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Posted: 1/17/2019 9:20:54 AM EDT
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5G causes cancer and mood swings. We still do not know what 4G has been doing to us. Communications Technician here, along with a Grol and MROP. And am trying to get my town to ban it. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 9:31:58 AM EDT
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There isn't even cable access throughout the US and how long has cable been a thing? Even if costs were the same, consumers want wireless. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 9:35:45 AM EDT
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I think we need universal IPv6 before 5G. And 5G is being rolled out. It's just going to take a while. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 9:36:20 AM EDT
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Fast internet is readily available in every decent-sized city in this country. Possibly not at every single address, but... move. Verizon FiOS, AT&T U-verse, etc. pale compared to even the cheapest home internet service in Korea. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 9:40:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess that depends on how you define “fast.” Verizon FiOS, AT&T U-verse, etc. pale compared to even the cheapest home internet service in Korea. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 9:40:56 AM EDT
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Scare tactics so that we allow hostil state run companies like huawei control over our networks. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 9:46:47 AM EDT
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Spacex will have global gigabit internet in 10yrs.
What they gonna say then? |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:12:00 AM EDT
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Shit service levels and ridiculous pricing in the U.S. even now. Telecom monopolies gonna telecom monopoly. I think the US might also have a higher average salary than some of the countries. I pay $50/month for my cell service that is damn fast and very reliable throughout most of the US. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:15:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Studies are inconclusive, and time will tell, but I am putting money on cancer. Also a long-time HAM radio operator. Cancer.org "If RF radiation is absorbed in large enough amounts by materials containing water, such as food, fluids, and body tissues, it can produce heat. This can lead to burns and tissue damage. Although RF radiation does not cause cancer by damaging DNA in cells the way ionizing radiation does, there has been concern that some forms of non-ionizing radiation might have biological effects that could result in cancer in some circumstances." The amount of heat needed to damage DNA would also simply fry your brain. The stupidity level of the average human could not mask that. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:16:31 AM EDT
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dbltap
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:26:02 AM EDT
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Isn't 5G line of sight only? So 5G is super fast but we are still limited by routers between the phone and 5G and roaming cell service will still have to be 4G right?
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:27:31 AM EDT
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Its telling that this Crawford woman says,
" ... her 2013 book "Captive Audience," which warned that the nation's global leadership in internet technology was being frittered away by placing tech policy in the hands of profit-seeking companies with no incentive to keep the U.S. on the leading edge. Sounds like she doesn't like profit, nor private enterprise. She thinks the government ought to be doing this. She be a socialist. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:35:09 AM EDT
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There are factions that know that the more reliant all American are on government, the less likely anyone will risk shutting it down. Imagine the debate right now, for example, if the shit-down meant to internet.
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:40:03 AM EDT
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Its telling that this Crawford woman says, " ... her 2013 book "Captive Audience," which warned that the nation's global leadership in internet technology was being frittered away by placing tech policy in the hands of profit-seeking companies with no incentive to keep the U.S. on the leading edge. Sounds like she doesn't like profit, nor private enterprise. She thinks the government ought to be doing this. She be a socialist. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:40:40 AM EDT
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Isn't 5G line of sight only? So 5G is super fast but we are still limited by routers between the phone and 5G and roaming cell service will still have to be 4G right? |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:46:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would the average user notice any difference between 4g and 5g service?  AT&T VS Verizon 5G Speed Test (My Thoughts) Shocking Results |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:48:17 AM EDT
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American companies dropped the ball on 5G. Cisco and the other should own that industry. But it looks like China will own it, like the Japanese owned the RAM industry in the 80's. The Chinese govt., like Japanese govt., subsidized the 5G tech companies with $ billions so they could control the market. Cisco and other US tech companies received no subsidies. They do it all on their own. They are at fault for dropping the 5G ball, but with Chinese govt. investing $ billions in 5G companies like Huawei, they didn't stand a chance. Huawei won't even disclose their true relationship with the chicom govt. and how much of their company is actually owned by the chicoms. Chinese capitalism is a farce. There is no free trade, no fairness in our relationship with China. Huawei products should be banned from the United States. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:50:12 AM EDT
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I get a phone upgrade next month. Should i wait for 5G?
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:51:14 AM EDT
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Isn't 5G line of sight only? So 5G is super fast but we are still limited by routers between the phone and 5G and roaming cell service will still have to be 4G right?  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:52:15 AM EDT
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I get a phone upgrade next month. Should i wait for 5G? I'd wait, in a year or two the scene will be much more diverse. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:57:33 AM EDT
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https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-crawford-5g-20190109-story.html A trip to the US is like going back to the farm.....S.Korean quote.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1818/A5BBA14F-2AF5-40EE-8D88-DF47DBD6E013_png-810283.JPG This guy says "will", not "might". |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 11:01:18 AM EDT
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I'm with this guy. And am trying to get my town to ban it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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5G causes cancer and mood swings. We still do not know what 4G has been doing to us. Communications Technician here, along with a Grol and MROP. And am trying to get my town to ban it. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 11:32:31 AM EDT
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I get a phone upgrade next month. Should i wait for 5G? |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 11:41:40 AM EDT
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How often do you upgrade? If you upgrade every year or two, I say go ahead. If you upgrade every five years, I'd hold off if your current phone is working fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I get a phone upgrade next month. Should i wait for 5G? |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 11:55:54 AM EDT
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Every time I'm eligible. Unlike the some of the ludites here i use my phone for nearly all aspects of my non work computing life so having the latest tech is beneficial. Outmoded phones can't run the new sites and apps well. Maybe the S10 will be 5G and i can get both. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I get a phone upgrade next month. Should i wait for 5G? |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 12:03:15 PM EDT
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Is 5g going to be the end of data limits? Because if not, it seems pointless.
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Posted: 1/17/2019 12:06:52 PM EDT
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Yeah and South Korea is behind on space exploration and super carriers. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 12:19:10 PM EDT
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Close enough... https://meee-services.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/4G-5G-Technologies-1.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Somebody do me a favor and explain 3G, 4G and 5G. Use small words. Explain as you would a child. https://meee-services.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/4G-5G-Technologies-1.jpg |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 12:23:44 PM EDT
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In the Philippines that's about $8. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I pay $30 a month for unlimited calling, text, and data, including all taxes and fees. So the PHL plan is, on average, FIVE TIMES more expensive than the USA plan. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 12:28:15 PM EDT
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There will never be cable access "throughout" the US because it makes no sense to run cable where population density is incredibly low. State-owned utilities might do something that stupid. That doesn't mean we should emulate their stupidity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There isn't even cable access throughout the US and how long has cable been a thing? State-owned utilities might do something that stupid. That doesn't mean we should emulate their stupidity. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 12:30:35 PM EDT
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5g home internet through Verizon looks pretty nice. $50/month for current customers. There is limited coverage right now but I know they are expanding their network.
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Posted: 1/17/2019 12:31:46 PM EDT
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Is 5g going to be the end of data limits? Because if not, it seems pointless. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 12:33:07 PM EDT
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5G causes cancer and mood swings. We still do not know what 4G has been doing to us. Communications Technician here, along with a Grol and MROP. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 12:33:35 PM EDT
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I'm 2 miles outside of a medium sized town where everyone has cable and I have no cable option. Sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There isn't even cable access throughout the US and how long has cable been a thing? State-owned utilities might do something that stupid. That doesn't mean we should emulate their stupidity. And fiber has gotten a lot cheaper in recent years. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 12:39:40 PM EDT
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Wireless should solve this exact issue. It's a lot cheaper to run a fiber backbone between broadcast towers than to run cable to each individual home. And fiber has gotten a lot cheaper in recent years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There isn't even cable access throughout the US and how long has cable been a thing? State-owned utilities might do something that stupid. That doesn't mean we should emulate their stupidity. And fiber has gotten a lot cheaper in recent years. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 12:52:55 PM EDT
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My phone is currently connected to a 5G network here in Podunk, Arkansas.
Since I never bothered to tap the full potential of 4G, what difference will 5G make? None. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 12:53:52 PM EDT
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I'm perfectly content with 10 Mb/s. iot doesn't even require much bandwidth. We're rural with DSL running about 1-2mbps. We can stream Netflix on two devices and surf the internet on another with no problems (occasional load delay at peak times). Most households couldn't use 50mbps if they tried. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 12:59:20 PM EDT
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My phone is currently connected to a 5G network here in Podunk, Arkansas. Since I never bothered to tap the full potential of 4G, what difference will 5G make? None. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 1:00:24 PM EDT
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I have never once complained about 4g LTE being slow.
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Posted: 1/17/2019 1:02:07 PM EDT
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What phone and service do you have? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My phone is currently connected to a 5G network here in Podunk, Arkansas. Since I never bothered to tap the full potential of 4G, what difference will 5G make? None. https://www.verizonwireless.com/5g/home/ |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 1:02:26 PM EDT
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My phone is currently connected to a 5G network here in Podunk, Arkansas. Since I never bothered to tap the full potential of 4G, what difference will 5G make? None. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 1:05:28 PM EDT
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The world would be a better place if we only had 56k speeds.
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Posted: 1/17/2019 1:07:43 PM EDT
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Being dependent on wireless for my home Internet access, I'll take 5G in a heartbeat, thanks. As PlayStation Network continues to delay IPv6 connectivity, customers who are on CGNAT (carrier-grade NAT) will have to connect through a shared public IPv4 address. This has already caused problems with whole ISPs being automatically blacklisted from Sony due to them stupidly assuming all customers get their own public IPv4 address. So 5G might do wonders for you talking to your ISP. But eventually your legacy IPv4 service will be behind CGNAT, and you'll be screwed on any IPv4-only service provider that needs point-to-point connectivity. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 1:16:33 PM EDT
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If it's AT&T, it's fake 5G. But you're right, very few will ever approach full use of 5G, there are other benefits besides speed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My phone is currently connected to a 5G network here in Podunk, Arkansas. Since I never bothered to tap the full potential of 4G, what difference will 5G make? None. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 1:20:06 PM EDT
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I'm having deja vu here... when 4G rolled out we had the same threads - "I'm on 4G" "It's fake 4G!" |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 1:21:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having deja vu here... when 4G rolled out we had the same threads - "I'm on 4G" "It's fake 4G!" |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 1:30:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having deja vu here... when 4G rolled out we had the same threads - "I'm on 4G" "It's fake 4G!" |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 1:46:13 PM EDT
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If it's AT&T, it's fake 5G. But you're right, very few will ever approach full use of 5G, there are other benefits besides speed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My phone is currently connected to a 5G network here in Podunk, Arkansas. Since I never bothered to tap the full potential of 4G, what difference will 5G make? None. Outside of MIMO for more speed, '5G' brings completely different architecture designs from the current '4G' IMS/LTE 3GPP deploys that every carrier currently uses. This on paper, will also decrease latency/jitter. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 1:48:08 PM EDT
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Nokia (Former Alcatel-Lucent) will be who owns the American 5G space, at least on the infrastructure side.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 1:48:55 PM EDT
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I guess that depends on how you define “fast.” Verizon FiOS, AT&T U-verse, etc. pale compared to even the cheapest home internet service in Korea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fast internet is readily available in every decent-sized city in this country. Possibly not at every single address, but... move. Verizon FiOS, AT&T U-verse, etc. pale compared to even the cheapest home internet service in Korea. |
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