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That's liking saying that you have to kill hostages in order to kill kidnappers.  The cities under ISIS control aren't exactly willing participants.

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That's not true, there are a ton of fixed targets, just like in WW2.  

Until the United States re-realizes civilians have to die in war to convince others not to fight, we will continue losing.

We didn't win WW2 by bombing oil refineries and ball bearing plants.  We won WW2 by bombing cities, civilians, non-combatants.  That is what it takes to win, no matter how distasteful it is.

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That's liking saying that you have to kill hostages in order to kill kidnappers.  The cities under ISIS control aren't exactly willing participants.

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Yeah, because what Reagan did decades before he was a US president, before spending 8 years as California's governor, is equal to Trump acting like a jack ass on network television.

Every word that has come out of Trump's mouth, or any other politician, was planted there by a political adviser. Trump is saying the things he does because someone told him that it would have a high pay off with voters. By "speaking the truth" and "calling it how it is." He has zero political experience and has never worked in a govt institution, has fucked up as many businesses as he helped build, and is a show boating jackass. When people suddenly think he knows what he's talking about means Trump was successful in manipulating them.

Trump's whole political playbook came from this guy. Roger Stone And everything this guy told Trump to say was calculated at getting people to forget the Trump on reality tv and WWE, the obnoxious business tycoon, and make people think he would have a clue as President.

This isn't much different than the porn star/whore who ran for PM in Italy. Or Jessie the Body or Arnold becoming governors. Well, at least those two were active in politics beforehand and didn't try to jump straight ahead and run as president.

Trump saw that 2016 was going to be an abysmal election cycle for Republican presidential candidates and decided he to toss in his hat as well, plain and simple. He has no tangible skills or resume builders so he's trying to win on shock value and "truth."

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Okay, name a target to carpet bomb in Iraq and Syria that would make death cultist jihadis want to lay down their arms.  

We won WWII by destroying the German and Japanese militaries and conquering their lands. Neither of those two govts gave a shit about their own civilian deaths, and the civilian themselves were often given more motivation to fight because of bombings.

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I love when people bring up WWII as an example of bombing crushing resistance.  Didn't we see the exact opposite happen in Britain while they were getting bombed...

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  The only PC/Globally Accepted way to do it.  If we didn't give a shit about what the world thought, we could just bomb the oil sites.  Yeah they'd pollute a shit load, but no more oil.  
 

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Trump didn't say take out the oil. He said that the US should take it, as in pump it, and sell it, with us keeping them money. In order to do that, we must protect it, meaning putting large numbers of military to guard the oil and pipelines.





Bombing the sites wouldn't take out ISIS, they were created before controlling the oil fields, they will be around they lose them (which is happening now). It'll weaken them, but removing destroying wells wont take them out.

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Trump didn't say take out the oil. He said that the US should take it, as in pump it, and sell it, with us keeping them money. In order to do that, we must protect it, meaning putting large numbers of military to guard the oil and pipelines.





Bombing the sites wouldn't take out ISIS, they were created before controlling the oil fields, they will be around they lose them (which is happening now). It'll weaken them, but removing destroying wells wont take them out.

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I EASd out of USMC in July 2001. I was less than 20 miles away from the WTC when it got hit. You could see the smoke from my house. My mother and sister worked in downtown Manhattan. I knew people in FDNY and NYPD who didn't come out. The day of the attack I went out jogging to start getting back into shape when I would get the letter recalling me from IRR, but it didn't come.

When that didn't happen, I signed up for Nat'l Guard, I was sworn in by Jan 2. I knew this was going to be a long war and wanted to finish college, figured the Guard would allow me to get into the fight while I continued my education, so I could get commissioned and lead platoons and companies or plan operations. I lived and breathed war from 2002 to 2010, that was my sole focus in life, learning everything I could. I devoured every book, every manual, every AAR I could find on Center for Army Lessons Learned. I took classes in school about Middle Eastern history, about Islam, about international relations, the Arab Israeli conflict, the Ottoman Empire and everything else I could. Know thy enemy, they say. I was starting to and was ready to fight the Salafist bastards.

We deployed to Gitmo, I actually saw those people that were responsible for 9/11. But it was a bullshit deployment and I knew they had no desire to deploy our BN to combat. So after I ETS'd from the Guard I finished school and signed up for active Army, still for the infantry, specifically volunteered to go to Iraq. Within 1.5 months of reporting to Ft Lewis I was on a plane to Iraq as a replacement NCO. I went over there, actually fought Al Qaeda in Iraq, 24 whole months by the time my service was done and I was spent in body and mind.

What did you do aloha boy? How did you serve your country during its times of strife?

I am educated, I studied Islam. I know Muslims. I'm 100% sure I know more about that conflict and religion than you and aren't stupid enough to source your argument with some bullshit chain email hate letter that any knowledgeable person knows is utter bullshit.

The best human being, the most stalwart, kind, and loyal person I know, he is a Muslim. He also fought for this country. There are many more like him, the vast majority are like him, just people with jobs, families, the same daily worries that normal people have. They hate this shit with ISIS too. And you want to kill them because you're an ignorant chicken shit.

You're too stupid to be allowed an opinion. Seriously, you're in the dangerous category of dumb. Hopefully some day you can personally reap what you sow.

Mahalo loser

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But but, nuke them!

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I really hope you take my personal attack to heart. It was well deserved.

I'm still waiting to hear what you did to fight against the threat of global jihadism? Besides posting inflammatory crap and insulting people you don't know. Did you serve in the GWOT? Did you serve in the military?

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Since you've admitted to your personal attack.  I'll just wait for the moderators.  Have a good day.

Aloha, Mark

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The core ISIS' leadership are fundamentalist Salafist Iraqis who were relatively low ranking in the insurgency until they got detained, sent to Camp Bucca, linked up with each other, and then released. A few were military officers under Saddam, but his govt was not nearly as secularist as people think. Islam has always been a major part of life for Sunni Arabs, especially after Saddam's religious revivals in the 90s.

Haji Bakr, the former Saddam era intelligence officer, was (he's dead now) the strategic planner for ISIS and created their tactical playbook for taking and conquering territory. He was a baathist first but he also wasn't the head of ISIS, or even a high ranking member, he was known as a brigade commander within the organization. But he was "the man with the plan" who had the ear of the much more senior ISIS leadership, they listened to his ideas and carried them out because he knew how to plan things well. He used ISIS, they used him. By 2010, the Baathist had so little power in Iraq that they needed to align with the Jihadi movements, so guys like him swore allegiance to the Islamic State.

Top ISIS leaders revealed

One of the first things ISIS does in any occupied territory is introduce a very strict interpretation of Sharia Law, with a religious court system that imposes draconian measures. All the leaders are known to be devout. They've even banned cigarette smoking, and have beaten and even executed people for violating that infraction. They are absolutely faithful to the Salafist tenants of Islam.

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Did you forget that you called me a jihadist?

Calling you out is so worth a warning or short time out.  

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I love when people bring up WWII as an example of bombing crushing resistance.  Didn't we see the exact opposite happen in Britain while they were getting bombed...

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No need to lie....just to make yourself feel better.

I haven't used the word "jihadist" in my posts.

Aloha, Mark

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So on top of being ignorant, foolish, chickenhawkish, you're also a liar. Because there is only one way of construing this remark:

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Think whatever dude.....YOU are your worst enemy.

Aloha, Mark

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Of the two of you, only one has provided solid analysis of a complex region.  Hint: it wasn't you.

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Holy shit, you're actually serious. The govt of Saddam, the one that would be forced to pay reparations, doesn't exist anymore. The one that replaced it is full of his enemies, is one we literally created from scratch. And you think we can drop a bill on them from 1991?

If Saddam and his govt were still in power, we might have a claim to have him pay reparations. But he isn't in power, because we overthrew his country, captured him, helped the new govt try him and hang him, along with many of his supporters.

How is this concept beyond your comprehension to understand?

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Then spend the rest of eternity trying to wash the blood off of your hands

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Your posting have been in some cases informative and educational.  FWIW........calm down a bit and quit taking a differing opinion as a message of hate.  Believe it or not, my posting don't come from hate.

Aloha, Mark

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In your educated opinion, when will the air bases that house the Iraqi Air Force be captured? Where are these bases?

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They will never fight us with our own equipment.   United States arms will never be in the hands of ISIS...

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And, some here should also note, that I've never advocated the use of nukes in this conflict.  But, I reserve the right to change that stance/opinion.  IF, things change.

Aloha, Mark

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The core ISIS' leadership are fundamentalist Salafist Iraqis who were relatively low ranking in the insurgency until they got detained, sent to Camp Bucca, linked up with each other, and then released. A few were military officers under Saddam, but his govt was not nearly as secularist as people think. Islam has always been a major part of life for Sunni Arabs, especially after Saddam's religious revivals in the 90s.

Haji Bakr, the former Saddam era intelligence officer, was (he's dead now) the strategic planner for ISIS and created their tactical playbook for taking and conquering territory. He was a baathist first but he also wasn't the head of ISIS, or even a high ranking member, he was known as a brigade commander within the organization. But he was "the man with the plan" who had the ear of the much more senior ISIS leadership, they listened to his ideas and carried them out because he knew how to plan things well. He used ISIS, they used him. By 2010, the Baathist had so little power in Iraq that they needed to align with the Jihadi movements, so guys like him swore allegiance to the Islamic State.

Top ISIS leaders revealed

One of the first things ISIS does in any occupied territory is introduce a very strict interpretation of Sharia Law, with a religious court system that imposes draconian measures. All the leaders are known to be devout. They've even banned cigarette smoking, and have beaten and even executed people for violating that infraction. They are absolutely faithful to the Salafist tenants of Islam.

After being released from Bucca in 2010, the core leadership of ISIS tried to work in Iraq but wasn't getting anything done really because at that time Maliki's govt was too strong and the negative results of his stupid policies with the Iraqi Sunni population hadn't taken affect yet. Once the Syrian Civil War started in 2011, ISIS began moving into eastern Syria, and organizing cells to fight against loyal Asad forces, that region had already been a Sunni insurgent safe haven and they already had contacts, safe houses, etc. Then ISIS created Al Nusra Front, that was made to be the Syrian splinter organization of ISIS, to operate in Syria. Later, over leadership and ideological differences, Al Nusra formally split off from ISIS and aligned with the global Al Qaeda movement, led mostly by Pakistanis and Saudis at this point. ISIS continued fighting, building their base, using Haji Bakr's playbook to take control of territory, forcing smaller anti-Assad Islamic groups to align with them, for higher funding and protection.

By ISIS, I'm specifically referring to the organization that is controlled by Al-Baghdadi (not a Ba'athist), who replaced the other Baghdadi in 2010, who was I believe a captain in Saddam's military, a relative nobody in the army.

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Lol, so taking a pic next to captured equipment means that know how to use an M1 tank? Those vehicles are brought out for parades and twitter pictures and then never movie again. Show me where in Iraq ISIS has tanks? They don't, too complex, too hard to maintain, too much fuel, too big a target. Where are they getting main gun rounds or parts from? Does ISIS know how to break tract?

The only US made captured equipment heavily in use by ISIS are small arms, uparmored humvees, and some M113 APCs that they don't even use properly, using them instead as armored VBIEDs.

That monkey model M1 might as well be a Space Shuttle.