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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:21:24 PM EDT
[#1]
This what I think of EVs. Rolling H-bombs.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:22:40 PM EDT
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I don't know about piling up but yes every dealer I visited in the last 6 weeks had at least all electric in the lot.
I thought it was funny every ford dealer had a machE in the showroom right next to their $100k+ raptor. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:23:52 PM EDT
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The majority of people would be in way over their heads trying to install charging stations at their home
The majority of renters will not be willing to pay the costs of charging stations If the majority of people rely on commercial charging stations like “gas stations” for ice vehicles, it seems the lines and wait times could be more than most are willing to bear during peak times or busy times with current battery technology and current charging times Looks like it could turn into a huge cluster |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:24:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just googled ford mustang mach e. These is what popped up in the google search. Seriously who would pay those prices for that? All the buyers for those already bought them apparently. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/473532/IMG_1187_jpeg-2881270.JPG Just for fun I typed in 2020 corvette. Got prices from $76kto $80k A bit over a new Mach E. But not by much. So I went back and looked at your ads again. I noticed the used one was $10 grand more??? Hell if I can make $10 k more just by driving a Mach E, I should buy 10 or even a hundred of them. ;-) |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:24:46 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope they choke on them. If not, the grid will choke on them. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:37:05 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's just that Tesla makes a better EV than anything else on the market currently. There is objectively, no reason to buy another brands EV.  Wait until you learn about PHEVs. I'll take 600 mile range, with EV mode that gets me through 99% of my car usage over a Tesla.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:39:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2022 Tesla Model 3 long range. How exactly is it too good to be true? There are no parts to break, nothing to service, and nothing to kill the batteries prematurely. In the 1.5 years I’ve had it, I have had less than 5% drop in total range. Tesla claims up to 10% the first few years and I’m well below that. No concerns whatsoever… but I’ll trade it in for a Model S Plaid long before it’s even close to 150k miles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A normal IC engine car or truck can be expected to go 150-200k miles with maintenance, and a solid chance at a lot more. A significant improvement over ten years ago. Electric car battery longevity concerns are very real. My ‘22 M3 battery is rated to go 350-400k. The chassis 500-750k, all with no maintenance. What exactly is the concern? That if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. What car are you talking about by the way. I searched and don’t see a 22’ bmw m3 ev. 2022 Tesla Model 3 long range. How exactly is it too good to be true? There are no parts to break, nothing to service, and nothing to kill the batteries prematurely. In the 1.5 years I’ve had it, I have had less than 5% drop in total range. Tesla claims up to 10% the first few years and I’m well below that. No concerns whatsoever… but I’ll trade it in for a Model S Plaid long before it’s even close to 150k miles. When people say stuff like this “no parts to break, nothing to service, and nothing to kill the batteries prematurely” it triggers a red flag in my brain because it’s a car with an iPad in it and a suspension and mechanical things and tons of stuff that can obviously break. I would say value and reliability and then followed by safety are what I look for in a car. I wish car companies focused on value more these days. And I do appreciate what Tesla is doing in that regard but an EV car is a premium feature unto itself, and that is not a feature I am interested in enough to pay a premium for. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:40:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All this green crap (cars, solar panels) are toxic shit, and can’t be disposed of in regular dumps. Can't ? What ever fits in the trash can goes to the dump. Sometimes you need to cut it down to fit. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:40:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What happens in 5 years when China halts all rare earth metals to the US? Or during a war? How many miles can an EV go when it’s battery is lower than 75% efficiency? There is lithium to be mined here in the US. We already have processing facilities that have been operational for years. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:42:14 PM EDT
[#10]
Couldnt they just used a regular mustang? My gawd those are ugly
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:43:30 PM EDT
[#11]
Yea i am sure a lithium mine will go over like......a coal mine.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:43:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:44:05 PM EDT
[#13]
Tesla just announced Q2 results: 466,000 cars delivered. They’re on track to increase sales from 1.2 million cars in 2022 to 1.8 million this year.
Tesla Inventory is at 16 days. Tesla Gigafactory in Mexico is planned, should break ground next quarter. It’ll join Tesla factories in Fremont, Austin, Berlin and Shanghai. Just because the others aren’t selling doesn’t mean EVs are going away. They’re being adopted at an exponential rate. I don’t have an EV yet, but I do have TSLA. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:46:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is lithium to be mined here in the US. We already have processing facilities that have been operational for years. One mine in Nevada. Lithium is considered one of the top 10 dirtiest elements to mine. Why is all this green shit so toxic? |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:48:17 PM EDT
[#15]
days supply does not really mean much when you factor in volume. If they sell one every 70 days, but have 2 - not really much of a pile.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:48:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just for fun I typed in 2020 corvette. Got prices from $76kto $80k A bit over a new Mach E. But not by much. So I went back and looked at your ads again. I noticed the used one was $10 grand more??? Hell if I can make $10 k more just by driving a Mach E, I should buy 10 or even a hundred of them. ;-) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just googled ford mustang mach e. These is what popped up in the google search. Seriously who would pay those prices for that? All the buyers for those already bought them apparently. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/473532/IMG_1187_jpeg-2881270.JPG Just for fun I typed in 2020 corvette. Got prices from $76kto $80k A bit over a new Mach E. But not by much. So I went back and looked at your ads again. I noticed the used one was $10 grand more??? Hell if I can make $10 k more just by driving a Mach E, I should buy 10 or even a hundred of them. ;-) The used car for 10k more is actually a very rare 2004 mustang SVT with mystichrome paint with only 5,157 miles on it. Idk why is came up for the search for mach e. https://www.fellahautogroup.com/used-cars-philadelphia-pa/2004-ford-mustang-48834993 https://www.motorbiscuit.com/illegal-cobra-mustang-paint-rare-costs-over-26000/ |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:49:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Prepare for more coercion. They can't let people choose freely. https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.planet-today.com%2F2023%2F07%2Fwef-says-fashion-will-be-abolished-by.html%3Fm%3D1 The World Economic Forum has declared that by 2030 fashion will become completely obsolete and all humans will be vegan, whether they like it or not. A newly resurfaced report written in 2019 states that humans will only be permitted to buy three items of clothing per year and will be prohibited from buying or consuming meat. ---------------------------------  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:50:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tesla just announced Q2 results: 466,000 cars delivered. They’re on track to increase sales from 1.2 million cars in 2022 to 1.8 million this year. Tesla Inventory is at 16 days. Tesla Gigafactory in Mexico is planned, should break ground next quarter. It’ll join Tesla factories in Fremont, Austin, Berlin and Shanghai. Just because the others aren’t selling doesn’t mean EVs are going away. They’re being adopted at an exponential rate. I don’t have an EV yet, but I do have TSLA. The EV industry better hope the USGOVT subsidies and tax credits keep going. Gotta plug those EVs into some coal and natural gas fired power plant. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:52:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I can fill up in 5 minutes and have 400 miles range while towing, I'll consider buying one. When my 3 and 7 year old son's electric toys will last more than a month of use without everything corroding or something breaking, I'll considering buying one |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:57:11 PM EDT
[#20]
It’s hard to sell at $65k EV when you can buy a Model 3 for $35k...
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:57:48 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone that wanted an EV already bought one. There’s no one left to buy any of the new EV’s up for sale. And for sure, no one with a brain wants to buy a used EV. The depreciation will be epic. LOL to the suckers that bought new EV’s and try to sell them later. THIS.RIGHT.HERE |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:02:07 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My house is 20 years old. There is no room on the panel for a dedicated charging circuit. Why they hell would I buy a burden. 
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:02:36 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: THIS.RIGHT.HERE Acquaintance sold 7 year old ($25k new) Prius, that was in good shape, for only $3800. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:04:17 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like Toyota might have a game changer in the works for their EVs. Battery range up to 700 miles and a quick charge of 10 minutes. Using solid state batteries. If the battery could last a long time (time not distance) that would get my attention. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:07:18 PM EDT
[#25]
This is what happens when the Government chooses products rather than the Market.
And, the Red States need to take over oil refineries from the woke corporations who are doing the Communist’s bidding. Same for all petroleum production. The Government has declared war on the people by progressively choking out the supply of cheap, easily attainable energy in favor of (intentionally) failed experimental energy sources. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:09:36 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Acquaintance sold 7 year old ($25k new) Prius, that was in good shape, for only $3800. Why? Assuming 20K miles/year, cheapest model version, and lowest (fair) condition trade value is way above that: 
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:09:53 PM EDT
[#27]
We have a used low mileage Ford Lightning on our lot.
About 6-7 months now. Hit the lot at over $100k, it’s now at $78k. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:11:47 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's just that Tesla makes a better EV than anything else on the market currently. There is objectively, no reason to buy another brands EV. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:11:49 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I could pick up a small commuter EV for a measly 20k I'd be in for a daily commuter. I'd keep my gas guzzling F150 for weekends, hunting, and camping. But they're not 20k. They're 50k and I don't want that to be my only vehicle. Less then 8% of new cars sell for under $30k. You are not finding a sub $20k as a normal offering. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:14:23 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Prepare for more coercion. They can't let people choose freely. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:15:25 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope they choke on them. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:17:05 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope they choke on them. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:19:30 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they want to pump those numbers up, they’ll need to start selling to apartment dwellers and rural folks, as an example. Maybe soon, everyone who wants one, will have one. Where are apartment dwellers going to charge it? |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:20:17 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like Toyota might have a game changer in the works for their EVs. Battery range up to 700 miles and a quick charge of 10 minutes. Using solid state batteries. 20 yrs before that tech is ready for prime time |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:21:17 PM EDT
[#35]
They could have been making good vehicles more cheaply but instead they’ve wasted a bunch of time and money on obsolete tech.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:21:33 PM EDT
[#36]
Tesla did one thing right that the legacy companies are having issues with. They did not make a legacy car. The one other advantages that EV's can have is they can be simpler. But if you start with a legacy vehicle - you tend to throw that advantage away. Toyota axed a lot of their future EV line because they realized it too. They can not make a legacy tied vehicle for the price necessary. They need to build the EV new from the ground up to keep it simpler and cheaper.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:23:05 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where are apartment dwellers going to charge it? Sounds insurmountable.  |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:26:12 PM EDT
[#38]
Who's chancing $100K on an electric car?
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:26:32 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? Assuming 20K miles/year, cheapest model version, and lowest (fair) condition trade value is way above that: https://i.imgur.com/Fcrfgnz.png Battery warranty was up in 2 months. Back then, it was 9k to replace battery pack 
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:32:41 PM EDT
[#40]
Two key concepts, demand and addressing the market.
Now, let's have the key executives of those electric car makers sit down for a transparent chat. Lol. First of all, they are auto politicians or they would not have been placed in those positions of authority. Transparent is not going to happen. Next, let's get down to business. The questions: How do you account for the obvious lack of demand for these unsold vehicles? It seems apparent- the demand was never there, or people would have them in their driveway, or they would be part of a (government or corporate) fleet by this time. Precisely how have you addressed the market with these unsold vehicles? Addressing the market stems from a desire or need from consumers that appears non-existent here on a large scale. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:33:11 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryWhile inventory is up substantially from 2021 and 2022 levels, it remains low by historical standards. At the end of pre-pandemic, pre-chip shortage May 2020, the total supply was 2.99 million vehicles for a days’ supply of 92. In May 2019, supply was 3.81 million vehicles for a 95 days’ supply. Fodder for the anti ev luddites to rant and rave, the inventory is not high by historic measures. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:34:27 PM EDT
[#42]
Not if it were free. I have enough pains in my ass. Don't need a new huge one.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:50:45 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The user car market still hasn't fully recovered from that Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Say hello to cash for clunkers 2.0 God I hope not. That will destroy the used market (again.) The program was a failure, not sure why people keep claiming it had an effect. The lack of new cars being built is a much bigger factor. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:52:14 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The majority of people would be in way over their heads trying to install charging stations at their home The majority of renters will not be willing to pay the costs of charging stations If the majority of people rely on commercial charging stations like “gas stations” for ice vehicles, it seems the lines and wait times could be more than most are willing to bear during peak times or busy times with current battery technology and current charging times Looks like it could turn into a huge cluster Plugging into a dryer receptacle isn't a very difficult task. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:56:46 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And, the Red States need to take over oil refineries from the woke corporations who are doing the Communist’s bidding. Same for all petroleum production. Only communism can save us from communism? |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:57:08 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Plugging into a dryer receptacle isn't a very difficult task. I guess you can do that with a $400 extension. You would have too get it through a door or wall. Not all homes have electric dryers, some are gas, and constantly playing switch the dryer outlet would get old quick. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 11:19:32 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess you can do that with a $400 extension. You would have too get it through a door or wall. Not all homes have electric dryers, some are gas, and constantly playing switch the dryer outlet would get old quick. Point being there are countless options for anyone with an ounce of problem solving skills. A lot of houses in my neighborhood have receptacles in the garage. Just plug it in. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 11:23:27 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think you can discount the inherent gay, homosexuality of Electric Vehicles.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 11:36:50 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 20 yrs before that tech is ready for prime time Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sounds like Toyota might have a game changer in the works for their EVs. Battery range up to 700 miles and a quick charge of 10 minutes. Using solid state batteries. 20 yrs before that tech is ready for prime time Toyota has been announcing these unicorns for a decade. They’ve been foot dragging on EVs and their BZ4X is a turd they can’t even give away. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 11:38:48 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A normal IC engine car or truck can be expected to go 150-200k miles with maintenance, and a solid chance at a lot more. A significant improvement over ten years ago. Electric car battery longevity concerns are very real. My Tesla has a 8 year 150k warranty. I doubt I’ll need it. It runs low 11s |
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