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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:50:05 AM EST
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The Navy always tells us what happened, they just haven't yet. We are the most transparent of all the services in our investigations. Investigations take time and people's rights have to be preserved as fact-finding is done. Once it's done, most Navy investigations are released in some form, if not the results from them are publicly explained. We don't cover shit up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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same outcome as the Fitz is likely, poor guys sacked out and the deck watch murders them, hope I'm wrong when watertight doors are sealed is there any air supply to Berthing? I understand the need to prevent flooding but say the boys were just trapped behind a flooded compartment (if this is even possible on a Burke?), would they run out of oxygen similar to the Kursk? 'The navy says that them thar ship lookers didn't do their job an the capn' was a sleepin so he done need fired also caus was bad shippin' Ya, right. The Navy hasn't told us shit because they don't want anyone to know for sure what happened. We are the most transparent of all the services in our investigations. Investigations take time and people's rights have to be preserved as fact-finding is done. Once it's done, most Navy investigations are released in some form, if not the results from them are publicly explained. We don't cover shit up. Something seems to have fundamentally changed with respect to navigation. How can two ships in such a short amount of time suffer such similar fates? Any hypothesis? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:06:01 AM EST
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@Josh Something seems to have fundamentally changed with respect to navigation. How can two ships in such a short amount of time suffer such similar fates? Any hypothesis? Something about ship driving school or whatever.... Or the Norks are using container ships..... 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:16:33 AM EST
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@Josh Something seems to have fundamentally changed with respect to navigation. How can two ships in such a short amount of time suffer such similar fates? Any hypothesis? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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same outcome as the Fitz is likely, poor guys sacked out and the deck watch murders them, hope I'm wrong when watertight doors are sealed is there any air supply to Berthing? I understand the need to prevent flooding but say the boys were just trapped behind a flooded compartment (if this is even possible on a Burke?), would they run out of oxygen similar to the Kursk? 'The navy says that them thar ship lookers didn't do their job an the capn' was a sleepin so he done need fired also caus was bad shippin' Ya, right. The Navy hasn't told us shit because they don't want anyone to know for sure what happened. We are the most transparent of all the services in our investigations. Investigations take time and people's rights have to be preserved as fact-finding is done. Once it's done, most Navy investigations are released in some form, if not the results from them are publicly explained. We don't cover shit up. Something seems to have fundamentally changed with respect to navigation. How can two ships in such a short amount of time suffer such similar fates? Any hypothesis? Hard to say beyond that. These two incidents have little in common outside of the fact they're both flight 1 DDGs that got hit. We'll have to wait for the investigations to know what really happened. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:32:04 AM EST
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What a clusterfuck. I hope the sailors are found and OK. They are going too run out of DDG's at this rate.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 5:51:58 AM EST
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Some additional pictures released by 7th Fleet |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 5:52:11 AM EST
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better image of the damage
that's a pretty sharp angle for the collision to occur at. how the heck could this have happened? edit looks like birdman and I were both posting about the same time |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 6:24:33 AM EST
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In the Air Force, mishaps always seem to happen in strings of three. I hope that's not the case for the Navy, and that this collision is minor. 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 6:27:24 AM EST
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June 17, 2017: Seven sailors were killed when the Fitzgerald, a destroyer, was broadsided by a Philippines-registered cargo ship, about 60 miles off the coast of Japan. A Navy report released in August found that within 90 seconds of the collision, seawater began rushing through a gaping hole in the starboard hull, filling berths in which sailors had been sleeping. In response to the report’s findings, which blamed the ship’s crew, the Navy relieved two senior officers. May 9, 2017: A 60- to 70-foot South Korean fishing boat collided with the Lake Champlain, a guided-missile cruiser, on its port side while the cruiser was conducting routine operations in international waters. No one was injured. Fishing boat crew members later said the fishing vessel did not have a radio, so they did not hear the calls from the Navy, a Navy official said at the time. February 1, 2017: The USS Antietam, a US Navy Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser, damaged its propellers and spilled hydraulic oil into the water after running aground off the coast of Japan. The incident, which occurred Tuesday while the ship was anchoring in Tokyo Bay near Yokosuka, Japan, did not result in any injuries to US or Japanese personnel, but the discharge of up to 1,100 gallons of hydraulic oil prompted environmental concerns. Aug. 19, 2016: The Louisiana, a nuclear ballistic-missile submarine, and the Eagleview, a Military Sealift Command support vessel, collided while conducting routine operations in the Strait of Juan de Fuca off the coast of Washington State. There was damage to the hulls of both the Eagleview and the Louisiana. No one was injured. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 6:46:09 AM EST
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Everyone is blaming the Navy ship (as of pg 2), but what if some idiot civi crew decided to drink and play xbox and went into them? The damage seems consistant with someone else hitting them. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 6:50:24 AM EST
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Remember the Cole? It doesn't take much to fuck up a Navy ship. Materials are limited in their ability to withstand such forces. When a car gets hit by a train or a tractor trailer do we say "It doesn't take much to fuck up a car."? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 6:58:06 AM EST
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:01:02 AM EST
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:02:38 AM EST
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the dude on the news said officers aren't getting the required training like they used to.... Something about ship driving school or whatever.... Or the Norks are using container ships..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@Josh Something seems to have fundamentally changed with respect to navigation. How can two ships in such a short amount of time suffer such similar fates? Any hypothesis? Something about ship driving school or whatever.... Or the Norks are using container ships..... CDR Sal's Thursday posts are fun. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:07:06 AM EST
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Prayers sent for those who lost their lives in service to our nation.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:27:59 AM EST
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I am afraid you are correct. SWOs have a hard enough time learning to drive a ship as it is on their reduced timelines. I am not sure how the past 8 years of confusing at best training demands and non-sailing duties have eroded their ship handling skills. and thats about as nicely as I can put what is really running through my head. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If this collision is the McCain's fault (and no matter what happened they share in the collision) then I think that all SWO watchstanders must be required to take and pass the same tests that merchant mariners are required to take. I don't know what involved to be a SWO to be honest but what ever it is, it's not working. I am not sure how the past 8 years of confusing at best training demands and non-sailing duties have eroded their ship handling skills. and thats about as nicely as I can put what is really running through my head. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:32:45 AM EST
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Is this a joke? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/284035/McCainFatherandGrandfather-285983.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He has a boat named after him? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/284035/McCainFatherandGrandfather-285983.JPG |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:44:26 AM EST
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mcmaster, of course
Source: McMaster Fails to Brief Trump Before ‘That’s Too Bad’ Error
A source with direct knowledge of these matters tells Breitbart News that the senior staff at the White House, including National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, did not brief President Donald Trump on the collision the Navy destroyer USS John McCain had with an oil tanker near Singapore before he originally seemingly dismissed the incident saying, “that’s too bad.” Trump later, after receiving more information on it, tweeted that he hopes for the best for the lost sailors. The collision left 10 sailors missing and another five injured. “That’s too bad,” Trump said when responding to shouted press questions about the collision of the USS John McCain with an oil tanker, per a White House pool report earlier in the evening. ... |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:53:10 AM EST
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mcmaster, of course Source: McMaster Fails to Brief Trump Before ‘That’s Too Bad’ Error
A source with direct knowledge of these matters tells Breitbart News that the senior staff at the White House, including National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, did not brief President Donald Trump on the collision the Navy destroyer USS John McCain had with an oil tanker near Singapore before he originally seemingly dismissed the incident saying, “that’s too bad.” Trump later, after receiving more information on it, tweeted that he hopes for the best for the lost sailors. The collision left 10 sailors missing and another five injured. “That’s too bad,” Trump said when responding to shouted press questions about the collision of the USS John McCain with an oil tanker, per a White House pool report earlier in the evening. ... 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:58:21 AM EST
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All joking aside..............WTF is going on with this McMaster!!?? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:02:35 AM EST
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Why blame McMaster for Trump running his mouth on Twitter? Because the President should learn things from his staff before he hears about them on the news. The presidents reaction was the same as everyone elses before we knew there were casualties. the question is why the president learns things at the same speed as every day citizens. And that would fall on the National Security Advisor or SECDEF (though NSA's primary role as advisor to the president makes him #1 on the list.) Trump doesn't take public transportation. Doesn't mean you have to become unhinged. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:06:48 AM EST
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Because the President should learn things from his staff before he hears about them on the news. The presidents reaction was the same as everyone elses before we knew there were casualties. the question is why the president learns things at the same speed as every day citizens. And that would fall on the National Security Advisor or SECDEF (though NSA's primary role as advisor to the president makes him #1 on the list.) Trump doesn't take public transportation. Doesn't mean you have to become unhinged. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:09:13 AM EST
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Because the President should learn things from his staff before he hears about them on the news. The presidents reaction was the same as everyone elses before we knew there were casualties. the question is why the president learns things at the same speed as every day citizens. And that would fall on the National Security Advisor or SECDEF (though NSA's primary role as advisor to the president makes him #1 on the list.) Trump doesn't take public transportation. Doesn't mean you have to become unhinged. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why blame McMaster for Trump running his mouth on Twitter? The presidents reaction was the same as everyone elses before we knew there were casualties. the question is why the president learns things at the same speed as every day citizens. And that would fall on the National Security Advisor or SECDEF (though NSA's primary role as advisor to the president makes him #1 on the list.) Trump doesn't take public transportation. Doesn't mean you have to become unhinged. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:09:36 AM EST
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Why blame McMaster for Trump running his mouth on Twitter? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:11:11 AM EST
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My thoughts are with the Sailors and the families of the crew. Hopefully they are able to find and recover their missing Shipmates.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:13:35 AM EST
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And the answer is because most Presidents aren't trolling twitter in real time. but, I guess your comments just show your continued disdain for Trump edit lost quote |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:13:38 AM EST
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And the answer is because most Presidents aren't trolling twitter in real time. yeah. Trump has to stop tweeting. He'll never get the nomination. trump communicates directly to the American people bypassing the filters of the MSM. obviously this is a problem for some people, the only question is why. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:16:06 AM EST
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yeah. Trump has to stop tweeting. He'll never get the nomination. trump communicates directly to the American people bypassing the filters of the MSM. obviously this is a problem for some people, the only question is why. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:17:01 AM EST
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Why blame McMaster for Trump running his mouth on Twitter? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All joking aside..............WTF is going on with this McMaster!!?? Why wouldn't he tell Trump that very important factual stuff??? Is McMaster stupid or nefarious...................? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:19:45 AM EST
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And McCain, like Fitzgerald is an FDNF ship. They tend to spend more time underway than CONUS-based ships, so in general, this crew *should* be better at basic seamanship and navigation than the average crew. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If this collision is the McCain's fault (and no matter what happened they share in the collision) then I think that all SWO watchstanders must be required to take and pass the same tests that merchant mariners are required to take. I don't know what involved to be a SWO to be honest but what ever it is, it's not working. I am not sure how the past 8 years of confusing at best training demands and non-sailing duties have eroded their ship handling skills. and thats about as nicely as I can put what is really running through my head. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:31:54 AM EST
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Well, the gist of the post that made me ask the question is McMaster did NOT inform Trump of the tragic injuries and the LOSS at sea of 10 sailors!!! Why wouldn't he tell Trump that very important factual stuff??? Is McMaster stupid or nefarious...................? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:32:15 AM EST
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Prayers for the missing and wounded. Does it frighten anyone else how badly and easily damaged these "fighting" ships are?? WTF happen if they take one single missile strike? Mine or torpedo?? I'm guessing total loss. They are built to dish it out, not take punishment. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:34:20 AM EST
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Why blame McMaster for Trump running his mouth on Twitter? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:35:42 AM EST
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It's a problem because he keeps embarrassing himself. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:37:22 AM EST
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So 10 sailors missing means this bullshit is some how acceptable?
I expect my Navy paid for with my tax dollars to be able to navigate any and all Oceans on the planet. Obummer gutted Mil leadership and those chickens are coming home to roost. 10 missing sailors only adds tremendously to the disaster, it does make this shit acceptable or cool. You have no idea what you are talking about. Read the posts of the actual Sailors, learn and stop exposing your own ignorance. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:39:44 AM EST
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Well, the gist of the post that made me ask the question is McMaster did NOT inform Trump of the tragic injuries and the LOSS at sea of 10 sailors!!! Why wouldn't he tell Trump that very important factual stuff??? Is McMaster stupid or nefarious...................? I don't know if McMaster briefed him at all before the president tweeted. The president operates on an optempo that is unheard of. He is always awake, always checking news feeds. I don't think McMaster is running the NSC as the president requires to match his battle rhythem. Which is surprising. McMaster knows the staff supports the commander and should know how to get the information to the president faster than uncleared news. When the commander looks bad, it is always on the staff. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:40:02 AM EST
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better image of the damage http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/660/0/660%20mccain%20wrek_20170821_045141.jpg that's a pretty sharp angle for the collision to occur at. how the heck could this have happened? edit looks like birdman and I were both posting about the same time Looks like a crossing situation, the tanker shooting for stern passage, miscalculated the CPA. The MCCAIN would be the stand on vessel. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:40:41 AM EST
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:42:44 AM EST
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they need to start using that 5inch gun
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:43:55 AM EST
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Why blame McMaster for Trump running his mouth on Twitter? The presidents reaction was the same as everyone elses before we knew there were casualties. the question is why the president learns things at the same speed as every day citizens. And that would fall on the National Security Advisor or SECDEF (though NSA's primary role as advisor to the president makes him #1 on the list.) Trump doesn't take public transportation. Doesn't mean you have to become unhinged. 
ETA That's not all of Trump's tweet. You've taken it out of context. He also tweeted this: Thoughts & prayers are w/ our @USNavy sailors aboard the #USSJohnSMcCain where search & rescue efforts are underway. http://www.cpf.navy.mil/news.aspx/130185 … 11:01 PM - Aug 20, 2017 |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:43:58 AM EST
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And McCain, like Fitzgerald is an FDNF ship. They tend to spend more time underway than CONUS-based ships, so in general, this crew *should* be better at basic seamanship and navigation than the average crew. Possible the same issue that aviation deals with with experienced aircrews in familiar areas, complacency. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:45:22 AM EST
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Destroyer = Eggshell armed with a sledgehammer. They are built to dish it out, not take punishment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Prayers for the missing and wounded. Does it frighten anyone else how badly and easily damaged these "fighting" ships are?? WTF happen if they take one single missile strike? Mine or torpedo?? I'm guessing total loss. They are built to dish it out, not take punishment. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:45:56 AM EST
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Possible the same issue that aviation deals with with experienced aircrews in familiar areas, complacency. For the past 8 years it appeared the Navy prioritized things other than competency. While I can't speak to the specifics of any of these cases, I am genuinely concerned that the ramifications of those misguided priorities are "coming home to roost" |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:51:35 AM EST
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Does anyone believe those sailors are actually missing? I suspect they're still where they took their last breath.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:56:03 AM EST
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An airplane crashes and it's automatically because the pilot fucked up? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:56:15 AM EST
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An airplane crashes and it's automatically because the pilot fucked up? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:58:23 AM EST
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For the past 8 years it appeared the Navy prioritized things other than competency. While I can't speak to the specifics of any of these cases, I am genuinely concerned that the ramifications of those misguided priorities are "coming home to roost" |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:16:39 AM EST
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was this video posted?
https://youtu.be/kn8T_9JkTp0 at the beginning, you can see the deck of the boat thats taking this video. Looks like a piece of junk fishing boat. how come they would let that get so close to their ship? prayers for the missing. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:21:27 AM EST
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between the down sizing that occured during clinton's time, continued during bush's time, and sped up when obama did his sequestration cutbacks, the sjw/feelz influence on the military, and the people leaving services instead of signing for additional years, there are probably lots of under qualified/ experienced people in many position |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:26:04 AM EST
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For the past 8 years it appeared the Navy prioritized things other than competency. While I can't speak to the specifics of any of these cases, I am genuinely concerned that the ramifications of those misguided priorities are "coming home to roost" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Possible the same issue that aviation deals with with experienced aircrews in familiar areas, complacency. It is almost like a "given".....................??? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:35:02 AM EST
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I ain't military..........so you tell me...........I have always believed that libtards are UTTERLY incapable of defending ANY nation adequately that they are in charge of. It is almost like a "given".....................??? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Possible the same issue that aviation deals with with experienced aircrews in familiar areas, complacency. It is almost like a "given".....................??? The motherfuckers gave a pallet of cash to fucking Iran! Jimmy Carter has sucked every anti-American dick he could get his teeth over. And on and on and on. |
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