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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:43:11 PM EDT
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I think it’s time for the Virginia members to go silent on this site. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:46:45 PM EDT
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What's the chance that it passes both houses? Seems like there was some Democrats who said they might not vote for it.
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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:48:42 PM EDT
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Wasn't this the only place it could really be stopped though? I think the boat has left the dock and is sailing full speed though both chambers and to gov Blackface's desk. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Will Virginians actually boogaloo now or will they just keep posting memes? I can make it to va this time...missed the rally but I'm back stateside if we need people to head to va. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:50:20 PM EDT
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I absolutely love how gun owners shit on other gun owners. No wonder the other side wins. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:50:37 PM EDT
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What's the chance that it passes both houses? Seems like there was some Democrats who said they might not vote for it. They were saying that to avoid being bombarded with constituent hate mail. They will read the speeches they wrote a month ago, which state “the recent changes made in committee satisfy my concerns. We aren’t taking anyone’s guns away. We aren’t taking away anyone’s silencers. This law will save the children.” |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:52:56 PM EDT
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5% They were saying that to avoid being bombarded with constituent hate mail. They will read the speeches they wrote a month ago, which state "the recent changes made in committee satisfy my concerns. We aren't taking anyone's guns away. We aren't taking away anyone's silencers. This law will save the children." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the chance that it passes both houses? Seems like there was some Democrats who said they might not vote for it. They were saying that to avoid being bombarded with constituent hate mail. They will read the speeches they wrote a month ago, which state "the recent changes made in committee satisfy my concerns. We aren't taking anyone's guns away. We aren't taking away anyone's silencers. This law will save the children." |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:53:22 PM EDT
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5% They were saying that to avoid being bombarded with constituent hate mail. They will read the speeches they wrote a month ago, which state “the recent changes made in committee satisfy my concerns. We aren’t taking anyone’s guns away. We aren’t taking away anyone’s silencers. This law will save the children.” Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the chance that it passes both houses? Seems like there was some Democrats who said they might not vote for it. They were saying that to avoid being bombarded with constituent hate mail. They will read the speeches they wrote a month ago, which state “the recent changes made in committee satisfy my concerns. We aren’t taking anyone’s guns away. We aren’t taking away anyone’s silencers. This law will save the children.” There is a tremendous amount of outside pressure from very powerful people. This is the execution of a gameplan. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:56:25 PM EDT
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Time to COC or shut up. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:57:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously. I guess a peaceful protest didnt work. Maybe something more persuasive should be organized. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:57:51 PM EDT
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" ... leave or be arrested..."
Get used to that. Or ... don't. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:58:03 PM EDT
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They haven't won yet...……. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I absolutely love how gun owners shit on other gun owners. No wonder the other side wins. People need to call there reps and complain But I'd like to see gun manufacturer's and ammo companies private vendors tell the state of Virginia and the Leo's in counties that aren't sanctuary gun county's to pound sand No new firearms or repairs No magazines except what us peasants get to buy No ammo sales No training classes No plates or armor Let them use slingshots and sticks |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:01:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:06:40 PM EDT
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And not a single person stood up and said, "I will not comply" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow! So the VSP jumped straight to Brown Shirt status, kicking people out of the peoples house watching the peoples business being done by the peoples "representatives". Good luck VA! 99.99% will hide their contraband items away. A few will get picked up from time to time on unrelated matters or an angry ex will rat them out and GD will point and laugh. One day they'll all die and their relatives will turn those scary guns in when they find them cleaning out their homes. That's exactly what will happen. We all know it, the commies running Virginia know it and it's what they planned on. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:08:05 PM EDT
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I would have spent 29 seconds doing non CoC things, then unassing the area in record time.
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:08:29 PM EDT
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Seriously. I guess a peaceful protest didnt work. Maybe something more persuasive should be organized. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Time to COC or shut up. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:08:58 PM EDT
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"The bill further states that any person who legally owns an assault firearm on July 1, 2020, may retain possession of such assault firearm after January 1, 2021, if such person has obtained a permit from the Department of State Police to possess an assault firearm in accordance with procedures established in the bill." |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:09:03 PM EDT
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Did the 'constructive possession' clause go away?
Can't have all the parts to make an AW or whatever the phrasing was. I guess since simple possession won't be prohibited constructive possession would have to go away? By the unsafe act I can actually own a standard, full featured AR as long as I break up the pieces into 2 or more compliant rifles and/or stored parts. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:09:13 PM EDT
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Will Virginians actually boogaloo now or will they just keep posting memes? I can make it to va this time...missed the rally but I'm back stateside if we need people to head to va. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:09:21 PM EDT
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Needs to go through the whole process cuz Bloomberg and Soros money.
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:10:38 PM EDT
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The Va Dems are simply repaying their campaign debt. Those that bought and paid for them don't care if they are not reelected, as they will simply give their money to another bought and paid for stooge.
There is NO loyalty in this partyy |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:11:35 PM EDT
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I absolutely love how gun owners shit on other gun owners. No wonder the other side wins. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:11:47 PM EDT
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What's the chance that it passes both houses? Seems like there was some Democrats who said they might not vote for it. 
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:13:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This was inevitable. Sadly, very few gun laws are removed from the books once added (exception was the AWB...only because of the sunset clause). Even if Republicans take back the house, senate, and governors seat I seriously doubt they would remove these laws from the books. VA is stuck with this shit for the time being, and likely for quite a while. See you guys at the Bloomberg party. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:14:11 PM EDT
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Did you really think that would have any impact on the outcome? Seriously. A month ago I was pointing out in other VA threads that NYS counties were passing anti SAFE resolutions and it had absolutely no impact on the outcome. I was basically told that VA would be different. In the end there is no difference. Your rural low population counties are having state law dictated to you by a handful of high population urban counties whose residents probably think of their country cousins as embarrassing hicks. Same as NYS 
To my fellow Virginians: I think that Virginians (if the hammer falls and the Bill is signed into law) need to keep their own council and not communicate any 2A goings-on (legal or extralegal) with those who you do not trust....Much less here on this site as many members here are not our friends and will dime us out in a heartbeat. 
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:14:30 PM EDT
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I have a good idea. Why don't you guys have another rally where you willingly disarm yourselves on the illegal order of a tyrant? And then voluntarily walk into a cage being over-watched by government snipers. I'm sure they'll change their mind this time. {let’s not get this thread locked} JaxThe"REAPER"  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:15:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I figure that you would have enjoyed being with the VSP on the "riot line". That's the way you usually roll.....But enough of you.
To my fellow Virginians: I think that Virginians (if the hammer falls and the Bill is signed into law) need to keep their own council and not communicate any 2A goings-on (legal or extralegal) with those who you do not trust....Much less here on this site as many members here are not our friends and will dime us out in a heartbeat. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:18:04 PM EDT
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Rotten Fruit.
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:18:19 PM EDT
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Please join us as we meet mike bloomberg's gun control lobby bus in Arlington VA Sunday at 6:30 pm
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2293959_Bloomberg-coming-to-NOVA-this-weekend-2-9-Update-3-06Feb-in-OP.html |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:18:21 PM EDT
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Just wait a bit more you guys...…...just two senators have to switch when voting is done IIRC...…...this is not over yet.
Blast them with emails, phone calls, letters, etc. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:19:01 PM EDT
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"Riot Line"
VSP puts on their big girl panties only after the heavily armed, better geared Americans are no longer present. "We....sure showed them guys!" |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:23:05 PM EDT
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I sincerely hope that if this crap passes the House, the Senate and conference and becomes law, Virginia citizens do not simply repeat what we have seen in every other state like this: silent 4% compliance while the rest hide their arms and fear to use them at all, while a few dozen are arrested annually for incidental contact. This needs to be rejected in the firmest, most unequivocal manner known to man. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:23:49 PM EDT
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If HB 961 passes and becomes law, it's going to have an interesting effect on the machine gun market.
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:24:02 PM EDT
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Truth. There are enough JBTs and Tories here to make the king proud. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I figure that you would have enjoyed being with the VSP on the "riot line". That's the way you usually roll.....But enough of you.
To my fellow Virginians: I think that Virginians (if the hammer falls and the Bill is signed into law) need to keep their own council and not communicate any 2A goings-on (legal or extralegal) with those who you do not trust....Much less here on this site as many members here are not our friends and will dime us out in a heartbeat. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:24:44 PM EDT
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Riot line...... What a joke. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:25:18 PM EDT
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If anyone hasn't read the amended copy that passed, here's a link" https://committees.lis.virginia.gov/pdfs/drafts/20107888D.pdf
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:27:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:30:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Each and every year since 1995, VCDL has been preventing bad bills from passing into law and expanding the scope of liberty, like being able to carry in a restaurant, library, driving onto school property to drop off or pick up your kid, being able to get out of your car on school property(leaving the gun in the car), being able to walk through a park, being able to get an instant temporary carry permit if your local clerk tries to dick with you and delay your approval/renewal, and probably other stuff I'm not thinking of at the moment. I've witnessed this. We have consistently gained ground because of VCDL, sometimes in small steps, other times big steps. Yeah, we may be stuck with this for time being but on the other hand they are stuck with US for the time being. This isn't going away. WE are not going away. Some may throw up their hands and go back to the TV but shit like this only motivates me to do more. See you guys at the Bloomberg party. Easy to see who the "sunshine patriots " are.
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:30:54 PM EDT
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If anyone hasn't read the amended copy that passed, here's a link" https://committees.lis.virginia.gov/pdfs/drafts/20107888D.pdf Chasing around all the little amendments to other statutes that it affects and stuff like changing from "Shall" to "Is", strikethroughs, it's crazy. I don't like when they change "Shall" to "Is". Not a lawyer, but "shall" and "may" are important words. "Is" and other changes like it bother me, but I don't know why. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:32:04 PM EDT
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Nor will they. 99.99% will hide their contraband items away. A few will get picked up from time to time on unrelated matters or an angry ex will rat them out and GD will point and laugh. One day they'll all die and their relatives will turn those scary guns in when they find them cleaning out their homes. That's exactly what will happen. We all know it, the commies running Virginia know it and it's what they planned on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Nor will they. 99.99% will hide their contraband items away. A few will get picked up from time to time on unrelated matters or an angry ex will rat them out and GD will point and laugh. One day they'll all die and their relatives will turn those scary guns in when they find them cleaning out their homes. That's exactly what will happen. We all know it, the commies running Virginia know it and it's what they planned on. People of the gun never got worked up enough to do anything, as these were one-off arrests that barely make the news. The government will NOT pursue large scale enforcement, because that would result in immediate BOOGALOO. And the cops and politicians know they are outgunned. That is precisely why they use the incremental approach... the frog in the pot, slowly turning up the heat. Will Virginia be different? The politicians just showed they are using the same playbook, backing off a drastic confiscation bill in a pre-planned move to appear “reasonable”. Many Virginians will be placated that they “get to keep” what is already theirs. Many will say, “not yet, we don’t need a boogaloo”. Next shooting though, VA will push for registration. Then additional steps. They will say, “we compromised on the bill, but this epidemic continues”. The government won’t bother ever going for mass enforcement and door to door confiscation, which incites violent counter action. They will send you a letter. “Surrender your firearm which we know you have, or face a $1,000 fine.” They will keep sending them, and never give you the chance to physically confront them, until they place a lien on your house, or garnish your wages. That is the Government’s plan. Never give an excuse to go hot. Anyone who does go hot will appear unreasonable, unhinged, unstable, and the media will vilify them. So while everyone waits for “confiscation” to fight back, it will never happen. The people cannot win if they play by and into the Government’s rulebook and gameplan. We need to act from a position of power, united, and organized, and not in a manner that can easily be portrayed as unhinged, giving them further excuses to disarm the populace. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:32:33 PM EDT
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+1 Easy to see who the "sunshine patriots " are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Each and every year since 1995, VCDL has been preventing bad bills from passing into law and expanding the scope of liberty, like being able to carry in a restaurant, library, driving onto school property to drop off or pick up your kid, being able to get out of your car on school property(leaving the gun in the car), being able to walk through a park, being able to get an instant temporary carry permit if your local clerk tries to dick with you and delay your approval/renewal, and probably other stuff I'm not thinking of at the moment. I've witnessed this. We have consistently gained ground because of VCDL, sometimes in small steps, other times big steps. Yeah, we may be stuck with this for time being but on the other hand they are stuck with US for the time being. This isn't going away. WE are not going away. Some may throw up their hands and go back to the TV but shit like this only motivates me to do more. See you guys at the Bloomberg party. Easy to see who the "sunshine patriots " are. It sure is. And it sure brings out the peanut gallery full of shit stirrers, naysayers, Armchair QB's and agitators. And communists. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:36:29 PM EDT
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It gave me a freaking headache. From it's despotic content to the eye strain and scramble to follow all the little changes. Chasing around all the little amendments to other statutes that it affects and stuff like changing from "Shall" to "Is", strikethroughs, it's crazy. I don't like when they change "Shall" to "Is". Not a lawyer, but "shall" and "may" are important words. "Is" and other changes like it bother me, but I don't know why. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If anyone hasn't read the amended copy that passed, here's a link" https://committees.lis.virginia.gov/pdfs/drafts/20107888D.pdf Chasing around all the little amendments to other statutes that it affects and stuff like changing from "Shall" to "Is", strikethroughs, it's crazy. I don't like when they change "Shall" to "Is". Not a lawyer, but "shall" and "may" are important words. "Is" and other changes like it bother me, but I don't know why. My reading of this revised version is that you can gift an assault firearm to a family member and that the executor of a will / estate can transfer (only transfer, NOT SELL) to a beneficiary. There is no provision to allow one to sell to a licensed dealer or to an out of state buyer. § 18.2-308.9 (A) also states: "Assault firearm" includes any part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert, 418 modify, or otherwise alter a firearm into an assault firearm, or any combination of parts that may be readily 419 assembled into an assault firearm. "Assault firearm" does not include (i) a firearm that has been rendered 420 permanently inoperable, (ii) an antique firearm as defined in § 18.2-308.2:2, or (iii) a curio or relic as 421 defined in § 18.2-308.2:2. That definition would make a machine gun, which can be readily assembled into a semi automatic meeting the other criteria, fall into the category. These two sections, when combined, basically means if you own machine guns in VA you can never sell them so long as you remain a VA resident, and your heirs can inherit them but not sell them if they are also VA residents. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:36:36 PM EDT
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Time to go quiet, VA boys. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:44:28 PM EDT
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I absolutely love how gun owners shit on other gun owners. No wonder the other side wins. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:44:53 PM EDT
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I don't like it when they make it so you can't dispose of your own property. My reading of this revised version is that you can gift an assault firearm to a family member and that the executor of a will / estate can transfer (only transfer, NOT SELL) to a beneficiary. There is no provision to allow one to sell to a licensed dealer or to an out of state buyer. § 18.2-308.9 (A) also states: "Assault firearm" includes any part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert, 418 modify, or otherwise alter a firearm into an assault firearm, or any combination of parts that may be readily 419 assembled into an assault firearm. "Assault firearm" does not include (i) a firearm that has been rendered 420 permanently inoperable, (ii) an antique firearm as defined in § 18.2-308.2:2, or (iii) a curio or relic as 421 defined in § 18.2-308.2:2. That definition would make a machine gun, which can be readily assembled into a semi automatic meeting the other criteria, fall into the category. These two sections, when combined, basically means if you own machine guns in VA you can never sell them so long as you remain a VA resident, and your heirs can inherit them but not sell them if they are also VA residents. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If anyone hasn't read the amended copy that passed, here's a link" https://committees.lis.virginia.gov/pdfs/drafts/20107888D.pdf Chasing around all the little amendments to other statutes that it affects and stuff like changing from "Shall" to "Is", strikethroughs, it's crazy. I don't like when they change "Shall" to "Is". Not a lawyer, but "shall" and "may" are important words. "Is" and other changes like it bother me, but I don't know why. My reading of this revised version is that you can gift an assault firearm to a family member and that the executor of a will / estate can transfer (only transfer, NOT SELL) to a beneficiary. There is no provision to allow one to sell to a licensed dealer or to an out of state buyer. § 18.2-308.9 (A) also states: "Assault firearm" includes any part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert, 418 modify, or otherwise alter a firearm into an assault firearm, or any combination of parts that may be readily 419 assembled into an assault firearm. "Assault firearm" does not include (i) a firearm that has been rendered 420 permanently inoperable, (ii) an antique firearm as defined in § 18.2-308.2:2, or (iii) a curio or relic as 421 defined in § 18.2-308.2:2. That definition would make a machine gun, which can be readily assembled into a semi automatic meeting the other criteria, fall into the category. These two sections, when combined, basically means if you own machine guns in VA you can never sell them so long as you remain a VA resident, and your heirs can inherit them but not sell them if they are also VA residents. Either way, your gun dies with you. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:47:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/503720/Capture3_JPG-1267260.JPGLiterally https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/503720/Capture4_JPG-1267262.JPG (screenshots from vid courtesy of @Riflenoob, who was there in person representing us all) |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:49:25 PM EDT
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So they're tying "Assault Weapons" (I fucking abhor that term) to NFA now? Circular linking, due to interchangability of parts on a modular platform? Either way, your gun dies with you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If anyone hasn't read the amended copy that passed, here's a link" https://committees.lis.virginia.gov/pdfs/drafts/20107888D.pdf Chasing around all the little amendments to other statutes that it affects and stuff like changing from "Shall" to "Is", strikethroughs, it's crazy. I don't like when they change "Shall" to "Is". Not a lawyer, but "shall" and "may" are important words. "Is" and other changes like it bother me, but I don't know why. My reading of this revised version is that you can gift an assault firearm to a family member and that the executor of a will / estate can transfer (only transfer, NOT SELL) to a beneficiary. There is no provision to allow one to sell to a licensed dealer or to an out of state buyer. § 18.2-308.9 (A) also states: "Assault firearm" includes any part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert, 418 modify, or otherwise alter a firearm into an assault firearm, or any combination of parts that may be readily 419 assembled into an assault firearm. "Assault firearm" does not include (i) a firearm that has been rendered 420 permanently inoperable, (ii) an antique firearm as defined in § 18.2-308.2:2, or (iii) a curio or relic as 421 defined in § 18.2-308.2:2. That definition would make a machine gun, which can be readily assembled into a semi automatic meeting the other criteria, fall into the category. These two sections, when combined, basically means if you own machine guns in VA you can never sell them so long as you remain a VA resident, and your heirs can inherit them but not sell them if they are also VA residents. Either way, your gun dies with you. VA has over 35k registered machine guns. Even if 10k of those are post 86 dealer samples (this ratio aligns with the national ration of transferable to non-transferable MGs in the NFATR), that's 25,000 machine guns that will either be sold out of state before HB 961 goes into effect or become locked out of the market unless the owner moves to a different state. At current MG pricing (avg. $20k for transferable), that's around $500 million in inventory that could be pushed into the market in a very short period of time. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:50:20 PM EDT
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If HB 961 passes and becomes law, it's going to have an interesting effect on the machine gun market. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:51:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:52:34 PM EDT
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I sincerely hope that if this crap passes the House, the Senate and conference and becomes law, Virginia citizens do not simply repeat what we have seen in every other state like this: silent 4% compliance while the rest hide their arms and fear to use them at all, while a few dozen are arrested annually for incidental contact. This needs to be rejected in the firmest, most unequivocal manner known to man. This needs to be rejected in the same manner that the colonists rejected it in 1775. The Second Amendment was not written and included in the Bill of Rights to protect hunting. At its most basic level, the Second Amendment was written to protect the right of the citizens to use lethal force to preserve their God-given rights. It was written so that the citizens would have the means to kill those who seek to impose tyranny upon them. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:53:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @EggyMean - Keep reading (two posts above this one) |
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