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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:16:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: Great news! American families will now be able to buy safer, more affordable, and environmentally friendly cars with our new SAFE VEHICLES RULE. Get rid of those old, unsafe clunkers. Build better and safer American cars and create American jobs. Buy American! 
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:16:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:18:26 PM EDT
[#3]
Make V8s (and diesels) great again!!!
California is PISSED about this, almost more then the virus. "the earth will now be ruined thanks to Orange Man and our dreams of a future without personal transportation have suffered a huge setback" |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:19:43 PM EDT
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If he dumps the cafe standards that would help everyone.
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:21:45 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't like safe vehicles, and nobody will change my mind Do you like SAFE guns? |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:21:56 PM EDT
[#6]
I doubt he could make it worse than the obama rules
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:22:37 PM EDT
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Yes make sure you buy a newer car with OnStar so we can remotely disable it if you are doing something the Gov doesn’t approve of. Get rid of your car that doesn’t have GPS tracking and listening equipment if you leave your cell phone at home by accident.
Good on the emissions rollback. But forget getting cars you can’t control. |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:26:26 PM EDT
[#8]
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump·32m 1245076618604875779
My proposal to the politically correct Automobile Companies would lower the average price of a car to consumers by more than $3500, while at the same time making the cars substantially safer. Engines would run smoother. Positive impact on the environment! Foolish executives! |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:26:34 PM EDT
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Does this mean I can remove the Catalytic converters from all of my vehicles with a sawzall, and then pawn them for TP money?
YES!  Thanks Aimless! I'm sure my neighbors won't miss theirs, either. I need to get cracking 
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:26:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you like SAFE guns? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't like safe vehicles, and nobody will change my mind Do you like SAFE guns? Will they run smoother? ....foolish executive... 
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:27:28 PM EDT
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"Old vehicles? I don't like them at all!" "The 8 year assault on your right to drive any vehicle you please is coming to an end." - Orange Man
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:28:51 PM EDT
[#12]
How about one blend of fuel and no ethanol ??????
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:32:35 PM EDT
[#13]
Maybe the "safer vehicles" part means that they can stop making them out of paper mache and tin foil to get the weight down for efficiency requirements.
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:35:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe the "safer vehicles" part means that they can stop making them out of paper mache and tin foil to get the weight down for efficiency requirements. 
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:35:11 PM EDT
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I’m on board with that. I can’t seem to understand the whole idiocy as to want to drive a car from japan or South Korea.
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:35:19 PM EDT
[#16]
Prices don’t go down... ever. Nice thought though.
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:36:03 PM EDT
[#17]
But muh farm subsidies for corn...
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:37:01 PM EDT
[#18]
I'm still driving the same clunker I had when Obama did the same thing.
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:37:41 PM EDT
[#19]
Tire wear and brake wear pollute more than any gas engine since the 80's.
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:38:23 PM EDT
[#20]
As a guy who rode motorcycles for 45 years I consider any car "safe".
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:39:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Uh... huh. Okay, so this happened. |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:40:01 PM EDT
[#22]
if its coming from the government its not going to make anything cheaper
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:40:53 PM EDT
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I like exotic, dangerously fast cars and big trucks that drink fuel. Don't think I'll ever change that mindset.
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:40:54 PM EDT
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Remove some emissions regs, sounds great.
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:41:11 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Make V8s (and diesels) great again!!! California is PISSED about this, almost more then the virus. "the earth will now be ruined thanks to Orange Man and our dreams of a future without personal transportation have suffered a huge setback" California needs to be flushed and exercised like a satanic demon and they are the deep state run by marxist mexicans. |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:42:02 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: if its coming from the government its not going to make anything cheaper It might if what's coming is eased up efficiency requirements |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:43:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about one blend of fuel and no ethanol ?????? |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:44:44 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: if its coming from the government its not going to make anything cheaper Coming from Trump! |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:46:09 PM EDT
[#29]
I feel like I'm the only one with access to google.
This is YUGE, and if you like cars and/or understand the impossible nature of the previous standard, it's fantastic news. This mystical place called the NHTSA |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:49:30 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still driving the same clunker I had when Obama did the same thing. Obama, most assuredly, never rolled back any pollution regulations. |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:54:27 PM EDT
[#31]
Trump could announce Cash for Clunkers 2.0 and half of GD would publically fellate him.
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:55:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Bring in the mid-sized trucks with diesels please.
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:56:17 PM EDT
[#33]
The U.S. Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) today released the final Safer Affordable Fuel-Efficient (SAFE) Vehicles Rule setting corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) and CO2 emissions standards for model years 2021-2026 passenger cars and light trucks.
“This rule reflects the Department’s #1 priority—safety—by making newer, safer, cleaner vehicles more accessible for Americans who are, on average, driving 12-year-old cars. By making newer, safer, and cleaner vehicles more accessible for American families, more lives will be saved and more jobs will be created,” said U.S. Secretary of Transportation Elaine L. Chao. “Today, President Trump is keeping his promise to autoworkers made three years ago that he would reinvigorate American auto manufacturing by updating costly, increasingly unachievable fuel economy and vehicle CO2 emissions standards, and that is what the Safer Affordable Fuel-Efficient Vehicles Rule accomplishes.” “We are delivering on President Trump’s promise to correct the current fuel economy and greenhouse gas emissions standards,” said EPA Administrator Andrew Wheeler. “Our final rule puts in place a sensible one national program that strikes the right regulatory balance that protects our environment, and sets reasonable targets for the auto industry. This rule supports our economy, and the safety of American families.” The final rule will increase stringency of CAFE and CO2 emissions standards by 1.5% each year through model year 2026, as compared with the standards issued in 2012, which would have required about 5% annual increases. This is a change from the proposal issued in 2018. The majority of automakers are not meeting the 2012 standard without resorting to the use of credits. The final rule can be found at: |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:56:23 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If he dumps the cafe standards that would help everyone. Yep....tier none small turbo diesels...no frills just deals...on reliable wheels. |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:57:43 PM EDT
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I have no idea what he is even trying to say...
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:57:43 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump could announce Cash for Clunkers 2.0 and half of GD would publically fellate him. This is the opposite of cash for clunkers. We're not confused by it, or being duped. There's no blind allegiance; quite simply - bad over regulation put in place by the previous administration has been rolled back. To put it in little kid terms.. Cars can haz more horsepowers then they would have, and don't have to shed as much weight (in critical areas/applications). Less hybrids needed to comply. More awesome allowed. |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:57:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: if its coming from the government its not going to make anything cheaper Well somebody is gonna have to be taxed to pay the banksters back their loans for bailouts + their "vig"... |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 4:59:52 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no idea what he is even trying to say... He's referring to this  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 5:07:04 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I doubt he could make it worse than the obama rules So I'm about to upset some people when I say this, but all these trucks with the plastic and aluminum components, along with small displacement Turbo engines, (which is actually not a new technology despite the insistence by some that it is) wasn't brought about because its "pRoGrEsS" or organic consumer demand. It was brought about for the EPA cafe nonsense. That's why you're seeing all the lightweight materials, hybrids, pushing electrics before they're totally mature enough for most consumers, etc. If they are allowed to have vehicles be a little bit less efficient, they are allowed to be heavier. That makes it easier to pass certain crash testing, if you can actually just simply use more material and more metal. You can also use a less efficient engine more geared to performance than fuel economy. The long fabled expiration date of the V8 got pushed back  You might also see "high output" ecoboost engines creep down into lower trims. There's a ton of Ford guys who would have loved a base model truck with the raptor's ecoboost. We might see that now if Ford doesn't HAVE to sell so many 2.7s for EPA reasons. Chevy might scrap theirs all together.  You might see a 2.7L in the Bronco, and the 5.7 Hemi in the jeep gladiator. By rolling back the EPA bullshit, consumers have a chance at getting more things they want. Big win here. |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 5:08:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about one blend of fuel and no ethanol ?????? No ethanol? He told the farmers that he wants gasoline to be 15% ethanol. |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 5:10:31 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you like SAFE guns? |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 5:11:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Can we get rid of the automatic engine off at stoplights?
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Posted: 3/31/2020 5:13:13 PM EDT
[#43]
got two clunkers ready to go
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Posted: 3/31/2020 5:15:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can we get rid of the automatic engine off at stoplights? There's a chance that might become optional. A lot of the bullshit we are putting up with as consumers, is specifically because of the EPA CAFE shit. By turning the dial down even slightly, it gives the manufacturer a lot of options, and consumers more choices. |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 5:15:23 PM EDT
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lol...anti-Trump thread did not go as OP wanted...lol
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Posted: 3/31/2020 5:15:33 PM EDT
[#46]
OST
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Posted: 3/31/2020 5:16:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about one blend of fuel and no ethanol ?????? Why one blend? That sounds communist. I want more blends and more ethanol choices! I want to be able to put fuel in my vehicles like those drink machines that offer 100 unique choices - 87 octane No Ethanol for small engines (lawn mowers, string trimmers, Miatas) - 89 octane 10% ethanol - 93 octane 10% ethanol - 105 octane 10%, 20%, 30% ethanol (forced induction, ethanol choices for charge air cooling and ability to control air:fuel ratios without electronics) - 112 octane oxygenated - E85 (actual 85% ethanol with 15% tier-1 93 octane) - E98 (2% methanol) - E100 with or without Hawaiian Fruit Punch (must show 18+ I.D.) - Methanol and nitromethane mix - Diesel (high cetane with sulfur) |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 5:23:06 PM EDT
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If he really wants to help Americans, he should trash the T2/3/4 diesel emissions bullshit (EGRs, DPFs and DEF), and allow engineers the time to design an actual solution that isn't designed to murder the engines it's placed on instead of the daisy chain clusterfuck of systems we have now.
Even if tailpipe emissions went up, overall emissions would go down, because the daisy chain clusterfuck systems actually burn more fuel. 
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Posted: 3/31/2020 5:26:37 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Make V8s (and diesels) great again!!! California is PISSED about this, almost more then the virus. "the earth will now be ruined thanks to Orange Man and our dreams of a future without personal transportation have suffered a huge setback" |
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Posted: 3/31/2020 5:28:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still driving the same clunker I had when Obama did the same thing. Obama did the exact opposite of what Trump just did. |
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