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Posted: 6/23/2023 12:40:44 AM EDT
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 James Cameron on the 'surreal irony' of Titanic wreck and Titan implosion James Cameron on "fundamental flaw" in design of Titan submersible  James Cameron on 'fundamental flaw' in design of Titan submersible |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 12:42:43 AM EDT
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This has some interesting social media bits
 The Truth About the Titanic |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 12:44:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On an ABC interview today he said he actually spent more time on the Titanic than the captain did.  Here's the video, first 10 seconds
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: James cameron sure does push the fact over and over that he knew before everyone else that it imploded, why is that of any concern other than for hsi own EGO, "im smarter than everyone else and I knew before you did!!" type attitude is cringe. Here's the video, first 10 seconds
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Posted: 6/23/2023 12:49:19 AM EDT
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Video of glueing the titanium ring to the CF:hull with epoxy:
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Posted: 6/23/2023 12:55:00 AM EDT
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1912: Opponents of the creation of the Federal Reserve sink aboard the Titanic
2023: Opponents of the creation of CBDC sink aboard the Titan (I have no credible source for this claim whatsoever please clap) |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 1:03:22 AM EDT
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Yah know, we've been ripping on this sub and it's designer for all the janky features, but by golly, I think it's super cool how they had the ceiling of the sub light up like the inside of the "Cash Cab" when someone gets in!!
at 23:05  Mi expedición al TITANIC parte 1/4 | Alan por el mundo |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 1:37:30 AM EDT
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I'm just back to say my prediction was, shockingly, wrong
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Posted: 6/23/2023 1:41:48 AM EDT
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The descent into darkness starts at (5:00) Watching Titanic on the way down (6:21)
 Baje´ a los restos del Titanic 4K | Parte 4/4 |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 2:55:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell, he probably has. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: James cameron sure does push the fact over and over that he knew before everyone else that it imploded, why is that of any concern other than for hsi own EGO, "im smarter than everyone else and I knew before you did!!" type attitude is cringe. Here's the video, first 10 seconds
He’s made 33 dives to the wreck. One of those included being pinned against her by current for 16 hours. The Titanic’s voyage was only about 4 days. That single dive was 1/6 the entire operational life of the ship. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 4:07:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He’s made 33 dives to the wreck. One of those included being pinned against her by current for 16 hours. The Titanic’s voyage was only about 4 days. That single dive was 1/6 the entire operational life of the ship. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: James cameron sure does push the fact over and over that he knew before everyone else that it imploded, why is that of any concern other than for hsi own EGO, "im smarter than everyone else and I knew before you did!!" type attitude is cringe. Here's the video, first 10 seconds
He’s made 33 dives to the wreck. One of those included being pinned against her by current for 16 hours. The Titanic’s voyage was only about 4 days. That single dive was 1/6 the entire operational life of the ship. yes I already understand his past experience, but whatim saying is that he has spent a majority of his time "bragging" about how he already knew what happened before anyone else, its just pointless to do. spend time talking about the incident and not about polishing your own ego. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 5:44:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU BUILD THE SUB OUT OF CARBON FIBER? Carbon Fiber is for make strong... LIGHTWEIGHT materials. Like race cars. And PLANES. WHO CARES HOW HEAVY A SUBMARINE IS. Its not like they're going to race the fuckers on the bottom around the shipwreck. @Notcalifornialegal Spain is not happy with your mockery Kharn |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 5:56:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure they do. The question is, what is the AI looking for? I don't have any experience with SOSUS or it's successor, but I do have some experience with other technologies that present a similar problem. You have sensors hoovering up a ton of data from the environment, which includes many different signature which could be of interest to somebody under the right circumstances. You set up the automation to flag signatures that match events relevant to the primary mission of the system and review the data record as needed if questions about something else come up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In the case of Scorpion SOSUS detected the event, but it was not noticed until the sub went missing and they reviewed the recorded data. That’s probably what happened here. The primary purpose of the system is not to detect imploding pressure vessels, but they can go through the data and find it if they have reason to look for one. Maybe these days the Navy has an AI reviewing the raw data and when it spots something weird it gives a heads up. I'm sure they do. The question is, what is the AI looking for? I don't have any experience with SOSUS or it's successor, but I do have some experience with other technologies that present a similar problem. You have sensors hoovering up a ton of data from the environment, which includes many different signature which could be of interest to somebody under the right circumstances. You set up the automation to flag signatures that match events relevant to the primary mission of the system and review the data record as needed if questions about something else come up. It filters out whales humping and seismic anomalies. Kharn |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 6:16:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Video of glueing the titanium ring to the CF:hull with epoxy:
I fukken said it was JB Weld !!! |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 6:19:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least it was fast. Yep. Sounds like it was instantaneous. My mind has a hard time understanding exactly how fast that implosion happened, but apparently it was so fast the people inside went from "hey Joe, you've been in shitter long enough, it's my turn" to vaporized paste in 1/100th of a second. I wonder if they "heard" something in that 1/100th of second, or if it was just too fast. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 6:39:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Sounds like it was instantaneous. My mind has a hard time understanding exactly how fast that implosion happened, but apparently it was so fast the people inside went from "hey Joe, you've been in shitter long enough, it's my turn" to vaporized paste in 1/100th of a second. I wonder if they "heard" something in that 1/100th of second, or if it was just too fast. If you read earlier in the thread about the USS Scorpion, which had a lot more engineering and cash into it and less depth; but did maintain comms until crush depth, the time difference between first sound notice of buckle and all 99 crew being dead is less than 2 seconds. And the Scorpion wasn't anywhere near these depths. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 6:53:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLYy09tdrpEJames Cameron on "fundamental flaw" in design of Titan submersible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XIyin68vEEAdd James Cameron to the list of people who don’t know the difference between the words ‘irony’ and ‘coincidence’. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:00:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Sounds like it was instantaneous. My mind has a hard time understanding exactly how fast that implosion happened, but apparently it was so fast the people inside went from "hey Joe, you've been in shitter long enough, it's my turn" to vaporized paste in 1/100th of a second. I wonder if they "heard" something in that 1/100th of second, or if it was just too fast. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At least it was fast. Yep. Sounds like it was instantaneous. My mind has a hard time understanding exactly how fast that implosion happened, but apparently it was so fast the people inside went from "hey Joe, you've been in shitter long enough, it's my turn" to vaporized paste in 1/100th of a second. I wonder if they "heard" something in that 1/100th of second, or if it was just too fast. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:06:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the math I've seen, it happened about 10 times faster than that. In a millisecond or even less. Takes 25 milliseconds for the brain to process something. So while there may have been earlier signs of a problem, they never even knew the implosion happened. Mind, imploded. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:07:21 AM EDT
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Did you hear something crackle? Chances you got that whole sentence out or someone answered you are very low.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:07:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mind, imploded. Light's out. RFN ! |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:14:31 AM EDT
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Man Boeing is probably reviewing every little detail about whatever dealings they had with Oceangate.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:21:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man Boeing is probably reviewing every little detail about whatever dealings they had with Oceangate. Stockton was on the phone trying to get some 787 cutoffs for his Challenger Deep tourism project |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:24:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man Boeing is probably reviewing every little detail about whatever dealings they had with Oceangate. I bet that one little reference is employing an entire law school class for the next two years, minimum. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:24:11 AM EDT
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Not only did the CEO kill himself and four other people, he likely setback any cutting edge innovation in this type of equipment for a very long time. The very thing he was pushing against. Ultimate failure.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:24:57 AM EDT
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Have they released any actual video or still pics of the titan debris?
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:25:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have to look up the trade name, but internally we just call it 902. Which probably means nothing to almost everyone outside the company. But our salesperson would. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:28:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not only did the CEO kill himself and four other people, he likely setback any cutting edge innovation in this type of equipment for a very long time. The very thing he was pushing against. Ultimate failure. All shit-talking aside, the CEO was willing to put his very life behind what he believed, and did. There are a lot of people walking around alive just because they never believe in something that fervently. So, credit where credit is due. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:35:20 AM EDT
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In case you overlooked this post from page 91...post 20 and a possible collision reported on page 91...post 31
SNIP: in May of 2021, we hired a Navy Submarine Engineer/Evaluator to come out and give a report on the sub. Here are the excerpts SNIP: "The submarine should not be operated if it has been involved in any sort of collision, where another object comes in violent contact with the pressure hull (e.g. another ship, a forklift, a loose toolbox that flies across the deck in heavy seas, etc.). Such a collision has the potential to weaken the structure of the hull and may result in a catastrophic event. By all accounts there is no non-destructive test that can positively ascertain that the craft is safe following such a collision due to the density and thickness of the hull." |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:35:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All shit-talking aside, the CEO was willing to put his very life behind what he believed, and did. There are a lot of people walking around alive just because they never believe in something that fervently. So, credit where credit is due. I agree with you 100%, just not in this particular case. Evidence? Well, it's been presented 24/7. I guess you could thank him for confirming that you can't cut corners. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:37:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have they released any actual video or still pics of the titan debris? Realwar is on it 
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:39:22 AM EDT
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So the thinking is that the atmosphere inside the sub superheated for a few milliseconds during the event?
Would this have been due to compression of the cabin air? Or energy release? Or both? I wonder what *exactly* happened to the carcasses. Hopefully, there will be some highly detailed computer simulations done soon. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:39:40 AM EDT
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This incident will bring out even more idiots who will try to do something similar. That’s probably why James Cameron is so upset, these amateur “visionaries” will end up drawing in more regulation and nosey Karen politicians who will try to ruin their billionaire hobby.
In 20 years time, the Titanic wreck will be littered with popped subs. The underwater Everest. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:40:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In 20 years time, the Titanic wreck will be littered with popped subs. The underwater Everest. I literally LOL'd. "popped subs" |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:42:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All shit-talking aside, the CEO was willing to put his very life behind what he believed, and did. There are a lot of people walking around alive just because they never believe in something that fervently. So, credit where credit is due. The other way to look at it is that he suffered from enormous hubris and a lack of technical knowledge regarding the risk he was taking with the CF hull and under rated window. There are also indications that he did know the risk and ignored them. That's not hubris its reckless negligence. If that's the case, Rush has no qualities to be admired, he got 4 people killed with arrogance, stupidity and greed. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:47:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's one way to spin it. If he went by himself I'd be more inclined to agree. The other way to look at it is that he suffered from enormous hubris and a lack of technical knowledge regarding the risk he was taking with the CF hull and under rated window. There are also indications that he did know the risk and ignored them. That's not hubris its reckless negligence. If that's the case, Rush has no qualities to be admired, he got 4 people killed with arrogance, stupidity and greed. SS Dunning Kruger  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:48:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's one way to spin it. If he went by himself I'd be more inclined to agree. The other way to look at it is that he suffered from enormous hubris and a lack of technical knowledge regarding the risk he was taking with the CF hull and under rated window. There are also indications that he did know the risk and ignored them. That's not hubris its reckless negligence. If that's the case, Rush has no qualities to be admired, he got 4 people killed with arrogance, stupidity and greed. Ah, people get other people killed doing that all the time. It's not even newsworthy. Dying alongside them, despite flaws, that's newsworthy. "All in the valley of death, rode the six hundred" |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:53:46 AM EDT
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6000 LB/IN^2 = 864,000 LB/FT^2 The window looks like it's close to a FT^2. Total pressure on that thing had to be millions of lbs.......
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:55:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All shit-talking aside, the CEO was willing to put his very life behind what he believed, and did….So, credit where credit is due. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not only did the CEO kill himself and four other people, he likely setback any cutting edge innovation in this type of equipment for a very long time. The very thing he was pushing against. Ultimate failure. All shit-talking aside, the CEO was willing to put his very life behind what he believed, and did….So, credit where credit is due. Kind of like the people who believed they had plenty of time to beat the train or were sober enough to drive home? |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:56:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All shit-talking aside, the CEO was willing to put his very life behind what he believed, and did. There are a lot of people walking around alive just because they never believe in something that fervently. So, credit where credit is due. Translation Hubris |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:58:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All shit-talking aside, the CEO was willing to put his very life behind what he believed, and did. There are a lot of people walking around alive just because they never believe in something that fervently. So, credit where credit is due. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not only did the CEO kill himself and four other people, he likely setback any cutting edge innovation in this type of equipment for a very long time. The very thing he was pushing against. Ultimate failure. All shit-talking aside, the CEO was willing to put his very life behind what he believed, and did. There are a lot of people walking around alive just because they never believe in something that fervently. So, credit where credit is due. Lol no not when you kill 4 people. The only credit is you’re a dumbass |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:01:34 AM EDT
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Her great-great-grandparents died on the Titanic. Her husband died visiting the wreckage.
Archival records show that Wendy Rush, the wife of OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush, is the great-great-granddaughter of Isidor and Ida Straus, The New York Times reported |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:14:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All shit-talking aside, the CEO was willing to put his very life behind what he believed, and did. There are a lot of people walking around alive just because they never believe in something that fervently. So, credit where credit is due. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not only did the CEO kill himself and four other people, he likely setback any cutting edge innovation in this type of equipment for a very long time. The very thing he was pushing against. Ultimate failure. All shit-talking aside, the CEO was willing to put his very life behind what he believed, and did. There are a lot of people walking around alive just because they never believe in something that fervently. So, credit where credit is due. No to me it's a lesson in hubris. And the fact that you can not push a physics barrier by willpower alone, the old guy with a slide ruler is not out of the ring quite yet. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:20:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The other way to look at it is that he suffered from enormous hubris and a lack of technical knowledge regarding the risk he was taking with the CF hull and under rated window. There are also indications that he did know the risk and ignored them. That's not hubris its reckless negligence. Serious question: if Elon sends a rocket with people to mars and everybody dies is that reckless negligence? There will be a large fraction of the world telling him it’s dangerous and he shouldn’t do it. Or do you feel like it would be OK because there’d be hundreds of engineers involved and “everybody knows space is risky”? Rush had an engineering degree from Princeton in the 80s and had worked as an engineer, he wasn’t a wanna-be engineer. The real time acoustic monitoring thing is real technology not snake oil science, it simply is not fully matured technology. Moving forwarding with risk is how the world works everyday - You risk your life today when you drive to work, walk down stairs, and eat processed food. You accept the risk based on your risk/reward tolerance. I said around page 30 this guy’s only fault is that the waivers should’ve had more explicit language - they said “you might die” and I think they should’ve said something like “this submarine is experimental in nature and is neither designed nor certified to commonly accepted standards”. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:22:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @mlg123 This dieseling- is this the same effect where I’ve seen blacksmiths start a fire by hammering away at a piece of wood? Or is that more of an extreme friction? No, this is what make a diesel engine go vroom vroom. Or in the case of a Detroit 6-71, clank clank. Run the pressure up high enough and fast enough and you do two things. 1) you create lots of heat, and 2) you enrich the atmosphere. The resulting conditions are sufficient to cause the diesel fuel to spontaneously detonate. This is what happened to our "explorers", at the top of the stroke in their little 1 stroke engine, their clothes and dermis/fat layer spontaneously detonated. In the case of your blacksmith, he's rubbing the wood fibers together real hard. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:26:05 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not only did the CEO kill himself and four other people, he likely setback any cutting edge innovation in this type of equipment for a very long time. The very thing he was pushing against. Ultimate failure. I don't think it will stifle any innovation because from the looks of it there wasn't any. He succeeded in getting to the wreck a few times on a shoestring budget but he didn't really develop or discover anything new. Others already did the work of locating and mapping it and the technology already existed to go there relatively safely. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:32:02 AM EDT
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All Monday morning QBing aside, when I saw the video of them gluing the titanium ring onto the carbon hull, I wondered what would happen when the cylindrical hull deforms….over and over and over again. I’m far from an engineer, but that seemed like a dumb idea.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:32:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question: if Elon sends a rocket with people to mars and everybody dies is that reckless negligence? There will be a large fraction of the world telling him it’s dangerous and he shouldn’t do it. Or do you feel like it would be OK because there’d be hundreds of engineers involved and “everybody knows space is risky”? Rush had an engineering degree from Princeton in the 80s and had worked as an engineer, he wasn’t a wanna-be engineer. The real time acoustic monitoring thing is real technology not snake oil science, it simply is not fully matured technology. Moving forwarding with risk is how the world works everyday - You risk your life today when you drive to work, walk down stairs, and eat processed food. You accept the risk based on your risk/reward tolerance. I said around page 30 this guy’s only fault is that the waivers should’ve had more explicit language - they said “you might die” and I think they should’ve said something like “this submarine is experimental in nature and is neither designed nor certified to commonly accepted standards”. When you're the first submersible to have fatalities since the 1960s. You might have pushed the boundaries a bit. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:32:44 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All shit-talking aside, the CEO was willing to put his very life behind what he believed, and did. There are a lot of people walking around alive just because they never believe in something that fervently. So, credit where credit is due. I cannot recall any post in ARFCOM history that was as wrong as this quoted post, congratulations, you have made ARFCOM history! |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:38:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of like the people who believed they had plenty of time to beat the train or were sober enough to drive home? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not only did the CEO kill himself and four other people, he likely setback any cutting edge innovation in this type of equipment for a very long time. The very thing he was pushing against. Ultimate failure. All shit-talking aside, the CEO was willing to put his very life behind what he believed, and did .So, credit where credit is due. Kind of like the people who believed they had plenty of time to beat the train or were sober enough to drive home?  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:39:29 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you're the first submersible to have fatalities since the 1960s. You might have pushed the boundaries a bit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Serious question: if Elon sends a rocket with people to mars and everybody dies is that reckless negligence? There will be a large fraction of the world telling him it’s dangerous and he shouldn’t do it. Or do you feel like it would be OK because there’d be hundreds of engineers involved and “everybody knows space is risky”? Rush had an engineering degree from Princeton in the 80s and had worked as an engineer, he wasn’t a wanna-be engineer. The real time acoustic monitoring thing is real technology not snake oil science, it simply is not fully matured technology. Moving forwarding with risk is how the world works everyday - You risk your life today when you drive to work, walk down stairs, and eat processed food. You accept the risk based on your risk/reward tolerance. I said around page 30 this guy’s only fault is that the waivers should’ve had more explicit language - they said “you might die” and I think they should’ve said something like “this submarine is experimental in nature and is neither designed nor certified to commonly accepted standards”. When you're the first submersible to have fatalities since the 1960s. You might have pushed the boundaries a bit. This is the equivalent of the DIY silicone butt injections that kill and maim people all the time |
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