A lot of gay prostitutes out there.  I assume there's a price point whereby you would pay a man to perform oral sex on you?

Some dupes get locked and some don't. Hell some mods and SS even post in what they know to be dupes, this place is weird like that.

Ok, that’s... less insane.  I’ve run into a real gung ho attitude to dosage in the hardcore drug user element, so it didn’t seem like a big stretch.

That is indeed, what you are doing.  Rather than trying to discredit my statements by rewording them for me, why don't you try actually debating the points I've made?  Here, I'll reiterate for you.

My initial point was that heroin is no different than any other strong drug, whether it's crack, lsd, pcp, meth, or anything else.   Whenever they became available, there was already a market for as much as can be cooked up, or smuggled in.   Explain to me why you thing that heroin only became the problem that it is, because of prescription drugs, when all the rest exploded in popularity, just by showing up.  Simple question - Who or what was responsible for causing the demand for crack and meth?  The only difference is that the heroin that has caused this epidemic is coming across the southern border, and that doesn't fit the narrative.

Explain to me how all of these hapless soccer moms become addicted, and they ALL start banging heroin.  It must be all of them.  Otherwise, the courts would be jammed with incompetent doctors, being sued by hapless soccer moms that didn't want to be junkies.  Simple question - if this is truly as big a problem as you say, how do you explain the lack of people suing their doctors for allowing them to become addicted?  That would be like winning the lottery.  Where are they?

Two simple points.  Now, just so you know, a debate happens when you dispute my points, and offer counter arguments.   I'll wait right here.

No, your problem is with comprehension.   I have not once denied making that statement.  What I said was this:

"The reason more people are USING heroin is that there is more heroin, not because there are more people that want to use it".

It was part of a chain of responses, and lacks the original context.

I'll try one more time.  What I have said repeatedly is that for any strong drug, there is always more demand than supply.  There are lots and lots of people, ready and willing to try something new.  When crack was "invented", people that tried it, did so because it suddenly became available and they heard it was great.  It wasn't because, coincidentally, right at that time, their prescription ran out, and they decided to become a druggie.  They already were druggies, just like the people that started using meth, or lsd, bathsalts.  The majority of people that start using heroin were predisposed to using it before it became available to them.  I would guess that most try it at the first opportunity.  That is what I meant when I said that the reason we have more heroin users isn't because more people decided that they want to try it. We have more heroin users, because there is more heroin.  Why is that so hard?

A little context goes a long way.

I think most OD's result from stronger batches of heroin than what their used to.  I think most around here are from fentanyl being added.  I'm pretty sure I've had Narcan twice, both times after surgical anesthetic.  They had to "reverse me", because I wouldn't wake up.  I assume that's what they did.  I can't imagine anyone planning to go through that.  It wasn't pleasant.

I'm OK with it for high level dealers/distributors.

Exactly my point.  When a bunch of new Dr. drug rules came out a while back, I tried asking my liberal doctor sister in Texas how she feels about being blamed for the heroin epidemic, when the real problem was the open border.   She didn't take the bait.  She said most heroin is produced in the US, now.    

Same should apply to a horrible thing like alcohol right champ?

You just thought they were regular guys.  I've known a few people that messed around with drugs for years, but came to work every day.  You would have never known it.

ETA:  I consider it a safe assumption that anyone that goes from prescribed pills to heroin, did so because they liked it, not because they were addicted.

1. The government is too corrupt to wield power over life or death of American citizens.

2. There should be no death penalty for such a crime in which it is easy to frame someone, such as planting a high quantity of illegal drugs.

3. The war on drugs has been a total failure, further shredding the constitution will not make it more effective.

I think I covered most of it.

I worry that the new pressure being put on doctors which is resulting in their hesitancy to give out narcotics when needed will now actually drive people toward heroin.  It's a big jump from popping a pill to sticking a needle in your body, but someone in pain can do desperate things.

I broke a tooth not too long ago, and was treated like a fucking junkie asking for some pain meds.

No, you’re just not very clear in your writing, and downright wrong in your “economics”

Or tobacco?

Not, not when you don't bother to read the whole thread.

What economics?  The economics of street drugs?  

Slamming heroin isn't the only way to effectively use it.

My mom drank herself to death. Father died from a VA morphine prescription OD. Cool with thier dealers being whacked?

Try me.

This just in from Cincinnati.  The media, and some people here, seem to be obsessed with overdose deaths.  They are completely irrelevant.  They are incidental.  They create the impression that heroin is much than other addictive drugs, and it's not.  They all destroy lives and families, just the same.    Note that these "opioids"  are heroin and fentanyl, not prescription pills.  This is another deliberate attempt to hijack this thread.  We cannot give in to the Deep State.

Hamilton County sees 31 percent jump in OD deaths for new record

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/03/20/hamilton-county-sees-31-percent-jump-overdose-deaths-coroner-says-each-time-person-dies-we-take-hear/438432002/

"Hamilton County remains entrenched in a nationwide opioid heroin epidemic, with 31 percent more overdose deaths in 2017 than the year before.

County Coroner Dr. Lakshmi Sammarco released the annual count Tuesday, noting that the death toll was reduced by the antidote for opioid overdose, Narcan.

"The number of lives being saved is huge," Sammarco said. "There's no doubt (overdose deaths) would've been double or triple what they were without Narcan."

Most of the 529 who died from overdose had a mix including a synthetic opiate in their bloodstream. Sammarco's count included 373 opiate-related and 81 cocaine-related overdose deaths.

The main culprit, she and law enforcement officers said, is the mega-potent synthetic opiate fentanyl. The opioid reigning in drug deaths in United States and Canada is usually imprecisely made in "bucket" factories in China and shipped in through U.S. borders.

"The number of lives being saved is huge," Sammarco said. "There's no doubt (overdose deaths) would've been double or triple what they were without Narcan."

Most of the 529 who died from overdose had a mix including a synthetic opiate in their bloodstream. Sammarco's count included 373 opiate-related and 81 cocaine-related overdose deaths.

The main culprit, she and law enforcement officers said, is the mega-potent synthetic opiate fentanyl. The opioid reigning in drug deaths in United States and Canada is usually imprecisely made in "bucket" factories in China and shipped in through U.S. borders.

The total overdose death count of 529 compares with 403 in 2016 and 414 in 2015.

Hamilton County's crime lab was also slammed like never before in 2017, Sammarco said, with more than 30,000 drug-seizure cases.

She called it a "huge" number, with the drug-case count 2.5 times higher than "any other crime lab in Ohio."

The number of heroin submissions at the lab were down: 919 in 2017, compared to 5,002 in 2012.

Submissions of fentanyl and heroin mixed were up: 180 in 2014 (the first time fentanyl was noted) to 1,748 in 2017.

Submissions of fentanyl alone were up: 123 cases in 2014, 1,223 in 2017, the coroner said.

Are you aware that fentanyl is a prescription drug?

Are you aware that cocaine is in the same schedule?  Are you aware that they aren't using prescription fentanyl to mix with heroin?

Nope. Many do it because they are addicted.

Opiate withdrawals are INTENSE. Once the pills and prescription run out many people will do anything to avoid the pain of the withdrawal and feel "normal" again including jumping to heroin.

Again, unless it is your contention that 100% of the people that get hooked by their doctors, switch to heroin, where are the rest of them?  Where are the ones that choose rehab?  Where are the ones that are suing their doctors for allowing them to become addicted?  Where are the doctors that are losing their license for getting their patients addicted?  If this was truly a problem, we would see the numbers and the reports.  They would be used as evidence to drive the agenda.  They don't exist.  There may be a small few that choose heroin to avoid withdrawal, but not enough to count, and certainly not enough to be considered part of the problem.  The vast majority of those that switch to heroin, do it because they like being high on opioids.

Making other people responsible the the poor judgement or choices of others is not an example of embracing individual liberty.

This site is supposed to be full of liberty lovers, but instead we get statists who want to see government killing people for selling others what they want.

I do not partake of any, so-called, recreational drugs nor do I use pharmaceutical drugs with the exception of antibiotics should the need arise the need arise.

I do however embrace the individual's right to make choices for themselves as long as they do not impede my ability to do so.

That said, I'll be waiting for them to resume the strict constitutional enforcement of this:

The power to choose the severity of punishment lies with the Congress and the precedent has long been set.

What do you think has cost, ruined or otherwise diminished the lives and futures of more people since the beginning of our republic?

Someone selling people what they choose for themselves or treasonous shitlords in government.

There are plenty on this site who only care about the second amendment, and even that only applies to stuff they like.

They are lower than communists. At least the communists are honest about hating freedom.

From a funeral directors point of view, TBS is correct ive had one legitimate got addicted after surgery OD in the past 3 years and probably 25 recreational users who lost the NARCAN challenge.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Pill+mill

No shit. Here and there, there are pill mills, and eventually they get busted.  What does that have to do with anything?    Or are you trying to tell me that that's where the rest of the people go?  All of them?  So, let me sum it all up.  The opioid problem in this country is largely fueled by well-meaning medical professionals who over-prescribe opioid pain medicine, leading to tens of thousands of people becoming addicted.   Rather than seek help, sue their doctor, or make their problem known in any way, all of them either start checking corners, looking for a heroin dealer so they can bang heroin, or if they're lucky, they find a pill mill in their town.  And it's all because their inept doctor let them become addicted, not because they like it.  Is that right?

If you sell someone a pair of scissors that they intend to use, and it kills them, at the very least you should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
If you sell someone some pesticides that they intend to use, and they get cancer, and it kills them, at the very least you should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
If you sell someone donuts, they get fat and the bettus, develop cardiovascular disease, and it kills them, at the very least you should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
If you sell someone a firearm, and they murder other people, and then kill themselves, at the very least you should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

Also, waiting on Benedict Donald to call for the death penalty on mass murders / spree killers.

"Hello, I am from the government and I am here to help you."

I'd be more concerned if we actually executed more than a tiny fraction of people sentenced to a death penalty. But since we don't, I'm not.

My Dr is from the Philippines.  He feels the same way. He is very pro Trump and pro gun.

Huh, almost like that train of thought isn't as fun when applied to other things.