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Posted: 12/2/2016 11:57:47 AM EDT
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I distinctly remember Trump saying multiple times before the election that this would be the case. This goes back all the way to at least March.
OP is either a liar for suggesting it's 'slowly backing off' of campaign promises, or is stupid enough to believe the lying media. Edit: Here's an article from PBS, in March. http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/blog-post/donald-trump-wants-build-wall-border-mexico-can-he-do-it |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:00:46 PM EDT
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In this thread, we hear from people who have never seen the Rio Grande. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It would be stupid to not use natural barriers when you can. Non-issue created by a biased media but never Trumpers will eat it up.
In this thread, we hear from people who have never seen the Rio Grande. There are mountains! Just like a wall. Totally impassible.
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:02:14 PM EDT
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Just a gentle reminder kind sir, you do not have expertise in the Trump field. Correct, I have not drunk deep yet of the Orange Kool Aid. 
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:04:24 PM EDT
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Correct, I have not drunk deep yet of the Orange Kool Aid. 
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:05:44 PM EDT
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There are mountains! Just like a wall. Totally impassible. My favorite Rio Grande story? Skeeter Skelton is with the Border Patrol. One fine evening he sees a Mexican crossing with some bootleg on a "submerged bridge"- couple of planks in the river so you don't get quite as wet. As the guy gets to the US side Skeeter comes out of the brush and tells him to stop, Border Patrol etc.....Guy goes for a gun in his belt. Skeeter fills him full of holes and he falls in the water. There is an inquest, no gun found on the body.....but since it's now full on dark they decide to come back in the morning and drag the river for a gun..... When they do? They find THREE GUNS!...... THAT is how you secure the border. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:08:48 PM EDT
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Why exactly would we need to build a wall here? http://www.afterhourtechs.com/misc/mexicoborder.jpg What you need there is access so BP can effectively control the area. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:10:16 PM EDT
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Good thing hes not electable
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:13:16 PM EDT
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That's it, I want a recount and be allowed to change my vote to |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:21:28 PM EDT
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There are mountains! Just like a wall. Totally impassible. Don't get me wrong... we probably don't need a border wall along most of the border. But the Rio Grande itself isn't going to do shit to stop anyone. I drove some of the "river road" in big bend a few weeks ago. If they really want to put a dent in illegal immigration, hire more investigators to track down people that overstay their visa. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:23:16 PM EDT
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So if Trump isn't a true conservative, which one was? Rubio? Jeb!?
Cruz may have been a sound conservative, but has other baggage, including the fact he has no executive experience, which is more important than high level government experience of the legislative type. He also likely wouldn't have won states like PA; he would have had to follow a more traditional GOP map to the WH which likely would mean POTUS Elect Clinton at this point. No matter who we elected, we would have disappointments. Trump's cabinet is forming up well in most cases. He's outperformed my expectations so far. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 12:25:30 PM EDT
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There are mountains! Just like a wall. Totally impassible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It would be stupid to not use natural barriers when you can. Non-issue created by a biased media but never Trumpers will eat it up.
In this thread, we hear from people who have never seen the Rio Grande. There are mountains! Just like a wall. Totally impassible. Or we could have Jeb! welcoming them as they come in. That would be so much better. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 2:44:02 PM EDT
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Liberals want High Speed Trains (because Europe has them and they are great beneficiaries of Government Welfare and vehicles of social equality (it sucks for everyone)) Conservatives and right-thinking Americans want a wall. How about an elevated railroad bed from Brownsville to A Whale's Vagina? High Speed Rail AND a wall!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did you actually thing the wall was going to go unbroken from the gulf to the pacific? Liberals want High Speed Trains (because Europe has them and they are great beneficiaries of Government Welfare and vehicles of social equality (it sucks for everyone)) Conservatives and right-thinking Americans want a wall. How about an elevated railroad bed from Brownsville to A Whale's Vagina? High Speed Rail AND a wall!!! i like the way you think! |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 7:47:36 PM EDT
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I live on the border I can see the "vicious river" from my front porch so I went down there today and took a picture to show just how vicious it is:
I am standing in the middle of the freaking Rio Grande! Now if you were to walk down that riverbed about two klicks you would have Mexico on the right bank. US on the left. I don't think Trump is lying about the vicious river I think whoever he is getting his information from however is lying their ass off to him. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 8:50:59 PM EDT
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I don't care what it is that is done, as long as it's something. He could add BP and rename them to "The Wall" for all I care. As long as some effort is made. He could do more by empowering the BP and adding a few then a wall would in a lot of cases. No you don't want that, that is all they have been doing for decades, they add more agents and then say they are doing something about border security to shut people up. The only reason they want agents instead of a wall is that a wall can't be told to stand down, a wall can't be told to only patrol in certain areas, a wall can't be told to look the other way. A wall takes much of our border security out of the hands of the federal government whose track record for the last 4 decades show that it can in no way be trusted. If we had a wall during Obama's presidency he would not have been able to do an nth of the damage to the country he has done with illegal immigration. |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 9:43:33 PM EDT
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Is it too early for the NeverTrumps to start telling us how Trump won't be reelected?
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Posted: 12/2/2016 9:48:14 PM EDT
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It's hilarious. Its part of the continuing freedom boner. The angst and anguish of the left with the icing of the indignant NTs |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 4:53:52 AM EDT
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There are mountains! Just like a wall. Totally impassible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It would be stupid to not use natural barriers when you can. Non-issue created by a biased media but never Trumpers will eat it up.
In this thread, we hear from people who have never seen the Rio Grande. There are mountains! Just like a wall. Totally impassible. He's right, you know. 
Rio Grande's Santa Elena Canyon. 
West of Taos 
Mariscal Canyon (ETA, not Rio Grande) |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 5:11:16 AM EDT
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Trump says his famous wall might not stretch along the whole border because the US is protected by 'mountains and vicious rivers' Donald Trump has said his famous wall might not stretch along the whole US-Mexican border because America is protected by 'mountains and vicious rivers'.
The wall was his stand-out promise on his manifesto in the race to the White House, as he promised to build a 2,000-mile structure funded by Mexico. But since he was unveiled as the 45th President, he has appeared tentative in coming forward with exactly what his grand plan will look like, and now he says the geography of the area would take care of drug traffickers. He is starting to slowly back off his campaign promises, there are no "vicious" rivers down here, you can wade across the Rio Grande when it has water flowing and most areas it is not even knee high, you can walk across when it is dry and it is dry for months at a time. At this rate he will be at the "we will just hire more BP agents" status quo position by the time he takes office. i think any reasonable person capable of rational thought would realize that building a wall along the entire border is such a large task that it is probably impossible from a financial standpoint alone, not to mention logistics. Sure, the chinese did it centuries ago, but how much of that labor was slave labor. I'd be good with walls built over the easy access area, and surveillance over the not so easy access areas. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 5:35:16 AM EDT
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Enforce existing immigration laws.
Cut funding from sanctuary cities. Buckle down on employer citizenship laws. Let border patrol do their jobs. Make schools and employers financially responsible for overstayed visas. No construction required. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 5:47:01 AM EDT
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Somebody needs to tell him that 90 miles of ocean didn't work.
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Posted: 12/3/2016 5:47:44 AM EDT
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He's right, you know. http://static.logbookexplorer.com/photos/6-TrailEnd-large.jpg Rio Grande's Santa Elena Canyon. http://www.bio.sdsu.edu/pub/spiders/Sclero2006/Sclero2006-Images/18.jpg West of Taos https://bigbendbluesky.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/mariscal-hike-13.jpg?w=500&h=331 Mariscal Canyon (ETA, not Rio Grande) 
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Posted: 12/3/2016 5:50:03 AM EDT
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Nope, they're just pointing out when Trump doesn't deliver. Oh wait! That's a cardinal sin against the Mango Messiah. BURN THE HERETIC!  Do you guys by chance know exactly when Trump becomes president? Here is a hint..it's not yesterday, or today...or even tomorrow..... |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 5:51:22 AM EDT
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Enforce existing immigration laws. Cut funding from sanctuary cities. Buckle down on employer citizenship laws. Let border patrol do their jobs. Make schools and employers financially responsible for overstayed visas. No construction required. All those things indeed need to be done (along with cutting off any and all welfare benefits, healthcare, education), but part of Trump's justification for the wall is cutting off the flow of drugs and thugs... who don't really care much about immigration law or being gainfully employed. It's also symbolic; sending a clear message to Mexico and beyond that the U.S. immigration game has changed. Making them pay for it - which he will, indirectly - drives the point all the way home. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 5:59:33 AM EDT
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You mean Mr. Trump lies?
You SIR are insane!! 
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It would be stupid to not use natural barriers when you can. Non-issue created by a biased media but never Trumpers will eat it up. I know I shouldnt enjoy this, but Trump means years worth of morbid entertainment. A couple years more down the road and the Trumpeters (or whatever they call themselves) will be: "I like what Mr. Trump is doing to me... the lube actually feels nice... Now I dont need to get my prostate checked! Thank you MR. Trump! Suck on that NeverTrumpers" 
FerFAL |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:05:07 AM EDT
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Listen, he's totally going to drain the swamp. He's going to stick it to Goldman Sachs! http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/30/come-on-trump-considering-president-of-goldman-sachs-for-budget-chief/  Yes, thats his way of getting rid of all the Wall Street mafia...  ... thats why the MSM "hates" Trump... by giving him most of the air time during the campaign... because thats what the media does when they want to boycot your campaign..??...
Its concerning becuase Trump won thanks to fanatics, and theres no logic with fanatics, they will literally go down their knees for the guy. Its actually pretty dangerous. FerFAL |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:09:00 AM EDT
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So if Trump isn't a true conservative, which one was? Rubio? Jeb!? Cruz may have been a sound conservative, but has other baggage, including the fact he has no executive experience, which is more important than high level government experience of the legislative type. He also likely wouldn't have won states like PA; he would have had to follow a more traditional GOP map to the WH which likely would mean POTUS Elect Clinton at this point. No matter who we elected, we would have disappointments. Trump's cabinet is forming up well in most cases. He's outperformed my expectations so far. Really? 
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:11:00 AM EDT
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No you don't want that, that is all they have been doing for decades, they add more agents and then say they are doing something about border security to shut people up. The only reason they want agents instead of a wall is that a wall can't be told to stand down, a wall can't be told to only patrol in certain areas, a wall can't be told to look the other way. A wall takes much of our border security out of the hands of the federal government whose track record for the last 4 decades show that it can in no way be trusted. If we had a wall during Obama's presidency he would not have been able to do an nth of the damage to the country he has done with illegal immigration. Exactly! |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:12:45 AM EDT
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He's right, you know. http://static.logbookexplorer.com/photos/6-TrailEnd-large.jpg Rio Grande's Santa Elena Canyon. http://www.bio.sdsu.edu/pub/spiders/Sclero2006/Sclero2006-Images/18.jpg West of Taos https://bigbendbluesky.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/mariscal-hike-13.jpg?w=500&h=331 Mariscal Canyon (ETA, not Rio Grande) Yeah, because no man could climb that!
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:16:11 AM EDT
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You mean Mr. Trump lies? You SIR are insane!!
I know I shouldnt enjoy this, but Trump means years worth of morbid entertainment. A couple years more down the road and the Trumpeters (or whatever they call themselves) will be: "I like what Mr. Trump is doing to me... the lube actually feels nice... Now I dont need to get my prostate checked! Thank you MR. Trump! Suck on that NeverTrumpers"
FerFAL I can't wait to hear their excuses when he proposes a new amnesty that is exactly like the gang of 8. It's gonna be funny as hell. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:16:37 AM EDT
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In this thread, we watch NeverTrumps argue simultaneously that the wall wouldn't work, and Trump is lying about building a wall which is bad because the Mexicans can swim/climb through the unwalled portions.
This is like some bizarre Who's Line is it Anyway episode. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:17:11 AM EDT
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I can't wait to hear their excuses when he proposes a new amnesty that is exactly like the gang of 8. It's gonna be funny as hell. Maybe you could try not being such a pessimistic, negative, nancy boy. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:17:48 AM EDT
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Maybe you could try not being such a pessimistic, negative, nancy boy. There's no way for him to be optimistic because he already lost. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:18:09 AM EDT
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In this thread, we watch NeverTrumps argue simultaneously that the wall wouldn't work, and Trump is lying about building a wall which is bad because the Mexicans can swim/climb through the unwalled portions. This is like some bizarre Who's Line is it Anyway episode. Also, the Nevertrumpers think Trump is stupid for not building fences around cliffs. You can't make this shit up!!
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:18:47 AM EDT
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There's no way for him to be optimistic because he already lost. Well then there's the fact that he is broken. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:21:55 AM EDT
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Also, the Nevertrumpers think Trump is stupid for not building fences around cliffs. You can't make this shit up!! They're arguing both sides simultaneously. It's amazing. Give it a couple weeks, the "Trump stands no shot of getting the 2020 RNC nomination." |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:22:32 AM EDT
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Yeah, because no man could climb that! Of course they could, with enough time and effort. A lot more time and effort than it would take to scale a 20' wall. There's really no such thing as a (practical) impenetrable barrier. Even the most tightly-controlled borders (E/W Germany, N/S Korea, etc.) are breached occasionally. But all the neener-neener-I-told-you-so stuff about the Wall not being a contiguous, homogeneous stretch of concrete and steel is horseshit. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:24:32 AM EDT
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Of course they could, with enough time and effort. A lot more time and effort than it would take to scale a 20' wall. There's really no such thing as a (practical) impenetrable barrier. Even the most tightly-controlled borders (E/W Germany, N/S Korea, etc.) are breached occasionally. But all the neener-neener-I-told-you-so stuff about the Wall not being a contiguous, homogeneous stretch of concrete and steel is horseshit. Moving goal posts. They are so desperate for the "I TOLD YOU SO!" that they were deprived on November 8'th. You know they were pissed when the results came in 
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:26:18 AM EDT
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Moving goal posts. They are so desperate for the "I TOLD YOU SO!" that they were deprived on November 8'th. You know they were pissed when the results came in Criticizing Trump for not putting a 20 foot fence around 100 to 200 foot cliffs!!! That is so fucking ridiculous that I can't stop fucking laughing.
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:26:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:27:16 AM EDT
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Summary of your logic as best as I can tell: Wanting to elevate ARfcom to talking about issues instead of mudslinging = holier than thou Mudslinging = troll Wanting Trump to adhere to the Constitution = concerned nevertrumper Wanting Trump to be right on the issues and not need to be attacked = wanting him to be attacked more on the issues Not engaging in mudslinging because there hasn't been many policies proposed yet = I must be being sarcastic about "refraining from judging too harshly because he's not even president yet" I guess I was hoping you had me on your ignore list. Don't you want to make America great again? |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:45:18 AM EDT
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Looks like a weak natural barrier to me. I could jump across that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why exactly would we need to build a wall here? http://www.afterhourtechs.com/misc/mexicoborder.jpg Looks like a weak natural barrier to me. I could jump across that. You can just wade across, apparently. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:47:51 AM EDT
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To be clear, arguments can only come from your personal approved sources? You don't think that after the blatant bias and collusion that we've seen clear evidence of source checking is more important than ever? |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:47:59 AM EDT
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Criticizing Trump for not putting a 20 foot fence around 100 to 200 foot cliffs!!! That is so fucking ridiculous that I can't stop fucking laughing. Trump should tear down the 200 foot cliffs and build a 20 foot wall. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:53:04 AM EDT
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I think if you look at a map of the entire US/Mexico border, it's not all in Texas. The Colorado river would also be a natural barrier in places, as well as some of the terrain in CA, and AZ.
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I live on the border I can see the "vicious river" from my front porch so I went down there today and took a picture to show just how vicious it is: http://imgur.com/a/ghFsH I am standing in the middle of the freaking Rio Grande! Now if you were to walk down that riverbed about two klicks you would have Mexico on the right bank. US on the left. I don't think Trump is lying about the vicious river I think whoever he is getting his information from however is lying their ass off to him. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:56:14 AM EDT
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In this thread, we watch NeverTrumps argue simultaneously that the wall wouldn't work, and Trump is lying about building a wall which is bad because the Mexicans can swim/climb through the unwalled portions. This is like some bizarre Who's Line is it Anyway episode. What? Where? |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 6:57:24 AM EDT
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Maybe you could try not being such a pessimistic, negative, nancy boy. Just watch. He never planned on deporting all illegals. Mark my words. He has already said so. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 7:00:24 AM EDT
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Well then there's the fact that he is broken. I am a republican, my party won. My party's leader is way less than conservative and I will bitch when he acts like a liberal or goes back on his campaign promises. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 7:12:59 AM EDT
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I am a republican, my party won. My party's leader is way less than conservative and I will bitch when he acts like a liberal or goes back on his campaign promises. To be fair, I've seen some posts of yours since the election where you've given Trump credit for those actions of his you agree with. Props for trying to play fair. If Trump suddenly goes all liberal, it won't be only his detractors that are disappointed. Hell, I'll haul the tar and feathers to D.C. myself. Don't think it's gonna happen, though. |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 7:17:47 AM EDT
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I can't wait to hear their excuses when he proposes a new amnesty that is exactly like the gang of 8. It's gonna be funny as hell. Way ahead of you: "Ha! Now those dirty immigrants HAVE to stay here, do the jobs we dont want and keep our economy growing! Suck on THAT NeverTrumpers"! MAGA! 
Thats a Trump zealot logic right there. FerFAL |
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Posted: 12/3/2016 7:18:45 AM EDT
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MORE WINNING PLEASE™!!!!!!1!!!!1 |
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