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Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:12:28 PM EDT
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Tremendous?  The estates of the deceased sure have the money to send a Genghis Khan horde of lawyers down on those responsible.  The company assets + insurance are likely bupkis.  Unless you can drag in a peripheal player like Boeing or UW (see above), there's no tremendous litigation.  You sue a broke-dick, wrong company and you become owner of all $500 of broke-dick, wrong company's assets AND liabilities.  Congratulations.
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Underwater forensic investigator: Mapping of submersible pieces will tell story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-LdDFbzcxI


Maritime lawyer: There will be 'tremendous litigation' related to the submersible tragedy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQqyKR4k-vA


Tremendous?  The estates of the deceased sure have the money to send a Genghis Khan horde of lawyers down on those responsible.  The company assets + insurance are likely bupkis.  Unless you can drag in a peripheal player like Boeing or UW (see above), there's no tremendous litigation.  You sue a broke-dick, wrong company and you become owner of all $500 of broke-dick, wrong company's assets AND liabilities.  Congratulations.


Rich people commonly sue to destroy people they dislike rather than for profit.  It's conceivable they will destroy the people who designed or produced the craft with no clear profit to themselves, other than personal satisfaction.  It wouldn't surprise me if some of those "diversity" hires find themselves in a black hole of legal problems.

I mean hell, even poor people do it.  Look how many people end up with egregiously large alimony or child support orders pursued by an angry ex running up debt to their eyeballs in legal fees, knowing the guy will never be able to pay it.  Some people just get a laugh out of seeing their enemies suffer.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:16:15 PM EDT
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Dan is what common people refer to as a moron. We could have had the navy on site when they hit the water and it would be 100% they would still be dead. There was zero percent chance of saving these people.
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Fucking Dan Crenshaw on now criticizing the response. Saying they could have been on site Wednesday morning to save the crew.

Fuck that asshole.



Dan is what common people refer to as a moron. We could have had the navy on site when they hit the water and it would be 100% they would still be dead. There was zero percent chance of saving these people.



This,

This was the sub / deep sea version of a 747 impacting the earth at full throttle, they were all crushed / smashed / mangled and 100% dead in 1/10th of a second, except in the 747 version you might actually have a lucky survivor or two who miraculously survived , zero, zero, zero, zero  chance your surviving a sub implosion at that depth, even if your wearing scuba tanks at the time, just dead. It’s like being in a trash / car compactor that operated at 1000’ a second.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:16:19 PM EDT
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While I understand not wanting to divulge the sensor, I don't understand the delay in reporting. It's not like Titan was on a mission to blow up the Nordstream II pipeline. Between the navy and Cameron's revelation that Titan had dropped ballast and was returning to the surface, it's pretty clear on Sunday people knew this was a recovery operation, not a rescue operation. Yet we spun everything up as if it was a rescue. No one wanted to make that call.
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the news has a vested interest in keeping eyes on web pages as long as possible.  If they acted as if it was likely all over, the story would be mostly dead that same day.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:17:31 PM EDT
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heater blankets are commonly used but at my work we have found that the hotspots they produce are not ideal. I know they are for sure used on rotor blade cures.

Other proprietary options for heating are what we are shifting to now for large parts at least, ours are mostly barrels (rockets) so there are nice ways to heat the inside of an enclosed space.
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They are not placed in vacuum chambers that would do nothing as the entire object would be at the same pressure and thus there would be no vacuum on the object. The items are bagged then lines attached to the bag, sometimes under vacuum but then you will make sure to pull a vacuum to check for leaks. Then the items are placed into the autoclave and the vacuum lines are connected to the outside. The door is closed and the chamber is pressurized not placed under a vacuum. Since the bagged parts are under pressure from the autoclave but vented to the outside a differential is formed and the part cures under pressure. You can also apply vacuum to the parts as well as the pressure to the autoclave. You have to be monitoring the cure as if one bag opens up the entire autoclave will vent out and you may end up scraping the item/parts.

Edit: Instead of bagging in the autoclave sometimes they have fixtures that do the same thing. I've even seen custom bags and release film molded to shape.  I was in a composite manufacturing design class a few years back were they had COOLING pads to control the temperature of some fancy curing parts. I thought that was cool because I was given hell for suggesting using heat blankets on some larger layups in addition to the heat the autoclave uses.


heater blankets are commonly used but at my work we have found that the hotspots they produce are not ideal. I know they are for sure used on rotor blade cures.

Other proprietary options for heating are what we are shifting to now for large parts at least, ours are mostly barrels (rockets) so there are nice ways to heat the inside of an enclosed space.
We use Heatcon blankets all the time for vacuum or mechanical pressure cures. I've just never been able to convince anyone to let me use them in addition to the autoclave (I'm the (was) engineer I can sign this off ;-) ) the along comes Mr. Boeing showing us his cooling blankets .

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Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:17:58 PM EDT
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ABC News Exclusive: Director James Cameron weighs in on Titanic sub incident
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:18:16 PM EDT
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While I understand not wanting to divulge the sensor, I don't understand the delay in reporting. It's not like Titan was on a mission to blow up the Nordstream II pipeline. Between the navy and Cameron's revelation that Titan had dropped ballast and was returning to the surface, it's pretty clear on Sunday people knew this was a recovery operation, not a rescue operation. Yet we spun everything up as if it was a rescue. No one wanted to make that call.
the news has a vested interest in keeping eyes on web pages as long as possible.  If they acted as if it was likely all over, the story would be mostly dead that same day.


The coast guard guy who had no real dog in the fight of how long it stayed in the news (and probably much easier for him if it is not) played the same song and dance as the news people though, saying it was still a search and rescue right up to the moment the wreckage was found.  The coast guard also didn't give any real hints of what they made of the "noises" until finding the wreckage.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:18:31 PM EDT
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There are plenty of adhesives which are used to bond domes into barrels for many, many cycles in order to meet qual, protoqual, and acceptance testing requirements for SMC-S-016
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With those pressures over and over? Interesting. Next up would be the porthole or CF shell.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:18:39 PM EDT
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I beg to differ:

"ASDIC was the primary underwater detection device used by Allied escorts throughout the war. The first versions, crude to say the least, were created near the end of World War One and further developed in the following years by the Royal Navy.

How it works
The ASDIC, known to the Americans as Sonar, was basically a transmitter-receiver sending out a highly directional sound wave through the water. If the sound wave struck a submerged object it was reflected back and picked up by the receiver. The length of the time from transmission until the echo was received was used to measure the range, which was shown as a flickering light on the range scale. By mounting the transmitter head so that it could be directed almost like a searchlight, the bearing of the target could be read from the compass receiver."  source: https://www.uboat.net/allies/technical/asdic.htm
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There was no SONAR in the 1st WW.


I beg to differ:

"ASDIC was the primary underwater detection device used by Allied escorts throughout the war. The first versions, crude to say the least, were created near the end of World War One and further developed in the following years by the Royal Navy.

How it works
The ASDIC, known to the Americans as Sonar, was basically a transmitter-receiver sending out a highly directional sound wave through the water. If the sound wave struck a submerged object it was reflected back and picked up by the receiver. The length of the time from transmission until the echo was received was used to measure the range, which was shown as a flickering light on the range scale. By mounting the transmitter head so that it could be directed almost like a searchlight, the bearing of the target could be read from the compass receiver."  source: https://www.uboat.net/allies/technical/asdic.htm



Its a bit of a moving target. But he is correct.

In WWI there was widespread use of passive hydrophones...listening to noises.  SONAR is "Sound Navigation And Ranging" and that is active pinging, so when active pinging was invented in the interwar period that was new.  It has been written in many, many, books that active SONAR or ASDIC gave the British an overconfident belief system in their ASW capabilities in WWII.  Other then active ASDIC/SONAR, their wasvery little innovation, or budget, for ASW in the interwar period.

Thanks to modern technology it is obvious that passive is infinitely better then it was pre WWII.  But I woudl say the inventors of active SONAR as used in WWII felt they had developed something unavailable in WWI.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:23:35 PM EDT
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Tremendous?  The estates of the deceased sure have the money to send a Genghis Khan horde of lawyers down on those responsible.  The company assets + insurance are likely bupkis.  Unless you can drag in a peripheal player like Boeing or UW (see above), there's no tremendous litigation.  You sue a broke-dick, wrong company and you become owner of all $500 of broke-dick, wrong company's assets AND liabilities.  Congratulations.
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Underwater forensic investigator: Mapping of submersible pieces will tell story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-LdDFbzcxI


Maritime lawyer: There will be 'tremendous litigation' related to the submersible tragedy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQqyKR4k-vA


Tremendous?  The estates of the deceased sure have the money to send a Genghis Khan horde of lawyers down on those responsible.  The company assets + insurance are likely bupkis.  Unless you can drag in a peripheal player like Boeing or UW (see above), there's no tremendous litigation.  You sue a broke-dick, wrong company and you become owner of all $500 of broke-dick, wrong company's assets AND liabilities.  Congratulations.

There's not that much to go after, and the company will cease to exist in the not so distant future.

There are a lot of legal fallacies out there even billionaires think are true. You can't sign away gross negligence or withhold critical facts in a contract.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:24:07 PM EDT
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Titanic survivor was 16 went the ship went down

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Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:25:42 PM EDT
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heater blankets are commonly used but at my work we have found that the hotspots they produce are not ideal. I know they are for sure used on rotor blade cures.

Other proprietary options for heating are what we are shifting too now for large parts at least, ours are mostly barrels (rockets) so there are nice ways to heat the inside of an enclosed space.
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We also make and sell a lot of a steel with low  thermal expansion that is used for making molds for Cf or fiberglass.  Probably some for aerospace but I think boats is a big one
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:25:48 PM EDT
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Rich people commonly sue to destroy people they dislike rather than for profit.  It's conceivable they will destroy the people who designed or produced the craft with no clear profit to themselves, other than personal satisfaction.  It wouldn't surprise me if some of those "diversity" hires find themselves in a black hole of legal problems.

I mean hell, even poor people do it.  Look how many people end up with egregiously large alimony or child support orders pursued by an angry ex, knowing the guy will never be able to pay it.  Some people just get a laugh out of seeing their enemies suffer.
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Well, and there are a lot of ways to shed the liabilities; but what do you get?  Ownership of the IP that killed your loved ones?  The CEO is mush.  You can go after his still alive partner; but that's why LLCs exist.  And his partner has shit to take anyway.

Once, when I was a young pup, I hired a guy to do cabinetry.  He fucked me, and fancy lawyer though I was, he'd hidden and protected his assets well enough that though I'd could prove myself right, it would just be more money spent on top of money I'd never recover.  So, I don't hire anyone unless I know exactly how I'll recover every cent in the deal times 10. Which you know, involves a lot of research at times.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:26:47 PM EDT
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Seriously man, that’s cool. Thanks for the details. Any idea what adhesive was used? I watched the video of the assembly, that seemed to be legit but I’m curious.
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 I couldnt tell.  Looked green?  Maybe
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:27:22 PM EDT
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We also make and sell a lot of a steel with low  thermal expansion that is used for making molds for Cf or fiberglass.  Probably some for aerospace but I think boats is a big one
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We use aluminum because we take advantage of the CTE for demolding
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:27:38 PM EDT
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Rich people commonly sue to destroy people they dislike rather than for profit.  It's conceivable they will destroy the people who designed or produced the craft with no clear profit to themselves, other than personal satisfaction.  It wouldn't surprise me if some of those "diversity" hires find themselves in a black hole of legal problems.

I mean hell, even poor people do it.  Look how many people end up with egregiously large alimony or child support orders pursued by an angry ex running up debt to their eyeballs in legal fees, knowing the guy will never be able to pay it.  Some people just get a laugh out of seeing their enemies suffer.
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Underwater forensic investigator: Mapping of submersible pieces will tell story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-LdDFbzcxI


Maritime lawyer: There will be 'tremendous litigation' related to the submersible tragedy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQqyKR4k-vA


Tremendous?  The estates of the deceased sure have the money to send a Genghis Khan horde of lawyers down on those responsible.  The company assets + insurance are likely bupkis.  Unless you can drag in a peripheal player like Boeing or UW (see above), there's no tremendous litigation.  You sue a broke-dick, wrong company and you become owner of all $500 of broke-dick, wrong company's assets AND liabilities.  Congratulations.


Rich people commonly sue to destroy people they dislike rather than for profit.  It's conceivable they will destroy the people who designed or produced the craft with no clear profit to themselves, other than personal satisfaction.  It wouldn't surprise me if some of those "diversity" hires find themselves in a black hole of legal problems.

I mean hell, even poor people do it.  Look how many people end up with egregiously large alimony or child support orders pursued by an angry ex running up debt to their eyeballs in legal fees, knowing the guy will never be able to pay it.  Some people just get a laugh out of seeing their enemies suffer.

Any type of licensed professional has to 'protect their license' even if it means getting fired if you are given an ultimatum to do something where the liability will come back on you. Other countries are a lot quicker than in the US to go after people criminally for negligence when they are licensed and contribute to the death of people.
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With those pressures over and over? Interesting. Next up would be the porthole or CF shell.
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Not that high of pressures but with reasonably high pressures. these are rocket fuel tanks.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:31:07 PM EDT
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Maybe these days the Navy has an AI reviewing the raw data and when it spots something weird it gives a heads up.
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In the case of Scorpion SOSUS detected the event, but it was not noticed until the sub went missing and they reviewed the recorded data.  That’s probably what happened here.  The primary purpose of the system is not to detect imploding pressure vessels, but they can go through the data and find it if they have reason to look for one.

Maybe these days the Navy has an AI reviewing the raw data and when it spots something weird it gives a heads up.

I'm sure they do.  The question is, what is the AI looking for?  I don't have any experience with SOSUS or it's successor, but I do have some experience with other technologies that present a similar problem.  You have sensors hoovering up a ton of data from the environment, which includes many different signature which could be of interest to somebody under the right circumstances.  You set up the automation to flag signatures that match events relevant to the primary mission of the system and review the data record as needed if questions about something else come up.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:31:17 PM EDT
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the news has a vested interest in keeping eyes on web pages as long as possible.  If they acted as if it was likely all over, the story would be mostly dead that same day.
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While I understand not wanting to divulge the sensor, I don't understand the delay in reporting. It's not like Titan was on a mission to blow up the Nordstream II pipeline. Between the navy and Cameron's revelation that Titan had dropped ballast and was returning to the surface, it's pretty clear on Sunday people knew this was a recovery operation, not a rescue operation. Yet we spun everything up as if it was a rescue. No one wanted to make that call.
the news has a vested interest in keeping eyes on web pages as long as possible.  If they acted as if it was likely all over, the story would be mostly dead that same day.

There was a valid explanation of not using a single source to definitively say it imploded and being the guy that falls on if they were wrong and sub washed up somewhere with bodies in it.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:31:55 PM EDT
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what an aweful tragedy, selfish of the CEO to build such a weak craft and then hide the true safety of it behind lies., and selfish on the Father to make his son go with him when its now known he did not want to. what a shame.  May they RIP.
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We use aluminum because we take advantage of the CTE for demolding
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I have to look up the trade name, but internally we just call it 902.  Which probably means nothing to almost everyone outside the company.  But our salesperson would.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:32:05 PM EDT
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The coast guard guy who had no real dog in the fight of how long it stayed in the news (and probably much easier for him if it is not) played the same song and dance as the news people though, saying it was still a search and rescue right up to the moment the wreckage was found.  The coast guard also didn't give any real hints of what they made of the "noises" until finding the wreckage.
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yeah, don't know how to look at that. Maybe he wasn't authorized to give out any info.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:33:25 PM EDT
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yeah, don't know how to look at that. Maybe he wasn't authorized to give out any info.
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The coast guard guy who had no real dog in the fight of how long it stayed in the news (and probably much easier for him if it is not) played the same song and dance as the news people though, saying it was still a search and rescue right up to the moment the wreckage was found.  The coast guard also didn't give any real hints of what they made of the "noises" until finding the wreckage.
yeah, don't know how to look at that. Maybe he wasn't authorized to give out any info.


They didn't have proof until they found the wreckage.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:33:53 PM EDT
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Sub imploded heard by Navy 5 days ago - 1

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There was a valid explanation of not using a single source to definitively say it imploded and being the guy that falls on if they were wrong and sub washed up somewhere with bodies in it.
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this is a great answer
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 11:37:06 PM EDT
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Could it be that the Navy had the info but no roof that it was the sub?  How would they know it wasn't some O2 tanks on the sub or something else the company was doing?  They can make assumptions, but that's not their job at that point.  It's not their operation so they are just passing along information.
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Could it be that the Navy had the info but no roof that it was the sub?  How would they know it wasn't some O2 tanks on the sub or something else the company was doing?  They can make assumptions, but that's not their job at that point.  It's not their operation so they are just passing along information.
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Could it be that the Navy had the info but no roof that it was the sub?  How would they know it wasn't some O2 tanks on the sub or something else the company was doing?  They can make assumptions, but that's not their job at that point.  It's not their operation so they are just passing along information.


I love how serious GD is, all the time
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Its a bit of a moving target. But he is correct.

In WWI there was widespread use of passive hydrophones...listening to noises.  SONAR is "Sound Navigation And Ranging" and that is active pinging, so when active pinging was invented in the interwar period that was new.  It has been written in many, many, books that active SONAR or ASDIC gave the British an overconfident belief system in their ASW capabilities in WWII.  Other then active ASDIC/SONAR, their wasvery little innovation, or budget, for ASW in the interwar period.

Thanks to modern technology it is obvious that passive is infinitely better then it was pre WWII.  But I woudl say the inventors of active SONAR as used in WWII felt they had developed something unavailable in WWI.
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There was no SONAR in the 1st WW.


I beg to differ:

"ASDIC was the primary underwater detection device used by Allied escorts throughout the war. The first versions, crude to say the least, were created near the end of World War One and further developed in the following years by the Royal Navy.

How it works
The ASDIC, known to the Americans as Sonar, was basically a transmitter-receiver sending out a highly directional sound wave through the water. If the sound wave struck a submerged object it was reflected back and picked up by the receiver. The length of the time from transmission until the echo was received was used to measure the range, which was shown as a flickering light on the range scale. By mounting the transmitter head so that it could be directed almost like a searchlight, the bearing of the target could be read from the compass receiver."  source: https://www.uboat.net/allies/technical/asdic.htm



Its a bit of a moving target. But he is correct.

In WWI there was widespread use of passive hydrophones...listening to noises.  SONAR is "Sound Navigation And Ranging" and that is active pinging, so when active pinging was invented in the interwar period that was new.  It has been written in many, many, books that active SONAR or ASDIC gave the British an overconfident belief system in their ASW capabilities in WWII.  Other then active ASDIC/SONAR, their wasvery little innovation, or budget, for ASW in the interwar period.

Thanks to modern technology it is obvious that passive is infinitely better then it was pre WWII.  But I woudl say the inventors of active SONAR as used in WWII felt they had developed something unavailable in WWI.


Wikipedia (I know ...)  ""Sonar" can refer to one of two types of technology: passive sonar means listening for the sound made by vessels; active sonar means emitting pulses of sounds and listening for echoes."

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"The Canadian engineer Reginald Fessenden, while working for the Submarine Signal Company in Boston, Massachusetts, built an experimental system beginning in 1912, a system later tested in Boston Harbor, and finally in 1914 from the U.S. Revenue Cutter Miami on the Grand Banks off Newfoundland.[10] In that test, Fessenden demonstrated depth sounding, underwater communications (Morse code) and echo ranging (detecting an iceberg at a 2-mile (3.2 km) range).[11][12] The "Fessenden oscillator", operated at about 500 Hz frequency, was unable to determine the bearing of the iceberg due to the 3-metre wavelength and the small dimension of the transducer's radiating face (less than 1/3 wavelength in diameter). The ten Montreal-built British H-class submarines launched in 1915 were equipped with Fessenden oscillators."

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"ASDIC

ASDIC display unit from around 1944
In 1916, under the British Board of Invention and Research, Canadian physicist Robert William Boyle took on the active sound detection project with A. B. Wood, producing a prototype for testing in mid-1917. This work for the Anti-Submarine Division of the British Naval Staff was undertaken in utmost secrecy, and used quartz piezoelectric crystals to produce the world's first practical underwater active sound detection apparatus. To maintain secrecy, no mention of sound experimentation or quartz was made – the word used to describe the early work ("supersonics") was changed to "ASD"ics, and the quartz material to "ASD"ivite: "ASD" for "Anti-Submarine Division", hence the British acronym ASDIC. In 1939, in response to a question from the Oxford English Dictionary, the Admiralty made up the story that it stood for "Allied Submarine Detection Investigation Committee", and this is still widely believed,[14] though no committee bearing this name has been found in the Admiralty archives.[15]

By 1918, Britain and France had built prototype active systems."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonar

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Hopefully the people involved in building this don't put it down on their resume expecting another job. Of course in todays world who knows.
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Posting before they delete everything...


Titanic Expedition Dive Experience 2023

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James Cameron says he was told on MONDAY that the sound of the Titan sub imploding had been detected, and claims the carbon fiber hull of the doomed ship was known to be unsuitable


James Cameron was told within 24 hours of the Titanic sub disappearing that it had been heard to implode, and 'watched over the ensuing days this whole sort of everybody-running-around-with-their-hair-on-fire search, knowing full well that it was futile.'

The film director and deep sea expert, who has made over 30 dives down to the Titanic wreckage, said he was told on Monday that the noise of a likely implosion had been registered by underwater acoustic devices.

'I tracked down some intel that was probably of a military origin, although it could have been research - because there are hydrophones all over the Atlantic - and got confirmation that there was loud noise consistent with an implosion,' he told CNN.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/06/23/03/72443203-12225371-image-a-32_1687487224348.jpg


He said it did not surprise him, because he felt the carbon fiber hull of OceanGate Expedition's sub, named Titan, was fundamentally unsuitable.


Cameron told Anderson Cooper on Thursday night he was 'kind of heart sick from the outcome of this.'

But, he said, he had had more time than most to come to terms with it.

'I've been living with it for a few days now, as have some of my colleagues in the deep submergence community,' he said.

'I was out on a ship myself when this happened on Sunday.

'The first I heard of it was on Monday morning. I immediately got on my network - because it's a very small community in the deep submergence group - and found out some information with about a half hour that they had lost comms and they had lost tracking simultaneously.

'The only scenario that I could come up with in my mind that could account for that was an implosion. A shockwave event so powerful it actually took out a secondary system that has its own pressure vessel and its own battery power supply, which is the transponder that the ship uses to track where the sub is.'

Cameron, 68, said he began speaking to friends and colleagues in the deep sea industry, and swiftly learned that there was little doubt there had been a catastrophic implosion.

'I let all of my inner circle of people know that we had lost our comrades, and I encouraged everyone to raise a glass in their honor on Monday.

'Then I watched over the ensuing days this whole sort of everybody-running-around-with-their-hair-on-fire search, knowing full well that it was futile, hoping against hope that I was wrong but knowing in my bones that I wasn't.'

Cameron said it 'certainly wasn't a surprise' when the U.S. Coast Guard and OceanGate confirmed on Thursday that all five onboard were dead, and debris from the imploded sub had been found on the sea bed.

He said he felt terrible for the families, saying they had to 'go through these false hopes that kept getting dangled as it played out.'

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James cameron sure does push the fact over and over that he knew before everyone else that it imploded, why is that of any concern other than for hsi own EGO, "im smarter than everyone else and I knew before you did!!" type attitude is cringe.  
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Sub imploded heard by Navy 5 days ago - 1

Whistle blowers and John Durham hunter biden story for the week - 0

Could it be that the Navy had the info but no roof that it was the sub?  How would they know it wasn't some O2 tanks on the sub or something else the company was doing?  They can make assumptions, but that's not their job at that point.  It's not their operation so they are just passing along information.


I love how serious GD is, all the time

Because you can be 99% sure and when you work in government thats not 100% sure or your career is on the line. You strongly suggest or imply that is what the data implies (you never say that is your opinion you say that is what the data says placing blame on the data or say the analysts think that).

And to be fair pretty much everyone assumed they had a major failure days ago but it was entertaining to contemplate alternative theories fora feww days.

If they do recover the cameras I doubt they will ever be made public.
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I kind of feel bad for the youngsters this grifter got to work for his fly by night company, he dangled sub commander in front of them and to hell with the 50yr white guy. This will follow them for the rest of their lives, they probably we conned so well they didn’t know any better.
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James Cameron was told within 24 hours of the Titanic sub disappearing that it had been heard to implode, and 'watched over the ensuing days this whole sort of everybody-running-around-with-their-hair-on-fire search, knowing full well that it was futile.'

The film director and deep sea expert, who has made over 30 dives down to the Titanic wreckage, said he was told on Monday that the noise of a likely implosion had been registered by underwater acoustic devices.

'I tracked down some intel that was probably of a military origin, although it could have been research - because there are hydrophones all over the Atlantic - and got confirmation that there was loud noise consistent with an implosion,' he told CNN.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/06/23/03/72443203-12225371-image-a-32_1687487224348.jpg


He said it did not surprise him, because he felt the carbon fiber hull of OceanGate Expedition's sub, named Titan, was fundamentally unsuitable.


Cameron told Anderson Cooper on Thursday night he was 'kind of heart sick from the outcome of this.'

But, he said, he had had more time than most to come to terms with it.

'I've been living with it for a few days now, as have some of my colleagues in the deep submergence community,' he said.

'I was out on a ship myself when this happened on Sunday.

'The first I heard of it was on Monday morning. I immediately got on my network - because it's a very small community in the deep submergence group - and found out some information with about a half hour that they had lost comms and they had lost tracking simultaneously.

'The only scenario that I could come up with in my mind that could account for that was an implosion. A shockwave event so powerful it actually took out a secondary system that has its own pressure vessel and its own battery power supply, which is the transponder that the ship uses to track where the sub is.'

Cameron, 68, said he began speaking to friends and colleagues in the deep sea industry, and swiftly learned that there was little doubt there had been a catastrophic implosion.

'I let all of my inner circle of people know that we had lost our comrades, and I encouraged everyone to raise a glass in their honor on Monday.

'Then I watched over the ensuing days this whole sort of everybody-running-around-with-their-hair-on-fire search, knowing full well that it was futile, hoping against hope that I was wrong but knowing in my bones that I wasn't.'

Cameron said it 'certainly wasn't a surprise' when the U.S. Coast Guard and OceanGate confirmed on Thursday that all five onboard were dead, and debris from the imploded sub had been found on the sea bed.

He said he felt terrible for the families, saying they had to 'go through these false hopes that kept getting dangled as it played out.'

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James cameron sure does push the fact over and over that he knew before everyone else that it imploded, why is that of any concern other than for hsi own EGO, "im smarter than everyone else and I knew before you did!!" type attitude is cringe.  

Because until they get eyes on its circumstantial evidence, and you get people real world experience that you can't train for.

Of all the things people could complain about going sub hunting is not one I'd expect. This will and should be used for training for a long time. Good on them and it was a learning opportunity
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He is not the only person that does this stuff that has said that in regards to this.  Considering there are only ten vessels capable of doing this type of stuff all these folks know each other and stay in touch.  He also knew that the design of Titan was dangerous like the rest of those folks as well.
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I beg to differ:

"ASDIC was the primary underwater detection device used by Allied escorts throughout the war. The first versions, crude to say the least, were created near the end of World War One and further developed in the following years by the Royal Navy.

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The ASDIC, known to the Americans as Sonar, was basically a transmitter-receiver sending out a highly directional sound wave through the water. If the sound wave struck a submerged object it was reflected back and picked up by the receiver. The length of the time from transmission until the echo was received was used to measure the range, which was shown as a flickering light on the range scale. By mounting the transmitter head so that it could be directed almost like a searchlight, the bearing of the target could be read from the compass receiver."  source: https://www.uboat.net/allies/technical/asdic.htm
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"ASDIC was the primary underwater detection device used by Allied escorts throughout the war. The first versions, crude to say the least, were created near the end of World War One and further developed in the following years by the Royal Navy.

How it works
The ASDIC, known to the Americans as Sonar, was basically a transmitter-receiver sending out a highly directional sound wave through the water. If the sound wave struck a submerged object it was reflected back and picked up by the receiver. The length of the time from transmission until the echo was received was used to measure the range, which was shown as a flickering light on the range scale. By mounting the transmitter head so that it could be directed almost like a searchlight, the bearing of the target could be read from the compass receiver."  source: https://www.uboat.net/allies/technical/asdic.htm



....AssDick? what a very submariner term
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I would have faith in the titanium domes but they are also being pushed against a CF tube

In the vid a CF tube failed at 29000kg Titanium failed at about 90000kg. 3x the resistance to pressue.

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Looks like before it gives carbon fiber will "crack and creak" as it delaminated. Wonder if they heard the initial pops and tried to ascend
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Which leads to some interesting decision-making calls.

Let's say you're the crew on board their support ship. Titan stops broadcasting, and your comms guy reports having heard a weird noise right after the last data packet.

Seven hours go by with no more word. You're Pretty Fucking Sure they're all dead, but what do you do? Just give up and sail home? Pull into port and say "yup, figured they're all vaporized two miles down, time to call your local probate courts"?

You don't have any other submersibles, you don't have any ROVs, you don't have any real capabilities. Realistically, you know the CEO just fucked around and found out (or not - at the speeds involved its quite possible he never gained even a few brief seconds of realization that his own short-sighted hubris cost four other people their lives). But you can't prove it and can't do anything for a rescue.

So you call in a mayday and start the search efforts off, knowing all the while that its a totally futile gesture intended just to produce closure.
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He is not the only person that does this stuff that has said that in regards to this.  Considering there are only ten vessels capable of doing this type of stuff all these folks know each other and stay in touch.  He also knew that the design of Titan was dangerous like the rest of those folks as well.
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James cameron sure does push the fact over and over that he knew before everyone else that it imploded, why is that of any concern other than for hsi own EGO, "im smarter than everyone else and I knew before you did!!" type attitude is cringe.  

He is not the only person that does this stuff that has said that in regards to this.  Considering there are only ten vessels capable of doing this type of stuff all these folks know each other and stay in touch.  He also knew that the design of Titan was dangerous like the rest of those folks as well.


Yeah he literally stated other people in this tiny industry were so concerned they sent a letter to Oceangate about the dangers of what they were doing and not to take passengers. I didn't see any ego in his interview, just experience of decades with the design and operation of deep sea submersibles. Which as he said has been going on since the 60s with zero deaths until this fucking retard.
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Which leads to some interesting decision-making calls.

Let's say you're the crew on board their support ship. Titan stops broadcasting, and your comms guy reports having heard a weird noise right after the last data packet.

Seven hours go by with no more word. You're Pretty Fucking Sure they're all dead, but what do you do? Just give up and sail home? Pull into port and say "yup, figured they're all vaporized two miles down, time to call your local probate courts"?

You don't have any other submersibles, you don't have any ROVs, you don't have any real capabilities. Realistically, you know the CEO just fucked around and found out (or not - at the speeds involved its quite possible he never gained even a few brief seconds of realization that his own short-sighted hubris cost four other people their lives). But you can't prove it and can't do anything for a rescue.

So you call in a mayday and start the search efforts off, knowing all the while that its a totally futile gesture intended just to produce closure.
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Which leads to some interesting decision-making calls.

Let's say you're the crew on board their support ship. Titan stops broadcasting, and your comms guy reports having heard a weird noise right after the last data packet.

Seven hours go by with no more word. You're Pretty Fucking Sure they're all dead, but what do you do? Just give up and sail home? Pull into port and say "yup, figured they're all vaporized two miles down, time to call your local probate courts"?

You don't have any other submersibles, you don't have any ROVs, you don't have any real capabilities. Realistically, you know the CEO just fucked around and found out (or not - at the speeds involved its quite possible he never gained even a few brief seconds of realization that his own short-sighted hubris cost four other people their lives). But you can't prove it and can't do anything for a rescue.

So you call in a mayday and start the search efforts off, knowing all the while that its a totally futile gesture intended just to produce closure.

Thats the way it should work. You go full bore until there is conclusive evidence to the contrary.
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at 1:26  "we partnered with aerospace experts at the University of Washington, NASA and Boeing on the design of our hull"

How about giving General Dynamics Electric Boat Company a call?
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He is not the only person that does this stuff that has said that in regards to this.  Considering there are only ten vessels capable of doing this type of stuff all these folks know each other and stay in touch.  He also knew that the design of Titan was dangerous like the rest of those folks as well.
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Yeah, I loathe Cameron, but he is part of a very unique “club” with his experience on the wreck and personally diving to those depths.

It’s not shocking at all that he would have been informed and consulted before most people.
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at 1:26  "we partnered with aerospace experts at the University of Washington, NASA and Boeing on the design of our hull"

How about giving General Dynamics Electric Boat Company a call?

Time will tell but no doubt they made up data


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Yeah, I loathe Cameron, but he is part of a very unique "club" with his experience on the wreck and personally diving to those depths.

It's not shocking at all that he would have been informed and consulted before most people.
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He is not the only person that does this stuff that has said that in regards to this.  Considering there are only ten vessels capable of doing this type of stuff all these folks know each other and stay in touch.  He also knew that the design of Titan was dangerous like the rest of those folks as well.

Yeah, I loathe Cameron, but he is part of a very unique "club" with his experience on the wreck and personally diving to those depths.

It's not shocking at all that he would have been informed and consulted before most people.

He is a SME on this 100%
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James Cameron was told within 24 hours of the Titanic sub disappearing that it had been heard to implode, and 'watched over the ensuing days this whole sort of everybody-running-around-with-their-hair-on-fire search, knowing full well that it was futile.'

The film director and deep sea expert, who has made over 30 dives down to the Titanic wreckage, said he was told on Monday that the noise of a likely implosion had been registered by underwater acoustic devices.

'I tracked down some intel that was probably of a military origin, although it could have been research - because there are hydrophones all over the Atlantic - and got confirmation that there was loud noise consistent with an implosion,' he told CNN.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/06/23/03/72443203-12225371-image-a-32_1687487224348.jpg


He said it did not surprise him, because he felt the carbon fiber hull of OceanGate Expedition's sub, named Titan, was fundamentally unsuitable.


Cameron told Anderson Cooper on Thursday night he was 'kind of heart sick from the outcome of this.'

But, he said, he had had more time than most to come to terms with it.

'I've been living with it for a few days now, as have some of my colleagues in the deep submergence community,' he said.

'I was out on a ship myself when this happened on Sunday.

'The first I heard of it was on Monday morning. I immediately got on my network - because it's a very small community in the deep submergence group - and found out some information with about a half hour that they had lost comms and they had lost tracking simultaneously.

'The only scenario that I could come up with in my mind that could account for that was an implosion. A shockwave event so powerful it actually took out a secondary system that has its own pressure vessel and its own battery power supply, which is the transponder that the ship uses to track where the sub is.'

Cameron, 68, said he began speaking to friends and colleagues in the deep sea industry, and swiftly learned that there was little doubt there had been a catastrophic implosion.

'I let all of my inner circle of people know that we had lost our comrades, and I encouraged everyone to raise a glass in their honor on Monday.

'Then I watched over the ensuing days this whole sort of everybody-running-around-with-their-hair-on-fire search, knowing full well that it was futile, hoping against hope that I was wrong but knowing in my bones that I wasn't.'

Cameron said it 'certainly wasn't a surprise' when the U.S. Coast Guard and OceanGate confirmed on Thursday that all five onboard were dead, and debris from the imploded sub had been found on the sea bed.

He said he felt terrible for the families, saying they had to 'go through these false hopes that kept getting dangled as it played out.'

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I listened to this tonight and I thought damn, James Cameron is based. No bullshit
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James Cameron was told within 24 hours of the Titanic sub disappearing that it had been heard to implode, and 'watched over the ensuing days this whole sort of everybody-running-around-with-their-hair-on-fire search, knowing full well that it was futile.'

The film director and deep sea expert, who has made over 30 dives down to the Titanic wreckage, said he was told on Monday that the noise of a likely implosion had been registered by underwater acoustic devices.

'I tracked down some intel that was probably of a military origin, although it could have been research - because there are hydrophones all over the Atlantic - and got confirmation that there was loud noise consistent with an implosion,' he told CNN.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/06/23/03/72443203-12225371-image-a-32_1687487224348.jpg


He said it did not surprise him, because he felt the carbon fiber hull of OceanGate Expedition's sub, named Titan, was fundamentally unsuitable.


Cameron told Anderson Cooper on Thursday night he was 'kind of heart sick from the outcome of this.'

But, he said, he had had more time than most to come to terms with it.

'I've been living with it for a few days now, as have some of my colleagues in the deep submergence community,' he said.

'I was out on a ship myself when this happened on Sunday.

'The first I heard of it was on Monday morning. I immediately got on my network - because it's a very small community in the deep submergence group - and found out some information with about a half hour that they had lost comms and they had lost tracking simultaneously.

'The only scenario that I could come up with in my mind that could account for that was an implosion. A shockwave event so powerful it actually took out a secondary system that has its own pressure vessel and its own battery power supply, which is the transponder that the ship uses to track where the sub is.'

Cameron, 68, said he began speaking to friends and colleagues in the deep sea industry, and swiftly learned that there was little doubt there had been a catastrophic implosion.

'I let all of my inner circle of people know that we had lost our comrades, and I encouraged everyone to raise a glass in their honor on Monday.

'Then I watched over the ensuing days this whole sort of everybody-running-around-with-their-hair-on-fire search, knowing full well that it was futile, hoping against hope that I was wrong but knowing in my bones that I wasn't.'

Cameron said it 'certainly wasn't a surprise' when the U.S. Coast Guard and OceanGate confirmed on Thursday that all five onboard were dead, and debris from the imploded sub had been found on the sea bed.

He said he felt terrible for the families, saying they had to 'go through these false hopes that kept getting dangled as it played out.'

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I listened to this tonight and I thought damn, James Cameron is based. No bullshit


Bob Ballard was being super diplomatic about it but Cameron went all in lol. Both of those men though are people I'd listen to any day about how to reach those depths safely. Unfortunately they're old white men and the Oceangate CEO had no time for that nonsense.
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James cameron sure does push the fact over and over that he knew before everyone else that it imploded, why is that of any concern other than for hsi own EGO, "im smarter than everyone else and I knew before you did!!" type attitude is cringe.  
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James Cameron was told within 24 hours of the Titanic sub disappearing that it had been heard to implode, and 'watched over the ensuing days this whole sort of everybody-running-around-with-their-hair-on-fire search, knowing full well that it was futile.'

The film director and deep sea expert, who has made over 30 dives down to the Titanic wreckage, said he was told on Monday that the noise of a likely implosion had been registered by underwater acoustic devices.

'I tracked down some intel that was probably of a military origin, although it could have been research - because there are hydrophones all over the Atlantic - and got confirmation that there was loud noise consistent with an implosion,' he told CNN.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/06/23/03/72443203-12225371-image-a-32_1687487224348.jpg


He said it did not surprise him, because he felt the carbon fiber hull of OceanGate Expedition's sub, named Titan, was fundamentally unsuitable.


Cameron told Anderson Cooper on Thursday night he was 'kind of heart sick from the outcome of this.'

But, he said, he had had more time than most to come to terms with it.

'I've been living with it for a few days now, as have some of my colleagues in the deep submergence community,' he said.

'I was out on a ship myself when this happened on Sunday.

'The first I heard of it was on Monday morning. I immediately got on my network - because it's a very small community in the deep submergence group - and found out some information with about a half hour that they had lost comms and they had lost tracking simultaneously.

'The only scenario that I could come up with in my mind that could account for that was an implosion. A shockwave event so powerful it actually took out a secondary system that has its own pressure vessel and its own battery power supply, which is the transponder that the ship uses to track where the sub is.'

Cameron, 68, said he began speaking to friends and colleagues in the deep sea industry, and swiftly learned that there was little doubt there had been a catastrophic implosion.

'I let all of my inner circle of people know that we had lost our comrades, and I encouraged everyone to raise a glass in their honor on Monday.

'Then I watched over the ensuing days this whole sort of everybody-running-around-with-their-hair-on-fire search, knowing full well that it was futile, hoping against hope that I was wrong but knowing in my bones that I wasn't.'

Cameron said it 'certainly wasn't a surprise' when the U.S. Coast Guard and OceanGate confirmed on Thursday that all five onboard were dead, and debris from the imploded sub had been found on the sea bed.

He said he felt terrible for the families, saying they had to 'go through these false hopes that kept getting dangled as it played out.'

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James cameron sure does push the fact over and over that he knew before everyone else that it imploded, why is that of any concern other than for hsi own EGO, "im smarter than everyone else and I knew before you did!!" type attitude is cringe.  

He said he was on a trip, on the water when it happened. Maybe they were monitoring radio chatter or even spoke to the mothership
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Paul-Henri Nargeolet, 77 - known universally as PH - was part of the first human expedition to visit the Titanic's wreck in 1987, and had visited the site at least 35 times. His family said their hearts were broken over his death.

'He is a man who will be remembered as one of the greatest deep-sea explorers in modern history. When you think of the Titanic and all we know about the ship today, you will think of Paul-Henri Nargeolet and his legendary work.

'But what we will remember him most for is his big heart, his incredible sense of humor and how much he loved his family. We will miss him today and every day for the rest of our lives.'
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In a weird way, he likely came out the best of all. Most of his professional career was about the Titanic. At 77, he didn't have much time ahead of him.

Dying on site, becoming part of the legend, never having to spend a second in a hospital bed or suffering from progressive terminal illness...kinda hard to beat that.

Almost makes me wonder if, given his experience with subs, he didn't fully recognize just how risky the vessel was, and figured "meh, if it goes, cool by me"...
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James cameron sure does push the fact over and over that he knew before everyone else that it imploded, why is that of any concern other than for hsi own EGO, "im smarter than everyone else and I knew before you did!!" type attitude is cringe.  
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On an ABC interview today he said he actually spent more time on the Titanic than the captain did.

Here's the video, first 10 seconds




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