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Quoted: It's going to cost us $634 billion dollars over the next 10 years (okay, 8) to maintain our nuclear arsenal in good working order (which admittedly has a lot of issues of its own) but a "Somalia" equivalent is going to accomplish the same thing? View Quote According to the Federation of American Scientist, Russia has 4500 ballistic capable nukes. What percentage of those have to not work to make you feel comfortable? 99%? That’s still 450 capable of hitting the US. Never mind they could sell them off or give them to another third world hole with even less love for the USA. |
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Quoted: You don’t think any of Russia’s ~5900 nukes are functional??? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: That's predicated on the assumption they're functional. Why would you assume that? You don’t think any of Russia’s ~5900 nukes are functional??? Did I say that? |
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Quoted: According to the Federation of American Scientist, Russia has 4500 ballistic capable nukes. What percentage of those have to not work to make you feel comfortable? 99%? That’s still 450 capable of hitting the US. Never mind they could sell them off or give them to another third world hole with even less love for the USA. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It's going to cost us $634 billion dollars over the next 10 years (okay, 8) to maintain our nuclear arsenal in good working order (which admittedly has a lot of issues of its own) but a "Somalia" equivalent is going to accomplish the same thing? According to the Federation of American Scientist, Russia has 4500 ballistic capable nukes. What percentage of those have to not work to make you feel comfortable? 99%? That’s still 450 capable of hitting the US. Never mind they could sell them off or give them to another third world hole with even less love for the USA. You're posting this number you found with a Google search with no idea what it really means. The rest of your post is twaddle. |
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Quoted: You're posting this number you found with a Google search with no idea what it really means. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: You're posting this number you found with a Google search with no idea what it really means. So, those numbers are wrong? What are their numbers then? From the article… Of the remaining 4,500 or so, most are considered strategic nuclear weapons - ballistic missiles, or rockets, which can be targeted over long distances. These are the weapons usually associated with nuclear war. |
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Quoted: So I can write that off for my tax returns, right? I already fund state welfare, I don’t want to fund war welfare Shit economy and their military power is laughable. What do we gain again? View Quote A chance to have American companies consolidate the Russia positions in oil, gas, and grain for starters, probably a lot of other stuff. Further bonus is Europe and the Med area can more easily make up for disrupted supply chains, Asia, especially China and Africa will have much harder times because ports out of Russia at maxed out. This could be a nice chip to toss on the negotiating table if China needs something. |
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The Ukebros here are so irrational and abrasive that I’m convinced they are actually Russian propagandists.
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Quoted: I have no problem going on record that Ukrainians who are willing to fight and die for their freedom are infinitely better people than useless American welfare sponges. I'd gladly trade every Ukrainian bleeding to be free for every useless EBT sponge. You seem to prefer welfare leaches soaking up your tax dollars though, which is entirely your prerogative. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The one you've put on display, of course. Agreed. That you care more about Ukraine than American citizens. Your comments say it all. Especially with the red herring argument. It's pathetic. I have no problem going on record that Ukrainians who are willing to fight and die for their freedom are infinitely better people than useless American welfare sponges. I'd gladly trade every Ukrainian bleeding to be free for every useless EBT sponge. You seem to prefer welfare leaches soaking up your tax dollars though, which is entirely your prerogative. Do you think people on disability should just be told "tough break, go die, we need money for Ukraine!." Or how about a family that has fallen on hard times, and their kid has cancer and gets assistance from the government? You talk about "useless leaches". I have worked alongside working poor people, who work double shifts, at minimum wage. They appear effectively stuck at a job that even I *myself* couldn't last at because the chemical burns were too much for me to handle. Working in 120 degree weather, risking nasty injuries, for near minimum wage. Many of those people, I guarantee you, were collecting some form of government assistance. Some of the hardest working people I've ever met, were dirt fucking poor. I agree there are useless eaters out there who do take advantage of every program available, including the aforementioned EBT. But there is a metric shit ton of people out there collecting benefits who work bottom of the barrel jobs for shit pay. Many of them frequently work double shifts. The hardest jobs I've ever worked, were low paid shit work. It really seems like the harder you work, the less you get paid. The Left wing narrative that Welfare Queens don't exist... is just as much a lie as the Right wing narrative that *EVERYONE* who so much as collects a single dime is just someone who doesn't want to work. Then theres people who are legitimately disabled, who frankly, I don't begrudge for getting assistance. |
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Quoted: Cowardice lol. Ok Chief. It's borderline hilarious watching all the Uke Bros meltdown when you say you want Americans put before Ukrainians. View Quote Yes, cowardice. Could be worse: you could straight up support Russia and their genocide so at least you have that going for you. |
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Quoted: If it’s already paid for then why the need for billions every week? It’s free right? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It absolutely is. Much of the aid sent was stuff that was paid for years or even decades ago. It was already paid for, regardless of whether it got sent to Ukraine. Much of that was going to incur an expenditure for replacement no matter if it got sent overseas to Ukraine or not. Literally the only way to reduce that spending would have been to downsize the military. If it’s already paid for then why the need for billions every week? It’s free right? The number is mostly an acounting figure. Its the US proclaiming to the west look how swell we are we donated X amount of supplies. You have seen the stories that the Biden admin has twice turned around and revised the initially claimed numbers down at least twice so they can make further donations because they had hit their donations limit cap passed by congress. They just announced calling it an accounting error because we claimed the cost of new equipment and didnt account the depreciated value of things like 30 year old M113s or munitions at end of life. These things dont impact the US military because they already retired the gear, and its basically spares until it gets scrapped. This is an example: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-send-kyiv-first-200-mln-arms-freed-by-62-bln-accounting-error-2023-08-07/ Few things are actual modern issued gear. |
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Quoted: So, those numbers are wrong? What are their numbers then? From the article… View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You're posting this number you found with a Google search with no idea what it really means. So, those numbers are wrong? What are their numbers then? From the article… Of the remaining 4,500 or so, most are considered strategic nuclear weapons - ballistic missiles, or rockets, which can be targeted over long distances. These are the weapons usually associated with nuclear war. Christ, did Kamala Harris write your source material? Okay, I'll humor you. Your faulty math could start with the fact that only 1549 are actually deployed per treaty. Then you can move on to the fact that with China as a neighbor, Russia will most certainly not be aiming all 1549 warheads at us. Then you can move on to the fact that most of those remaining will be tasked as first strike and aimed at our nuclear assets, most all of which we wisely put in the middle of nowhere for that very reason. And then we arrive to how many of those 1549 actually work given that "Somalia" is maintaining them while we're spending $634 billion over the next decade on our smaller inventory. |
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Quoted: The Ukebros here are so irrational and abrasive that I'm convinced they are actually Russian propagandists. View Quote Their obnoxious advocacy and worship of all things Ukraine is so insufferable that it makes me want Ukraine to hurry up and lose. I'm convinced they must be Russian agents now. That is some insane psyops, and I fell for it hard |
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Quoted: Well "lukus" has spoken. Time for 70% of arfcom that is tired of taxpayer money being given to ukraine to admit we're all wrong! View Quote |
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Quoted: Not for me. In my situation, I actually earned more on my refund this year than I paid in taxes last year. I don't really know why other than I'm on SSDI. Also, that $900 isn't coming out of anyones pockets. They print off more $$$ whenever they need it. It's why inflation is high right now, it started with all the Covid $$$ they printed up. View Quote |
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Quoted: Christ, did Kamala Harris write your source material? Okay, I'll humor you. Your faulty math could start with the fact that only 1549 are actually deployed per treaty. Then you can move on to the fact that with China as a neighbor, Russia will most certainly not be aiming all 1549 warheads at us. Then you can move on to the fact that most of those remaining will be tasked as first strike and aimed at our nuclear assets, most all of which we wisely put in the middle of nowhere for that very reason. And then we arrive to how many of those 1549 actually work given that "Somalia" is maintaining them while we're spending $634 billion over the next decade to our lower number of them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Christ, did Kamala Harris write your source material? Okay, I'll humor you. Your faulty math could start with the fact that only 1549 are actually deployed per treaty. Then you can move on to the fact that with China as a neighbor, Russia will most certainly not be aiming all 1549 warheads at us. Then you can move on to the fact that most of those remaining will be tasked as first strike and aimed at our nuclear assets, most all of which we wisely put in the middle of nowhere for that very reason. And then we arrive to how many of those 1549 actually work given that "Somalia" is maintaining them while we're spending $634 billion over the next decade to our lower number of them. So, you find it acceptable that if only 1% work it’s all good that they nuke 154 American and NATO cities and military installations (that quite a few are near or in large cities)? That’s some serious gambling with millions of lives and horrific destruction just to appease your love for this war. Your faulty math could start with the fact that only 1549 are actually deployed per treaty. And by treaty, do you mean a treaty that you claim Russia would never abide by to begin with? You are mentally ill. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Not everyone who collects some form of government assistance is a "leach". Yes they are. No exception. There are people on this very forum who have received government assistance because they have a child with a serious illness and couldn't afford health insurance. |
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Quoted: "We are not about to send American boys 9 or 10 thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves." Lyndon Baines Johnson, October 21, 1964 View Quote |
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Quoted: Lol, those posts are always self defeating because the bits they add trying to peer pressure or shame people just make it sound unpleasant and annoying. Maybe they can have their HOA send Russia a letter of reprimand or something View Quote |
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Quoted: Considering most of you are little more than political contrarians, simply want to watch shit burn, or outright want Russia to destroy Ukraine and see them genocided.. hes right. You people have claimed its all to get money to Biden yet Russians, Russian stooges, and the Chinese paid Biden. You people claim 'but the US can't afford it' when 50 or more cents of every dollar you pay in taxes goes to welfare. It all shows just how poor your arguments are. View Quote |
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Quoted: So, you find it acceptable that if only 1% work it’s all good that they nuke 154 American and NATO cities and military installations (that quite a few are near or in large cities)? That’s some serious gambling with millions of lives and horrific destruction just to appease your love for this war. You are mentally ill. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Christ, did Kamala Harris write your source material? Okay, I'll humor you. Your faulty math could start with the fact that only 1549 are actually deployed per treaty. Then you can move on to the fact that with China as a neighbor, Russia will most certainly not be aiming all 1549 warheads at us. Then you can move on to the fact that most of those remaining will be tasked as first strike and aimed at our nuclear assets, most all of which we wisely put in the middle of nowhere for that very reason. And then we arrive to how many of those 1549 actually work given that "Somalia" is maintaining them while we're spending $634 billion over the next decade to our lower number of them. So, you find it acceptable that if only 1% work it’s all good that they nuke 154 American and NATO cities and military installations (that quite a few are near or in large cities)? That’s some serious gambling with millions of lives and horrific destruction just to appease your love for this war. You are mentally ill. Do you even weapons effects and blast radius bro? |
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Quoted: So if someone got hurt on the job... became paralyzed... they're a leach? Would you be OK going to Hospitals telling parents who can't afford $2000/mo for Health Insurance... "Sorry your kid has cancer... but you're a piece of shit for taking assistance. You should honorably just let your kid die" There are people on this very forum who have received government assistance because they have a child with a serious illness and couldn't afford health insurance. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not everyone who collects some form of government assistance is a "leach". Yes they are. No exception. There are people on this very forum who have received government assistance because they have a child with a serious illness and couldn't afford health insurance. I will be not okay with it just as soon as you can show me the Federal government's responsibility for those things. Because I can very easily go and show you the Federal government's responsibility for national defense, which Russia has openly threatened for decades. |
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Quoted: And you don't think $900 is a cheap price to absolutely destroy the Russian military? View Quote The Mr. Rogers version of the conflict. The biggest retard slav inbred cousin nation is whoopin' his father/uncle slav rapist. Yeah let's get all emotionally involved in that Ukebois, sounds normal. Burt ther urks urvayded der surverang kuntrty!!! I know buddy. "Puuurtin Der dervil!!" Yeah!! hi-five Faded that's two cogent thoughts in a row!!!! "Furkya pooootin urgent!!" Tomato bisque runs off chin. |
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Quoted: interesting join date. Wonder whose throw away account you are View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Lol, those posts are always self defeating because the bits they add trying to peer pressure or shame people just make it sound unpleasant and annoying. Maybe they can have their HOA send Russia a letter of reprimand or something You haven't even seen his posts defending pedophilia... The sooner staff takes out this trash the better. |
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Quoted: Hey look, a red herring argument. How pathetic. EBT benefits American citizens. It keeps food in American citizens mouths. Get out of here with this argument, it's idiotic. Ukraine is not America. Ukranian orcs are not American citizens. View Quote |
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Quoted: The Mr. Rogers version of the conflict. The biggest retard slav inbred cousin nation is whoopin' his father/uncle slav rapist. Yeah let's get all emotionally involved in that Ukebois, sounds normal. Burt ther urks urvayded der surverang kuntrty!!! I know buddy. "Puuurtin Der dervil!!" Yeah!! hi-five Faded that's two cogent thoughts in a row!!!! "Furkya pooootin urgent!!" Tomato bisque runs off chin. View Quote Lol, you owe me a new Putin calendar. Just spit vodka all over it reading this post. |
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Most of you easily re-programmable fucktards were born in, and raised under an umbrella of peace and security provided by MASSIVE WWII and Cold War era spending, which was way more fucked up and way more expensive than $900 per person.
Korea? Policing action. Vietnam? Policing action. Panama/Grenada? Cool story, Gramps. Gulf War I? (congratulations, no one actually gives a fuck when it was 96 hours of ground combat) Bosnia/Kosovo? Cool story, Gramps. Afghanistan? Some may have more or less cool stories to tell, but after 20 years, we traded the Taliban...for the Taliban. Iraq? We did a decent job, even if it started under false pretenses, and then the Iraqis couldn't stop murdering each other and ISIS came around. I guess let's call that a draw for the middle east, as opposed to a loss? But now all the big brains have problems when Russia (those same motherfuckers since 1917) decides to be assholes again...because something something Joe Biden? Absolutely ACE strategic thinking there guys. I am SO GLAD your crowd are mostly retired and yelling at the television or at clouds. |
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Quoted: Not everyone who collects some form of government assistance is a "leach". Do you think people on disability should just be told "tough break, go die, we need money for Ukraine!." Or how about a family that has fallen on hard times, and their kid has cancer and gets assistance from the government? You talk about "useless leaches". I have worked alongside working poor people, who work double shifts, at minimum wage. They appear effectively stuck at a job that even I *myself* couldn't last at because the chemical burns were too much for me to handle. Working in 120 degree weather, risking nasty injuries, for near minimum wage. Many of those people, I guarantee you, were collecting some form of government assistance. Some of the hardest working people I've ever met, were dirt fucking poor. I agree there are useless eaters out there who do take advantage of every program available, including the aforementioned EBT. But there is a metric shit ton of people out there collecting benefits who work bottom of the barrel jobs for shit pay. Many of them frequently work double shifts. The hardest jobs I've ever worked, were low paid shit work. It really seems like the harder you work, the less you get paid. The Left wing narrative that Welfare Queens don't exist... is just as much a lie as the Right wing narrative that *EVERYONE* who so much as collects a single dime is just someone who doesn't want to work. Then theres people who are legitimately disabled, who frankly, I don't begrudge for getting assistance. View Quote A really good post and I agree based on what I have seen and experienced personally earlier in life. I'm blessed that I have a great job and the ability to invest considering a large percentage of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, or end up in huge debt. |
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Russia can stop the US government sending taxpayer money to Ukraine at any time by withdrawing their troops and paying for reconstruction of Ukraine.
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Quoted: Where are our sub bases, major military bases like Ft. Bliss, Davis Monthan, Luke AFB, Camp Pendleton, Coronado, and so on? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Do you even weapons effects and blast radius bro? Where are our sub bases, major military bases like Ft. Bliss, Davis Monthan, Luke AFB, Camp Pendleton, Coronado, and so on? You think Russia is going to launch nukes at a junk yard when they have, by your own math, 154 functional warheads to go around between the US, NATO, and China? ETA: And per your edit, if Russia isn't abiding by the treaty it signed, I suppose it is, de facto, a threat we should be using any and all means to mitigate. |
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Quoted: The last several decades of people supporting your tu quoque fallacy is why we are $32 trillion in debt, pat yourself on the back View Quote |
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Quoted: You think Russia is going to launch nukes at a junk yard when they have, by your own math, 154 functional warheads to go around between the US, NATO, and China? ETA: And per your edit, if Russia isn't abiding by the treaty it signed, I suppose it is, de facto, a threat we should be using any and all means to mitigate. View Quote And you are willing to risk it just so you can sit in front of your computer and cheer on your “team” just like it’s some football game. Serious, you’re that fired up, go to Ukraine, sign up to fight for them and get some skin in the game. |
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Quoted: Obama and Trump added 8 trillion dollars to the debt each. Biden will likely add that in a 4 year term regardless of Ukraine. Remember, he signed 6 trillion in spending over a year before it kicked off. But sure tell me how Ukraine is what is driving the US further into debt and that its somehow fiscally responsible to not provide aid (and loans) to a country that actually likes us. View Quote |
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Quoted: And you are willing to risk it just so you can sit in front of your computer and cheer on your “team” just like it’s some football game. Serious, you’re that fired up, go to Ukraine, sign up to fight for them and get some skin in the game. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You think Russia is going to launch nukes at a junk yard when they have, by your own math, 154 functional warheads to go around between the US, NATO, and China? ETA: And per your edit, if Russia isn't abiding by the treaty it signed, I suppose it is, de facto, a threat we should be using any and all means to mitigate. And you are willing to risk it just so you can sit in front of your computer and cheer on your “team” just like it’s some football game. Serious, you’re that fired up, go to Ukraine, sign up to fight for them and get some skin in the game. You're goddamn straight I am. Have some balls and don't be such a fucking pussy. China is watching and you're scaring the children. muh nukez! |
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Quoted: You haven't even seen his posts defending pedophilia... The sooner staff takes out this trash the better. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lol, those posts are always self defeating because the bits they add trying to peer pressure or shame people just make it sound unpleasant and annoying. Maybe they can have their HOA send Russia a letter of reprimand or something You haven't even seen his posts defending pedophilia... The sooner staff takes out this trash the better. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lol, those posts are always self defeating because the bits they add trying to peer pressure or shame people just make it sound unpleasant and annoying. Maybe they can have their HOA send Russia a letter of reprimand or something You haven't even seen his posts defending pedophilia... The sooner staff takes out this trash the better. Do your own homework, I'm not a search engine. https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2663940_Highway-to-Hell-Ukraine-Loses-2-040-Men-Since-Friday-Scott-Ritter-NATO-and-Ukraine-Generals-Knew.html |
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Quoted: What exactly did he say? Proof? View Quote That Ritter was not by definition a pedo for communicating with an officer posing as a teenager who is old enough to get married in a lot of NATO. Not that what he did was good, lol. Some of these guys are into Ritter like he stole their spot as pepper spray salesman of the year or something |
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Quoted: I support American tax dollars supporting American citizens. It explains so much that you take issue with that. View Quote |
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Quoted: You're goddamn straight I am. Have some balls and don't be such a fucking pussy. China is watching and you're scaring the children. muh nukez! View Quote Big difference between the USA fighting a war, and your cause of the day. As to being a pussy, like I said, go on over there, sign up and get after it, or are you the pussy? Step on up and put your money where your mouth is. |
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Quoted: Do your own homework, I'm not a search engine. https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2663940_Highway-to-Hell-Ukraine-Loses-2-040-Men-Since-Friday-Scott-Ritter-NATO-and-Ukraine-Generals-Knew.html View Quote You made a claim...back it up. A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. ETA: Nevermind. I see you linked to it |
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Quoted: Do your own homework, I'm not a search engine. https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2663940_Highway-to-Hell-Ukraine-Loses-2-040-Men-Since-Friday-Scott-Ritter-NATO-and-Ukraine-Generals-Knew.html View Quote It doesn't matter and is irrelevant Americans are $900 poorer due to Ukraine Stay on topic |
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