I’ve watched someone run the table with a Winchester 1300 at a skeet shoot…I don’t think shooting ability has anything to do with the quality of gun produced.

The Tisas Handguns are great.! great price and look good, shoot perfect, why in the hell buy 1500.00 name? when you can have the same for 500 bucks?

Check out the Yildiz Over under shotgun. And of course Canik.

It’s not the norm where as you can go buy a 686 off the shelf and it’s likely going to be a 50-100k round gun.  Nobody is arguing that CZ doesn’t have the potential to be great guns.  Just like nobody is arguing that any of the staples of the industry can’t produce turds.  That being said CZ is not on par when it comes to the manufacturing process of its O/U’s as its competitors like Beretta, Browning, and Miroku. The question is…can they come close and keep their price point where it’s at.  I have serious doubts they can.

Can SOMEONE post a link to these incredible 870 clones? How about some of the pistols?  I just clicked thru 4 pages of humble brags.... (Yes, there was the link to the PSA MP5 OOS clone...)

A fucking bronze membership to whoever does.

Caniks and the 1911s both seem to be doing real well. At 400 for a base 1911, that is a pretty damn good starting point if you want to add your own parts to it. I have a tp9sfx and it runs like a champ. I have seen a few of them spring up in action pistol.

My Turkish Yildiz over under lasted about 30k rounds before the stock cracked.

I have a beretta 686 SP I Sporting now. Much better

I suppose for "duty" grade you want more time in service. I get it. If I had a canik carry gun I would not be afraid to go with it if I had 2000 rounds through it without issues. In fact, my main issue would be that they aren't slim. I'm sure they will pick up on that trend soon enough.

I would like to see more of this kind of disruption.

All for the better. Cheap guns and more gun ownership is a great thing.

Maybe Tisas can put the nail in the coffin for crap 1911s, ie Kimbers, Taurus, etc.

Would buy a Tisa 1911 over Rock Island now.

Don't forget the 87$ pump shotguns at every gun store in America

I own an excellent CZ 12 gauge O/U.  It is made In Turkey.

Turkish shotguns are not garbage.

I purchased a Benjamin PCP air rifle that they have made in Turkey by a company called Reximex.
It has been a really good rifle and has a 5 year warranty. Alot of decent air guns are being made in Turkey.

I think with most companies they determine the QA level by price point. Much like Scope makers do for lines built in China vs. the Philippines vs. Japan.
And like another poster pointed out, with modern CNC equipment, the consistency of the parts is very good.

Remington was putting out absolute garbage towards the end of their existence.

I need to check out some local gun shops soon to see if any have a Tisa 1911 GI type.

Now for the RI, I’ve heard they are also good for the price.  I see the have a double stack 1911 in 10mm - about $700.   Would that be a good purchase or avoid?

Fuck Turkey and their poverty clone guns!!!


I'm only partly kidding. I'm serious about the fuck Turkey part. As far as their clone guns... meh. I will admit a lot of them hit above their price class in today's market but don't kid yourself into believing "they are just as good" as the guns they are copying. I've owned/shot a few and have never been all that impressed with them. I'm sure there are exceptions (there always are) but I think for the most part, the old adage... "you get what you pay for." still holds true.

I get the appeal but for me, I value and appreciate quality so I'll stick with Italian made shotguns, German made MP5's and American made 1911's. YMMV, to each their own and all that.

@mugzilla here is the 870 clone. Save the bronze membership though. I refuse to provide financial support to a company where I am actually the product. They make plenty of the industry partners, like most forums do.

https://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/legacy-escort-model-87-pump-shotgun/

I've got mine right next to me, in the same exact configuration as yours, along with the Z5RS while I'm making 5gal of menudo and watching Die Hard.
Those mags were pretty expensive when I got one but I had to have one.

Get one! it's amazing how small and handy they are.

I have one of these. I bought it YEARS ago as a cheap alternative to the 84 since I wasn;t sure that I'd like those smaller Berettas. I shot it a few times and it was boringly reliable. I've since bought all the Beretta 80-series guns and put the poor gilr in the back of the safe. I need to take her out and put her through her paces again.

This, own two of them myself.

A 2011 member? You were probably limp-wristing it.

People get drawn in by lipstick on a pig…they think an O/U’s price is dictated by price at the entry level.  They see a CZ and think they’re getting a bargain.
You can find a new beretta for far less than 3k…

The Stingray seems like the cool one to test:

Cute.  Real cute.

I should try to list the multiple problems and these are why I didn't think a "phone call" and an RMA were going to fix shit:

First range trip
1.  Some mags, like  Ruger mags,  wouldn't even clear the mag catch without pushing in the mag button.  Rough mag catch I suspect.
2.  First round nosediving in multiple mags.  Okay, not all 1911's like all mags, EXCEPT MY SPRINGFIELD MIL-SPECS DO.
3.  Strange ejection patterns with some brass-to-face.  I checked extractor tension when I got home and it seemed to be fine.

I decided, "Hey, most 1911's need a little break-in period to be reliable, right?  EXCEPT MY SPRINGFIELD MIL-SPECS WHICH WORKED WITH EVERY MAG AND EVERY TYPE OF AMMO RIGHT OUT OF THE DAMN BOX."

Second range trip

1.  Decided to try Ed Brown mags in it.  Same "iffy" performance and some wouldn't lock in place without pushing the button
2.  More nosediving, more weird ejection on occasion
3.  Slide is starting to lock open with rounds in the mag.  Thinking it's my thumb, I reposition my off hand.  Doesn't help.  I returned home
    and I see copper residue on the hold-open.  I take the gun to a gunsmith who tells me just file a little bit off where the copper is and you'll be
    fine.  

Three more range trips and more filing and the slide still holds open on partially full mags even when I shoot one-handed.

Sixth and final range trip.

1.  The gun likes this Springfield mag but not that Springfield mag; it likes this Ed Brown mag but not that Ed Brown mag; it likes this Ruger mag but
    not that Ruger mag, and so on.  It worked with the mags that actually came with the gun, but if I can't rely on aftermarket mags it's no good to
    me.  At the same range session, I had brought my Springfield Mil-Spec and shot it.  Worked perfectly as usual.

Not that I was keeping a round count, but I estimate I was nearing 1,000 rounds troubleshooting that Tisas.  At $32.00 a box for Blazer brass 45 ACP  That's almost $700 in ammo I've wasted trying to get this damn pistol to work.  The bottom line was:  With multiple issues I knew I could never ever trust it again.  Ever. Had it just been extractor tension:  okay.  Had it just been a rough mag catch:  okay.  Had it just been liking only certain mags, maybe I could learn to live with that.  But the damn thing had multiple problems and I just decided to not babysit it anymore.

How come my "beater" Springfield Mil-Spec, that I don't clean but about every 300-400 rounds, works perfectly every time and even with seven-dollar fucking SARCO magazines, yet the Tisas disappointed me with multiple criteria right from the get-go?

Enjoy your Tisas if you got a good one.  "Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me."

As always, appreciate sharing your personal experience, as that's why we are here. To get the unfiltered reality of peoples experiences, vs a paid Guns and Ammo shill article, or same thing of most Youtube Personality Host Video's.

Regarding your individual experience, all I can say is that does not appear to be typical of most TISAS.  I shot a friends cheap TISAS 1911 last month, and concluded his cheap GI 1911 TISAS was better built than any 1911 I ever handled. We were amazed at just how tight the fit and tolerance was, and the overall quality, reliability, and handling.  At any price.  From what I read and tell, that is the more typical.  On top of that, the cost to test and try, is so remarkably low - that, why not? is the general take and advise I have to give.

FWIW, I've had PSA guns that were made out of spec and wouldn't feed or work right.  I called them, and they instantly took care of it, and paid for everything involved in every way.  I continue to buy, recommend, and be impressed with PSA as a general rule - especially for the money, but in all honesty, if you took away the price tag and the logo's, I'd still chose PSA over many much higher brand names.  I am beginning to suspect TISAS is going to be the international version of PSA.  

My only advise to @TisasUSA during their fast growth cycle into the US market, is to model PSA when it comes to customer service.  Which you may well be doing in fact.  No matter what, even when it's the user who was at fault, always bend over backwards and take care of them, and replace and repair - forever.  It's that level of customer care and attention that has sealed the deal for me to always start with PSA.  

In particular, awesome TISAS, make sure you guys don't fall down the bullshit path of "you pay to send back and we'll decide if it's under warrenty." You know who just did that bullshit card to me this week?  @SpringfieldArmory.  You know who's 1911 I'm going to just sell now and never look back? Springfield Armory.

When was this?  Didn't think Tisas had been importing all that long.

IIRC I bought the gun in August and was rid of it by late October or early November.   I'm retired so I can generally go to the range every day if I want to, even though it's more than an hour's drive for me.

yeah, Ohio is 44k sq mi and Turkey is 302K.  Texas is 268K.   So Turkey is the size of Texas plus half of Oklahoma or 3/4 of Louisiana

You can find a used Aya or browning BSS for well under $1500 with mobile chokes

Don't need the membership, but I asked the same question, and someone IM'd me a link:

https://www.retayusa.com/product-category/compact/gps/

It may take Remington 870 furniture, but the bbl and ejector are not compatible, unlike the discontinued Chinese H&R 870 clone.  No rifled slug bbls for you.

Tisas and Girsan are importing Ceracoated 1911A1 clones, Beretta 92 clones, HiPower clones, and there was a CZ75 clone out there, don't remember the maker.

I own one.  They are nice.

Don't forget Canik (also Turkish), which is a P99 Clone (sort of, they cut out the decocker, which is one of P99's better features).  

you could buy a nice used one for what it would cost to make one nowadays.  If you have ever taken one apart, it is fairly complex.

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Muslim country that genocided Christians and continues to do so= a huge nope from me.

Fuck Turkey 1,000 times.

Reverse engineered? They were licensed copies meaning they got the TDP and tooling directly from HK.  Not sure why you think they are reverse engineered.

A Tisa Duty is on my short list. If they happen to come out with a Mossberg 930 SPX clone I'll be all over that.

DBL tap.

You’re not going to need a warranty for either gun.  And I already said used.  I’d be interested to see your poi and how true your receiver is after 1800 rounds on the CZ.

SDS has said their pumps don't take 870 furniture.

$386
https://www.kygunco.com/product/sds-imports-1911db45-1911-duty-b45-5-1911-black-cerakote

$319
https://www.kygunco.com/product/sds-imports-1911a1s45-1911a1-service-45-45acp-full-sz-5-7rd

I have my doubts but I hope it’s true.  Visible gaps would be a huge problem lol  I don’t think the problem would be that bad, but under a CMM I bet we’d find issues that we shouldn’t find at that round count.

I’ve owned a bobwhite and a sharptail, I also shoot CZ’s every year at pheasant fest.  I’m disappointed year after year.

There’s lots of documentation about ongoing issues with CZ double guns, especially when it comes to indexing and Turkish steel alloy problems.

One of the main reasons Yildiz does not source its steel from Turkey and they are producing a magnificent gun.