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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:08:17 PM EST
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Damn. I had a feeling berthing got hit hard when I saw those images.
Fair winds and following seas. 
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:08:28 PM EST
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... Where's the rest of this documentary?  Shooting down of Iran Air 655 (Pt 2 of 3) Part 3  Shooting down of Iran Air 655 (Pt 3 of 3) |
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:08:32 PM EST
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from news report the ram could well be intentional
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:08:38 PM EST
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Missing Sailors found dead: (CNN)All seven missing sailors from the USS Fitzgerald were found dead in flooded berthing compartments following the warship's collision with a merchant vessel, a US Navy official told CNN on Saturday. http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/17/us/missing-sailors-found/index.html
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:09:50 PM EST
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If you are talking about that Iran flight in 88, it was squawking as an F14 fighter. They attempted to contact the aircraft multiple times on multiple frequencies. It never responded, it got to close, and they shot it down. They thought they were being attacked. They didn't shoot down an airliner because it got to close. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty sure the US shot an innocent airliner out of the fucking sky one time. So did the Russians. |
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:11:07 PM EST
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from news report the ram could well be intentional http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/17/14/417F0B6400000578-4612334-image-a-8_1497707969392.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/17/15/417F0AF000000578-4612334-image-a-11_1497708031094.jpg |
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:17:17 PM EST
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It obviously would be super helpful to have the Fitzgeralds trackline.
But just knowing what direction they were traveling would help to make sense of that AIS trackline. |
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:18:54 PM EST
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:19:18 PM EST
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It obviously would be super helpful to have the Fitzgeralds trackline. But just knowing what direction they were traveling would help to make sense of that AIS trackline. |
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:25:57 PM EST
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RIP shipmates.
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:27:51 PM EST
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can't believe they can just ram and sail away, as if nothing has happened? hit and run on the sea?
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:30:47 PM EST
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that's pretty retarded, tax payer money, do we need to give them 50% more?  |
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:31:43 PM EST
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Iran 655 was not squawking f-14 IFF. It was squawking civilian airliner IFF, was in an air lane ascending, and shouldn't have been shot down. They thought they were being attacked because someone read a scope wrong and that misreading cued a bunch of other screwups throughout CIC. There was an F-14 IFF code that popped up in CIC once, probably ducted from Bandar Abbas (where the aircraft came from), but it was never confirmed and never came from that aircraft. The investigation report has been online for at least a decade. Go read it before you make up stories. |
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:33:42 PM EST
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Posted for context for those who have never been in a heavy shipping traffic area.
Add night and if you're really unlucky poor weather.  Strait of Singapore - Singapore Strait Traffic |
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:36:54 PM EST
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Missing Sailors found dead: (CNN)All seven missing sailors from the USS Fitzgerald were found dead in flooded berthing compartments following the warship's collision with a merchant vessel, a US Navy official told CNN on Saturday. http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/17/us/missing-sailors-found/index.html
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:45:48 PM EST
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Have you ever conned a ship through the Strait of Malacca? 30-40 contacts, all tracking to within 500 yards. |
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:48:12 PM EST
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ETA: Josh and Desert_AIP already covered it.
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If you are talking about that Iran flight in 88, it was squawking as an F14 fighter. They attempted to contact the aircraft multiple times on multiple frequencies. It never responded, it got to close, and they shot it down. They thought they were being attacked. They didn't shoot down an airliner because it got to close. It was a tragic mistake that Iran milked for all it could. |
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Posted: 6/17/2017 10:50:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryThe rest of us called it "Jerktown." The model of Aegis Arrogance.
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Posted: 6/17/2017 11:04:42 PM EST
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By the time a ship the size of that container ship was determined to be a threat it would be unstoppable. If you trained every gun on it and fired till you ran out of ammo , it wouldn't stop it. It would sink or burn AFTER it rammed you and cut you in half if that is any consolation. http://i.imgur.com/9cHEVFt.jpg |
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Posted: 6/17/2017 11:07:43 PM EST
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Posted: 6/17/2017 11:07:55 PM EST
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RIP.
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Posted: 6/17/2017 11:17:52 PM EST
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Posted: 6/18/2017 12:07:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Missing Sailors found dead: (CNN)All seven missing sailors from the USS Fitzgerald were found dead in flooded berthing compartments following the warship's collision with a merchant vessel, a US Navy official told CNN on Saturday. http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/17/us/missing-sailors-found/index.html
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Posted: 6/18/2017 12:08:01 AM EST
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from news report the ram could well be intentional http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/17/14/417F0B6400000578-4612334-image-a-8_1497707969392.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/17/15/417F0AF000000578-4612334-image-a-11_1497708031094.jpg  Navy ship taking "evasive action" |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 12:24:44 AM EST
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How could a cargo ship intentionally ram a ship that can maneuver like an Arleigh Burke? I have no idea how it happened, but I don't see how it would be possible for a cargo ship to ram a destroyer like The Fitzgerald unless a lot of shit went wrong.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzveUz-WRGQThey don't get up to speed like that in a few seconds and they don't normally cruise around at full speed. There are some guys posted in here a few pages back that know a lot more about navigation than I that lay out good luck info on it. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 12:25:51 AM EST
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Posted: 6/18/2017 12:27:39 AM EST
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For fucks sake that ship is already moving at full speed before it starts maneuvering like that. They don't get up to speed like that in a few seconds and they don't normally cruise around at full speed. There are some guys posted in here a few pages back that know a lot more about navigation than I that lay out good luck info on it. The point is that it would be hard as hell to intentionally ram an AB destroyer. Is that really hard to grasp? |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 12:35:20 AM EST
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The cargo ship didn't drop out of hyperspace right beside it did it? The point is that it would be hard as hell to intentionally ram an AB destroyer. Is that really hard to grasp? That ship was very likely operating on split plant, meaning one shaft is turning and the other is windmilling. To bring the ship up to full plant to evade collision does not happen in a few seconds. Its not like a car where you just floor it. Edit: There are also some spots out at sea where there is a lot of vessels going to a lot of places, your "hyperspace" comparison is really silly and in no way realistic. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 12:37:25 AM EST
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Depending on the destroyers speed at the time. She can't turn if she isn't moving. And we are all speculating cause we just don't know.
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Posted: 6/18/2017 12:45:45 AM EST
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And you don't know that it did. That ship was very likely operating on split plant, meaning one shaft is turning and the other is windmilling. To bring the ship up to full plant to evade collision does not happen in a few seconds. Its not like a car where you just floor it. Edit: There are also some spots out at sea where there is a lot of vessels going to a lot of places, your "hyperspace" comparison is really silly and in no way realistic. What is unrealistic is that it would be easy to intentionally ram an AB destroyer. So as I stated, it would be hard unless a lot of things went wrong. Are you saying it would be easy if everything was being done correctly? That is what it sounds like. ETA it wasn't even you claiming it was intentional. Why are you even responding? |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 12:53:17 AM EST
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So the destroyer was hit on the starboard front and the container ship hit on the port side up front. Maybe the destroyer was passing alongside a few hundred yards off and the container ship turned hard port, being 2am and dark as hell, before you know it, it's too late.
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Posted: 6/18/2017 1:02:06 AM EST
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And you don't know that it did. That ship was very likely operating on split plant, meaning one shaft is turning and the other is windmilling. To bring the ship up to full plant to evade collision does not happen in a few seconds. Its not like a car where you just floor it. Edit: There are also some spots out at sea where there is a lot of vessels going to a lot of places, your "hyperspace" comparison is really silly and in no way realistic. It only takes a minute or so to start a GTE, even if they were running trail shaft. They may not have had full power available, but slamming the throttles forward, even if they were trailing one shaft, still gives pretty impressive acceleration. It would basically be similar to a FFG configuration with one engine running. Still plenty of pickup available, but you'd need to apply lots of offsetting rudder to compensate for the asymmetric thrust. I take it you've never served on a gas turbine ship... watching a DDG or CG go from DIW to Ahead Flank 3 is impressive. The stern digs in and it throws up a rooster tail like you wouldn't believe. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 1:08:34 AM EST
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God damnit
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Posted: 6/18/2017 1:25:22 AM EST
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Bodies found on doomed destroyer: Divers recover some of the Navy's seven missing sailors who were TRAPPED in wreck of USS Fitzgerald after it hit cargo ship - as crash is treated as 'negligence' Despite the significant damage to the USS Fitzgerald, Aucoin said 'the ship is salvageable' and will hopefully take just under a year to repair.Aucoin also said that there were at least two investigations launched into the collision, including a JAG investigation. The Japanese coast guard said it received an emergency call from the container ship, the ACX Crystal, reporting the collision with the USS Fitzgerald around 2.20am on Saturday.Officials from the Japanese coast guard were questioning crew members of the ACX Crystal, which is operated by the Japanese shipping company Nippon Yusen K.K., and are treating the incident as a case of possible professional negligence, said Masayuki Obara, a regional coast guard official. more |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 1:27:39 AM EST
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Ugh I'm so angry. And sad. And bewildered. Kids serving our country.
Why. Why. Why.. Reat in peace heroes. Best wishes to the families. Your sons did us proud. I hope we get answers. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 1:34:16 AM EST
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I think the operative word is "returned" to all steel construction. Still a lot of aluminum superstructure running around out there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I think the operative word is "returned" to all steel construction. Still a lot of aluminum superstructure running around out there. First, you said (and I quote): Quoted:
The super structures of modern Naval ships are built mostly of aluminum, not steel. Care to try for part three? 
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Posted: 6/18/2017 1:52:16 AM EST
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Damn that is one hell of a list.
There will probably be some good lessons learned from the DC portion of this terrible accident. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 1:52:41 AM EST
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Split plant means two turbines are driving one shaft and two turbines are driving the other. I.E. the plant is split. What you're describing is trail shaft. There's really no good reason to do that in normal ops, though most likely they were running one turbine per side. It only takes a minute or so to start a GTE, even if they were running trail shaft. They may not have had full power available, but slamming the throttles forward, even if they were trailing one shaft, still gives pretty impressive acceleration. It would basically be similar to a FFG configuration with one engine running. Still plenty of pickup available, but you'd need to apply lots of offsetting rudder to compensate for the asymmetric thrust. I take it you've never served on a gas turbine ship... watching a DDG or CG go from DIW to Ahead Flank 3 is impressive. The stern digs in and it throws up a rooster tail like you wouldn't believe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And you don't know that it did. That ship was very likely operating on split plant, meaning one shaft is turning and the other is windmilling. To bring the ship up to full plant to evade collision does not happen in a few seconds. Its not like a car where you just floor it. Edit: There are also some spots out at sea where there is a lot of vessels going to a lot of places, your "hyperspace" comparison is really silly and in no way realistic. It only takes a minute or so to start a GTE, even if they were running trail shaft. They may not have had full power available, but slamming the throttles forward, even if they were trailing one shaft, still gives pretty impressive acceleration. It would basically be similar to a FFG configuration with one engine running. Still plenty of pickup available, but you'd need to apply lots of offsetting rudder to compensate for the asymmetric thrust. I take it you've never served on a gas turbine ship... watching a DDG or CG go from DIW to Ahead Flank 3 is impressive. The stern digs in and it throws up a rooster tail like you wouldn't believe. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 2:43:55 AM EST
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Split plant means two turbines are driving one shaft and two turbines are driving the other. I.E. the plant is split. What you're describing is trail shaft. There's really no good reason to do that in normal ops, though most likely they were running one turbine per side. It only takes a minute or so to start a GTE, even if they were running trail shaft. They may not have had full power available, but slamming the throttles forward, even if they were trailing one shaft, still gives pretty impressive acceleration. It would basically be similar to a FFG configuration with one engine running. Still plenty of pickup available, but you'd need to apply lots of offsetting rudder to compensate for the asymmetric thrust. I take it you've never served on a gas turbine ship... watching a DDG or CG go from DIW to Ahead Flank 3 is impressive. The stern digs in and it throws up a rooster tail like you wouldn't believe. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 3:47:07 AM EST
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Posted: 6/18/2017 3:51:45 AM EST
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Sad news
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Posted: 6/18/2017 4:37:49 AM EST
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Nippon Yusen Kabushiki Kaisha has some answering to do, things like this should be prevented. Busy route. Bless those that are lost and are injured. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 5:17:22 AM EST
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Terrible tragedy
Some knowledgable people on here. It seems that the only damage is above the water line why is it listing, Is there some unseen damage under the water? |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 5:21:21 AM EST
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Terrible tragedy Some knowledgable people on here. It seems that the only damage is above the water line why is it listing, Is there some unseen damage under the water? 
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Posted: 6/18/2017 5:25:09 AM EST
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It wasn't a high speed collision, the tanker was going maybe 5kts and seems like the Frigate stopped.
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Posted: 6/18/2017 6:00:54 AM EST
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It wasn't a high speed collision, the tanker was going maybe 5kts and seems like the Frigate stopped. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 6:03:39 AM EST
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She was going 17.3 kts if AIS is correct when the collision occurred. That's a fuckton of kinetic energy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It wasn't a high speed collision, the tanker was going maybe 5kts and seems like the Frigate stopped. The DDG could just have well been sunk. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 6:13:00 AM EST
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Fair winds and following seas sailors
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Posted: 6/18/2017 7:25:37 AM EST
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Split plant means two turbines are driving one shaft and two turbines are driving the other. I.E. the plant is split. What you're describing is trail shaft. There's really no good reason to do that in normal ops, though most likely they were running one turbine per side. It only takes a minute or so to start a GTE, even if they were running trail shaft. They may not have had full power available, but slamming the throttles forward, even if they were trailing one shaft, still gives pretty impressive acceleration. It would basically be similar to a FFG configuration with one engine running. Still plenty of pickup available, but you'd need to apply lots of offsetting rudder to compensate for the asymmetric thrust. I take it you've never served on a gas turbine ship... watching a DDG or CG go from DIW to Ahead Flank 3 is impressive. The stern digs in and it throws up a rooster tail like you wouldn't believe. At trail shaft or split plant they still are not going to be up to speed like that guy posted on that video in an instant like he thought it would. Yes I've seen the ship do crash backs. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 7:27:57 AM EST
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Anyone see the damage to Japanese cargo ship???
Can't seem to find a photo of it any where in the web.. |
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