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Posted: 6/30/2018 9:45:25 AM EDT
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Sounds like a fun job, I'll do it 
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Posted: 6/30/2018 9:46:51 AM EDT
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Which furthers the interests of the fellow that is busy invading eastern Europe, but whatever I guess. What did we form NATO for again? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: He's been attacking NATO ever since he went to Moscow in the 80s. He's still completely ignorant about how it works decades later. https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-07/10/17/enhanced/webdr02/original-12123-1436563121-15.png?downsize=715:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto Now he wants to take our troops out of Germany? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-assessing-cost-of-keeping-troops-in-germany-as-trump-battles-with-europe/2018/06/29/94689094-ca9f-490c-b3be-b135970de3fc_story.html?utm_term=.3d5082d8d6b7 It was solely the United States that kept Russia from taking all of Georgia. It is the US, UK and a few other allies that spun-up Ukraine's military after Russia invaded. Germany is both politically useless and geographically pointless in regards to containing Russia. Russian containment now takes place in Poland, Hungary, Romania and what's left of Ukraine. The Three Seas Initiative is the tool by which to contain Russia today. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 9:48:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which furthers the interests of the fellow that is busy invading eastern Europe, but whatever I guess. What did we form NATO for again? To man their battlements for them, so they can spend more of their efforts on self-pussification and working to undercut us at every opportunity as they turn more socialist and import more heathen enemy to finish the assault the Turks lost at the gates of Vienna in 1683? Who needs a Trojan horse tactic when the country leaders are opening the gates and building express lanes for Moose-lims in? |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 9:48:52 AM EDT
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You would hate it. The women are all fat and smell of potatoes Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like a fun job, I'll do it |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 9:50:26 AM EDT
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Ambassador to Estonia, huh? Not exactly an A-1 gold star posting, LOL. I suppose it IS a step up from ambassador to togo, pago-pago, bora-bora, Gilligan's Island or Sea World, LOL. Its probably a safe bet this guy was a career State guy which means he's a useless toady. If he was somebody worth a crap, he'd have been ambassador to a more important country. No great loss.
Estonia is like a lot of former Eastern Bloc countries; democracy is still a shiny new toy and they're going places eventually. With the falling of the wall and the coming of the second russian revolution you'd think they would not need NATO. You'd think, but try being Polish, Slovakian, Czech, Ukraynian. Yeah, them Russkies are still just as scary so please Mr Uncle Sam, don't let that bad bear toss me into the briar patch. Can we be NATO too? LOL. And that's what we got. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 9:53:31 AM EDT
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Ambassador to Estonia, huh? Not exactly an A-1 gold star posting, LOL. I suppose it IS a step up from ambassador to togo, pago-pago, bora-bora, Gilligan's Island or Sea World, LOL. Its probably a safe bet this guy was a career State guy which means he's a useless toady. If he was somebody worth a crap, he'd have been ambassador to a more important country. No great loss. Estonia is like a lot of former Eastern Bloc countries; democracy is still a shiny new toy and they're going places eventually. With the falling of the wall and the coming of the second russian revolution you'd think they would not need NATO. You'd think, but try being Polish, Slovakian, Czech, Ukraynian. Yeah, them Russkies are still just as scary so please Mr Uncle Sam, don't let that bad bear toss me into the briar patch. Can we be NATO too? LOL. And that's what we got. 
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Posted: 6/30/2018 9:58:34 AM EDT
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Ambassador to Estonia, huh? Not exactly an A-1 gold star posting, LOL. I suppose it IS a step up from ambassador to togo, pago-pago, bora-bora, Gilligan's Island or Sea World, LOL. Its probably a safe bet this guy was a career State guy which means he's a useless toady. If he was somebody worth a crap, he'd have been ambassador to a more important country. No great loss. Estonia is like a lot of former Eastern Bloc countries; democracy is still a shiny new toy and they're going places eventually. With the falling of the wall and the coming of the second russian revolution you'd think they would not need NATO. You'd think, but try being Polish, Slovakian, Czech, Ukraynian. Yeah, them Russkies are still just as scary so please Mr Uncle Sam, don't let that bad bear toss me into the briar patch. Can we be NATO too? LOL. And that's what we got.  and
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Posted: 6/30/2018 10:04:18 AM EDT
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You're not doing much to dispel the stereotypes about you Yanks and Geography there, mucka    Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wait is Estonia a real country? I legit thought it was made up. Next thing, you're going to try to convince us that Wakanda is a real place. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 10:29:37 AM EDT
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Quote Historyoutofbattery:I’m glad they blew that chance but I’m more glad that paranoia and kleptocracy keeps Russia relatively weak when by all rights they should be doing quite well now. 
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Posted: 6/30/2018 10:37:07 AM EDT
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Listen, Avengers Age of Ultron was a decent movie, but it's no place to get geography lessons. Next thing, you're going to try to convince us that Wakanda is a real place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wait is Estonia a real country? I legit thought it was made up. Next thing, you're going to try to convince us that Wakanda is a real place.
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Posted: 6/30/2018 10:38:24 AM EDT
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Wait is Estonia a real country? I legit thought it was made up. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 10:39:39 AM EDT
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Ambassador to Estonia, huh? Not exactly an A-1 gold star posting, LOL. I suppose it IS a step up from ambassador to togo, pago-pago, bora-bora, Gilligan's Island or Sea World, LOL. Its probably a safe bet this guy was a career State guy which means he's a useless toady. If he was somebody worth a crap, he'd have been ambassador to a more important country. No great loss. Estonia is like a lot of former Eastern Bloc countries; democracy is still a shiny new toy and they're going places eventually. With the falling of the wall and the coming of the second russian revolution you'd think they would not need NATO. You'd think, but try being Polish, Slovakian, Czech, Ukraynian. Yeah, them Russkies are still just as scary so please Mr Uncle Sam, don't let that bad bear toss me into the briar patch. Can we be NATO too? LOL. And that's what we got. 
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Posted: 6/30/2018 10:46:05 AM EDT
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33 years is a long ass European vacation on tax payers' dime. Fuck him. Now we pay his retirement. Forever.
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Posted: 6/30/2018 2:28:39 PM EDT
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Probably hard to do the job when the boss wants to destroy NATO. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 2:32:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's been attacking NATO ever since he went to Moscow in the 80s. He's still completely ignorant about how it works decades later. https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-07/10/17/enhanced/webdr02/original-12123-1436563121-15.png?downsizj8jhttje=715:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto Now he wants to take our troops out of Germany? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-assessing-cost-of-keeping-troops-in-germany-as-trump-battles-with-europe/2018/06/29/94689094-ca9f-490c-b3be-b135970de3fc_story.html?utm_term=.3d5082d8d6b7 sorry your gal lost |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 2:42:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which furthers the interests of the fellow that is busy invading eastern Europe, but whatever I guess. What did we form NATO for again? I use to think you were tolling but I am now convinced that you are a true believer. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 3:01:03 PM EDT
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I’ll do the job and charge half the price of what this guy was getting. Seriously, how hard could it be? Constantly talk flatteringly to the politicians, get drunk at parties, bang hookers. Promise them first world status and leave when the country goes to shit.
Plus the benefits. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 3:04:33 PM EDT
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Shift troops to Poland. Symbolic move in both directions.
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Posted: 6/30/2018 3:07:47 PM EDT
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Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 3:10:03 PM EDT
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NATO has turned into a middle school group project. One kid does the work, one or two help, and the other half dozen don't do shit but expect the same good grade.
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Posted: 6/30/2018 3:17:07 PM EDT
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What would you know about it? Person with... NATO military credentials... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ambassador to Estonia, huh? Not exactly an A-1 gold star posting, LOL. I suppose it IS a step up from ambassador to togo, pago-pago, bora-bora, Gilligan's Island or Sea World, LOL. Its probably a safe bet this guy was a career State guy which means he's a useless toady. If he was somebody worth a crap, he'd have been ambassador to a more important country. No great loss. Estonia is like a lot of former Eastern Bloc countries; democracy is still a shiny new toy and they're going places eventually. With the falling of the wall and the coming of the second russian revolution you'd think they would not need NATO. You'd think, but try being Polish, Slovakian, Czech, Ukraynian. Yeah, them Russkies are still just as scary so please Mr Uncle Sam, don't let that bad bear toss me into the briar patch. Can we be NATO too? LOL. And that's what we got.
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Posted: 6/30/2018 3:30:01 PM EDT
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Who gives a fuck about Estonia?
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Posted: 6/30/2018 3:35:57 PM EDT
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Misread thread title. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 3:58:04 PM EDT
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Who gives a fuck about Estonia? |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:04:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He doesn't actually care about the spending, he's just looking for an excuse to pull out of it. Considering deployments are up to EUCOM, 2nd Fleet is getting reactivated, and we are doing lots of stuff with the Euros, as usually, I'd say your feelings are based upon dodgy facts to start with. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:09:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The US wouldn’t sell M4s when it was time/necessary to get 5.56 rifles though,Bush didn’t want to upset his little buddy but that is another matter. The Galils will almost certainly be replaced by 416s soon,though I was hoping the BREN or MSBS would be picked. Interestingly, despite the Stimson Doctrine and Welles Declaration being perhaps one of the last principled things that State or the Democratic Foreign policy establishment ever did, both groups attempted to walk it back until 1990. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:12:36 PM EDT
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NATO has turned into a middle school group project. One kid does the work, one or two help, and the other half dozen don't do shit but expect the same good grade. Like the Left gave two fucks for any military operation since the Democratic Party tried to keep their slaves. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:13:45 PM EDT
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Who gives a fuck about Estonia? |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:18:06 PM EDT
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Shhhhhhhh. GD does too Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Probably hard to do the job when the boss wants to destroy NATO.
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:22:08 PM EDT
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I don't know the source of this assertation, and I'll accept it for now, but the reality is that vast majority of the "Give the Russians what they want and we'll be friends" camp within American policies circles AREN'T conservatives. ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The US wouldn’t sell M4s when it was time/necessary to get 5.56 rifles though,Bush didn’t want to upset his little buddy but that is another matter. The Galils will almost certainly be replaced by 416s soon,though I was hoping the BREN or MSBS would be picked. ... |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:23:05 PM EDT
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Based upon what, exactly? Considering deployments are up to EUCOM, 2nd Fleet is getting reactivated, and we are doing lots of stuff with the Euros, as usually, I'd say your feelings are based upon dodgy facts to start with. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: He doesn't actually care about the spending, he's just looking for an excuse to pull out of it. Considering deployments are up to EUCOM, 2nd Fleet is getting reactivated, and we are doing lots of stuff with the Euros, as usually, I'd say your feelings are based upon dodgy facts to start with. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:31:34 PM EDT
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Bullshit. He's not resigning over Trump. 33 years he's been in govt, he's just retiring. And probably to avoid something |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:33:31 PM EDT
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Probably hard to do the job when the boss wants to destroy NATO. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:33:46 PM EDT
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Wait is Estonia a real country? I legit thought it was made up. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:47:26 PM EDT
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As a guess, I'll go with: To man their battlements for them, so they can spend more of their efforts on self-pussification and working to undercut us at every opportunity as they turn more socialist and import more heathen enemy to finish the assault the Turks lost at the gates of Vienna in 1683? Who needs a Trojan horse tactic when the country leaders are opening the gates and building express lanes for Moose-lims in? There are none. Zero. There is a worship place that the Sunni and Shi’a have to share but there are so few practicing Muslims that there is no need for an actual mosque. The Uzbeks who were transplanted 50 years ago aren’t practicing,neither are most Tatars so even though there are a few ethnic Muslims,there aren’t very many who are observant. A few years ago,they wanted to move the Islamic center to a storefront downtown and got a big “no”. Estonians are far too xenophobic,racist and culturally chauvinist to allow such a thing,it’s just true. Too much identity is composed of being pork eating,heavy drinking atheists for Islam to be a good fit. To be honest,I’m glad it was disallowed rather than some dumbass make a scene and there be bad publicity. Or you could believe in meme magic and think the caliphate has already been established... |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:47:58 PM EDT
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I'm confused. All I hear here is, Russian equipment sucks, their soldiers are all drunk, and they couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. What am I missing?
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:49:45 PM EDT
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Bullshit. He's not resigning over Trump. 33 years he's been in govt, he's just retiring. And probably to avoid something |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:54:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still trying to figure out what to make of that crowd here, though. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:54:23 PM EDT
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Probably hard to do the job when the boss wants to destroy NATO. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:56:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What international agreements/alliances/treaties has he not tried to blow up at this point? And just the ones State thought were a good idea, regardless if the same could be said for the American people. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 4:58:14 PM EDT
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I'm confused. All I hear here is, Russian equipment sucks, their soldiers are all drunk, and they couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. What am I missing? |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 5:00:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which furthers the interests of the fellow that is busy invading eastern Europe, but whatever I guess. What did we form NATO for again? 
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Posted: 6/30/2018 5:02:57 PM EDT
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Estonia is not a high position, guy probably golfs most of the time.
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Posted: 6/30/2018 5:04:25 PM EDT
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Bfd...ambassadors are basically useless twats that waste taxpayer money All career politicians should be retired...fucking parasites the lot of them.... |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 5:22:37 PM EDT
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These are the facts:
1) NATO couldn't fight its way out of a wet bag. 2) The American Century is over. 3) New powers arise in the world. 4) Adapt or perish. Toomas Ilves lived in a dreamworld, and the dream is now over. The current Estonian government needs to consider a realpolitikal approach to a world, in which America is just another country and not some all-powerful hegemon. Barack Obama, Donald Trump, or Bruce Springsteen aren't going to save Estonia from Russia. What now? That is the question for the policy-makers in Tallinna. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 5:28:33 PM EDT
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Wait is Estonia a real country? I legit thought it was made up. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 5:44:09 PM EDT
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What's next, we lose our Ambassador to EPCOT Center? 
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Posted: 6/30/2018 5:50:45 PM EDT
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These are the facts: 1) NATO couldn't fight its way out of a wet bag. 2) The American Century is over. 3) New powers arise in the world. 4) Adapt or perish. Toomas Ilves lived in a dreamworld, and the dream is now over. The current Estonian government needs to consider a realpolitikal approach to a world, in which America is just another country and not some all-powerful hegemon. Barack Obama, Donald Trump, or Bruce Springsteen aren't going to save Estonia from Russia. What now? That is the question for the policy-makers in Tallinna. Russia is best left to its own devices,whose harm makes the greater harm Russia could cause minimized. On one hand,I wish Russians could be as good of neighbors as everyone else but they don’t have that in them. Therefore,I would rather see all the detriments of a shitty Russia than the detriments of a successful Russia and for that I’m strangely happy with Putin vs a capable alternative. Nobody would stop them from taking the Baltics barring that tiny risk of there may be something other than nasty words at the UN.,like cutting off porn and hooker exports or something more meaningful than the sanctions over Ukraine or fucking around with the US. What would be hilarious would be all the GD experts who would furiously read Wikipedia and RT articles about how they were historically part of Russia until being made pawns of Wall Street Jews and the like. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 6:09:07 PM EDT
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What do you expect. Obama installed a lot of loyal people in his regime. Regime has changed, these people garner no pull with the new one. |
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Posted: 6/30/2018 6:10:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would one drag the line around? Wouldn't it be better to keep a toe on the line? |
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