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Quoted: Yes, I do believe the media, democrats and government would come after those people regardless of a pardon. Yes sir. There is absolutely no reason for Trump to give himself up to the bureaucratic swamp mob when it would have done no good. View Quote Hey, at least we got ‘lil wayne back. |
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Quoted: All legitimate excuses that avoided more political persecution and legal troubles for Trump and the Jan.6 political prisoners. View Quote Trump abandoning the J6 unguided tour group avoided persecution and legal troubles for them? He threw them under the bus with the press and left them to rot in jail to save his own worthless ass, and you defend it. And you keep defending it. |
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Quoted: He had no way of knowing exactly what had all occurred. Had something truly horrendous been uncovered, I don't know, maybe like a "pipe bomb", think how that would have played out. View Quote You're exactly right that Trump weighed justice for the protesters versus his political career and the protesters lost. |
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Fuck you don. You ripped off people for 100 million in stop the steal money, and scurried off to mar a Lago with your tail between your legs after your most ardent supporters were being rounded up. That's after you pardoned crooked politicians and degenerate rappers on your way out of the door.
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Quoted: Yes, I do believe the media, democrats and government would come after those people regardless of a pardon. Yes sir. There is absolutely no reason for Trump to give himself up to the bureaucratic swamp mob when it would have done no good. View Quote I guess I fixed the meme Attached File Anyone knew what those people were facing in the days after Jan 6th and he had time to give those people some cover, even if it hurt his political career. I'm fine with Trump as politicians go, but he left those people out to dry. Bottom line, this is an astute political move. |
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Quoted: Trump abandoning the J6 unguided tour group avoided persecution and legal troubles for them? He threw them under the bus with the press and left them to rot in jail to save his own worthless ass, and you defend it. And you keep defending it. View Quote Cult leaders can do no wrong..the acolytes will defend to the point of donning Nikes and eating the special.applesause if need be. |
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Quoted: Quoted: He should have pardoned them before he left office. And then what would have happened? According to the guys here, the swamp would've dropped the whole thing, like a armed robber seeing a 'no guns allowed' sign. That's some infantile thinking right there. |
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Quoted: According to the guys here, the swamp would've dropped the whole thing, like a armed robber seeing a 'no guns allowed' sign. That's some infantile thinking right there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He should have pardoned them before he left office. And then what would have happened? According to the guys here, the swamp would've dropped the whole thing, like a armed robber seeing a 'no guns allowed' sign. That's some infantile thinking right there. Did they go after the draft dodgers once Jimmy Carter pardoned them? |
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There is absolutely no doubt that Trump could have carved out a pardon for Jan 6 protesters that did not commit violent crimes or committed mere misdemeanor's.
But he didn't. And he threw the supporters he told to go to the capital and make their voices be heard under the bus. Trump only cares about Trump. |
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Quoted: Did they go after the draft dodgers once Jimmy Carter pardoned them? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He should have pardoned them before he left office. And then what would have happened? According to the guys here, the swamp would've dropped the whole thing, like a armed robber seeing a 'no guns allowed' sign. That's some infantile thinking right there. Did they go after the draft dodgers once Jimmy Carter pardoned them? Because politics in 2021/22/23/24 is the same as politics in 1977 ? Y'all are making the same claim that soccer moms do by saying that no-guns signs stop criminals. They overturned everything Trump did, but would've respected a pardon issued by him against the people they are using to support the insurrection narrative ?! |
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Quoted: There is absolutely no doubt that Trump could have carved out a pardon for Jan 6 protesters that did not commit violent crimes or committed mere misdemeanor's. But he didn't. And he threw the supporters he told to go to the capital and make their voices be heard under the bus. Trump only cares about Trump. View Quote Pardon them for what? |
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Quoted: Why didn’t he do it before he left? He pardoned a lot of people. View Quote This, but why am I in agreement with you on something. He was busying pardoning Kwame Kilpatrick instead of 1/6 people. Absolutely no reason to pardon Kwame. Black Detroiters hated him so much they voted in a white guy after. |
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Trump needs to create a new civilian medal.
Order of the MAGA and award it to them. |
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I remember at Lobby Day 2020 BlackFox saying that if anyone lost their jobs for coming to the rally he would hire them, and that if anyone got jammed up that we had lawyers standing by to represent them. That's what leadership means, and it's also what gives people on the bubble the courage to take risks.
No one will ever stick their neck out for Trump ever again because they know they'll be hung out to dry, and that's why he'll never be an effective movement leader ever again. |
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Quoted: Bread and Circuses for idiots. Nothing about disbanding the ATF, dropping anti gun executive orders or repealing Hughes or the NFA. Fuck that guy. View Quote Some here actually believe Trump will protect the 2A despite more gun control than 8 years of Obama. Speaking of giving a pass......the personality worship is gross |
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Quoted: Quoted: There is absolutely no doubt that Trump could have carved out a pardon for Jan 6 protesters that did not commit violent crimes or committed mere misdemeanor's. But he didn't. And he threw the supporters he told to go to the capital and make their voices be heard under the bus. Trump only cares about Trump. Pardon them for what? Already explained in a previous post. |
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Quoted: Because then he wouldn't be able to dangle it in front of his base. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Why didn’t he do it before he left? He pardoned a lot of people. Because then he wouldn't be able to dangle it in front of his base. Attached File |
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Quoted: Nope. He could have granted them a full pardon. A federal pardon can be issued prior to the start of a legal case or inquiry, prior to any indictments being issued, for unspecified offenses, and prior to or after a conviction for a federal crime. View Quote So Trump had all those names in hand when he left office right?? |
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Quoted: Some here actually believe Trump will protect the 2A despite more gun control than 8 years of Obama. Speaking of giving a pass......the personality worship is gross View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Bread and Circuses for idiots. Nothing about disbanding the ATF, dropping anti gun executive orders or repealing Hughes or the NFA. Fuck that guy. Some here actually believe Trump will protect the 2A despite more gun control than 8 years of Obama. Speaking of giving a pass......the personality worship is gross Some here are just flat out delusional against Trump. |
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Quoted: Some here are just flat out delusional against Trump. View Quote Delusional by pointing out truths? That's not how it works. Delusional is excusing wrongdoing and calling it doing right. You guys are truly from 1984. War is peace. Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength. You guys take the ignorance is strength thing to heart. Your other buddy started a tread telling us how we should be thankful Trump had the ATF ban bunpstocks. You guys have officially become leftist lite. |
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Maybe I'm crazy but I seem to remember Trump's email being cut off, his campaign funding being cut off. I'm not even 100% convinced he picked the people he pardoned.
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I'm going to vote for the guy I but I'm not naive enough to believe any promises about policies or actions.
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Quoted: LOL!!! Someone clearly doesn't understand at all how the American Executive & Legislative Branches work. Trump stupidly did his "actions" almost entirely by "Executive Orders" rather than use the power of his Republican Senate & Republican House of Representatives to pass & sign into LAW actual LEGISLATION (which is FAR more difficult to repeal or end when a different party to comes to power). Trump was always about shortcuts and shoddy work. That his "legislative legacy" has been undone is because of Trump & Executive Orders instead of passing LAWS. A Presidential Executive Order can be changed or repealed by ANY President at ANY time for ANY reason. To Repeal a Law is a MUCH higher order of magnitude more difficult. But Trump was clearly stupid & idiotic if Trump didn't somehow understand that ANY Presidential Executive Order is subject to being ended or modified upon whim of ANY President. Trump didn't bother do go to Congress and make "Law", which makes those changes & a legislative legacy that is more or less permanent. In fact, Trumps infantile & idiotic Bump Stock Ban was a deliberate end run around Congress, where Mitch McConnell had been like King Kong swatting biplanes from the sky when it came to Obama & 8 years of constant efforts for Gun Control. But even Mitch McConnell couldn't do anything to save our 2nd Amendment Rights when Idiot Trump did his "Don't Worry - I'LL BAN THEM - Bump stocks - I'm doing it ALL BY MYSELF" with his stupid Presidential Directive to the BATFE ordering them to find that Bumpstocks (an inert piece of plastic) were in fact "Machine Guns". https://i.imgur.com/hhMKS0f.jpg Maybe in 2024 ... President Trump will also Pledge to undo his own Idiotic Bump Stock Ban too? However, to the uneducated among ARFCOM, here is a Civics lesson that a Presidential PARDON is permanent. A Presidential Pardon is NOT subject to any Repeal or Recension no matter whom or what party of the President in office. Sweet Weeping JEBUS ... some of you really never did made it past 7th grade & "American Civics" did you? Bigger_Hammer View Quote To be fair, he had Paul Ryan cockblocking him at every turn in the House. Not that I'm abdicating Trump for getting in his own way, but he didn't have the rubber stamp in Congress his predecessors with both houses had. |
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Quoted: As has been pointed out a million times already, including in this very thread, he didn't need them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So Trump had all those names in hand when he left office right?? As has been pointed out a million times already, including in this very thread, he didn't need them. He did need a general idea of who he was going to pardon and for what. And the time before he left office was not enough time to actually vet the ones that he would be pardoning. |
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Quoted: Delusional by pointing out truths? That's not how it works. Delusional is excusing wrongdoing and calling it doing right. You guys are truly from 1984. War is peace. Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength. You guys take the ignorance is strength thing to heart. Your other buddy started a tread telling us how we should be thankful Trump had the ATF ban bunpstocks. You guys have officially become leftist lite. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Some here are just flat out delusional against Trump. Delusional by pointing out truths? That's not how it works. Delusional is excusing wrongdoing and calling it doing right. You guys are truly from 1984. War is peace. Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength. You guys take the ignorance is strength thing to heart. Your other buddy started a tread telling us how we should be thankful Trump had the ATF ban bunpstocks. You guys have officially become leftist lite. Lol, it would be wrong to blanket pardon a group of people for crashing into the capitol. Some were instigators. Some were just caught up in the moment. And some were violent. No way to sort that out in a matter of two weeks. It is delusional to think differently. |
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Or just enjoy trolling, paid or not. I have no doubt that he will do as he says regarding the J6 protestors. Keeping in mind the idea that arguing with trolls is like playing chess with a pigeon I find the best policy is to just ignore them.
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Quoted: He did need a general idea of who he was going to pardon and for what. And the time before he left office was not enough time to actually vet the ones that he would be pardoning. View Quote “All Americans gathered in and around the Capitol Building on Jan 6, who did not otherwise engage in violent activity, are hereby pardoned from any and all future federal charges for behavior in which they engaged that day.” |
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Quoted: “All Americans gathered in and around the Capitol Building on Jan 6, who did not otherwise engage in violent activity, are hereby pardoned from any and all future federal charges for behavior in which they engaged that day.” View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: He did need a general idea of who he was going to pardon and for what. And the time before he left office was not enough time to actually vet the ones that he would be pardoning. “All Americans gathered in and around the Capitol Building on Jan 6, who did not otherwise engage in violent activity, are hereby pardoned from any and all future federal charges for behavior in which they engaged that day.” "All americans" What if they weren't Americans? What is considered violent activity? It wouldn't work that way, boss. |
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Quoted: "All Americans gathered in and around the Capitol Building on Jan 6, who did not otherwise engage in violent activity, are hereby pardoned from any and all future federal charges for behavior in which they engaged that day." View Quote For example calling the tour of the capitol building an insurrection. They also would claim that anyone inside the capitol was engaging in " violent activity", rendering the wording of the pardon useless. |
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Quoted: Quoted: "All americans" What if they weren't Americans? What is considered violent activity? It wouldn't work that way, boss. Maybe not. But Trump didn’t even try. So you're mad that he didn't even try something that wouldn't work and would be considered a cover up in front of congress, who was impeaching him. Hello, you're delusional. |
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Quoted: Lol, it would be wrong to blanket pardon a group of people for crashing into the capitol. Some were instigators. Some were just caught up in the moment. And some were violent. No way to sort that out in a matter of two weeks. It is delusional to think differently. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some here are just flat out delusional against Trump. Delusional by pointing out truths? That's not how it works. Delusional is excusing wrongdoing and calling it doing right. You guys are truly from 1984. War is peace. Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength. You guys take the ignorance is strength thing to heart. Your other buddy started a tread telling us how we should be thankful Trump had the ATF ban bunpstocks. You guys have officially become leftist lite. Lol, it would be wrong to blanket pardon a group of people for crashing into the capitol. Some were instigators. Some were just caught up in the moment. And some were violent. No way to sort that out in a matter of two weeks. It is delusional to think differently. And the history of prosecution of rioters? Non existent. |
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Quoted: So you're mad that he didn't even try something that wouldn't work and would be considered a cover up in front of congress, who was impeaching him. Hello, you're delusional. View Quote No, I’m not mad. I think the violent rioters on Jan 6 should be in jail. I’m just pointing out that the people who believe they shouldn’t be, are simply making excuses for Trump’s failure to pardon them. He could have, but he didn’t. Didn’t even try. And it’s not because of some legal mumbo jumbo preventing him from doing it. He didn’t want to pardon them, because the Jan 6 protestors were a liability to him at the time. Now that he sees it as politically useful to promise a pardon, that’s what he is doing. They are nothing but pawns to him. |
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Quoted: This, but why am I in agreement with you on something. He was busying pardoning Kwame Kilpatrick instead of 1/6 people. Absolutely no reason to pardon Kwame. Black Detroiters hated him so much they voted in a white guy after. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Why didn’t he do it before he left? He pardoned a lot of people. This, but why am I in agreement with you on something. He was busying pardoning Kwame Kilpatrick instead of 1/6 people. Absolutely no reason to pardon Kwame. Black Detroiters hated him so much they voted in a white guy after. This one is my favorite 2 Kansas men ‘collateral damage’ in gun control dispute President Donald Trump’s administration had asked the court to leave the convictions in place. |
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Quoted: No, I’m not mad. I think the violent rioters on Jan 6 should be in jail. I’m just pointing out that the people who believe they shouldn’t be, are simply making excuses for Trump’s failure to pardon them. He could have, but he didn’t. Didn’t even try. And it’s not because of some legal mumbo jumbo preventing him from doing it. He didn’t want to pardon them, because the Jan 6 protestors were a liability to him at the time. Now that he sees it as politically useful to promise a pardon, that’s what he is doing. They are nothing but pawns to him. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So you're mad that he didn't even try something that wouldn't work and would be considered a cover up in front of congress, who was impeaching him. Hello, you're delusional. No, I’m not mad. I think the violent rioters on Jan 6 should be in jail. I’m just pointing out that the people who believe they shouldn’t be, are simply making excuses for Trump’s failure to pardon them. He could have, but he didn’t. Didn’t even try. And it’s not because of some legal mumbo jumbo preventing him from doing it. He didn’t want to pardon them, because the Jan 6 protestors were a liability to him at the time. Now that he sees it as politically useful to promise a pardon, that’s what he is doing. They are nothing but pawns to him. I've just thoroughly explained why he couldn't have pardoned them. It doesn't have anything to do with the power vested in him with the constitution. There are other factors at play with a pardon, yes, political and legal ones. 1. It is the President's duty to faithfully execute the law. 2. He didn't know who to pardon and for what crime. 3. It wouldn't be enough time to vet the people that were there and determine whether their crime deserves punishment. 4. It would be considered a cover up, especially given they were impeaching him for causing the Jan.6th capitol house party. |
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Quoted: I've just thoroughly explained why he couldn't have pardoned them. It doesn't have anything to do with the power vested in him with the constitution. There are other factors at play with a pardon, yes, political and legal ones. 1. It is the President's duty to faithfully execute the law. 2. He didn't know who to pardon and for what crime. 3. It wouldn't be enough time to vet the people that were there and determine whether their crime deserves punishment. 4. It would be considered a cover up, especially given they were impeaching him for causing the Jan.6th capitol house party. View Quote You need to appeal to magical thinking if you want to have a chance of reaching some people. |
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Quoted: According to the guys here, the swamp would've dropped the whole thing, like a armed robber seeing a 'no guns allowed' sign. That's some infantile thinking right there. View Quote Talk about infantile thinking... Do you mean like the swamp went after all the thugs and crooked politicians trump actually pardoned.... lol can't make this stuff up.... |
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Quoted: “All Americans gathered in and around the Capitol Building on Jan 6, who did not otherwise engage in violent activity, are hereby pardoned from any and all future federal charges for behavior in which they engaged that day.” View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: He did need a general idea of who he was going to pardon and for what. And the time before he left office was not enough time to actually vet the ones that he would be pardoning. “All Americans gathered in and around the Capitol Building on Jan 6, who did not otherwise engage in violent activity, are hereby pardoned from any and all future federal charges for behavior in which they engaged that day.” DoJ: An insurrection is a violent activity, therefore nobody is covered by Trump's pardon USSC: We refuse to take this case See how easy that was ? |
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Quoted: You need to appeal to magical thinking if you want to have a chance of reaching some people. View Quote lol, the magical thinking (more like mental gymnastics) is believing that Trump really really really wanted to pardon these guys, but some legal red tape was holding him back. I mean, this from the guy who suggested we terminate the constitution so he could get his way. If Trump cared about pardoning them, he would have tried. But he doesn’t, so he didn’t. End of story. |
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