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Posted: 5/10/2021 10:50:40 PM EST
UPDATE
Yep.. it's over Nevada. The Senate judiciary chair just signed on as cosponsor. They have said to pass as amended. THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEVADA, REPRESENTED IN SENATE AND ASSEMBLY, DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS Amended from previous bill. •Provided that a firearm manufactured before 1969 is not subject to the provisions contained in Section 5 of the bill; Clarifies that nothing in the bill prohibits the sale of an unfinished frame, receiver or firearm to an importer, manufacturer, or dealer licensed under federal law before January 1, 2022; and • Adds Chair Scheible as a cosponsor of the bill. https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/81st2021/ExhibitDocument/OpenExhibitDocument?exhibitId=53667&fileDownloadName=AB%20286_Work%20Session%20Document_Patrick%20Guinan_Policy%20Analyst_Research%20Division_LCB.pdf These are the written statements from yesterday's meeting. https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/81st2021/Bill/7778/Exhibits NRA opposition statement https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/81st2021/Bill/7778/Overview NRAILA https://act.nraila.org/actions/campaigns/11881 Looks like NV decided to make law bidding citizens into criminals today. Nevada Assembly Bill 286, which would ban unfinished receivers, will be heard by the Senate Judiciary Committee on May 11th. It passed the house with a 26 to 16 vote The bill bans people in Nevada from possessing, purchasing, transporting, or receiving an unfinished frame or receiver without serializing the part. The bill does exempt firearms importers and manufacturers from the requirement. It also bans the manufacture and assembly of firearms. The bill does not have a grandfather clause which means those in possession of these currently legal items will have to turn them into the government or destroy them without compensation. Law enforcement will charge anyone caught with an unserialized frame or receiver with a gross misdemeanor for the first offense. If the person is found in the future with another unfinished frame or receiver, authorities will charge them with a Category D Felony. The charge would mean the person would lose their gun rights for life. The bill will also make it a crime to sell an unfinished frame or firearm without it being serialized. There is an exemption from manufacture-to-manufacture sales. Similarly, to being caught with an unserialized frame or receiver, the person selling the item would be guilty of a gross misdemeanor on the first charge and a Category D Felony on the second charge. Again the person would also lose their gun rights for life. You are not allowed to engrave a serial number. Nor could a gunsmith. Only federally licensed manufacturers and importers will be allowed.to. ETA This bill will go before the Senate judiciary TODAY 5/11/21 This is the final vote before going to the governor for signatures. The state Senate is heavily Democrat The governor is a leftist nut that has already signed gun control into law before. God help those that live in NV today. It is just a taste of what is going to happen everywhere this summer. I would encourage everyone to share whats happening to others heat the phone lines up at the NV state house. Every dam one of their emails an phone lines should be filled with complaints about this. This was all set up by the ATF because P80 headquarters is in Dayton NV Today's vote and meeting will be broadcast here http://sg001-harmony.sliq.net/00324/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20210511/-1/?fk=8567&viewmode=1 Tuesday, May 11, 2021 1:00 PM - 9:00 PM Contact Information [email protected] (775) 684-1300 Nevada Senate Judiciary (JUD) Members Nicole J. Cannizzaro - Chair Party: Democratic Majority Leader [email protected] Dallas Harris - Vice Chair Party: Democratic [email protected] James Ohrenschall Party: Democratic [email protected] Marilyn Dondero Loop Party: Democratic [email protected] Melanie Scheible Party: Democratic [email protected] Scott Hammond Party: Republican [email protected] Ira Hansen Party: Republican [email protected] Keith F. Pickard Party: Republican [email protected] |
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And how does it define unfinished receiver...cause well raw iron ore could be an unfinished receiver.
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Quoted: And how does it define unfinished receiver...cause well raw iron ore could be an unfinished receiver. View Quote This is how the bill defines it. 9. “Unfinished frame or receiver” means a blank, a casting or a machined body that is intended to be turned into the frame or lower receiver of a firearm with additional machining and which has been formed or machined to the point at which most of the major machining operations have been completed to turn the blank, casting or machined body into a frame or lower receiver of a firearm even if the fire-control cavity area of the blank, casting or machined body is still completely solid and unmachinedi |
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Bans unfinished frames ? What about the ones already finished and in use. Can they be kept ? Sounds unclear.
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If they’re not firearms yet as they’re only 80% do they fall under completed firearm serial number requirements?
Just put the same serial number on all of them. |
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How can they do without compensating people. This is an unjust taking.
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So, engrave a serial number on it. I think 12345 should do nicely.
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No worries since LE will not be enforcing, correct? We’re all in this together, right?
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What about older firearms from before serial numbers were required?
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It seems to also ban the manufacture of firearms by those who are not federally licensed manufacturers or importers.
Section 4 of this bill prohibits a person from manufacturing or causing to be 45 manufactured or assembling or causing to be assembled a firearm that is not imprinted with a 46 serial number issued by a firearms importer or manufacturer in accordance with federal law 47 and any regulations adopted thereunder unless the firearm is: (1) rendered permanently 48 inoperable; (2) an antique; or (3) a collector’s item, curio or relic. Section 4 provides that a 49 person who commits such an unlawful act: (1) for the first offense, is guilty of a gross 50 misdemeanor; and (2) for the second or any subsequent offense, is guilty of a category D 51 felony. 52 Similarly, section 5 of this bill prohibits a person from possessing, selling, offering to 53 sell, transferring, purchasing, transporting or receiving a firearm that is not imprinted with a 54 serial number issued by a firearms importer or manufacturer in accordance with federal law 55 and any regulations adopted thereunder unless: (1) the person is a law enforcement agency or 56 a firearms importer or manufacturer; or (2) the firearm is rendered permanently inoperable or 57 is an antique, collector’s item, curio or relic. Section 5 provides that a person who commits 58 such an unlawful act: (1) for the first offense, is guilty of a gross misdemeanor; and (2) for the 59 second or any subsequent offense, is guilty of a category D felony. View Quote The unfinished receiver must have a serial issued by a licensed manufacturer, so this goes further than an individual serialization requirement. It also bans possession with no grandfathering. Quoted: What about older firearms from before serial numbers were required? View Quote C&R items are exempt, and as being 50 years of age is a qualifier for C&R status, pre-68 guns are still good to go. Unfortunately replicas of C&R guns are not C&R guns, so a new made ar receiver is not c&r eligible just because it looks like a vintage AR. Of course, it is still subject to the capriciousness of the ATF... Curio and relic (C&R) firearms are defined as firearms which are of special interest to collectors because they possess some qualities not ordinarily associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as a curio or relic, firearms must fall within one of the following categories: Firearms manufactured at least 50 years prior the current date, but not including replicas thereof; Firearms certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and Firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, or bizarre or from the fact of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. ATF has recognized only complete, assembled firearms as curios or relics. ATF’s classification of surplus military firearms as curios or relics has extended only to those firearms in their original military configuration. Frames or receivers of curios or relics are not generally recognized as curios or relics. Collectors wishing to obtain a determination whether a particular firearm qualifies for classification as a curio or relic may submit a written request for a determination to ATF’s Firearms Technology Branch. ATF’s classifications of curios and relics firearms are published in ATF Publication 5300.11. View Quote |
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Sec. 4. 1. A person shall not manufacture or cause to be manufactured or
assemble or cause to be assembled a firearm that is not imprinted with a serial number issued by a firearms importer or manufacturer in accordance with Federal law and any regulations adopted thereunder unless the firearm: (a) Has been rendered permanently inoperable; (b) Is an antique firearm; or (c) Has been determined to be a collector’s item pursuant to 26 U.S.C. Chapter 53 or a curio or relic pursuant to 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44. 2. A person who violates this section: (a) For the first offense, is guilty of a gross misdemeanor; and (b) For the second or any subsequent offense, is guilty of a category D felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130. 3. As used in this section: (a) “Assemble” means to fit together component parts. (b) “Manufacture” means to fabricate, make, form, produce or construct by manual labor or machinery |
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Sec. 3.5. 1. A person shall not sell, offer to sell or transfer an unfinished
frame or receiver unless: (a) The person is: (1) A firearms importer or manufacturer; and (2) The recipient of the unfinished frame or receiver is a firearms importer or manufacturer; or (b) The unfinished frame or receiver is required by federal law to be imprinted with a serial number issued by an importer or manufacturer and the unfinished frame or receiver has been imprinted with the serial number. 2. A person who violates this section: (a) For the first offense, is guilty of a gross misdemeanor; and (b) For the second or any subsequent offense, is guilty of a category D felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130. |
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What will they do about all those cars and trucks with Sten receiver blanks under them ?
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So all you have to do is put a serial number on it?
Seems like a dumb law but pretty easily thwarted. |
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Plumbing supply shops will go out of business as you can make a federally legal zip gun out of them for rimmed cartridges.
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Per your link, this hasn't cleared the Nevada Senate committee.
Sensational title, you think? |
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Quoted: So all you have to do is put a serial number on it? Seems like a dumb law but pretty easily thwarted. View Quote No it doesn't seem to be that easy. Section 5.5.2(b) The unfinished frame or receiver is required by federal law to be imprinted with a serial number issued by an importer or manufacturer and the unfinished frame or receiver has been imprinted with the serial number. I see this being challenged under current law but it looks like they are just getting ahead of what the ATF is doing which is going to require this to be done. |
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So someone visiting the state..instant felony for something legal in their home state
Well CA was already off the list of visitation along with a few others, pretty sure my list will include all 50 if Xiden has anything to say about it.... |
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I can't wait to leave this shithole. How's Missouri OP? I'm seriously considering moving there
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Democrats are a cancer. A vile insidious cancer. Every fucking one of them but they aren't the only ones. We have quite a few members on this site who believe any law regardless of how unjust must be obeyed to the letter simply because someone with power proclaimed it.
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Quoted: Per your link, this hasn't cleared the Nevada Senate committee. Sensational title, you think? View Quote It was heard by the Senate Judiciary Committee on May 5th They amended parts of the bill that had to do with concealed carry signage so it goes back to them. They approved this writing already once. The title is correct. |
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Quoted: No it doesn't seem to be that easy. Section 5.5.2(b) The unfinished frame or receiver is required by federal law to be imprinted with a serial number issued by an importer or manufacturer and the unfinished frame or receiver has been imprinted with the serial number. I see this being challenged under current law but it looks like they are just getting ahead of what the ATF is doing which is going to require this to be done. View Quote It doesn't say the manufacturer needs to be licensed or hold an FFL. Doesn't Federal law say that the person doing the machining of an unfinished receiver is the manufacturer? |
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Quoted: https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/81st2021/Bill/7778/Overview Looks like NV decided to make law bidding citizens into criminals today. Nevada Assembly Bill 286, which would ban unfinished receivers, was heard by the Senate Judiciary Committee on May 5th. Today it passed with a 26 to 16 vote View Quote That link says it passed the Assembly 26-16 on April 20, and is scheduled for a Senate hearing on May 11. |
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Quoted: It was heard by the Senate Judiciary Committee on May 5th They amended parts of the bill that had to do with concealed carry signage so it goes back to them. They approved this writing already once. The title is correct. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Per your link, this hasn't cleared the Nevada Senate committee. Sensational title, you think? It was heard by the Senate Judiciary Committee on May 5th They amended parts of the bill that had to do with concealed carry signage so it goes back to them. They approved this writing already once. The title is correct. Link the bill that the governor signed. Eta: the liberal media would be on this like flies to crap if he did. "NV bans ghost guns" in all caps. |
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Quoted: It doesn't say the manufacturer needs to be licensed or hold an FFL. Doesn't Federal law say that the person doing the machining of an unfinished receiver is the manufacturer? View Quote From the amended version. Firearms importer or manufacturer” means a person 18 licensed to import or manufacture firearms pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 19 Chapter 44. View Quote You must be a qualifying importer or manufacturer to assign a serial. The relevant USC section for importers and manufacturers: (a)No person shall engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or importing or manufacturing ammunition, until he has filed an application with and received a license to do so from the Attorney General. The application shall be in such form and contain only that information necessary to determine eligibility for licensing as the Attorney General shall by regulation prescribe and shall include a photograph and fingerprints of the applicant. Each applicant shall pay a fee for obtaining such a license, a separate fee being required for each place in which the applicant is to do business, as follows: (1)If the applicant is a manufacturer— (A)of destructive devices, ammunition for destructive devices or armor piercing ammunition, a fee of $1,000 per year; (B)of firearms other than destructive devices, a fee of $50 per year; or (C)of ammunition for firearms, other than ammunition for destructive devices or armor piercing ammunition, a fee of $10 per year. (2)If the applicant is an importer— (A)of destructive devices, ammunition for destructive devices or armor piercing ammunition, a fee of $1,000 per year; or (B)of firearms other than destructive devices or ammunition for firearms other than destructive devices, or ammunition other than armor piercing ammunition, a fee of $50 per year. View Quote The NV senate is heavily D. Hope they have some staunch defenders and some smart legislative tricks to head this off- it would be the most draconian bill of the sort nationwide to my knowledge. I'm sure they'll have some cocksucker like their state trooper commander or some similar wonk there to slob sisolak's knob and talk about how all the criminals are using p80s and 3d printed guns. |
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Quoted: The bill bans people in Nevada from possessing, purchasing, transporting, or receiving an unfinished frame or receiver without serializing the part. View Quote So, dremel and 8675309? Ou812? 5150? 1234? 2813308004? 8787878787? |
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The rags are licking their chops, but have doubts of its passage. Note the date. Of course, gotta reference a tradegy multiple times. This bill will die in committee. Or at least the 80/whatever% unfinished part will.
https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/will-nevadas-latest-gun-safety-legislation-fall-on-deaf-ears |
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It just so happens that Polymer 80 headquarters is located In Dayton, NV
Looks like pet lovers are trying to cut heads off of snakes. |
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Fear not citizens, the LEOs would never enforce an unconstitutional law.
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We shall see about that. To the commie scum who invaded our Battleborn state. THIS IS NOT CALIFORNIA and you have stepped too far.
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I’ll dremel engrave my “ghost” ARs with pac-man ghosts and their serial numbers will be Inky, Blinky, and Clyde.
Let the cops wonder where my Pinky is. |
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What if you make a lower and put a serial number on it?
My serial number is “ATF CAN EAT A BAG OF DICKS 001” |
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How does it affect 80%'s already finished. As they are not unfinished receivers.
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Quoted: What if you make a lower and put a serial number on it? My serial number is “ATF CAN EAT A BAG OF DICKS 001” View Quote Are you guys not reading what has been posted? No you can not put a serial number on it and be ok. No a gunsmith cannot put a serial number on it for you and be ok Any 80% that is out there completed or not, must be turned in to the government or destroyed. Failure to do so will will land your azz in jail. |
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Quoted: https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/81st2021/Bill/7778/Overview Looks like NV decided to make law bidding citizens into criminals today. Nevada Assembly Bill 286, which would ban unfinished receivers, was heard by the Senate Judiciary Committee on May 5th. Today it passed with a 26 to 16 vote The bill bans people in Nevada from possessing, purchasing, transporting, or receiving an unfinished frame or receiver without serializing the part. The bill does exempt firearms importers and manufacturers from the requirement. The bill does not have a grandfather clause which means those in possession of these currently legal items will have to turn them into the government or destroy them without compensation. Law enforcement will charge anyone caught with an unserialized frame or receiver with a gross misdemeanor for the first offense. If the person is found in the future with another unfinished frame or receiver, authorities will charge them with a Category D Felony. The charge would mean the person would lose their gun rights for life. The bill will also make it a crime to sell an unfinished frame or firearm without it being serialized. There is an exemption from manufacture-to-manufacture sales. Similarly, to being caught with an unserialized frame or receiver, the person selling the item would be guilty of a gross misdemeanor on the first charge and a Category D Felony on the second charge. Again the person would also lose their gun rights for life. View Quote Has the governor signed it yet? If not, well, screw it, they're making you criminals, which will mean you won't have jobs. Melt the governors phone lines, cram the email inbox full, flood the mailboxes, surround the office, etc. They're trying to make it where you don't have anything to lose. |
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