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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:43:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Point being there are countless options for anyone with an ounce of problem solving skills. A lot of houses in my neighborhood have receptacles in the garage. Just plug it in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I guess you can do that with a $400 extension. You would have too get it through a door or wall. Not all homes have electric dryers, some are gas, and constantly playing switch the dryer outlet would get old quick. Point being there are countless options for anyone with an ounce of problem solving skills. A lot of houses in my neighborhood have receptacles in the garage. Just plug it in. A Tesla charger costs less than $500, about $800 to install, and there’s some rebates from power companies that covers a lot of that. Here in NC there’s a $1133 EV Charger Prep Credit from Duke Energy |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:43:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Tesla has a 8 year 150k warranty. I doubt I’ll need it. It runs low 11s They are very quick 0-60 and QMile. I just wouldn’t feel comfortable with one out of warranty, because of the $8-$20k battery replacement cost. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:54:36 PM EST
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I wonder how much back door taxpayer money they are getting.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 10:59:44 PM EST
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GD threads on EV's are like libs on gun control...a bunch of monkeys fucking a football
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Posted: 7/10/2023 11:03:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how much back door taxpayer money they are getting. I owe the feds and state thousands every year, even with the EV credit I got last year. You're welcome. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 11:08:25 PM EST
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You couldnt give me obe
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Posted: 7/10/2023 11:53:16 PM EST
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I see a whole new bunch of vehicles as candidates for
the annual July 4th, vehicle launch in Alaska. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 11:53:57 PM EST
[#8]
I see a whole new bunch of vehicles as candidates for
the annual July 4th, vehicle launch in Alaska. In the coming years. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:03:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its the price. A Tesla model Y is $50k. No thanks.  That's right. All they to do is make it financially viable. I wouldn't buy one even if it was cheap. Unless they made the battery generic and user-replaceable. Like in a laptop with a quick-swap batt. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:08:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1400/0*KIXz2tAVqXVREkyd.png I don't think the industry has really found a feature/need that "crosses the chasm" yet for each vehicle market. The true consumer "convince" is not really there yet. The feature that would cross the chasm is affordability. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:45:55 AM EST
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All I can add is I drive right past the Casa Grande Lucid plant every time I go to the range, and I see parking lots full of dusty, unsold EVs. The plant has seemingly paused all new construction and laid off many employees after promising such a boost to the city.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:46:08 AM EST
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I'll be getting a 7.3l Godzilla engined super duty to offset EV owners lack of carbon contribution
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:47:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope they choke on them. Rodents will feast on the soy based wiring harnesses |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 1:04:39 AM EST
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I think we spent about $800 net on our level 2 charger. A good chunk of that was wire - it was a long run from the service panel to where we wanted the charger. Funny part - we don't have an EV, but I wanted an RV outlet and it was so nice for the goverment to pay for most of it.
In all fairness, it is yet. We have a vacation rental that we put the charger at. Family will probably get 1 EV in the next 2 years, and probably another within 2 years after that. Brother-in-law would be perfectly happy with a Model 3. I want something different. But honestly, right now Tesla is pretty much the only game in town that is doing it right. They ditched legacy designs. EV's need to be designed as EV's - not as legacy with a makeover. Maybe someday, conversions will be worthwhile. But marketing a conversion as new is not cost effective. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 1:31:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is lithium to be mined here in the US. We already have processing facilities that have been operational for years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What happens in 5 years when China halts all rare earth metals to the US? Or during a war? How many miles can an EV go when it’s battery is lower than 75% efficiency? There is lithium to be mined here in the US. We already have processing facilities that have been operational for years. It has to be atrip mined to be profitable. Processing it from leached brine pools in the USA is very expensive. Chie and other parts of the world either have it more readily available or they don't give a shit. Tesla stating cobalt "conflict free" batteries are more "friendly" is both sad and stupid. Cobalt is mined from areas where child slaves do all the work and China luvs them slave labor. But GD'ers really don't care anyhow. EVs are kewl and worrying about the cause/effect is for poors. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 1:37:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The feature that would cross the chasm is affordability. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1400/0*KIXz2tAVqXVREkyd.png I don't think the industry has really found a feature/need that "crosses the chasm" yet for each vehicle market. The true consumer "convince" is not really there yet. The feature that would cross the chasm is affordability. As GD'ers like to point out... "Go be poor someplace else, please," Oh well... Child slave labor is cheap and easily ignored cuz ... China approved |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 1:37:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll be getting a 7.3l Godzilla engined super duty to offset EV owners lack of carbon contribution  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 1:46:56 AM EST
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EV's in many places are rolling coal, just not with the noise and smoke.
Coal fired power plants power EV's. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 1:48:17 AM EST
[#19]
One other thing, cost of battery per mile exceeds the cost of gasoline per mile by a large amount.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 2:08:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good, fuck EV's... |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 5:41:28 AM EST
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perhaps the idiots in charge that are ruining the country might consider that people are not buying many cars, let alone $50K+ cars due to uncertainty. Like, when is the economy going to completely collapse, petrodollar death, etc.
Also, as stated many times, the infrastructure is not there and cannot be there to support the pipe dreams of anything close to a majority or plurality of EV's. We'd need new power generation facilities coming online every couple of weeks with a complete infrastructure overhaul to support the electricity needed. the tards are in charge. So, that means the next move will be some sort of impossible to meet mandate. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 5:53:46 AM EST
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A friend at a local dealer told me they are no longer allowed to stock new ICE vehicles on their lot. It has to be all EV. The only exception is if it is a vehicle where there is not yet an EV version.
They will still order ICE vehicles for customers, but if you are lot shopping, it's all EV. My friend says the salesmen don't know shit about EV and the customers have a poor understanding of what they are purchasing. He is constantly explaining them to customers who bought one without doing research and found out they require different habits than ICE vehicles. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 5:58:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kinda like those Chinese cities Chinese cities are piling up? |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 6:00:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Normal people don't have the money to buy a car that costs as much as their house did 10 years ago. That's why these overpriced already-outdated-literal-dumpster-fires on wheels aren't selling. Get the price point down under $30k and they will start moving them. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 6:06:07 AM EST
[#25]
Who is dumb enough to buy a car you have to charge every day like a cell phone!
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Posted: 7/11/2023 6:06:07 AM EST
[#26]
EV's are for SUCKERS!!! |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 6:23:07 AM EST
[#27]
I live in a suburb where you can't drive without seeing Teslas. Everywhere. Multitudes of every flavor of Tesla. The Tesla service center is about 4 miles SE. With the exception of a few Rivian trucks, you see almost no other electric vehicles. Leals are for the poors, and the poor don't even want them.
Five years ago, we were able to buy off lease Leafs at auction for 6 - 8 thousand all day long. Because no one wanted them for anything but a commuter. Looks like that hasn't really changed in the UC market. As battery tech changes, who will want to spend 40k for the old tech? No one. I'll keep my Lincoln ICE thank you. If I thought i was going to live more than another 2 years, I'd be trading for a 23 Nautilus right now. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 6:26:17 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ford is not building enough gas powered trucks to keep up with demand. I hope they choke on the electric trucks. I think Ford specifically stated that they want to push sales to a sold order basis and not have vehicles on lots. Some buyers will be OK waiting an undetermined time for a vehicle, many won't. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 6:27:41 AM EST
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Missed a few pages.
Some people called me out on the durability concerns I raised. Did some homework, they might very well be right and I was overstating it. However, the perception is certainly is there, which from a sales perspective can be as bad as the real thing. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 6:46:11 AM EST
[#30]
I have little interest in an EV and hate being forced into it. But if I were going to buy one, it would probably only be Tesla. Everyone else is copying them and charging more inexplicably. The big manufacturers should be able to crank out competitive priced EVs but choose not to.
I don't understand that need to put a giant tablet in the center of a car, or why everyone else decided (until recently) to not make their EVs compatible with the only existing nationwide EV charging network. To top off the boneheaded thought process, the big manufacturers decided that unlike literally everything else, electrification of the automotive industry would not be depreciative. More tech in every other industry leads to lower costs and eventually lower prices. But with cars it's gonna be different! |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 6:48:16 AM EST
[#31]
I live near a ton of car dealers. A blind man could've seen this coming months ago. Tesla was the first dealer lot to fill up.
More interesting is the number of traded-in Teslas, Taycans, and BMW/MB EVs at places like the Aston Martin/Bentley dealer. It seems like that crowd tried EVs and went "nah". Tech is for the masses, quality for the classes. I've driven most of the EVs, even a hideously expensive Taycan Turbo S. They're appliances and belong in the sub $25k category. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 6:56:32 AM EST
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A couple months ago I went to a Ford dealer to order a Transit Van. They said nope, not taking orders; and when ordering opens up it might be up to a year before I get my van. They had two EV Transit Van though that he said he couldn’t get rid of and he would make a a crazy deal on one.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 7:03:30 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Chinese cities are piling up? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Kinda like those Chinese cities Chinese cities are piling up? @Laufen Actually - yes. Empty and unused cities in the middle of nowhere. The term to search is "ghost cities" if you're curious. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 7:13:23 AM EST
[#34]
FPNI
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Posted: 7/11/2023 7:19:22 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One other thing, cost of battery per mile exceeds the cost of gasoline per mile by a large amount. Those aren’t even the same thing. You’re fucking terrible at statistics. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 7:26:13 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All I can add is I drive right past the Casa Grande Lucid plant every time I go to the range, and I see parking lots full of dusty, unsold EVs. The plant has seemingly paused all new construction and laid off many employees after promising such a boost to the city. Hope they don't leave the batteries in them...maybe Tesla can buy them up cheap. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 7:27:50 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those aren't even the same thing. You're fucking terrible at statistics. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 7:28:27 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It has to be atrip mined to be profitable. Processing it from leached brine pools in the USA is very expensive. Chie and other parts of the world either have it more readily available or they don't give a shit. Tesla stating cobalt "conflict free" batteries are more "friendly" is both sad and stupid. Cobalt is mined from areas where child slaves do all the work and China luvs them slave labor. But GD'ers really don't care anyhow. EVs are kewl and worrying about the cause/effect is for poors. We have Cobalt but the new batteries are replacing Co with Manganese (Mn)...I believe Musk has said that they have new battery tech based on Na There's a Co play in Sandfire Australia (Tintina) Sheep Creek Black Butte but environmental groups have been fighting it hard...to protect the Smith River and Sheep Creek I don't blame them... |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 7:28:42 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One mine in Nevada. Lithium is considered one of the top 10 dirtiest elements to mine. Why is all this green shit so toxic? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is lithium to be mined here in the US. We already have processing facilities that have been operational for years. One mine in Nevada. Lithium is considered one of the top 10 dirtiest elements to mine. Why is all this green shit so toxic? It's for the environment of course. Some of the most dangerous industrial plants I've seen were lithium plants. Fires are common and you can't put it out with water. How it's considered "green" is beyond me. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 7:32:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's for the environment of course. Some of the most dangerous industrial plants I've seen were lithium plants. Fires are common and you can't put it out with water. How it's considered "green" is beyond me. It's not like all communists movements it's a long con...and a misdirection...they are liars and thieves and that is the only thing you can count on them to be true to. They will destroy millions of people without a thought of conscience to obtain their ends...and their plan is to take over the world (Globalist Empire WEF)... There is no doubt about that only misdirection...and more lies. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 7:47:36 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My ‘22 M3 battery is rated to go 350-400k. The chassis 500-750k, all with no maintenance. What exactly is the concern? LOL, if you BELIEVE that nonsense, Ive got some land I want to sell you cheap. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 7:50:08 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, if you BELIEVE that nonsense, Ive got some land I want to sell you cheap. Yep and I got some mining shares to sell ya  |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 7:55:38 AM EST
[#43]
It’s the charging network. Tesla has that shit on lock. Unfortunately Tesla are shit cars with horrible quality control but because it’s easy to find a supercharger they will remain king.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 7:56:39 AM EST
[#44]
They are ignoring apartment and condo dwellers.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 8:01:51 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where are these EVs? There aren't any lower end ones anywhere around. There are 75 new Chevy Bolts available in my AO in the mid 30’s. That’s about as cheap as EVs get. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 8:03:31 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Prepare for more coercion. They can't let people choose freely. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 8:12:03 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll be getting a 7.3l Godzilla engined super duty to offset EV owners lack of carbon contribution I’ve driven hybrids for over 20 years. The office climate change liberal came up to me one day as she was headed to her SUV a few spaces away to thank me for my contributions to the environment. I look at her and said, “I only drive this to get in the HOV lane. When I fill up I intentionally spill a little gas each time to get even with the environment” Yeah, not that funny, but the look on her face was! My S.O. Super Duty was delivered in May. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 8:13:56 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have little interest in an EV and hate being forced into it. But if I were going to buy one, it would probably only be Tesla. Everyone else is copying them and charging more inexplicably. The big manufacturers should be able to crank out competitive priced EVs but choose not to. I don't understand that need to put a giant tablet in the center of a car, or why everyone else decided (until recently) to not make their EVs compatible with the only existing nationwide EV charging network. To top off the boneheaded thought process, the big manufacturers decided that unlike literally everything else, electrification of the automotive industry would not be depreciative. More tech in every other industry leads to lower costs and eventually lower prices. But with cars it's gonna be different! The giant tablet is pretty nice once you get used to it. To be fair, other automakers couldn't make EV's that used the Tesla Supercharger network without Tesla allowing it. The Supercharger has to be able to communicate with the vehicle for payment information. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 8:18:03 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If this is your need an EV is not for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When I can fill up in 5 minutes and have 400 miles range while towing, I'll consider buying one. If this is your need an EV is not for you. Neither would a lot of trucks on the market today. My 22 Silverado with a 6.2 is getting 12.5 mpg with my 1200lb truck camper. It uses about 20 gallons before the gas light comes on. My old 6.7 super duty had a 28 gallon tank before I upgraded it. Just slightly larger and slightly better mpg, still aren’t going much more than 300 miles. Also there really isn’t an electric truck out that anyone would consider for towing any kind of weight any kind of distance. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 8:19:43 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tesla did one thing right that the legacy companies are having issues with. They did not make a legacy car. The one other advantages that EV's can have is they can be simpler. But if you start with a legacy vehicle - you tend to throw that advantage away. Toyota axed a lot of their future EV line because they realized it too. They can not make a legacy tied vehicle for the price necessary. They need to build the EV new from the ground up to keep it simpler and cheaper. Things don't sell for what they cost. They sell for what the market will pay. Tesla cost too much. Hence the price drop. Markets work because each side has a choice, the consumer decides if the price is worth paying, and the manufacturer decides if the product is worth building at the price that the consumer will pay. That's it. Right now the auto market is finding that balance point, it is not as high as the industry thought it was for EVs. Government climbs into the mix and fucks it all up. They distort markets which inevitably leads to instability. Instability crashes companies. The industry needs to build what the consumer is willing to pay for. If they built EVs that were truely better than the competition they would sell themselves. They aren't. The market knows this. |
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