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Posted: 12/22/2022 11:47:05 AM EDT
[#1]
Cheaply made copies aren’t “disruptive”, they just broaden options for people in that price range, and may pull in some people who were right above that price range.
Disruptive is so overused. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 11:48:47 AM EDT
[#2]
It's not Turkey anymore, it's Türkiye
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Posted: 12/22/2022 11:48:59 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Girsan hi-power clones are really nice. Any word on how the aluminum frames are holding up? |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 11:49:18 AM EDT
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I own several Canik models. Excellent pistols. I know of No other company that pivots as quickly to customer requests/demands.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 11:50:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: PSA has them on sale off and on for $900-1000. I think $900 was a Black Friday thing. Atlantic Firearms has them at about the same price. They’re branded Century and made by MKE. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Link to Turk MP-5 at $1k? A 9mm carbine that actually has soft recoil would be super cool for women, or the gender confused, or children to shoot, or as an alternative to the 10/22 for plinking. PSA has them on sale off and on for $900-1000. I think $900 was a Black Friday thing. Atlantic Firearms has them at about the same price. They’re branded Century and made by MKE. I want 556 and 300blk MKE guns |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 11:50:47 AM EDT
[#6]
My buddy says:
"The GOPe should propose a new updated version of the 1968 GCA. One that bans the importation of guns from Turkey, as "unsporting" to protect the staunch 2A supporting legacy American gun manufacturers in blue states, like Colt and S&W. How can red blooded American gun companies build better and cheaper guns, with all those cheap junk guns flooding the market? They can also "reach across the aisle" to "work with" the DNC to include a few "common sense" laws, like red flag, UBCs and a ban on a national constitutional carry law. Staunch conservative Bob Dole's spirit of cooperation should be remembered.  "
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Posted: 12/22/2022 11:52:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would happily buy American made 870s instead. I do buy older used Wingmasters and other decent examples of well made 870s of any type. Modern Remington shotguns - from the past couple of decades - are frankly awful. Poor fit and finish. Functionality issues. Rusting problems while still brand new. I'm ashamed that they're so poorly made that many budget imports from Turkey are better in every way - but that's the reality of the situation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GD in Holosun Threads: Who cares if Holosun is 2-3 generations more advanced than Trijicon or Aimpoint, their optics are about as reliable, much cheaper, and have features you can't get from a Western company? They're enemies of America. GD in Turkish Gun Threads: Who cares if they're enemies of America? They make copies of guns that are almost the same as what we already have, but they're cheaper.  I would happily buy American made 870s instead. I do buy older used Wingmasters and other decent examples of well made 870s of any type. Modern Remington shotguns - from the past couple of decades - are frankly awful. Poor fit and finish. Functionality issues. Rusting problems while still brand new. I'm ashamed that they're so poorly made that many budget imports from Turkey are better in every way - but that's the reality of the situation. Remington quality was terrible, but it really was improving pre-bankruptcy. This was especially evident on the Marlins. I've only seen a couple post-pankruptcy Remingtons, and nothing really stood out to me. Also, for the sake of this conversation, Mossberg and Benelli are options that still exist on the market. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 11:52:53 AM EDT
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In the last 3 months I have bought 4 Turkish pistols... 3 Tisas 1911s and 1 Girsan hi-power. Won’t be the last.????
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Posted: 12/22/2022 11:56:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did you learn your geography? Being an Ohioan, and having been all over Turkey, they aren’t remotely comparable in size! And Istanbul, alone, far outpaces Ohio’s population. Pretty sure Turkey is larger than Texas |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 11:58:21 AM EDT
[#10]
Just ordered an AP5. If it's as awesome as everyone here says, I am tempted to go on a hipower.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 11:59:16 AM EDT
[#11]
Their Hatsan shotguns may not be Benellis but damn if they dont work pretty well in general for 300 buks NIB.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 11:59:48 AM EDT
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For the eleventy-thousandth time: My Tisas 1911 was a jam-o-matic piece of shit. I'm quite sure right now that Tisas must be associated with Century Arms. "The defect goes in before the name goes on."
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:00:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/3561/20210605_205753-1968492.jpg Turkey, yes... $1,000, no... (Z5P) The Century branded ones are MKE just the same as Zenith, correct? |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:01:12 PM EDT
[#14]
More info on the MP5 clone?
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:04:30 PM EDT
[#15]
dont worry
biden will ban gun imports from turkey for reasons, just like china |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:06:47 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have several guns made by either Huglu or CZ(which is also Huglu from what I can tell) just bought a CZ Field Supreme 28gauge over/under for Christmas. Ridiculously good looking and handling gun for about 1500. I'm holding a CZ Redhead field grade 28 right now that I'll sell cause the new one is way better. My dad has a friend named Mark DeHaan who was importing Huglu and other shotguns from Turkey under his brand name, DeHaan. They are amazingly good shotguns for the money. As Turkish gun makers have adopted CNC, their quality capability has gone way up, and they are using US and European designers. Great guns Yes, DeHaans are great values from everything I’ve heard. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:06:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Centerfire rifles and HK clones seem fine. The pistols are hit and miss. Shotguns are pure garbage. The ammo seems fine - sometimes stinky. Turkish Lira is down 90% in the last 10 years. 70% in the last two. I have 2 12 gauge Hatsan Escort MPA's that have both ran perfectly fine. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:07:11 PM EDT
[#18]
Yet they still can't build a shotgun.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:07:48 PM EDT
[#19]
I really want a Tisas Stingray.
Haven't bought a gun in over a year. That's about to change. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:07:51 PM EDT
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I prefer to buy American whenever possible.
I willingly pay more to support American industry. Having said that - America has never produced an SKS. How about a Turkish SKS, that takes AK mags and comes with a factory folding stock. Make it about $150, or so, and you have the perfect truck gun. 
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:08:38 PM EDT
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Turkish firearms industry is a hundred years old. They know what they're doing. The Turks will build to any price point an importer wants.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:08:59 PM EDT
[#22]
C'mon Turkey, do a broom handle Mauser Red 9.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:09:51 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Turkish firearms industry is a hundred years old. They know what they're doing. The Turks will build to any price point an importer wants. So is the Afghanistan cave firearms industry. 'Nuff Said. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:10:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just picked up my new Girsan MC P35 OPS yesterday. It's the tits! https://eaacorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/MCP35-Ops-Left.png I collect Hi-Powers and have them in many flavors. This pistol has better fit and finish than any of the other clones I own, and includes features that rival some of my expensive custom pistols. For less than $650 shipped, it's a steal. Want! 
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:11:45 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So is the Afghanistan cave firearms industry. 'Nuff Said. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Turkish firearms industry is a hundred years old. They know what they're doing. The Turks will build to any price point an importer wants. So is the Afghanistan cave firearms industry. 'Nuff Said. Apples and oranges. I say that having test fired a few Khyber Pass AK type rifles. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:12:49 PM EDT
[#26]
I picked up a Weatherby PA-08 (youth 20ga) several years ago. It's made in Turkey, and is leaps and bounds better quality than a Remington and was a bit cheaper. I'm sure some shit guns come out of Turkey, but there are shit guns produced in America too.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:12:54 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer to buy American whenever possible. I willingly pay more to support American industry. Having said that - America has never produced an SKS. How about a Turkish SKS, that takes AK mags and comes with a factory folding stock. Make it about $150, or so, and you have the perfect truck gun. Sub $200 SKSs puts a little wiggle in my dinger. I paid $89 bucks for my first one....BNIB back in the 90s. I miss those days. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:13:23 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember the Fake Coup in Turkey, where they rounded up the opposition party? I remember watching that on live TV. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:13:53 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Remington quality was terrible, but it really was improving pre-bankruptcy. This was especially evident on the Marlins. I've only seen a couple post-pankruptcy Remingtons, and nothing really stood out to me. Also, for the sake of this conversation, Mossberg and Benelli are options that still exist on the market. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: GD in Holosun Threads: Who cares if Holosun is 2-3 generations more advanced than Trijicon or Aimpoint, their optics are about as reliable, much cheaper, and have features you can't get from a Western company? They're enemies of America. GD in Turkish Gun Threads: Who cares if they're enemies of America? They make copies of guns that are almost the same as what we already have, but they're cheaper. I would happily buy American made 870s instead. I do buy older used Wingmasters and other decent examples of well made 870s of any type. Modern Remington shotguns - from the past couple of decades - are frankly awful. Poor fit and finish. Functionality issues. Rusting problems while still brand new. I'm ashamed that they're so poorly made that many budget imports from Turkey are better in every way - but that's the reality of the situation. Remington quality was terrible, but it really was improving pre-bankruptcy. This was especially evident on the Marlins. I've only seen a couple post-pankruptcy Remingtons, and nothing really stood out to me. Also, for the sake of this conversation, Mossberg and Benelli are options that still exist on the market. Absolutely true - I personally just prefer the 870. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:14:23 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what are the details on the sub $1000 turkish mp5 that's worth getting? brand, model etc. I haven't kept up. OFFICIAL-ARFCOM-MKE-AP5-Thread-Do-YOU-need-one-Now-with-moar-pole |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:14:27 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did you learn your geography? Being an Ohioan, and having been all over Turkey, they aren’t remotely comparable in size! And Istanbul, alone, far outpaces Ohio’s population. It's a little bigger than Texas |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:14:38 PM EDT
[#32]
The 1911s I've handled were well fit and finished.
Has anyone done a spectral analysis or Rc test on these guns. I'd appreciate a link, if anybody has one. I would def buy a 1911 or two, and a P35 if the metalurgy checks out. Khyber Pass gunsmiths can make some very nice LOOKING guns but they're soft (generally). The best fit and most handsome gun is all for naught if the steel isn't right. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:16:53 PM EDT
[#33]
Some guns run well with no QC or attention to detail. Some don’t. Turkey should stick to falafels.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:17:03 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Century branded ones are MKE just the same as Zenith, correct? Correct. Made by MKE. Previously imported by Zenith, now imported by Century. . ETA: I bought one, as a result of reading the Official Arfcom MKE AP5 thread. I've only put a thousand rounds through it, and haven't fought any battles on Chicago's West Side, but it's been perfectly flawless. It's incredibly fun to shoot. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:17:21 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cheaply made copies aren’t “disruptive”, they just broaden options for people in that price range, and may pull in some people who were right above that price range. Disruptive is so overused. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:18:26 PM EDT
[#36]
All I know is that their shotguns have flooded the market and all of them are garbage.
Otherwise, Id be ok with a Mp5 cloneski. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:19:24 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did you learn your geography? Being an Ohioan, and having been all over Turkey, they aren’t remotely comparable in size! And Istanbul, alone, far outpaces Ohio’s population. 7x as big. Close enough for GD
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:21:51 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My buddy says: "The GOPe should propose a new updated version of the 1968 GCA. One that bans the importation of guns from Turkey, as "unsporting" to protect the staunch 2A supporting legacy American gun manufacturers in blue states, like Colt and S&W. How can red blooded American gun companies build better and cheaper guns, with all those cheap junk guns flooding the market? They can also "reach across the aisle" to "work with" the DNC to include a few "common sense" laws, like red flag, UBCs and a ban on a national constitutional carry law. Staunch conservative Bob Dole's spirit of cooperation should be remembered. "You need better/smarter buddies. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:21:58 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All I know is that their shotguns have flooded the market and all of them are garbage. We were at the range one day, and this guy drives up, gets out, and asks us if he can look around. The puzzled looks on our faces made him elaborate, "I just bought this Turkish shotgun this morning, and it came apart the first time I fired it. I think I'm missing a piece." You guys can bask in your pride of ownership over your Turkish piece of garbage "firearm". In my mind, China can finally hold its head high that it's not the lowest tier gun industry anymore. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:26:24 PM EDT
[#40]
Linky please?
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just picked up my new Girsan MC P35 OPS yesterday. It's the tits! https://eaacorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/MCP35-Ops-Left.png I collect Hi-Powers and have them in many flavors. This pistol has better fit and finish than any of the other clones I own, and includes features that rival some of my expensive custom pistols. For less than $650 shipped, it's a steal. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:28:14 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cheaply made copies aren’t “disruptive”, they just broaden options for people in that price range, and may pull in some people who were right above that price range. Disruptive is so overused. Aren’t you in the industry in some way? Arfcom is mostly upper middle class hobbyists. Arfcom doesn’t represent the majority of gun buyers in the US, for whom cost is a major factor. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:29:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cheaply made copies aren’t “disruptive”, they just broaden options for people in that price range, and may pull in some people who were right above that price range. Disruptive is so overused. How many have you handled or shot? Another poster condemns the entire country's gun manufacturing on a sample of one.  ALL manufacturers have lemons slip by QC. Some more than others. The several I've handled were very good examples of the model (judging as a toolmaker/gunsmith/shooter) They certainly weren't "cheaply made" The general opinion in gun circles is positive after test firing. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:31:36 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We were at the range one day, and this guy drives up, gets out, and asks us if he can look around. The puzzled looks on our faces made him elaborate, "I just bought this Turkish shotgun this morning, and it came apart the first time I fired it. I think I'm missing a piece." You guys can bask in your pride of ownership over your Turkish piece of garbage "firearm". In my mind, China can finally hold its head high that it's not the lowest tier gun industry anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All I know is that their shotguns have flooded the market and all of them are garbage. We were at the range one day, and this guy drives up, gets out, and asks us if he can look around. The puzzled looks on our faces made him elaborate, "I just bought this Turkish shotgun this morning, and it came apart the first time I fired it. I think I'm missing a piece." You guys can bask in your pride of ownership over your Turkish piece of garbage "firearm". In my mind, China can finally hold its head high that it's not the lowest tier gun industry anymore. I processed 2000 AKs that Israel disposed of from PLO captured ordnance. I managed to test fire one example of AK from EVERY country that ever produced one. The best were East German milled VERY CLOSELY folliwed by stamped late Chinese type 56. The Chinese build a decent AK. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:31:37 PM EDT
[#44]
I bought a sar9 for under 2 bills. It's an HK knockoff. It is my favorite to shoot. Problem as always is finding accessories. It is super accurate.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:31:58 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many have you handled or shot? Another poster condemns the entire country's gun manufacturing on a sample of one. ALL manufacturers have lemons slip by QC. Some more than others. The several I've handled were very good examples of the model (judging as a toolmaker/gunsmith/shooter) They certainly weren't "cheaply made" The general opinion in gun circles is positive after test firing. I’ve handled several and shot 2 at the range. Neither gun malfunctioned while I shot it. A lack of quality control doesn’t equate to every gun failing to cycle. And $1,000 is a LOT of money for a gun with poor QC. That’s cheap next to my SP5, but not cheap compared to a cheap AR-15, which don’t have the issues cheap MP5s have. If money is a concern, stop buying expensive shitty guns. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:34:07 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I processed 2000 AKs that Israel disposed of from PLO ecaptured ordnance. I managed to test fire one example of AK from EVERY country that ever produced one. The best were East German milled VERY CLOSELY folliwed by stamped late Chinese type 56. The Chinese build a decent AK. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: All I know is that their shotguns have flooded the market and all of them are garbage. We were at the range one day, and this guy drives up, gets out, and asks us if he can look around. The puzzled looks on our faces made him elaborate, "I just bought this Turkish shotgun this morning, and it came apart the first time I fired it. I think I'm missing a piece." You guys can bask in your pride of ownership over your Turkish piece of garbage "firearm". In my mind, China can finally hold its head high that it's not the lowest tier gun industry anymore. I processed 2000 AKs that Israel disposed of from PLO ecaptured ordnance. I managed to test fire one example of AK from EVERY country that ever produced one. The best were East German milled VERY CLOSELY folliwed by stamped late Chinese type 56. The Chinese build a decent AK. I have had decent Chinese AK's, but I've also owned ones with rampant QC issues. So I'll give you some points here, but still, the inconsistency was mind-blowing. I literally think PSA's spiker clone is probably 1000% higher quality than any Chicom one, and I've had issues with PSA's QC in the past as well. To be fair, an AR lower I got from PSA a few months ago was leaps and bounds better than the ones I got in 2019. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:34:07 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We were at the range one day, and this guy drives up, gets out, and asks us if he can look around. The puzzled looks on our faces made him elaborate, "I just bought this Turkish shotgun this morning, and it came apart the first time I fired it. I think I'm missing a piece." You guys can bask in your pride of ownership over your Turkish piece of garbage "firearm". In my mind, China can finally hold its head high that it's not the lowest tier gun industry anymore. You are aware that Belgium, Italy, Spain, Germany, were considered garbage tier, once upon a time, with Italy not being that long ago. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:34:19 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/3561/20210605_205753-1968492.jpg Turkey, yes... $1,000, no... (Z5P) I thought those were made in USA? |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:34:34 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD in Holosun Threads: Who cares if Holosun is 2-3 generations more advanced than Trijicon or Aimpoint, their optics are about as reliable, much cheaper, and have features you can't get from a Western company? They're enemies of America. GD in Turkish Gun Threads: Who cares if they're enemies of America? They make copies of guns that are almost the same as what we already have, but they're cheaper. In global affairs there’s a big difference between asshole and enemy. Turkey, China and Germany are all assholes. Yet we trade with all of them. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:34:55 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are aware that Belgium, Italy, Spain, Germany, were considered garbage tier, once upon a time, with Italy not being that long ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We were at the range one day, and this guy drives up, gets out, and asks us if he can look around. The puzzled looks on our faces made him elaborate, "I just bought this Turkish shotgun this morning, and it came apart the first time I fired it. I think I'm missing a piece." You guys can bask in your pride of ownership over your Turkish piece of garbage "firearm". In my mind, China can finally hold its head high that it's not the lowest tier gun industry anymore. You are aware that Belgium, Italy, Spain, Germany, were considered garbage tier, once upon a time, with Italy not being that long ago. Yeah, when they were producing garbage-tier guns. |
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