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Posted: 11/18/2022 7:44:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are not wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My first wife was of German heritage. She brought me there in the late 80s to visit extended family. When sober they condemned the Nazis and Hitler. After a few drinks it changed to "Yes they were extreme but they had some good ideas".............. I am willing to bet there are quite a few like this in Ukraine. There's probably some radical Muslims in the UK that would like to kill you as well. Probably some black dudes in Detroit and some Chicanos in Chicago as well. You are not wrong. Point being if there was a bunch of Ukrainian Nazis what were the actively doing to invite a invasion of their country? |
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Posted: 11/18/2022 7:46:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/18/2022 7:51:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Point being if there was a bunch of Ukrainian Nazis what were the actively doing to invite a invasion of their country? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My first wife was of German heritage. She brought me there in the late 80s to visit extended family. When sober they condemned the Nazis and Hitler. After a few drinks it changed to "Yes they were extreme but they had some good ideas".............. I am willing to bet there are quite a few like this in Ukraine. There's probably some radical Muslims in the UK that would like to kill you as well. Probably some black dudes in Detroit and some Chicanos in Chicago as well. You are not wrong. Point being if there was a bunch of Ukrainian Nazis what were the actively doing to invite a invasion of their country? My point was - for some it will just be a morale patch. For others it will have a deeper meaning. |
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Posted: 11/18/2022 7:59:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know about everyone else, but if Ukraine had built itself a massive army, threatened its neighbors, launched an unprovoked attack on Russia, driven to the gates of Moscow, and was murdering and kidnapping Russians, then I would support us sending weapons to Russia. Naw, I'd probably still be ok with them killing Russians. It would be like beating the shit out of the bully that kept taking your lunch money every day of grade school, now that you're in your 20's. It would be somewhat well deserved. YMMV |
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Posted: 11/18/2022 8:02:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, seriously… Aside from naughty flair, what is the most awful, evil, Nazi-like thing that these Ukrainian Nazis have done? used harsh language or something. |
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Posted: 11/18/2022 9:05:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Prior to the invasion; I attempted to sign up for a pre-order book written by a Finnish citizen who fought with pro-Ukrainian militias in the Russian speaking eastern region. I wanted the book because it included detailed maps, which i thought would become helpful soon. A month after my pre order it was cancelled by the English translating publisher due to the vast amount of Nazi talk going on in it. This book was being offered through Forgotten Weapons, so look it up yourself.  It's not there. Also, the only Finnish book about the War in Donbass I am aware of (The Last Bullet) is a propaganda piece published by Johan Bäckman, undeniably the #1 putinist in Finland and it deals with a pseudonymous guy fighting for the Russians in the so called Donut People's Republic. It made a huge fuss about the Right Sector guys on the other side of the LOC being horrible Nazis though. Are you really sure you are not referencing proven Russian propaganda to advance your point there buddy? |
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Posted: 11/18/2022 9:11:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://m.quickmeme.com/img/04/046657ede3154549514cc754684cdd013f51e7c5ffee9a90fc5cab6ef1d1b1ab.jpg It's not there. Also, the only Finnish book about the War in Donbass I am aware of (The Last Bullet) is a propaganda piece published by Johan Bäckman, undeniably the #1 putinist in Finland and it deals with a pseudonymous guy fighting for the Russians in the so called Donut People's Republic. It made a huge fuss about the Right Sector guys on the other side of the LOC being horrible Nazis though. Are you really sure you are not referencing proven Russian propaganda to advance your point there buddy? The book he referenced was written by a Swede named Carolus Lofroos who fought in Azov back in 2015. |
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Posted: 11/18/2022 9:14:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The book he referenced was written by a Swede named Carolus Lofroos who fought in Azov back in 2015. Thank you! I will order one right away. War stories fascinate me regardless of whether it's fascists or people seeing fascists under every bush. Edit: The book is available in Swedish, Finnish and English, the English version is called The Foreigner Group – Our War in Ukraine 2014-2015 and is available for example here. |
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Posted: 11/18/2022 9:22:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://m.quickmeme.com/img/04/046657ede3154549514cc754684cdd013f51e7c5ffee9a90fc5cab6ef1d1b1ab.jpg It's not there. Also, the only Finnish book about the War in Donbass I am aware of (The Last Bullet) is a propaganda piece published by Johan Bäckman, undeniably the #1 putinist in Finland and it deals with a pseudonymous guy fighting for the Russians in the so called Donut People's Republic. It made a huge fuss about the Right Sector guys on the other side of the LOC being horrible Nazis though. Are you really sure you are not referencing proven Russian propaganda to advance your point there buddy? https://kiuaskustannus.com/tuote/carolus-lofroos-vapaaehtoiset-sotamme-ukrainassa-2014-2015/ Available in English from Antelope Hill. |
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Posted: 11/18/2022 9:35:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/18/2022 10:15:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/18/2022 10:22:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't care. Not our problem, nor should we be sending anymore money. This. |
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Posted: 11/18/2022 10:57:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So Nazis are cool depending on circumstances? Not getting the point and your comment realky doesn’t address mine but is a rather idiotic side shift. The poster I responded to said essentially that the Nazi imagery was ok because the Russians killed Ukrainians in the 1920’s That’s true. However, the Nazis killed a lot of Ukrainians in the 1940’s so his comment, as I stated, made no sense. Thus I’m not sure what point you are trying to make against me other tat being a contrarian against everyone Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Russians killed millions of them and got away with it internationally because of fellow travelers in the US. It's like the Slavic equivalent of wearing a Crusader patch while killing Muslims. Uh. The Nazis also slaughtered Ukrainians so that really doesn’t make sense. Yeah, but what about THESE Nazis? Aside from naughty flair, what is the most awful, evil, Nazi-like thing that THESE Ukrainian Nazis have done? So Nazis are cool depending on circumstances? Not getting the point and your comment realky doesn’t address mine but is a rather idiotic side shift. The poster I responded to said essentially that the Nazi imagery was ok because the Russians killed Ukrainians in the 1920’s That’s true. However, the Nazis killed a lot of Ukrainians in the 1940’s so his comment, as I stated, made no sense. Thus I’m not sure what point you are trying to make against me other tat being a contrarian against everyone I’m just wondering why we’re talking about Nazis. Is it because of flair? |
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Posted: 11/18/2022 10:59:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m just wondering why we’re talking about Nazis. Is it because of flair? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Russians killed millions of them and got away with it internationally because of fellow travelers in the US. It's like the Slavic equivalent of wearing a Crusader patch while killing Muslims. Uh. The Nazis also slaughtered Ukrainians so that really doesn’t make sense. Yeah, but what about THESE Nazis? Aside from naughty flair, what is the most awful, evil, Nazi-like thing that THESE Ukrainian Nazis have done? So Nazis are cool depending on circumstances? Not getting the point and your comment realky doesn’t address mine but is a rather idiotic side shift. The poster I responded to said essentially that the Nazi imagery was ok because the Russians killed Ukrainians in the 1920’s That’s true. However, the Nazis killed a lot of Ukrainians in the 1940’s so his comment, as I stated, made no sense. Thus I’m not sure what point you are trying to make against me other tat being a contrarian against everyone I’m just wondering why we’re talking about Nazis. Is it because of flair? 
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Posted: 11/18/2022 11:31:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Russians killed millions of them and got away with it internationally because of fellow travelers in the US. It's like the Slavic equivalent of wearing a Crusader patch while killing Muslims. Uh. The Nazis also slaughtered Ukrainians so that really doesn’t make sense. Yeah, but what about THESE Nazis? Aside from naughty flair, what is the most awful, evil, Nazi-like thing that THESE Ukrainian Nazis have done? So Nazis are cool depending on circumstances? Not getting the point and your comment realky doesn’t address mine but is a rather idiotic side shift. The poster I responded to said essentially that the Nazi imagery was ok because the Russians killed Ukrainians in the 1920’s That’s true. However, the Nazis killed a lot of Ukrainians in the 1940’s so his comment, as I stated, made no sense. Thus I’m not sure what point you are trying to make against me other tat being a contrarian against everyone I’m just wondering why we’re talking about Nazis. Is it because of flair? It’s a legitimate question. Are Ukrainian Nazis people who DO terrible things, or are they people who wear scary patches? I really don’t care about the history discussion, if the depth of these “Nazi” claims goes no further than flair. Seems like something a bit shallow. What have the alleged Ukrainian Nazis DONE? |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 4:05:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The book he referenced was written by a Swede named Carolus Lofroos who fought in Azov back in 2015. I went and looked at these “he's a nazi” claims and found nothing really. He was in the Azov Battalion that was branded all nazis by the far left Swedish press. Also he wrote some nasty tweets about immigration and women in the military. For Reddit leftists this is enough to brand him a nazi. There is no evidence of him being a member of any nazi party or heiling wearing a Dirlewanger brigade emblem or anything. It's all “far right dogwhistle” bullshit. I found nothing in a couple of his in depth interviews to Finnish press about being a nazi, unless you count a couple tangential references to probably the worst immigration policy in the world (in Sweden). It seems to me that the whole “author is a nazi” attack to get Ian McCollum to back down from publishing his book a typical Reddit leftist cancel culture campaign. They don't like the guys politics, so he must be a nazi, as any one right of a Reddit lib is a nazi.  It's sad really that Ian caved into this as he said that the manuscript itself had nothing about “nazi talk” and it apparently quickly found new publishers in two new languages. The Finnish translator though is a known classic populist nationalist (so certainly a nazi by Reddit standards). |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 6:59:38 AM EDT
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so people really give a shit about patches? lol.. as long as they are killing russians and freeing there country from the invaders im sure it doesnt really matter what kind of uniform flair they wear.. why would OP care?
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Posted: 11/19/2022 7:04:55 AM EDT
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Who cares wtf they wear?
I don't give a fuck if either side is actually Nazis. The US should stay the fuck out of foreign conflicts. Not our fucking circus. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 7:48:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just don't care. Same here. None to be found. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 8:06:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On the political spectrum, communists and socialists are |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 8:08:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you descend into bankruptcy over massive dept, your nightly / weekly $100 buck credit card charged bar tabs are as much to blame as your $5000.00 Hawaii vacation is. It’s the “ it’s not a big deal / not much money “ mentality than bankrupts people more than it’s large purchases. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: exactly So you are FOR the however many tens of billions we've sent to ukraine? May your taxes and inflation rest lightly on you. I had no illusions it would stop with a red wave because R's are corrupt pieces of shit too. Inflation would be unchanged if we sent zero to Ukraine. If you descend into bankruptcy over massive dept, your nightly / weekly $100 buck credit card charged bar tabs are as much to blame as your $5000.00 Hawaii vacation is. It’s the “ it’s not a big deal / not much money “ mentality than bankrupts people more than it’s large purchases. @buck19delta I completely agree which is why I am careful about my budget. I look at U.S. spending and it’s a horrific nightmare: 40% of federal spending is with borrowed money! Unfortunately, you can count on one hand the number of Republicans and Democrats that would vote to halt any increase in spending and then slowly start cutting spending to equal revenues. It’s not happening and we all know it will end with the destruction of the dollar. If a small fraction of it, especially when you consider how much we spent on the Cold War, can cripple Russia’s ability to fight conventional wars for the foreseeable future, our long-time archenemy, I don’t think that’s unreasonable. Though it must be done without a single drop of American blood. It still is absolutely wrong to do so from a fiscally responsible standpoint but it’s like the biggest sale in history to hobble Russia so we can focus on China. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 8:16:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just don't care. Yeah, not our fight. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 8:17:40 AM EDT
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COC ~ Bollocks44
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Posted: 11/19/2022 8:18:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who committed an unprovoked invasion of who? Wars like this usually see a lot of dregs on the front lines, especially with conscription in the picture. Ukraine isn't a 'good guy'. Russia however is absolutely in the wrong, and their repeated invasion and annexation of parts of neighboring countries makes Ukraine a useful tool to stop Russia's aggression. It's not about Ukraine, it's about Russia being a warmongering asshole who keeps attacking other countries. This is true. Nazi's became infamous for mass murder and invading other People's countries. Ukraine didn't invade anyone no matter what patch they wear/use. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 8:19:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lib’s supporting Nazis… Boy, that is new. Just like "conservative" news being heavily influenced by Russian state propaganda. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 8:46:12 AM EDT
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Op seems concerned
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Posted: 11/19/2022 8:54:53 AM EDT
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The 1960's peace symbol was originally a nazi symbol. A European antinuke group paid a German marketing firm to come up with a symbol for their organization. The wider antiwar movement adopted the symbol. So a little problematic complaining about Ukraine with that symbol everywhere.
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Posted: 11/19/2022 9:30:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Op seems concerned Lol, end of the day I don't care for either Ukraine or Russia in a modern sense. Came up in a news feed, so just figured with all the US media support, it'd be bad press for them. But somehow pointing it out makes me a lib / troll / Russian propaganda bot it seems. Kind of weird though seeing many here with outspoken support of Nazis/Nazi symbolism, as long as it's fighting Russia. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 10:13:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just don't care. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 11:07:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 1960's peace symbol was originally a nazi symbol. A European antinuke group paid a German marketing firm to come up with a symbol for their organization. The wider antiwar movement adopted the symbol. So a little problematic complaining about Ukraine with that symbol everywhere. I'm calling bullshit on this. What later became "the peace symbol" was created by British artist Gerald Holtom in 1958 for the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament. The CND went out of their way to avoid symbols that already had associations like the cross or dove (which was used heavily in Soviet Propeganda). |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 11:25:15 AM EDT
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I wouldn't care if they started flying swastikas as long as single American soldier never ends up dead over there. They can ha e all the weapons and money they need, let them grind it out with Putin for a decade for all I care.
Now if we could only find a similar stooge to fight China for us... |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 11:44:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s a legitimate question. Are Ukrainian Nazis people who DO terrible things, or are they people who wear scary patches? I really don’t care about the history discussion, if the depth of these “Nazi” claims goes no further than flair. Seems like something a bit shallow. What have the alleged Ukrainian Nazis DONE? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Russians killed millions of them and got away with it internationally because of fellow travelers in the US. It's like the Slavic equivalent of wearing a Crusader patch while killing Muslims. Uh. The Nazis also slaughtered Ukrainians so that really doesn’t make sense. Yeah, but what about THESE Nazis? Aside from naughty flair, what is the most awful, evil, Nazi-like thing that THESE Ukrainian Nazis have done? So Nazis are cool depending on circumstances? Not getting the point and your comment realky doesn’t address mine but is a rather idiotic side shift. The poster I responded to said essentially that the Nazi imagery was ok because the Russians killed Ukrainians in the 1920’s That’s true. However, the Nazis killed a lot of Ukrainians in the 1940’s so his comment, as I stated, made no sense. Thus I’m not sure what point you are trying to make against me other tat being a contrarian against everyone I’m just wondering why we’re talking about Nazis. Is it because of flair? It’s a legitimate question. Are Ukrainian Nazis people who DO terrible things, or are they people who wear scary patches? I really don’t care about the history discussion, if the depth of these “Nazi” claims goes no further than flair. Seems like something a bit shallow. What have the alleged Ukrainian Nazis DONE? It’s a bizarre question when it’s directed to me because I’ve never suggested they have done any Nazi things. I have opined in this thread that the patches are mostly likely there for the same reason US Marines have used Nazi-esque patches and symbols because young warfighters like scary looking moto stuff. It’s that simple. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 11:46:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s a bizarre question when it’s directed to me because I’ve never suggested they have done any Nazi things. I have opined in this thread that the patches are mostly likely there for the same reason US Marines have used Nazi-esque patches and symbols because young warfighters like scary looking moto stuff. It’s that simple. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Russians killed millions of them and got away with it internationally because of fellow travelers in the US. It's like the Slavic equivalent of wearing a Crusader patch while killing Muslims. Uh. The Nazis also slaughtered Ukrainians so that really doesn’t make sense. Yeah, but what about THESE Nazis? Aside from naughty flair, what is the most awful, evil, Nazi-like thing that THESE Ukrainian Nazis have done? So Nazis are cool depending on circumstances? Not getting the point and your comment realky doesn’t address mine but is a rather idiotic side shift. The poster I responded to said essentially that the Nazi imagery was ok because the Russians killed Ukrainians in the 1920’s That’s true. However, the Nazis killed a lot of Ukrainians in the 1940’s so his comment, as I stated, made no sense. Thus I’m not sure what point you are trying to make against me other tat being a contrarian against everyone I’m just wondering why we’re talking about Nazis. Is it because of flair? It’s a legitimate question. Are Ukrainian Nazis people who DO terrible things, or are they people who wear scary patches? I really don’t care about the history discussion, if the depth of these “Nazi” claims goes no further than flair. Seems like something a bit shallow. What have the alleged Ukrainian Nazis DONE? It’s a bizarre question when it’s directed to me because I’ve never suggested they have done any Nazi things. I have opined in this thread that the patches are mostly likely there for the same reason US Marines have used Nazi-esque patches and symbols because young warfighters like scary looking moto stuff. It’s that simple. I’m not arguing with you. We’re saying the same thing. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 11:56:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm calling bullshit on this. What later became "the peace symbol" was created by British artist Gerald Holtom in 1958 for the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament. The CND went out of their way to avoid symbols that already had associations like the cross or dove (which was used heavily in Soviet Propeganda). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The 1960's peace symbol was originally a nazi symbol. A European antinuke group paid a German marketing firm to come up with a symbol for their organization. The wider antiwar movement adopted the symbol. So a little problematic complaining about Ukraine with that symbol everywhere. I'm calling bullshit on this. What later became "the peace symbol" was created by British artist Gerald Holtom in 1958 for the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament. The CND went out of their way to avoid symbols that already had associations like the cross or dove (which was used heavily in Soviet Propeganda). Then this should not exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_insignia_of_the_Schutzstaffel. Wikipedia list of SS symbols. The story your going with is the revisionist version. Just look at the peace symbol, it sure looks like a rune. SS based a lot of their stuff off of old runes. Put that detail with the original version of the peace symbol being from a German company and people start getting the this could be bad realization. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 12:14:15 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not arguing with you. We’re saying the same thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Russians killed millions of them and got away with it internationally because of fellow travelers in the US. It's like the Slavic equivalent of wearing a Crusader patch while killing Muslims. Uh. The Nazis also slaughtered Ukrainians so that really doesn’t make sense. Yeah, but what about THESE Nazis? Aside from naughty flair, what is the most awful, evil, Nazi-like thing that THESE Ukrainian Nazis have done? So Nazis are cool depending on circumstances? Not getting the point and your comment realky doesn’t address mine but is a rather idiotic side shift. The poster I responded to said essentially that the Nazi imagery was ok because the Russians killed Ukrainians in the 1920’s That’s true. However, the Nazis killed a lot of Ukrainians in the 1940’s so his comment, as I stated, made no sense. Thus I’m not sure what point you are trying to make against me other tat being a contrarian against everyone I’m just wondering why we’re talking about Nazis. Is it because of flair? It’s a legitimate question. Are Ukrainian Nazis people who DO terrible things, or are they people who wear scary patches? I really don’t care about the history discussion, if the depth of these “Nazi” claims goes no further than flair. Seems like something a bit shallow. What have the alleged Ukrainian Nazis DONE? It’s a bizarre question when it’s directed to me because I’ve never suggested they have done any Nazi things. I have opined in this thread that the patches are mostly likely there for the same reason US Marines have used Nazi-esque patches and symbols because young warfighters like scary looking moto stuff. It’s that simple. I’m not arguing with you. We’re saying the same thing. Agreed then. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 12:17:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then this should not exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_insignia_of_the_Schutzstaffel. Wikipedia list of SS symbols. The story your going with is the revisionist version. Just look at the peace symbol, it sure looks like a rune. SS based a lot of their stuff off of old runes. Put that detail with the original version of the peace symbol being from a German company and people start getting the this could be bad realization. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The 1960's peace symbol was originally a nazi symbol. A European antinuke group paid a German marketing firm to come up with a symbol for their organization. The wider antiwar movement adopted the symbol. So a little problematic complaining about Ukraine with that symbol everywhere. I'm calling bullshit on this. What later became "the peace symbol" was created by British artist Gerald Holtom in 1958 for the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament. The CND went out of their way to avoid symbols that already had associations like the cross or dove (which was used heavily in Soviet Propeganda). Then this should not exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_insignia_of_the_Schutzstaffel. Wikipedia list of SS symbols. The story your going with is the revisionist version. Just look at the peace symbol, it sure looks like a rune. SS based a lot of their stuff off of old runes. Put that detail with the original version of the peace symbol being from a German company and people start getting the this could be bad realization. I can see the logic of using the "tod" or death symbol for nuclear disarmament, after all they were saying we were all going to die. Of course the peace/disarmament/anti-nuke movements in the west were funded by the Soviets and peace wasn't really the goal as much as weakening the US and the west. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 12:20:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/19/2022 12:35:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, end of the day I don't care for either Ukraine or Russia in a modern sense. Came up in a news feed, so just figured with all the US media support, it'd be bad press for them. But somehow pointing it out makes me a lib / troll / Russian propaganda bot it seems. Kind of weird though seeing many here with outspoken support of Nazis/Nazi symbolism, as long as it's fighting Russia. Do you see how maybe some people could see "I don't care" and "I saw a story that I knew would hurt one side, so I chose to amplify it by sharing it" as contradictory? |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 3:11:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, socket extensions on your helmet is bad. Got it.  |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 5:06:13 PM EDT
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If the Ukrainians are Nazis, then the Proud Boys are White Supremacists.
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