazine fed style shotgun I saw today ran like shit and jammed every other round.
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:54:09 PM EDT
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Almost every magazine fed style shotgun I saw today ran like shit and jammed every other round. The MKA 1919's seem to have a pretty good rep though. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:54:09 PM EDT
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Nor is it practical. I was looking at getting into it but realized it’s not my thing. But , to each his own. I have started doing run and guns that have more practical stages and add in a little cardio to get the heart rate up. Also, you don’t have to have $10,000 in guns and gear to compete! I still need to get to a Cola War! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks fun. Day of shooting, I’d be in. Not to mention the weapons/gear. Even if you reload, it's not a poor mans sport. I have started doing run and guns that have more practical stages and add in a little cardio to get the heart rate up. Also, you don’t have to have $10,000 in guns and gear to compete! I still need to get to a Cola War! It is what you make it. The idea that you need to spend 10 grand is just wrong. Most of the guys who bitch about the cost have $10000 worth of guns that they don't ever shoot sitting in a closet and probably pay for a golf membership. I remember a guy looking at me all bug eyed when I told him what my Razor cost. Guy has a house full of $300 Fudd guns but the concept of spending twice as much on half as many doesn't even occur to him. Have fun with your Mosins, Elmer. I've got buddies on a budget who I have helped get into the game. A few afternoons in their garage, slowly opening up their loading port with a file and bullshitting. Add a tube and they have a 3-gun shotgun for under $600. Some guys go buy a brand new Benelli for $1400 and then pay a smith $800 to race it out. You CAN throw money at it, or you can take your time and do just fine. My 3-Gun Benelli came from an old duck hunter. He broke it in for me. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:55:01 PM EDT
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Was it easy, and did you place in the top 60%? |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:55:20 PM EDT
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Saigas? I never saw a saiga make it through an entire match without choking. The MKA 1919's seem to have a pretty good rep though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Almost every magazine fed style shotgun I saw today ran like shit and jammed every other round. The MKA 1919's seem to have a pretty good rep though. He keeps his ammo in a cooler though.  Such is open division. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:55:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @ErikS, a Cola Warrior ROed me through much of this match. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhSbdtlAMZU  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhSbdtlAMZUShotguns are fun. But not. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:56:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Brian Butcher has the only Saiga that I have seen that actually runs. He keeps his ammo in a cooler though. Such is open division. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:59:38 PM EDT
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My first 3 gun match was today , and I was using a borrowed 870 with a mag tube lol I was more concerned with my own safety, not getting DQd and having fun than giving a shit on what anyone else was shooting. There’s so much derp in this thread I don’t even know where to start. Competition WILL make you a better shooter. If you have competition specific questions, Enos Forum is a wealth of information although a lot of that crowd is kinda 'old guard'. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 10:59:45 PM EDT
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a few guys just in my squad we’re running vr80s and they jammed up a lot too. I think it's more the mags just suck than the gun. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 11:02:45 PM EDT
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a few guys just in my squad we’re running vr80s and they jammed up a lot too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Brian Butcher has the only Saiga that I have seen that actually runs. He keeps his ammo in a cooler though. Such is open division. If you notice, Jerry Miculek is still running the old school loading tubes. Yes, he is sponsored by Mossberg. But those enormous shotgun mags aren't exactly quick to load or easy to handle. And he can throw in a tube at any time. I always recommend to new shooters that they play in Limited or Tac Optics division. For a variety of reasons. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 11:04:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Open division ain't for me. If it were, there is a lot of merit to those old tube fed guns. If you notice, Jerry Miculek is still running the old school loading tubes. Yes, he is sponsored by Mossberg. But those enormous shotgun mags aren't exactly quick to load or easy to handle. And he can throw in a tube at any time. I always recommend to new shooters that they play in Limited or Tac Optics division. For a variety of reasons. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 11:05:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Open division ain't for me. If it were, there is a lot of merit to those old tube fed guns. If you notice, Jerry Miculek is still running the old school loading tubes. Yes, he is sponsored by Mossberg. But those enormous shotgun mags aren't exactly quick to load or easy to handle. And he can throw in a tube at any time. I always recommend to new shooters that they play in Limited or Tac Optics division. For a variety of reasons. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 11:07:18 PM EDT
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There’s 2 more matches at this club this year. I need to get a shotgun of my own, a new optic for my AR and some other odds and ends, but I’m going to stick with tactical division |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 11:14:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2019 11:17:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What part of ILL is home? |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 11:34:33 PM EDT
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Quote History'Been to Rockcastle many times BRM3G has always delivered.
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Posted: 3/31/2019 11:54:16 PM EDT
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Some of the best in the game use a G17. If your shotgun runs, that is all you need. Stoeger M3000 is good to go for about $500. Any M4 with an optic that holds zero is all you need. It is what you make it. The idea that you need to spend 10 grand is just wrong. Most of the guys who bitch about the cost have $10000 worth of guns that they don't ever shoot sitting in a closet and probably pay for a golf membership. I remember a guy looking at me all bug eyed when I told him what my Razor cost. Guy has a house full of $300 Fudd guns but the concept of spending twice as much on half as many doesn't even occur to him. Have fun with your Mosins, Elmer. I've got buddies on a budget who I have helped get into the game. A few afternoons in their garage, slowly opening up their loading port with a file and bullshitting. Add a tube and they have a 3-gun shotgun for under $600. Some guys go buy a brand new Benelli for $1400 and then pay a smith $800 to race it out. You CAN throw money at it, or you can take your time and do just fine. My 3-Gun Benelli came from an old duck hunter. He broke it in for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks fun. Day of shooting, I’d be in. Not to mention the weapons/gear. Even if you reload, it's not a poor mans sport. I have started doing run and guns that have more practical stages and add in a little cardio to get the heart rate up. Also, you don’t have to have $10,000 in guns and gear to compete! I still need to get to a Cola War! It is what you make it. The idea that you need to spend 10 grand is just wrong. Most of the guys who bitch about the cost have $10000 worth of guns that they don't ever shoot sitting in a closet and probably pay for a golf membership. I remember a guy looking at me all bug eyed when I told him what my Razor cost. Guy has a house full of $300 Fudd guns but the concept of spending twice as much on half as many doesn't even occur to him. Have fun with your Mosins, Elmer. I've got buddies on a budget who I have helped get into the game. A few afternoons in their garage, slowly opening up their loading port with a file and bullshitting. Add a tube and they have a 3-gun shotgun for under $600. Some guys go buy a brand new Benelli for $1400 and then pay a smith $800 to race it out. You CAN throw money at it, or you can take your time and do just fine. My 3-Gun Benelli came from an old duck hunter. He broke it in for me. 2 gun and run and guns is where I stay! Maybe a C war one day... maybe |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 12:27:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's been my experience with people shooting mag fed shotguns. I think it's more the mags just suck than the gun. Whatever. I learned to throw shells in a port in my cowboy shooting days. I'll take .75-1.25s splits single-feeding a pump all day if it means I get to run between positions instead of heel-toeing as I shove shit in a tube. Fuck that. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 12:54:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Top 3 gun shooters like the late Mike Voight brought about a paradigm shift in the way JSOC SMUs shot the AR carbine. This trickled down to white SF and then regular units. It is no exaggeration that a lot of Tier 1/SF guys are alive today because of the shooting skills guys like Mike taught them. 
If so, I did not know that. Remember Jerry "The Burner" Barnhart? He like totally dropped off the radar for quite a few years. Then he popped up. Turns out he was teaching our snake eaters how to shoot. 
Then he went to some big Steel Challenge match and damn near won the whole thing. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 12:59:03 AM EDT
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There are some current and retired HSLD guys who shoot 3 gun. They are fucking good. I'm not going to name names because fuck that. But if you know who they are you will see them if you peruse the results of some major matches. (for the kids following along at home, that was pre-internet, pre-smart phones, pre-vehicle GPS, and pre-google maps. The guy at the Dillon showroom like gun store (pawn shop?) had to literally draw me a map to that range/USPSA match) |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 6:20:23 AM EDT
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More 3 gun fun, because fuck the haters.... https://youtu.be/fz_ePPNbLsI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz_ePPNbLsI |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 6:42:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is right up my alley. It has been established that your 3G is not what I have been exposed to. The stuff I have seen has equated to memorizing a choreographed short course where the fastest dancer won. A lot of the time you can tell what sort of match to expect by pulling up a google earth view of the range. If it looks like a pistol only range, expect a bunch of bay stages. I dislike 'memory' stages. But I don't mind some tough to see targets on a jungle run through the woods. A good match director can make good stages with smaller bays. But it limits what they can do. That being said, there is something to the 'choreograph' of a high level USPSA shooter. Efficiency on entrance and exit into shooting positions, are the little 1/3 of a second differences that add up to make a match winner. Pistol skills are the most perishable, and there is a lot to be learned about hitting stuff fast from the elite USPSA guys. My pistols skills have diminished somewhat as I have focused more on 3-gun and PRS and less on USPSA. I need to correct that. I have been missing shots that I shouldn't. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 7:20:49 AM EDT
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Do the make a belt fed 12 gauge?
cause 24 rounds in a vepr 12 is just not enough |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 7:30:37 AM EDT
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I am pretty sure I watched and/or shot a USPSA match back in the mid 90's with PatMac out in the sticks of North Carolina (for the kids following along at home, that was pre-internet, pre-smart phones, pre-vehicle GPS, and pre-google maps. The guy at the Dillon showroom like gun store (pawn shop?) had to literally draw me a map to that range/USPSA match) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are some current and retired HSLD guys who shoot 3 gun. They are fucking good. I'm not going to name names because fuck that. But if you know who they are you will see them if you peruse the results of some major matches. (for the kids following along at home, that was pre-internet, pre-smart phones, pre-vehicle GPS, and pre-google maps. The guy at the Dillon showroom like gun store (pawn shop?) had to literally draw me a map to that range/USPSA match) |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 7:59:18 AM EDT
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You will definitely see some ridiculous shit like that at a 3 gun. 2 foot long mag tubes and the loaders hanging off the guy's belt to feed them. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 8:30:51 AM EDT
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Think about it like a semi-auto rifle, but it's a straightwall and the bullet is a wadcutter. It's not going to work well. If you don't have a lifter to position the case properly, the shell just isn't going to feed well unless you have a tapered chamber to the point that you're blowing out case-heads. Whatever. I learned to throw shells in a port in my cowboy shooting days. I'll take .75-1.25s splits single-feeding a pump all day if it means I get to run between positions instead of heel-toeing as I shove shit in a tube. Fuck that. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 9:13:10 AM EDT
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 Attached FilePretty sure Jesse was just screwing around with this setup. I'm not sure if it was completely a joke or just an experiment to see if the gun would actually cycle. Adding that much weight to an inertia gun could cause function issues potentially. Yes, the 12 round shotgun tubes are a little ridiculous. Some matches (Blue Ridge Mountain) do have capacity restrictions (8 rounds for BRM if I recall correctly). Just because you don't like certain aspects of the game doesn't change the fact that there are some very high level shooters involved in it. Competition will make you better. You can get out of it what you put into it. Quite a few match directors are now designing matches that can be shot either with 2 or 3 guns, with the pistol picking up the shotgun targets. |
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Posted: 4/1/2019 9:14:24 AM EDT
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I can't wait to shoot this silly looking thing at 125 yards at CWW. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/173565/IMG_20190330_115536_jpg-896164_JPG_jpg-897049.JPG |
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