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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:10:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they had a hydrophone in the water and were recording it, the exact moment of destruction will be discovered in the investigation. The the people in mission control knew what had happened at the moment it happened. Per most commercial activities they decided to contact HR before doing or saying anything. The rest is simply "following orders". Yup, I'm sure there was a 5-10 minutes of "no, that's not possible, are you sure? maybe the phone is broken, the sensors are wrong" Followed by "uh we need to call someone" and "I can't be certain, there's a chance..." |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:10:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Garnished with the crushed V8 can? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How long until some hipster Manhattan bar tender will come up with the new "Triton" cocktail. It will be Bloody Mary based obviously, and shaken, not stirred. Much easier to just use a can of crushed tomatoes and a boatload of vodka. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:11:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: James Cameron's take. Considering this guy is almost 70 years old, I'm always impressed by this guy's mental acuity and insight.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThZLhNF_xgI was impressed with this guy. I would have expected him to be the stereotypical artsy-fartsy imbecile. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:12:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More mass means you need stronger thrusters, which mean more batteries. More mass means you don't ascend as easily. More mass could make launching and reuniting with the mothership more difficult. Apparently the only time more mass is really helpful is if you are being pursued by Midcap.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:13:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WSJ articles: Sub passengers died in implosion US Navy detected Titan sub implosion days ago At least they went quickly. eta: this reminds me of a story I read from WW I. After depth charging a German U-boat, the Royal Navy destroyer was circling the site listening through sonar. They heard some attempts at restarting the engines, then sounds of gunshots. How long after communications loss did they hear the implosion? Was it same time or hours later? |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:13:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, I'm sure there was a 5-10 minutes of "no, that's not possible, are you sure? maybe the phone is broken, the sensors are wrong" Followed by "uh we need to call someone" and "I can't be certain, there's a chance..." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If they had a hydrophone in the water and were recording it, the exact moment of destruction will be discovered in the investigation. The the people in mission control knew what had happened at the moment it happened. Per most commercial activities they decided to contact HR before doing or saying anything. The rest is simply "following orders". Yup, I'm sure there was a 5-10 minutes of "no, that's not possible, are you sure? maybe the phone is broken, the sensors are wrong" Followed by "uh we need to call someone" and "I can't be certain, there's a chance..." Given how "lean" the company is (was) it's quite likely the design engineers doubled as topside support staff for operations. In that case to call in a rescue would be an admission of their own failure, followed by whatever sort of personal liability one might incur by haphazardly designing something that turns billionaires into salsa. Besides the guilt I imagine the next thing that came to mind is they're about to have a family with billions of dollars for lawyers, doing everything they can to destroy them. Oof. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:13:33 PM EST
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He and Mauger said it included a tail cone, the end bell of the pressure hull and the aft end bell, which according to Hankins, "basically comprise the totality of that pressure vessel." Uhhhh nope, the "totality" would include the middle cylinder section, man... |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:14:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Per James Cameron, they had dumped ballast and were ascending while "managing an emergency" prior to the implosion. Must have been communicated to the mothership prior to the 5:45 am loss of communications. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:15:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the video: James Cameron was saying he was talking to a couple friends in the industry and said Titan must have realized they had a problem and had dropped their weights and were coming back up when they imploded. If true I bet the people on board were shitting bricks. I just watched that. Just wow. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:15:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pictures of the debris field that doesn't have the ballast present, or the ballast weights clustered together away from the debris field. Or, the mother ship didn't disclose everything to the press, but did to the Coast Guard, that they had received a message from the sub that they had dumped ballast & were ascending just before comms were lost. In which case, it doesn't make much sense they'd wait hours & hours before notifying the Coast Guard. Where picture |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:15:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did Capt. Inspirational hear a "crackle"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Per James Cameron, they had dumped ballast and were ascending while "managing an emergency" prior to the implosion. Must have been communicated to the mothership prior to the 5:45 am loss of communications. He claimed there were stress sensors or microphones or something that alert before failure. They were likely shitting themselves for a brief few seconds from the time they released ballast until it imploded. Given that their 1/3 model included measurements of stress/crackling and at what point it failed, it's quite possible their sensors showed a value from which the CEO knew was not recoverable. If those sensors are working I'd wager the CEO may have even known that he killed everyone for a miniscule portion of time before death. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:16:32 PM EST
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It does start to sound like one of those "Oh, that's a big fuckup! Call the lawyers and let them handle it."
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:17:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could this Triton Deepview be modified to get to the Titanic? Current version can hold up to 60 or more people. https://tritonsubs.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/TritonDeepView_3-1200x675.jpg https://tritonsubs.com/wp-content/uploads/DeepView_Hero_2.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Or they could've just called Triton subs and ordered a 5-person full ocean depth rated submersible. Could this Triton Deepview be modified to get to the Titanic? Current version can hold up to 60 or more people. https://tritonsubs.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/TritonDeepView_3-1200x675.jpg https://tritonsubs.com/wp-content/uploads/DeepView_Hero_2.jpg 
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:17:28 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As posted earlier the navy knew because they were listening when it was reported missing and heard an implosion/explosion Kinda makes me wonder if the Navy or CG contacted the mothership, before mothership contacted them. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:20:34 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: KInda makes me wonder if the Navy or CG contacted the mothership, before mothership contacted them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As posted earlier the navy knew because they were listening when it was reported missing and heard an implosion/explosion KInda makes me wonder if the Navy or CG contacted the mothership, before mothership contacted them. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:22:46 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They were probably holding the info until they absolutely had to disclose it. The amount of channels of bureaucracy to release/disclose something like that isn't going to be a quick process either. Probably took time to analyze and go "WTF was that?" too. Big brother is always listening, even underwater 
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:23:44 PM EST
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GD stupid math time.
Average body has about 20 ft2 of skin (surface area) or 2,900 in2. 2,900 in2 X 5,500 psi = 16M lbs or 8,000 tons of weight pressing on your body. Plus the initial velocity of the water plus shrapnel in the water. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:24:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FFS, those people went willingly. They all knew the risks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Stockton Rush fucked around and found out. Sounds like he got the Darwin Award he was asking for, and took four other people with him. Don't fuck with Mother Nature, because she can make you pay with your life. Stockton Rush wasn't the first one to learn about this and he won't be the last. FFS, those people went willingly. They all knew the risks. I'd be willing to bet they didn't know the real risks and all the corners the were cut. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:25:06 PM EST
[#19]
I wonder if the crackle was what made them drop ballast and start going up. They had a moment of oh shit we're dead
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:25:06 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow 250k for a ride. Hopefully they just lost comms and have enough air to come back up.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:25:20 PM EST
[#21]
Probably looked similar to this.
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:25:32 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm trying to imagine a world where my boat, home, private jet, NODS, and NFA collection is so thick, I decided to drop $250k on this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I hear you. But the fact is that 99% of members here couldn’t afford it either way, and 90% still wouldn’t go even if they could. Feel free to pull up any thread about vacationing outside of the US to prove me wrong on that. I'm trying to imagine a world where my boat, home, private jet, NODS, and NFA collection is so thick, I decided to drop $250k on this. I feel you bro. Other stuff I’d spend my money on first. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:25:48 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD stupid math time. Average body has about 20 ft2 of skin (surface area) or 2,900 in2. 2,900 in2 X 5,500 psi = 16M lbs or 8,000 tons of weight pressing on your body. Plus the initial velocity of the water plus shrapnel in the water.  I think the answer is yes
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:26:13 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be willing to bet they didn't know the real risks and all the corners the were cut. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Stockton Rush fucked around and found out. Sounds like he got the Darwin Award he was asking for, and took four other people with him. Don't fuck with Mother Nature, because she can make you pay with your life. Stockton Rush wasn't the first one to learn about this and he won't be the last. FFS, those people went willingly. They all knew the risks. I'd be willing to bet they didn't know the real risks and all the corners the were cut. Yup I agree. The ceo cut a lot of corners and seemed like a conman or at least sketchy |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:27:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long after communications loss did they hear the implosion? Was it same time or hours later? According to the article, it was "shortly after the submersible's disappearance", so probably wasn't that long. My WAG would be less than an hour, if not in minutes. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:28:07 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They originally said they had a 1% chance of survival. They knew right off the bat they weren't coming back. Of course they weren’t coming back. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:28:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly what glue or epoxy resins can withstand the pressure involved? With the differing rates of compression between the two different materials of titanium and carbon fiber I cannot imagine that there is any glue or epoxy resin on earth that could withstand the compressive forces once lowered to that depth and then being able to expand back to its natural state once it's brought back to the surface. Completely ridiculous. It's my guess the bonded joints failed and within the millisecond that water entered the failing bond between the dissimilar materials. The adhesion between the titanium and carbon fiber gave way. I'm surprised it actually held up for more than one cycle. I'm going to have to ask my son, he specializes in adhesives and coatings and holds a master in it. He has come up with some good shit but I've yet to hear him tell me about those kinds of compressive pressures without failure. Most testing isn't of the compressive type, it's sheer or the amount of force needed to pull the test pieces apart and is measured in PSI. If you have two different materials that expand or compress at different rates, a sealant/glue is going to have to be chosen very carefully to keep it from detaching from the part/piece that has the less adhesive surface. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:29:20 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Considering it seems that the tube is ultimately what failed, how likely is it that it was from the dumbasses drilling the monitor mounts into it? I would think it could have been either the hull or the window. If the hull failed it would blow in. If the window failed the pressure would explode in probably blowing the hull out. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:29:44 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As posted earlier the navy knew because they were listening when it was reported missing and heard an implosion/explosion The implosion may have occurred eight hours or so before the Coast Guard was notified. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:30:16 PM EST
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:30:17 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted cause it's great info. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:30:30 PM EST
[#32]
I wonder if the waiver they signed was as airtight as the sub.
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:30:46 PM EST
[#33]
Holy shit. Ol Boy should have watched this Peppa Pig episode.
29:50 "you can make things from piles of rubbish.....like submarines" "It fills up with water so it's very good at going down, but not so much as coming back up"  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:30:59 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was impressed with this guy. I would have expected him to be the stereotypical artsy-fartsy imbecile. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: James Cameron's take. Considering this guy is almost 70 years old, I'm always impressed by this guy's mental acuity and insight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThZLhNF_xgI was impressed with this guy. I would have expected him to be the stereotypical artsy-fartsy imbecile. Telling he stated they had a rescue sub on hand on his Titanic dive as the risk of getting stuck was a lot higher than just looking at the seadbed. This whole thing really looks more and more like Homer Simpson's workplace level of care and attention to detail. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:35:22 PM EST
[#35]
Fucking Dan Crenshaw on now criticizing the response. Saying they could have been on site Wednesday morning to save the crew.
Fuck that asshole. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:35:35 PM EST
[#36]
NBC news just said the teen onboard was terrified to go but didn’t want to disappoint his father.
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:37:00 PM EST
[#37]
Red fog in the water for a few minutes. At least it was really quick, like maybe 0.3 seconds. Now the Titanic site is littered with new debris.
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:37:28 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucking Dan Crenshaw on now criticizing the response. Saying they could have been on site Wednesday morning to save the crew. Fuck that asshole. Wish he'd been on it. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:40:12 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NBC news just said the teen onboard was terrified to go but didn’t want to disappoint his father. That's fucking disturbing...here son lets go on a more than likely to die trip to the bottom of the ocean |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:41:54 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NBC news just said the teen onboard was terrified to go but didn’t want to disappoint his father. Ouch. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:42:58 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucking Dan Crenshaw on now criticizing the response. Saying they could have been on site Wednesday morning to save the crew. Fuck that asshole. Navy probably already knew they were paste. Not like they are going to reconstitute them and killing someone rushing your ass out to the site is stupid. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:43:07 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's fucking disturbing...here son lets go on a more than likely to die trip to the bottom of the ocean Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: NBC news just said the teen onboard was terrified to go but didn’t want to disappoint his father. That's fucking disturbing...here son lets go on a more than likely to die trip to the bottom of the ocean Yep, I feel bad for the kid. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:43:12 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Saw that in the video. Info from "friends in the community" that they dropped weight and were managing an emergency. Where would they get that info? It's nothing that's been made public. If they were lost comms, how could they know that? Exactly. Any "cracking alarm" they got onboard came a millisecond before the crash of water obliterated them all. My opinion is as well (or better) founded than theirs. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:44:01 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucking Dan Crenshaw on now criticizing the response. Saying they could have been on site Wednesday morning to save the crew. Fuck that asshole. Given the WSJ reporting, it looks like maybe the Navy knew there was no reason to rush. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:45:56 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NBC news just said the teen onboard was terrified to go but didn’t want to disappoint his father. The media is full of liars and America hating leftists. Don't believe anything that they say. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:46:33 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted cause it's great info. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted cause it's great info. Subscription required. 
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:49:50 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Subscription required. Scroll up. He quoted the article in the post. It’s a good read, would like to hear your thoughts. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:51:50 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Saw that in the video. Info from "friends in the community" that they dropped weight and were managing an emergency. Where would they get that info? It's nothing that's been made public. If they were lost comms, how could they know that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: From the video: James Cameron was saying he was talking to a couple friends in the industry and said Titan must have realized they had a problem and had dropped their weights and were coming back up when they imploded. If true I bet the people on board were shitting bricks. Saw that in the video. Info from "friends in the community" that they dropped weight and were managing an emergency. Where would they get that info? It's nothing that's been made public. If they were lost comms, how could they know that? Just spitballing, but before comms were “lost,” the submersible pilot may have reported a problem and they were dropping ballast and ascending. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:51:57 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Subscription required. ETA never mind I'll scroll up. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:52:38 PM EST
[#50]
I feel bad about the lives lost. But I hope the passengers had enough time to choke the CEO to death before they perished. |
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