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Posted: 7/25/2023 3:51:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd bet there'll be multiple versions with different dot sizes, just like RMRs and SROs. Shotgun |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 3:51:45 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Amazing how quickly the hive mind has discarded the RMR. Just holosun poors. With that being said, I do not want this... |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 3:53:49 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it uses screws into holes in the RMR foot print. But the heads of the screws will slide into a cavity from the sides of the optic and then stay captured there. You cant access the face of the screw head, so the screws have holes/dimples around the circumference of the head that you wrench on to tighten with a special tool. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310612/FB_IMG_1690243485008_jpg-2896894.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's gotta be some sort of quick/side release to a proprietary plate given that it mounts in the RMR footprint. Those screw mounting locations would pierce right through the "closed" part of the MRDS. But the heads of the screws will slide into a cavity from the sides of the optic and then stay captured there. You cant access the face of the screw head, so the screws have holes/dimples around the circumference of the head that you wrench on to tighten with a special tool. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310612/FB_IMG_1690243485008_jpg-2896894.JPG That's a rather interesting approach. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 3:54:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: same mounting as the RMR? Quoted: Did a German company buy Trijicon? That sounds like BMW/Porsche levels of over engineering. Sounds like they should have scrapped the RMR footprint (it wasn't even designed for pistols). There would have been much GD gnashing of teeth but better rip the scab off now vs. kicking the can down the road on a less-than-optimal mounting footprint. Holosun seems to be the only one that figured they'd just shorten the "tube" length so the RMR hole positions are exposed to the top, and it seems to have worked fine for them. I also think they were smart going to the 1632 battery, which is smaller and allow enough space to side-load a bottom position battery and still fit the RMR size and screw spacing, while still giving plenty of battery life. I think with how MRDS tech is developing, clinging to the 2032 size battery is going to be a albatross. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 3:54:50 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand the reasoning behind the concept but they ALL look like ass. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nice mailbox they made there  I understand the reasoning behind the concept but they ALL look like ass. Closed emitters are dumb. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 3:56:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2023 3:56:37 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 3.25 MOA dot...lol Accepted by most as the best dot size. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 3:56:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I go weekly, but thanks anyway. Then removing the RMR isn’t an issue. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 3:57:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Closed emitters are dumb. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nice mailbox they made there I understand the reasoning behind the concept but they ALL look like ass. Closed emitters are dumb. They are until they're not. I'll take 3 |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 3:58:42 PM EDT
[#10]
1. It’s fucking hideous.
2. I worry it’ll be like $700. 3. It’s nice to see them finally offering updates the market has been asking for. 4. Trijicon is a cool company and I hope they continue making updates like this. Now do the ACOG with FO/LED combo tech as standard. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 3:59:23 PM EDT
[#11]
No selectable recticle?
Needs more circle-dot. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 3:59:28 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. I agree that it's kind of a bit of a ham-fisted way to maintain RMR-cut compatibility, but it also helps maintain the RMR cut as an industry standard and avoid the need for adaptor plates or other such nonsense if you already have an RMR cut gun. Holosun seems to be the only one that figured they'd just shorten the "tube" length so the RMR hole positions are exposed to the top, and it seems to have worked fine for them. Come to think of it, given topside battery replacement, this will be a one and done installation. I think the market can deal with that. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:00:11 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did a German company buy Trijicon? That sounds like BMW/Porsche levels of over engineering. They should have scrapped the RMR footprint (it wasn't even designed for pistols). There would have been much GD gnashing of teeth but better rip the scab off now vs. kicking the can down the road on a less-than-optimal mounting footprint. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, it uses screws into holes in the RMR foot print. But the heads of the screws will slide into a cavity from the sides of the optic and then stay captured there. You cant access the face of the screw head, so the screws have holes/dimples around the circumference of the head that you wrench on to tighten with a special tool. Did a German company buy Trijicon? That sounds like BMW/Porsche levels of over engineering. They should have scrapped the RMR footprint (it wasn't even designed for pistols). There would have been much GD gnashing of teeth but better rip the scab off now vs. kicking the can down the road on a less-than-optimal mounting footprint. That's a stretch. The RMR footprint has evolved into something of an industry standard. There's a growing number of pistols that come from the factory with either RMR specific cuts or RMR compatible cuts. There's a lot of value in maintaining compatibility with that. Alternatively, Trijicon has probably noticed that their RMRcc cut is an orphaned bastard on the market, and it's not supported by much of anyone, so that hurts sales in a big way. They probably don't want to ride that ride again. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:00:40 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Come to think of it, given topside battery replacement, this will be a one and done installation. I think the market can deal with that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes. I agree that it's kind of a bit of a ham-fisted way to maintain RMR-cut compatibility, but it also helps maintain the RMR cut as an industry standard and avoid the need for adaptor plates or other such nonsense if you already have an RMR cut gun. Holosun seems to be the only one that figured they'd just shorten the "tube" length so the RMR hole positions are exposed to the top, and it seems to have worked fine for them. Come to think of it, given topside battery replacement, this will be a one and done installation. I think the market can deal with that. Yeah the install looks like a little of a pain in the ass, but it’s not like it’ll be done every Thursday so no big deal. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:01:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a stretch. The RMR has evolved into something of an industry standard. There's a growing number of pistols that come from the factory with either RMR specific cuts or RMR compatible cuts. There's a lot of value in maintaining compatibility with that. Alternatively, Trijicon has probably noticed that their RMRcc cut is an orphaned bastard on the market, and it's not supported by much of anyone, so that hurts sales in a big way. They probably don't want to ride that ride again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, it uses screws into holes in the RMR foot print. But the heads of the screws will slide into a cavity from the sides of the optic and then stay captured there. You cant access the face of the screw head, so the screws have holes/dimples around the circumference of the head that you wrench on to tighten with a special tool. Did a German company buy Trijicon? That sounds like BMW/Porsche levels of over engineering. They should have scrapped the RMR footprint (it wasn't even designed for pistols). There would have been much GD gnashing of teeth but better rip the scab off now vs. kicking the can down the road on a less-than-optimal mounting footprint. That's a stretch. The RMR has evolved into something of an industry standard. There's a growing number of pistols that come from the factory with either RMR specific cuts or RMR compatible cuts. There's a lot of value in maintaining compatibility with that. Alternatively, Trijicon has probably noticed that their RMRcc cut is an orphaned bastard on the market, and it's not supported by much of anyone, so that hurts sales in a big way. They probably don't want to ride that ride again. They need to unfuck their RMRcc it has to hurt not having a viable product in that niche. I like supporting Trijicon but not if that means buying an RMRcc. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:02:05 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Come to think of it, given topside battery replacement, this will be a one and done installation. I think the market can deal with that. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:02:24 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Accepted by most as the best dot size. Nah, it's a tactical timmy size for people that like to buy stuff for their guns but don't actually shoot. 6-8 moa is for people that actually shoot |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:02:39 PM EDT
[#18]
This looks really good, but they would have been better off using the ACRO mount footprint as it eliminates the need for posts and screw holes. That said the positive to fitting the RMR foot print is there are so many handguns out there either milled for an RMR or have an RMR plate installed. Using a CR2023 battery is smart
Two things keep me from ever using a Holosun. One is they are 100% Chinese manufactured in a CCP owned facility. The other is the CR1632 battery as everything I own takes CR2032 batteries. Circle dot in a small window pistol optic is used to draw in those with shined object syndrome. Does nothing that a bright red dot doesn’t. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:04:06 PM EDT
[#19]
Glad to see they finally caught up with Holosun!
That mounting looks full retard. Should have gone Acro mount which is better anyways. I'll stick with my MPS. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:05:22 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah, it's a tactical timmy size for people that like to buy stuff for their guns but don't actually shoot. 6-8 moa is for people that actually shoot Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Accepted by most as the best dot size. Nah, it's a tactical timmy size for people that like to buy stuff for their guns but don't actually shoot. 6-8 moa is for people that actually shoot That's dumb |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:05:36 PM EDT
[#21]
After thinking about it some more, I'd really like to see more info on how the mounting screws work.
Are you supposed to try to start the screw threads in those tiny side slots, or do you install the screws into the slide first and then slide the optic over the screws, like a keymod system? What about slides with raised bosses, like this one?  Attached FileI'm trying to imagine starting the screw threads in those tiny little slots, and am having trouble picturing it. Are there any videos out there yet showing the installation procedure? |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:05:42 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No selectable recticle? Needs more circle-dot. Gross |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:06:33 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah, it's a tactical timmy size for people that like to buy stuff for their guns but don't actually shoot. 6-8 moa is for people that actually shoot Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Accepted by most as the best dot size. Nah, it's a tactical timmy size for people that like to buy stuff for their guns but don't actually shoot. 6-8 moa is for people that actually shoot Strong preference for the 6ish. Everyone wants the tiny ass one like they’re shooting gnats @ 100 with their carry gun or something. It’s literally 6 inches @ 100 yards, it’s fine for what it is lol |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:07:19 PM EDT
[#24]
It checks all the boxes for what I was hoping for! As for looks, all the enclosed mrds look like a box to me. I hope to buy one.
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:13:17 PM EDT
[#25]
GD for the past half a dozen years: "Trijicon is lame for not offering a closed-emitter RDS or a RDS with top-load battery. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they had one!"
GD after Trijicon creates a closed-emitter RDS: "A closed emitter? Top load battery? Gross! I'm not buying one of those!" 
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:13:17 PM EDT
[#26]
I'm very interested in this optic. One thing thing that concerns me a little is the height of the base. This dimension looks huge even compared to the RMR. I assume that is because of the way it mounts. I'm not excited about the potential of buying a new optic and having to replace already upgraded iron sights. My current Ameriglo GL-252 sights have a .394" rear sight height. I'm hoping that works with this optic.
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:15:45 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm very interested in this optic. One thing thing that concerns me a little is the height of the base. This dimension looks huge even compared to the RMR. I assume that is because of the way it mounts. I'm not excited about the potential of buying a new optic and having to replace already upgraded iron sights. My current Ameriglo GL-252 sights have a .394" rear sight height. I'm hoping that works with this optic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/549629/1000004250_jpg-2897617.JPG @LamePostCount  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:15:58 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm very interested in this optic. One thing thing that concerns me a little is the height of the base. This dimension looks huge even compared to the RMR. I assume that is because of the way it mounts. I'm not excited about the potential of buying a new optic and having to replace already upgraded iron sights. My current Ameriglo GL-252 sights have a .394" rear sight height. I'm hoping that works with this optic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/549629/1000004250_jpg-2897617.JPG It said the deck height is the same as the RMR, so that existing cowitnessed iron sights will still work. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:17:04 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm very interested in this optic. One thing thing that concerns me a little is the height of the base. This dimension looks huge even compared to the RMR. I assume that is because of the way it mounts. I'm not excited about the potential of buying a new optic and having to replace already upgraded iron sights. My current Ameriglo GL-252 sights have a .394" rear sight height. I'm hoping that works with this optic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/549629/1000004250_jpg-2897617.JPG Same base height as an RMR according to OP. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:18:35 PM EDT
[#30]
If I'm putting a brick on top of my pistol it'll be an aimpoint.
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:19:21 PM EDT
[#31]
Oh fuck yeah
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:19:22 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it uses screws into holes in the RMR foot print. But the heads of the screws will slide into a cavity from the sides of the optic and then stay captured there. You cant access the face of the screw head, so the screws have holes/dimples around the circumference of the head that you wrench on to tighten with a special tool. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310612/FB_IMG_1690243485008_jpg-2896894.JPG That looks like a truly terrible solution. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:20:04 PM EDT
[#33]
That thing looks like you should be able to watch Netflix on it when you aren’t shooting.
Which is nice, I want one. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:20:54 PM EDT
[#34]
NDA supposedly lifts August 1st.
The RMR HD is looking mighty nice. 
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:20:57 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes the Acro look downright svelte!  I was thinking the same thing. Window also looks fairly small, relative to the size of that thing. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:22:21 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD for the past half a dozen years: "Trijicon is lame for not offering a closed-emitter RDS or a RDS with top-load battery. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they had one!" GD after Trijicon creates a closed-emitter RDS: "A closed emitter? Top load battery? Gross! I'm not buying one of those!" GD is fickle! M249 being discontinued thread is also another example. GD: I wish gun companies would offer military products to civis. FN: Offers M249 GD: Too expensive, semi auto only, shit trigger, horrible accuracy. "I'll just get an AR. "
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:22:48 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was thinking the same thing. Window also looks fairly small, relative to the size of that thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Makes the Acro look downright svelte! I was thinking the same thing. Window also looks fairly small, relative to the size of that thing. It looks like that to me too. It looks big as fuck for the window to look pretty similar to an RMR. I hate to be one of those people that just bitches, it just looks huge for such a small window. I know you can’t have everything, but it would be cooler if it had a better window:mass ratio. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:24:23 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Accepted by most as the best dot size. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:26:54 PM EDT
[#39]
Form follows function. That thing looks hideous. I wouldn’t expect great things from it.
I love my RMR’s and ACOG though. Trijicon night sights are tops as well. Hopefully we see something better. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:27:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:30:00 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Found another image. Note the capstan screw. Will add to the OP. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/FB_IMG_1690243485008_jpg-2896894_jpeg-2897634.JPG How do you start the screw threads, though? |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:33:40 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD is fickle! M249 being discontinued thread is also another example. GD: I wish gun companies would offer military products to civis. FN: Offers M249 GD: Too expensive, semi auto only, shit trigger, horrible accuracy. "I'll just get an AR. " Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GD for the past half a dozen years: "Trijicon is lame for not offering a closed-emitter RDS or a RDS with top-load battery. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they had one!" GD after Trijicon creates a closed-emitter RDS: "A closed emitter? Top load battery? Gross! I'm not buying one of those!" GD is fickle! M249 being discontinued thread is also another example. GD: I wish gun companies would offer military products to civis. FN: Offers M249 GD: Too expensive, semi auto only, shit trigger, horrible accuracy. "I'll just get an AR. " I just wish I could afford a SAW and a m1014 The 2 long guns that kept me alive. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:37:31 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD is fickle! M249 being discontinued thread is also another example. GD: I wish gun companies would offer military products to civis. FN: Offers M249 GD: Too expensive, semi auto only, shit trigger, horrible accuracy. "I'll just get an AR. " Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GD for the past half a dozen years: "Trijicon is lame for not offering a closed-emitter RDS or a RDS with top-load battery. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they had one!" GD after Trijicon creates a closed-emitter RDS: "A closed emitter? Top load battery? Gross! I'm not buying one of those!" GD is fickle! M249 being discontinued thread is also another example. GD: I wish gun companies would offer military products to civis. FN: Offers M249 GD: Too expensive, semi auto only, shit trigger, horrible accuracy. "I'll just get an AR. " You're not wrong. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:38:35 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you start the screw threads, though? I'm guessing that it will use a miniature version of this:  Attached File@D_Man might know the specifics. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:41:02 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you start the screw threads, though? |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:41:31 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm guessing that it will use a miniature version of this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screen_Shot_2023-07-25_at_4_37_36_PM_png-2897658.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How do you start the screw threads, though? I'm guessing that it will use a miniature version of this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screen_Shot_2023-07-25_at_4_37_36_PM_png-2897658.JPG For tightening them, sure. I'm more curious about how easy it will be to even start the threads, given you only have access to one side of the screw head. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:47:22 PM EDT
[#47]
Awesome. Glad to see them coming out with what everyone has been doing. I may start switching my pistols over to Trijicon.
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:47:48 PM EDT
[#48]
Hope it fits with my CROM mount for the 1301
But I would wait for the circle dot reticle anyway |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:50:49 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For tightening them, sure. I'm more curious about how easy it will be to even start the threads, given you only have access to one side of the screw head. Speculation: Both sides of the optic mirror each other There is something akin to a T-rail that runs the width of the optic Start the screws by hand on the slide Slide the optic into position Alternate tightening the screws using tool As optic pulls onto slide of pistol, its front post cutouts self align with front mounting posts on slide |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 4:54:23 PM EDT
[#50]
It's a mailbox. 
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