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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:39:32 AM EST
[#1]
The exchange rate is crazy right now, that’s the main reason why everything is gotten so ridiculously cheap from Turkey
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:40:52 AM EST
[#2]
Gobble Gobble
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:43:35 AM EST
[#3]
Very Happy with my CZ Bobwhite G2. What a fantastic shotgun.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:44:01 AM EST
[#4]
Centerfire rifles and HK clones seem fine. The pistols are hit and miss. Shotguns are pure garbage. The ammo seems fine - sometimes stinky.
Turkish Lira is down 90% in the last 10 years. 70% in the last two. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:44:13 AM EST
[#5]
I need a MP5SD.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:46:52 AM EST
[#6]
 Turkey, yes... $1,000, no... (Z5P) |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:46:54 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Centerfire rifles and HK clones seem fine. The pistols are hit and miss. Shotguns are pure garbage. The ammo seems fine - sometimes stinky. Turkish Lira is down 90% in the last 10 years. 70% in the last two. I disagree with that. I picked up a 870 clone to try and it ended up being better than anything Remington put out since 2005 or so. I liked it so much that I bought five - they were only $79 each. Complete parts compatibility except for the ejector bar. Everything else is identical. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:49:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Centerfire rifles and HK clones seem fine. The pistols are hit and miss. Shotguns are pure garbage. The ammo seems fine - sometimes stinky. Turkish Lira is down 90% in the last 10 years. 70% in the last two. Some of their shotguns are garbage, some are excellent. Kinda like CSMC makes great shotguns and the USA also produces hi points. Yildiz, CZ, ATA all seem to be pretty well regarded. Hatsan, not so much. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:52:40 AM EST
[#9]
Turkey listens to Gun buyer.
Turkey … “You want another HK clone? We got ya.” HK “No soup for you!” |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:59:43 AM EST
[#10]
I really want an MP5/10 .... clone or otherwise. 10mm PCC is my next get one way or another.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:00:55 AM EST
[#11]
I really wish the Benelli M4 clones were better.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:01:46 AM EST
[#12]
In before hate for Turkish made.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:02:43 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/3561/20210605_205753-1968492.jpg Turkey, yes... $1,000, no... (Z5P) That’s the one I need in my life |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:02:56 AM EST
[#14]
I liked the caniks I shot....I think my cz shotgun is from turkey and it's never let me down
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:03:05 AM EST
[#15]
The Girsan hi-power clones are really nice.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:03:18 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Turkey listens to Gun buyer. Turkey … “You want another HK clone? We got ya.” HK “No soup for you!” They need to build some MP7 pistols |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:03:59 AM EST
[#17]
40 percent of the guns I transfer now are Turkish.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:04:18 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Very Happy with my CZ Bobwhite G2. What a fantastic shotgun. I have a gen 1 bobwhite in 20. Well made, well balanced, great triggers. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:05:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really want an MP5/10 .... clone or otherwise. 10mm PCC is my next get one way or another. Build one. RCM makes the parts you need. Mags will be a pain though. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:05:41 AM EST
[#20]
Cheap copies, yuck.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:05:59 AM EST
[#21]
I will readily admit I am jaded. My only experience with anything Turkish was a CZ712 about 20 years ago, and it was the biggest piece of shit I have ever touched. I should revisit the entire idea....that Girsan Hi-Power with the rail does look nice.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:07:19 AM EST
[#22]
Remember the Fake Coup in Turkey, where they rounded up the opposition party?
I remember watching that on live TV. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:09:33 AM EST
[#23]
So what are the details on the sub $1000 turkish mp5 that's worth getting? brand, model etc. I haven't kept up.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:11:08 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cheap copies, yuck. Inexpensive copies. There is a difference. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:11:44 AM EST
[#25]
2 CZ o/u shotguns here.
Great shooters with no issues for all the years they've been shot at doves, ducks, and geese. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:12:05 AM EST
[#26]
Just picked up my new Girsan MC P35 OPS yesterday. It's the tits!
 I collect Hi-Powers and have them in many flavors. This pistol has better fit and finish than any of the other clones I own, and includes features that rival some of my expensive custom pistols. For less than $650 shipped, it's a steal. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:13:11 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The exchange rate is crazy right now, that's the main reason why everything is gotten so ridiculously cheap from Turkey It's funny how last year when the euro dropped 20% against the dollar, the price of HK guns didn't budge a penny 
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:13:21 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Turkey listens to Gun buyer. Turkey "You want another HK clone? We got ya." HK "No soup for you!" 
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:13:26 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember the Fake Coup in Turkey, where they rounded up the opposition party? I remember watching that on live TV. The token “attack” by a fighter jet was the icing on the cake. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:15:30 AM EST
[#30]
When are we going to see the G3's? I thought MKE was going to start doing them?
HK “No soup for you!” True, but when it comes to the 91 and 93, I don't think HK has the tooling anymore. The SP5 is probably here because the MP5 tooling was still there and sales were probably shit, so someone got a bright idea. HK Germany is the problem, HK USA is gtg. I wouldn't be surprised if SIG tried to buy HK at some point, HK-Germany isn't doing well financially. I'm not saying it will happen, I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised. They had some reason they couldn't sell the MP7, I don't know if it holds water though. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:16:31 AM EST
[#31]
Link to Turk MP-5 at $1k?
A 9mm carbine that actually has soft recoil would be super cool for women, or the gender confused, or children to shoot, or as an alternative to the 10/22 for plinking. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:17:08 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a gen 1 bobwhite in 20. Well made, well balanced, great triggers. Mine is also 20ga. I love the fit and finish and handling. It shoots where I think, once I learned sxs. As for durability, I'm at the point of confidence that my grandchildren will be killing birds with this gun. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:18:37 AM EST
[#33]
Turkey has right around 250 firearm manufacturers. Some of the guns they make are really nice. The SDS copy of the 870 is virtually identical to an 870. You can buy 4 of them for the price of an 870.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:18:51 AM EST
[#34]
I’d like to try this Turqua from ATA. Adjustable comb is very appealing for fit along with spacers for LOP. $769 locally. I think I’ll wait until the prices come down and mags are available.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:21:01 AM EST
[#35]
I have several guns made by either Huglu or CZ(which is also Huglu from what I can tell)
just bought a CZ Field Supreme 28gauge over/under for Christmas. Ridiculously good looking and handling gun for about 1500. I'm holding a CZ Redhead field grade 28 right now that I'll sell cause the new one is way better. My dad has a friend named Mark DeHaan who was importing Huglu and other shotguns from Turkey under his brand name, DeHaan. They are amazingly good shotguns for the money. As Turkish gun makers have adopted CNC, their quality capability has gone way up, and they are using US and European designers. Great guns |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:21:24 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Inexpensive copies. There is a difference. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cheap copies, yuck. Inexpensive copies. There is a difference. If you’re a capitalist, you will understand that there are no bargains in this world. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:21:25 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Link to Turk MP-5 at $1k? A 9mm carbine that actually has soft recoil would be super cool for women, or the gender confused, or children to shoot, or as an alternative to the 10/22 for plinking. PSA has them on sale off and on for $900-1000. I think $900 was a Black Friday thing. Atlantic Firearms has them at about the same price. They’re branded Century and made by MKE. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:23:21 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Centerfire rifles and HK clones seem fine. The pistols are hit and miss. Shotguns are pure garbage. The ammo seems fine - sometimes stinky. Turkish Lira is down 90% in the last 10 years. 70% in the last two. absolutely false. some of the shotguns may be garbage, but there's some very very good ones for the money. CZ, Huglu, I've even seen some decent TriStar autos recently |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:24:11 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree with that. I picked up a 870 clone to try and it ended up being better than anything Remington put out since 2005 or so. I liked it so much that I bought five - they were only $79 each. Complete parts compatibility except for the ejector bar. Everything else is identical. As would I. My Hatsan semi auto Escort has been flawless. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:29:30 AM EST
[#40]
Labor is still cheap in Turkey.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:31:02 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have several guns made by either Huglu or CZ(which is also Huglu from what I can tell) just bought a CZ Field Supreme 28gauge over/under for Christmas. Ridiculously good looking and handling gun for about 1500. I'm holding a CZ Redhead field grade 28 right now that I'll sell cause the new one is way better. My dad has a friend named Mark DeHaan who was importing Huglu and other shotguns from Turkey under his brand name, DeHaan. They are amazingly good shotguns for the money. As Turkish gun makers have adopted CNC, their quality capability has gone way up, and they are using US and European designers. Great guns CZ also has engineers resident at huglu in recent years. Something DeHaan didn't have the resources to do. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:34:07 AM EST
[#42]
GD in Holosun Threads: Who cares if Holosun is 2-3 generations more advanced than Trijicon or Aimpoint, their optics are about as reliable, much cheaper, and have features you can't get from a Western company? They're enemies of America.
GD in Turkish Gun Threads: Who cares if they're enemies of America? They make copies of guns that are almost the same as what we already have, but they're cheaper. 
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:36:18 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The exchange rate is crazy right now, that’s the main reason why everything is gotten so ridiculously cheap from Turkey This. And low cost of labor there. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:37:30 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Girsan hi-power clones are really nice. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:38:26 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gobble Gobble I prefer Ham |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:39:23 AM EST
[#46]
Where do I find the $70 shotty?
Also a mp10 sounds like a good idea. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:40:35 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD in Holosun Threads: Who cares if Holosun is 2-3 generations more advanced than Trijicon or Aimpoint, their optics are about as reliable, much cheaper, and have features you can't get from a Western company? They're enemies of America. GD in Turkish Gun Threads: Who cares if they're enemies of America? They make copies of guns that are almost the same as what we already have, but they're cheaper. Quote HistoryQuoted: GD in Holosun Threads: Who cares if Holosun is 2-3 generations more advanced than Trijicon or Aimpoint, their optics are about as reliable, much cheaper, and have features you can't get from a Western company? They're enemies of America. GD in Turkish Gun Threads: Who cares if they're enemies of America? They make copies of guns that are almost the same as what we already have, but they're cheaper. I would happily buy American made 870s instead. I do buy older used Wingmasters and other decent examples of well made 870s of any type. Modern Remington shotguns - from the past couple of decades - are frankly awful. Poor fit and finish. Functionality issues. Rusting problems while still brand new. I'm ashamed that they're so poorly made that many budget imports from Turkey are better in every way - but that's the reality of the situation. Quoted: Where do I find the $70 shotty? Also a mp10 sounds like a good idea. $79 but they were on sale since he got a deal. I bought them locally but I've seen them all over the place online usually for $100 plus or minus $20. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:44:26 AM EST
[#48]
Where did you learn your geography? Being an Ohioan, and having been all over Turkey, they aren’t remotely comparable in size!
And Istanbul, alone, far outpaces Ohio’s population. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:45:38 AM EST
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I'm really happy with my 1911 "Tanker/Commander" and I hear that they do a pretty good clone of a Beretta "Cheetah" too (It's on my "To Buy" list).
  Tisas Fatih 13 (Beretta 83/84 Cheetah Clone) review |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 10:46:24 AM EST
[#50]
Now if they'd just start importing the HK33K clone and maybe a G3K clone since PTR isn't making them any more.
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