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Link Posted: 3/1/2023 10:51:59 AM EDT
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There is going to be a lot of butthurt with the Rep race this round but let's be honest.  Trump needs to step the fuck out of the way because we need someone with the ability to run 2 terms.  Letting Trump have this one just pushes the issue 4 years down the road where we'll have the same bullshit again.
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 10:54:22 AM EDT
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And Trump isn't @bgenlvtex? Shit, Trump hung out with the Clintons and donated to them and a shit ton of other Democrats.
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…and Trump was a registered Democratic back then, doing business in a city that was controlled by the Democrat Party political machine.
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 10:58:05 AM EDT
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It is a private event that you must pay for to enter. Do you honestly think they were there to get DeSantis' new book signed by DeSantis? Or that they were to hoot and holler "TRUMP IS OUR GOD!" & "Ron Desanctimonious, you're part of the swamp!"?
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Did the Trump Supporters offer to pay or were they trying to crash the gate?
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 10:58:54 AM EDT
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Good!
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Obviously to test Desantis mettle.

A test he regrettably failed.

If you can't take a little heat on the campaign trail, you don't have even a remote chance of surviving the leftist onslaught that is to come.

Comes off weak.
It is a private event that you must pay for to enter. Do you honestly think they were there to get DeSantis' new book signed by DeSantis? Or that they were to hoot and holler "TRUMP IS OUR GOD!" & "Ron Desanctimonious, you're part of the swamp!"?
What would ever give you the idea that Trump supporters would possibly do something like that?

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Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:00:14 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:01:25 AM EDT
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Just let the guy have his  book signing. He doesn't need a bunch of Trump supporters screwing things up
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:01:36 AM EDT
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So then I think it's fair game to criticize him on national issues.

It's also my understanding that it's against Florida law for a sitting politician to run for federal office, if correct that would be another reason he hasn't declared.  Is my understanding correct?
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He's running but he hasn't declared because the moment he does. It means the FEC dictates campaign funding on him. Right now, without declaring, he can bank money.


So then I think it's fair game to criticize him on national issues.

It's also my understanding that it's against Florida law for a sitting politician to run for federal office, if correct that would be another reason he hasn't declared.  Is my understanding correct?



That’s a first I’ve heard of that
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:02:09 AM EDT
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Did those people have paid tickets?  Did the the EventBrite page list any restrictions on clothing or signs?  If they turned away people who paid for tickets and didn't have anything posted ahead of time that isn't good, especially since DeSantis hasn't declared anything publicly for the Presidential race.  If they were just non-ticketed random people that showed up passing out those fliers and chanting "TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP" then moving them away is fine as they were there to disrupt.  
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Excellent point.
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:03:04 AM EDT
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You forget that I'm going after DeSantis right now on him being weak on 2A issues, right? Since you're not in FL and haven't been reading FL newspapers. 'I've openly called out DeSantis on not using the bully pulpit on getting open carry added to HB 543 & SB 150.

Same as DeSantis stating gun free zones are bad and banning guns at his events and trying to place the blame on other people.
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Clearly you are looking for a "Trump bad DeSantis good" feedback loop, so I'll just leave you to stew in your own juices.

FTR I'd vote for either one given the alternative(s)
You forget that I'm going after DeSantis right now on him being weak on 2A issues, right? Since you're not in FL and haven't been reading FL newspapers. 'I've openly called out DeSantis on not using the bully pulpit on getting open carry added to HB 543 & SB 150.
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"Courage to be Free"

"YOU CANT WEAR THAT HERE!"

Some industrial grade irony there.

Same as DeSantis stating gun free zones are bad and banning guns at his events and trying to place the blame on other people.


Well that's good, i appreciate objectivity.




Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:03:18 AM EDT
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You should answer the question in stead of deflecting and redirecting.
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:04:08 AM EDT
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Freedom of speech doesn't trump people's freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom from harassment.
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"Courage to be Free"

"YOU CANT WEAR THAT HERE!"

Some industrial grade irony there.

Freedom of speech doesn't trump people's freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom from harassment.


wearing someone else swag doesn't constitute either one.
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:05:16 AM EDT
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Well, Trump has threatened to run as an independent and split the vote like Theodore Roosevelt did with the Bull Moose Party. Thus, giving us Woodrow Wilson.
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Please provide evidence of your claim. Honestly, I do not recall ever hearing that allegation before.
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:05:29 AM EDT
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Especially at a private event requiring paid entry. The book signing is like Arfcom. It has a CoC. Trump Supporters broke the CoC and were banned by Admin.
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"Courage to be Free"

"YOU CANT WEAR THAT HERE!"

Some industrial grade irony there.

Freedom of speech doesn't trump people's freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom from harassment.
Especially at a private event requiring paid entry. The book signing is like Arfcom. It has a CoC. Trump Supporters broke the CoC and were banned by Admin.


A football game is a "private event requiring paid entry"

Home team jerseys only.
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:07:01 AM EDT
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Is that a picture from the 2016 election cycle where Ted Cruz was running for President?  It sure doesn’t look like the 2023 Ted Cruz.
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:08:27 AM EDT
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I support both of them, and I think it would be a dick move to go to either one's event wearing the other's logos.
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Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:08:58 AM EDT
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Is that a picture from the 2016 election cycle where Ted Cruz was running for President?  It sure doesn’t look like the 2023 Ted Cruz.
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Is that a picture from the 2016 election cycle where Ted Cruz was running for President?  It sure doesn’t look like the 2023 Ted Cruz.



Yes same nuts, different year
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:10:21 AM EDT
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They weren’t there for the book signing. You needn’t look any farther than the Twitter post in the OP as to why they were there. They just so happened to be there for a pro Trump rally and it was purely a coincidence that it was right in front of a DeSantis book signing event.


They weren’t some randoms that showed up wearing their maga hat to get a book signed.


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Are seriously supporting the Governor of a state to suppress opposition political speech.  If the DeSantis rally was inside and the Trump rally was outside then I don’t see where DeSantis has the authority to use his political office to break up a political rally that is not obstructing his book signing that is inside of the store.
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:11:43 AM EDT
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Did DeSantis supporters show up at Trump NFT trading card events in DeSantis garb?  Nope.  Is it ok to trade food stamps for 75¢ on the dollar to purchase those amazing trading cards?  I suppose that is another thread.
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probably good for 5 piece chicken nuggets

Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:12:32 AM EDT
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They weren’t there for the book signing. You needn’t look any farther than the Twitter post in the OP as to why they were there. They just so happened to be there for a pro Trump rally and it was purely a coincidence that it was right in front of a DeSantis book signing event.


They weren’t some randoms that showed up wearing their maga hat to get a book signed.


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Did those people have paid tickets?  Did the the EventBrite page list any restrictions on clothing or signs?  If they turned away people who paid for tickets and didn't have anything posted ahead of time that isn't good, especially since DeSantis hasn't declared anything publicly for the Presidential race.  If they were just non-ticketed random people that showed up passing out those fliers and chanting "TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP" then moving them away is fine as they were there to disrupt.  

They weren’t there for the book signing. You needn’t look any farther than the Twitter post in the OP as to why they were there. They just so happened to be there for a pro Trump rally and it was purely a coincidence that it was right in front of a DeSantis book signing event.


They weren’t some randoms that showed up wearing their maga hat to get a book signed.


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So to be clear here, these "Trump supporters" in fact were not even AT the book signing, they were outside in front of the store and they were removed for wearing Trump swag.

You guys better get some callouses on that pussy before you run for POTUS, the left is going to dine on your flesh and pick their teeth with your bones.
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:12:37 AM EDT
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Let me explain it to you.  Baring entrance is different than baring political speech outside the paid admission boundaries.
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:14:41 AM EDT
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@JKH62, except the book signings aren't public events. They're private events requiring paid tickets for entry to a private event.

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Private event in public place?
Is that like buying a ticket to Disney and you get admission??
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:14:47 AM EDT
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A football game is a "private event requiring paid entry"

Home team jerseys only.
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"Courage to be Free"

"YOU CANT WEAR THAT HERE!"

Some industrial grade irony there.

Freedom of speech doesn't trump people's freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom from harassment.
Especially at a private event requiring paid entry. The book signing is like Arfcom. It has a CoC. Trump Supporters broke the CoC and were banned by Admin.


A football game is a "private event requiring paid entry"

Home team jerseys only.
You ever see a fight between fans at a college or professional sporting event?  

There is a reason why it is almost always the away team's fan being escorted out of the stadium.
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 11:17:18 AM EDT
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They weren't there for the book signing. You needn't look any farther than the Twitter post in the OP as to why they were there. They just so happened to be there for a pro Trump rally and it was purely a coincidence that it was right in front of a DeSantis book signing event.


They weren't some randoms that showed up wearing their maga hat to get a book signed.


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Did those people have paid tickets?  Did the the EventBrite page list any restrictions on clothing or signs?  If they turned away people who paid for tickets and didn't have anything posted ahead of time that isn't good, especially since DeSantis hasn't declared anything publicly for the Presidential race.  If they were just non-ticketed random people that showed up passing out those fliers and chanting "TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP" then moving them away is fine as they were there to disrupt.  

They weren't there for the book signing. You needn't look any farther than the Twitter post in the OP as to why they were there. They just so happened to be there for a pro Trump rally and it was purely a coincidence that it was right in front of a DeSantis book signing event.


They weren't some randoms that showed up wearing their maga hat to get a book signed.


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Sure the protest group wasn't there to buy a book but does that apply to 100% of the people that showed up?  I get there is political chaos going on in Florida right now but most people aren't activists and in the weeds with what is going on.  No one has been able to answer the question of "were people with tickets turned away".  That is the big question.  Did Laura Loomer ruin it for others who appreciate DeSantis as Governor but still want Trump as President?  Is Loomer presenting only half the story and people with tickets but wearing Trump gear allowed in but she is spinning it as they weren't.  It's politics, everything is a mess and each side is going to spin things to promote their agenda.  That is why asking specific questions and looking at all the details is important.  

From what I've seen at all the rallies and political events, I guarantee you there were several retired military people who love DeSantis as Governor but also want Trump as President who showed up for the purpose of supporting DeSantis and getting his book.  My specific question is were they denied entry even with a paid ticket or is Loomer creating fake news by saying "everyone was turned away"?  The answer is an indicator of the quality of character to each party.  If Loomer is exaggerating and lying, then she is fake news and should be ignored in the same manner the Qtards are.


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You ever see a fight between fans at a college or professional sporting event?  

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"Courage to be Free"

"YOU CANT WEAR THAT HERE!"

Some industrial grade irony there.

Freedom of speech doesn't trump people's freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom from harassment.
Especially at a private event requiring paid entry. The book signing is like Arfcom. It has a CoC. Trump Supporters broke the CoC and were banned by Admin.


A football game is a "private event requiring paid entry"

Home team jerseys only.
You ever see a fight between fans at a college or professional sporting event?  

There is a reason why it is almost always the away team's fan being escorted out of the stadium.


The point (which should be apparent) is that you can't hide behind payed entry in calling it a private event

And it appears these "Trump supporters" were actually not even at the "Paid private event", they were outside, which raises this entire thing to another level.

I get it, it is discourteous and rude to host an event for a rival politician right outside the door. However unless they are in fact violating a law, using the police to disperse a rival politicians supporters based purely on the fact that they support a rival politician is some serious over-reach and abuse of power and that appears to be what happened here.
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Actually, I believe it would have been handled differently.  Us sworn officers to suppress free public speech is not a good move.
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Private Mall Security Guards aren't Police.
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So you support using Law Enforcement officers to control political speech?  Were the Trump supporters a danger to public safety? Were the Trump supporters preventing the DeSantis book signing from taking place?  Were the Trump supporters breaking the law in the State of Florida?

Most of the time in theses situations they simply separate the two groups and allow the event to take place.
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@Palm, that wasn't a cop in the videos. It was a private security guard.
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We're the Trump supporters chanting pro Trump slogans?
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Decked out in Trump branded swag, holding Trump branded signs. Yeah, they were.
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Let me explain it to you.  Baring entrance is different than baring political speech outside the paid admission boundaries.
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Let me explain it to you. They weren't IN the event but they were still on private property......
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I support both of them, and I think it would be a dick move to go to either one's event wearing the other's logos.
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I also think it would be a dick move to have them removed over it. Fight the Democrats not each other.
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That's a first I've heard of that
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He's running but he hasn't declared because the moment he does. It means the FEC dictates campaign funding on him. Right now, without declaring, he can bank money.


So then I think it's fair game to criticize him on national issues.

It's also my understanding that it's against Florida law for a sitting politician to run for federal office, if correct that would be another reason he hasn't declared.  Is my understanding correct?



That's a first I've heard of that
@Honda4828

The Legislature wants to amend the law. It was originally passed and signed into law in 2018 by Rick Scott.

Resign-to-run Law; Requiring an officer who qualifies for federal public office to resign from the office he or she presently holds if the terms, or any part thereof, run concurrently; prescribing requirements for the written resignation; providing for an automatic irrevocable resignation in the event of noncompliance, etc.

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@Palm, that wasn't a cop in the videos. It was a private security guard.
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So you support using Law Enforcement officers to control political speech?  Were the Trump supporters a danger to public safety? Were the Trump supporters preventing the DeSantis book signing from taking place?  Were the Trump supporters breaking the law in the State of Florida?

Most of the time in theses situations they simply separate the two groups and allow the event to take place.
@Palm, that wasn't a cop in the videos. It was a private security guard.

In that case it wasn’t DeSantis ordering the removal; it was the property owner invoking their right of access to the property.  There is a huge difference.
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Please provide evidence of your claim. Honestly, I do not recall ever hearing that allegation before.
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Trump has hinted at running as a third-party candidate back in December 2022. He posted it on his own Truth Social account.
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I thinks it's fair:

- Trump supported barring those under 21 in a FL gun shop from buying a gun.

- Trump barred bump stocks in all gun stores.

I guess DeSantis can bar Trump supporters if he wants.

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A football game is a "private event requiring paid entry"

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"Courage to be Free"

"YOU CANT WEAR THAT HERE!"

Some industrial grade irony there.

Freedom of speech doesn't trump people's freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom from harassment.
Especially at a private event requiring paid entry. The book signing is like Arfcom. It has a CoC. Trump Supporters broke the CoC and were banned by Admin.


A football game is a "private event requiring paid entry"

Home team jerseys only.
A football game is an event between two opposing teams. A book signing is a private event for one person.
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Well looks like adversaries for now.
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I wonder who will get the Volodymyr endorsement...
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International modeling agency
Roy Cohn was your mentor

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The point (which should be apparent) is that you can't hide behind payed entry in calling it a private event

And it appears these "Trump supporters" were actually not even at the "Paid private event", they were outside, which raises this entire thing to another level.

I get it, it is discourteous and rude to host an event for a rival politician right outside the door. However unless they are in fact violating a law, using the police to disperse a rival politicians supporters based purely on the fact that they support a rival politician is some serious over-reach and abuse of power and that appears to be what happened here.
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"Courage to be Free"

"YOU CANT WEAR THAT HERE!"

Some industrial grade irony there.

Freedom of speech doesn't trump people's freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom from harassment.
Especially at a private event requiring paid entry. The book signing is like Arfcom. It has a CoC. Trump Supporters broke the CoC and were banned by Admin.


A football game is a "private event requiring paid entry"

Home team jerseys only.
You ever see a fight between fans at a college or professional sporting event?  

There is a reason why it is almost always the away team's fan being escorted out of the stadium.


The point (which should be apparent) is that you can't hide behind payed entry in calling it a private event

And it appears these "Trump supporters" were actually not even at the "Paid private event", they were outside, which raises this entire thing to another level.

I get it, it is discourteous and rude to host an event for a rival politician right outside the door. However unless they are in fact violating a law, using the police to disperse a rival politicians supporters based purely on the fact that they support a rival politician is some serious over-reach and abuse of power and that appears to be what happened here.


In the video, it is a private security guard, not the police @bgenlvtex.

It was another DeSantis event where police arrested someone. Pro-Carry Demonstrator Arrested at DeSantis Fundraiser



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Good. Fuck Trump.
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Yeah, that is a dick move. You don't show up to someone's campaign stop wearing an opposing candidate's branding.
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Why were the Trump supporters there to begin with and what did they expect?  Would it be any different if they were Biden or Epstein supporters?
Yeah, that is a dick move. You don't show up to someone's campaign stop wearing an opposing candidate's branding.


Is it really a campaign stop if the candidate hasn't announced yet?

Or is it just a book promotion?
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He's just mad you were able to post this before he could.  You cost him his shareblue check for the day.
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That's rich coming from you! I'm surprised you weren't in the group of Trump supporters demanding to be let into the event.



He's just mad you were able to post this before he could.  You cost him his shareblue check for the day.
@HeavyMetal, congrats on getting Campus Carry signed into law today. I'm surprised Baby Dog wasn't there at the Capitol next to the Governor.
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Is this the one led by insane (for real) Loomer?

She’s a complete nut job.
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Trump will never support anyone but Trump. Part of the RNC rules is that whoever wins the primary, the losers have to support the winner. Trump has yet to sign the RNC agreement.

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RNC chair Ronna McDaniel says she thinks ex-president WILL sign pledge backing Ron DeSantis if he wins GOP's 2024 nomination

Remember, Trump backed Ronna McDaniel as RNC Chair for every darn election going back to 2016. So, for Ronna McDaniel to bring it up. It is her doing a wink, wink, nudge, nudge poke on Trump to remind him not to look like the fool.
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87% agreed but there is still really only one sane choice at this time for some much needed potential long term political stability. RD.
We can't get 2 terms out of Trump and I have zero confidence he can even get elected. So that only leaves the option of supporting the best candidate with the best chance.
If Trump really wanted to make the swamp creatures see spiders he would stop bashing Ron and support him but his fucking ego won't let that happen.

Both are choices. Only one makes sense. RD
Trump will never support anyone but Trump. Part of the RNC rules is that whoever wins the primary, the losers have to support the winner. Trump has yet to sign the RNC agreement.

Trump will have to make loyalty pledge to join RNC debate stage, Ronna McDaniel says

RNC chair Ronna McDaniel says she thinks ex-president WILL sign pledge backing Ron DeSantis if he wins GOP's 2024 nomination

Remember, Trump backed Ronna McDaniel as RNC Chair for every darn election going back to 2016. So, for Ronna McDaniel to bring it up. It is her doing a wink, wink, nudge, nudge poke on Trump to remind him not to look like the fool.


The issue is when Trump loses the primary he’s going to immediately jump to an Independent just to stop DeSantis….can’t believe nuts will follow along but enough will to keep the dead body in office.

Trump would be ineligible to run in 32 states if he swaps to another party/Independent after the primary.
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Is it really a campaign stop if the candidate hasn't announced yet?

Or is it just a book promotion?
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Why were the Trump supporters there to begin with and what did they expect?  Would it be any different if they were Biden or Epstein supporters?
Yeah, that is a dick move. You don't show up to someone's campaign stop wearing an opposing candidate's branding.


Is it really a campaign stop if the candidate hasn't announced yet?

Or is it just a book promotion?
@pocketpkn, everything since November 2022 is campaigning for the White House now.
Link Posted: 3/1/2023 12:11:00 PM EDT
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Seems to be the real nut jobs are the ones left on team Orange.
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seems of trvial to me when you are the big dog in town
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If DeSantis doesn’t want MAGA at his events what does he want?

If you take out all the people that consider themselves as country patriots, what are you left with?

This feud between the two is disappointing. Ron should have tried to be Trumps VP and spent four years learning the ropes of DC and find out what he is going to make major changes to when he runs for POTUS after Trump.

He doesn’t seem to have much strategy for long term thinking. Besides what is MAGA going to do to his event? Showing that MAGA is attending his event only helps DeSantis and hurts Trump IMO.

If Ron would have gone that route he probably could have been the most successful POTUS, even more so than Trump. But we have this BS.

I get why DeSantis is doing this because Trump is being an ass, but he should have taken on the opportunity to convince MAGA he could be better. It would hurt Trumps ego.

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