Guess what. Illegals don't give a rat's ass about legal status. We gotta make it hurt to be an illegal here. We have to start fining businesses that hire illegals. $1,000,000 for the first offense with subsequent offenses doubling on the one before it. No federal assistance for illegals. No public schools for children of illegals. No anchor babies. No driver's licenses for illegals. Must show proof of citizenship to transfer money out of the country.

He is not going to do that. He “has a heart.” He is not going to enforce the law. By his inaction the last two years it was evidently the case, but now it is written for all to see. It is done.

Only when the risk vs the reward of hiring illegals is realized by making the hiring of illegals a felony we will be dealing with this problem forever. Same with the hiring of those with expired visas.

But, but, but, the illegal gave me fake documents.....Fuck you, here's your felony. Life is harsh, it should be doubly so for those that hire illegals.

Local law enforcement being involved is the key. The man power they provide is far greater than anything ICE could ever drum up. And I don't give a shit about federal vs state immigration issues that they always cry about.  Local cops aren't going to let an American go with a federal warrant, but they sure as hell will let the fed. immigration side of things slide. But this is just one of the many problems. All the illegals that have come across the border recently have been given an ankle monitor and then let roam freely. We are truely fucked as a nation at this point, the timeline is the only debate.

This statement from him is not new and is the only logical solution.  He offered legalization (not citizenship) to all 20 million (not just DACA kids) if we build the wall, and Dem's turned it down last year(?).   I think it's the best solution.

Lol

No

You know what people love more than guns and illegals?

Having a job and making more money than they have before.

Trump'll get re-elected....

Turning hard working Americans into felons is never the answer. Buisness owners are being forced to play by the rules set in place by elected officials.

You're out of your mind if you think this country continues without them going back, one way or another.

Do you have a link?

What I recall was an offer to expand DACA to around 3.2 million in exchange for the wall.

While I dont like it, you dont like it, you and I both know the Dems will never deport them, the Reps are too weak to do shit either.  Trump knows it's a loser yet he can use it to bargain.  why the fuck would you not do that?

Can you imagine the optics of police going door to door taking entire families of mexicans out, the media would have EVERY person who's in the middle solidly against trump, it would be a bloodbath next election.

Get the wall up, then you just let the system pick them up one by one.  Cop pulls one over "Oh yeah you were speeding, yeah I need your license oh you dont' have one and aren't here legally?  free ride to the border for you.  next!"

You guys gotta realize our side maybe has 30% control of the country and government at any given time.

how bout a real PUTSCH then?

You left out what he said about McCain. You're slipping.

It's just not going to happen.

Yep.

That is the solution.

Criminalize hiring an illegal, and push illegals off welfare.

Romney proposed that in 2012, and Obama and Trump both attacked him on his immigration stance as, "mean spirited" to illegals... Link

They would all move to CA or NYC.  I could live with that.

There used to be INS raids here when GWB was in office. Small businesses even. Remember GW? He was referred to as Jorge Bush, because he was so soft on illegal immigration. Now? Nothing. Zero concern for those that are here.

Where are your stats proving that the majority of illegals entered here legally?
Besides, due to the definition of "illegal alien" meaning we don't know how many are here, how can you support your post?

They already have that but I believe the "black mark" is for 10 years for anyone caught here illegally.

Only NeverTrumpers oppose Amnesty for Illegal Aliens.

It’s the NRA’s fault!

Probably not.

But that's the situation. Make them leave, or this country is done.

Your hero McCain had a little to do with keeping Obamacare.
Did you know McCain was a POW?  He tried to keep that on the down low.

We are more of a threat and have more to lose. We can pay fines. Illegal's don't have a pot to piss in and break tax laws. Ironically that's what the bumpstock crowd will be prosecuted for.

Everyone in 2 months has a choice to make.

Careful. We have site staff rationalizing and justifying hiring illegals.
Do you value your account?

President Trump will win in 2020 without question.

So... If the house Was R Trump would get his wall?

This is why we cannot have nice things.

This post (from an extremist, "take the guns first," Trump supporter) is why the border wall talk is fake.

The *real* problem driving the immigration crisis is employers in the US who want cheap labor.

They are here and out-breeding us in droves. And Tyson Chicken, and Agriculture employers, and meat processing employers ***LEGALLY*** drive them here for work.

Trump invented the "crisis" at the border, and talk of a "wall" to take folks attention away from the *real* crisis: employers bringing them here.

The average, "take the guns first," Trump supporter probably honestly thinks that a border wall will make a dent in immigration, when the majority of illegals entered this country legally (on visit or work visas) then stayed.

"The wall" (its a very-expensive fence now) is  to distract folks from the real issue driving immigration: cheap labor. Cheap labor and welfare.

.......that didn't take long.  I'm sure the scum who hired Mollie Tibbit's killer in IOWA had no idea or clue he was illegal.

Which "hard working Americans" would those be? The owners of the meat/poultry processing plants? Some "Farmer John", Too Busy Mrs. Housefrau, or "Contractor Carl" that all pay cash under the table?

Well fuck those people. They are helping to destroy America to line their own pockets or worse yet for their own convenience, so yeah, they can fucking well rot in jail as far as I am concerned.

I'm aware of all that, they bring tyem here on buses for farm work. I'd really like to see the numbers before I'd call it an extreme majority, though. I can count on one hand the amount of people I know who have overstayed their visa, and I can't even count the number who have "ran through the desert" stories. Anecdotal sure but if there are 30 million here illegally then counting the number of overstayed visas against that number should be a pretty easy way to determine it.

Here is what was proposed last January

BORDER SECURITY: Securing the Southern and Northern border of the United States takes a combination of physical infrastructure, technology, personnel, resources, authorities, and the ability to close legal loopholes that are exploited by smugglers, traffickers, cartels, criminals and terrorists.

The Department of Homeland Security must have the tools to deter illegal immigration; the ability to remove individuals who illegally enter the United States; and the vital authorities necessary to protect national security.
These measures below are the minimum tools necessary to mitigate the rapidly growing surge of illegal immigration.

$25 billion trust fund for the border wall system, ports of entry/exit, and northern border improvements and enhancements.
Close crippling personnel deficiencies by appropriating additional funds to hire new DHS personnel, ICE attorneys, immigration judges, prosecutors and other law enforcement professionals.
Hiring and pay reforms to ensure the recruitment and retention of critically-needed personnel.
Deter illegal entry by ending dangerous statutorily-imposed catch-and-release and by closing legal loopholes that have eroded our ability to secure the immigration system and protect public safety.
Ensure the detention and removal of criminal aliens, gang members, violent offenders, and aggravated felons.
Ensure the prompt removal of illegal border-crossers regardless of country of origin.
Deter visa overstays with efficient removal.
Ensure synthetic drugs (fentanyl) are prevented from entering the country.
Institute immigration court reforms to improve efficiency and prevent fraud and abuse.

DACA LEGALIZATION: Provide legal status for DACA recipients and other DACA-eligible illegal immigrants, adjusting the time-frame to encompass a total population of approximately 1.8 million individuals.

10-12 year path to citizenship, with requirements for work, education and good moral character.
Clear eligibility requirements to mitigate fraud.
Status is subject to revocation for criminal conduct or public safety and national security concerns, public charge, fraud, etc.

PROTECT THE NUCLEAR FAMILY: Protect the nuclear family by emphasizing close familial relationships.

Promote nuclear family migration by limiting family sponsorships to spouses and minor children only (for both Citizens and LPRs), ending extended-family chain migration.
Apply these changes prospectively, not retroactively, by processing the “backlog.”

ELIMINATE LOTTERY AND REPURPOSE VISAS: The Visa Lottery selects individuals at random to come to the United States without consideration of skills, merit or public safety.

This program is riddled with fraud and abuse and does not serve the national interest.
Eliminate lottery and reallocate the visas to reduce the family-based “backlog” and high-skilled employment “backlog.”

or make the right donations.

GOP House and Senate members campaigning for 2020:

"Elect us so we can get Trump his wall!"

Boom. Headshot.

100% truth.

The wall means jack sh-- if we do not get them out. Which is why Trump --who imported foreign labor for his hotels and properties-- and businesses, and Republicans are, all for a "wall."

Because it means jack to the big-picture on immigration.

Build a wall. With mines and machine guns (lol, rofl)… And employers will continue to fill the necessary cheap labor jobs by bussing them here in droves, LEGALLY. And the ones already here out-breed us in a generation anyway...

Indeed

You're wasting your time the nevertrumps are already in this thread in full force. Just like the the leftists their ultimate goal is to see President Trump fail. Their entire self worth is dependent on it.

Trump squandered the past two years when he had a Republican Senate and House.

Yeah, no one has the political capital to actually round up 20+ million people. The only hope we have is if La Migra is let off the chain enough to put the fear of God into illegals and their employers so they choose to stay home or self deport. How many would still come here if it meant living like Anne Frank or paying out the nose for forged documents that would pass additional scrutiny.

He had neither when it came to immigration......the senate was not filibuster proof and Ryan was for illegal immigration.

I would say "you guys in 2016" but there's no way you people were in your right mind at the time.

Ryan and McConnell squandered those years.

So “you have to go back” has become “you want amnesty, I give you amnesty.... for the right price.”

Fuck that guy.

I think you're right, he offered at various times up to 2 million, not all 20 million.  But he did say it prior to this week.
I still think the best solution is to first build the wall and then legalize all 20 million, eliminate sanctuary cities and states.

its all just this.. And as soon, as you come to that realization. You will know whom your real masters are.

Your goals on this site are quite obvious even to a new guy like myself. I'm curious why the site allows you to peddle your wares here.

Yeah no shit. Nobody will ever deport them ever

The “Republican” moniker means next to nothing, just because they have that letter next to their name doesn’t mean they can’t be swamp creatures.

I swear so many people have a totally childlike view of the world and how it works, taking everything at face value and making no effort to understand how power actually works.

Well hes sure better than your favourite cunt Romney...

Like stink on a fish.

What is the legal status of immigrants in the U.S.? Link

The majority of immigrants settling in the U.S. without authorization are first coming to the country legally Link

Two-thirds of those who arrived in 2014 did not illegally cross a border, but were admitted (after screening) on non-immigrant (temporary) visas, and then overstayed their period of admission or otherwise violated the terms of their visas. Moreover, this trend in increasing percentages of visa overstays will likely continue into the foreseeable future. Link

DHS Releases Fiscal Year 2017 Entry/Exit Overstay Report "This report separates Visa Waiver Program (VWP) country overstay figures from non--VWP country figures. For VWP countries, the FY 2017 Suspected In-Country Overstay rate was 0.51 percent of the 22,472,710 expected departures." Link

For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings Link

Think about that for a minute... ~half of the folks on the busses getting driven here by Tyson Chicken (or Trump corp, etc) don't leave. Then the next year, same busses filled to the brim for the work season... Half stay. Next year same thing. Year after year.

The vast (and extreme) majority of illegals in this country would not be stopped by a wall. The wall talk is a political distraction...