Even if you are right, and I'm not saying that you are, that is all irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is "did they commit a crime that gave the authorities PC for arrest", wearing a jacket that makes it sort of look like you might be tangentially associated with someone who did something illegal, is not an arrestable offense to my knowledge.

Well, not yet anyway.

Just so I know, as I don't want to bring any trouble on myself:

What is the appropriate attire, hoddy and occupation I should have so as to please the police?

Ideally reporting something other than a rumor.  

Vise Grip are closer to hipsters than an OMG. The picture makes a statement all right - irony. Oh so hipsterish. The kind that sneer at you if you have a bike that has an electric starter on it.

Music, BBQ, and bikes are all they care about.

Vise Grip as Devil worshippers is the dumbest thing I've ever read on Arfcom. Ever.

 Says the guy who's been here a couple of months...... Unless of course

 Jesus christ......STILL whining about that???  Friggin Bastard..








 Happy Now????

Then why do they wear the diamond 13? Why do they have images of Satan on their website?

I'm not asking a trick question here. We have people who have personal relationships with the Vise Grips, it shouldn't be hard to get an answer. Someone call them and ask them. I really want to know. If they're just a bunch of guys who ride bikes and have BBQs or whatever, that's fine. Call them for what they are, then: posers.

Am in total agreement-

Whatever went down, a lot of innocents have been caught up in a lot of bs, and the patchers from this club are likely among those.

Just because they have some questionable (to me) affectations, does not make them guilty of anything criminal.

This whole thing is a clusterfk.

I hope we some day know the truth.

Right now it's looking dismal.........

"From what I've seen"

You highlighted it for fuck's sake.

A couple months of police threads is about all it takes to get a bead on who is open to admitting the police messed up, and who wants to excuse and rationalize everything.

Just keep swinging.  You're bound to get a hit eventually.

If not, will you give me one of your participation trophies? You don't need so many, so share the wealth.

What- you've never heard of a "Whiffer"?

I think I just had an '80s flashback.

Yeah LOL,

he could have had a lifetime membership.

 
A bunch of people who know absofuckinglutely nothing about a subject are pontificating as if they're the final authorities on said subject and shouting down the one or two people who actually do know somthing, and when shouting them down hasn't worked, they're claiming to the victim of aggression.


In other words, a typical thread in GD.  

I think you're in error here. The only people I see shouting others down are the same people claiming the bikers are dindus, and are also the same people who claim to have complete knowledge of biker culture but can't answer a simple question about a diamond 13 patch.

Nice! LOL

So if they are "posers".  How is it going to play out when its revealed they got thrown in jail with a million dollar bond because of their clothes?

What does the penal code say about clothes in this case?

I can only speak to Ohio's laws, but....

In Ohio, we have a definition of a criminal gang, which is three or more people who participate in a pattern of criminal conduct. These gangs are further defined as people who identify to a group via logo, colors, gang names, or other identifying features.

Simply wearing the clothing is not a crime, but participating in criminal activity in any capacity (even simply knowing about the crime beforehand) means you get 10 years in prison.

So, while many people argue as you have, that clothing is not a crime, I have shown that clothing is an enhancement of a crime when dealing with criminal gangs.

If they were thrown in jail simply because of their clothing, then yes, I agree it is a violation of constitutional rights. However, there is always, and I mean ALWAYS, more to the story than the public is told. Judges, prosecutors, and other legal experts have looked at these people, and they're still in jail. Thats not by accident.

What police department has the ability to set a 1 million dollar bail?  For that matter what DA can do that?  The DA can ask, but they don't get to set it.  Good luck suing a judge acting in an official capacity.  

I would be willing to bet a bunch of them refused to give a statement or some other game, or better yet "I didn't see/know anything" while wearing clothing clearly identifying them as part of the group that was shooting people.  It would be really convenient for the FBI if the mafia would wear matching jackets with their organization on it.  

And just because it's not by accident doesn't mean that it's with good intent.



 

It takes 2 weeks to process that many arrests and get it in front of a judge for reality in Waco. That's when the Vicegrip guys finally had their bail reduced. The million dollars was bullshit from the beginning. Nothing changed, but we all know that.

Mount Carmel is fairly far outside the Waco city limits, and the Waco police were not involved in the siege.

Still funny, even if it is completely wrong, though.

FACTS IT BURNSES US!

Pure comedy. I love it when the biker haters get proven wrong.

This is wrong?





http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html





The scene at the Market Place between Don Carlos and Twin Peaks was absolute chaos, Swanton said earlier.





"It is one of the most violent scenes I've seen in my 34 years as a police officer in Waco," Swanton said.



ETA: Ah, you're saying Waco PD didn't participate, right, so, you were there?





 

To switch the issue(s) of discussion for a minute...why was the ATF on scene so damn fast?

They were there ahead of time?



 

I already answered that in another post. The 13 stands for M which stands for satan. Kidding, it stands for MOTORCYCLE. I was waiting for you to tell me what you thought it meant, I could've used another laugh.

I'll say this once more...ALL OUTLAW 1%er MOTORCYCLE GANGS WEAR A 1%er DIAMOND PATCH. VISEGRIP MC DOES NOT WEAR THIS 1%er DIAMOND PATCH. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AN OUTLAW 1%er MOTORCYCLE GANG. The only way to "present yourself" as an outlaw 1%er motorcycle gang is to sew that patch on your vest. And to be ready to defend it when you get checked.

THe guy callng them hipsters is actually closest to the truth. Although if you called them that to their face, they would look down their nose at you. Unless you're on a panhead or knucklehead. Then you could sit with them at lunch. I'm only kidding, mostly, I know those guys personally and they are to a man, good guys with a passion for old motorcycles just like me. What reason would I have to lie to you? Why would I take up for a bunch of satan worshipers? I wouldn't. I'm telling you the truth as I know it, in the real world, not from something I read on the internets and not from something some guy that looks like Axl Rose told to a room full of cops in a seminar that he learned hanging out "undercover" "in the lifestyle" in a biker bar for seven Friday nights. And if you don't think cops can get intel screwed up, some of the articles quoted Waco cops as saying they were being threatened by Bandidos and BLACK WIDOWS. The BLACK WIDOWS only exist in Every Which Way But Loose with Clint Eastwood and Sondra Locke. For fucks sakes. Some of this story is ridiculous.


Further, I never insulted you as you had claimed. Calling you a "square" was not meant as an insult. It just means you are not part of the counterculture and got all your outlaw motorcycle gang info from a law enforcement seminar. I got mine from the real world. You are what old time outlaws would call a "citizen". See, cops think they have criminals and criminal lingo nailed down. And in some switched on gang units, they definitely do. But usually in the case of motorcycle gang culture, the information the cops have is from the '60s and '70s. Motorcycle gangs have evolved since then, while police intel generally has not. The Hells Angels would rather sue you than fight you nowadays. Have you seen the gold those guys wear? It's all about image nowadays. They even have a charter in Japan now.

Oh, so you're saying they did participate, right? So you were there?

Lol, this guy gets it. I never thought the day would come I would have to convince somebody that somebody else isn't a devil worshiper. But here we are. It's like all those preachers in the '80s playing records backwards. The fact that someone would find satan worshiping easier to believe than goat farming is really something else.

Again, my point was not to accuse them of being devil worshipers, but to show you that when someone makes a solid attempt at portraying themselves as something, they shouldn't be surprised when people start believing it. I don't put rainbow flags on my car, because I'm not gay. I don't wear an Obama shirt, because I'm not a stupid liberal. I don't throw gang signs and wear all red because I don't want to be mistaken as a gang member. I don't wear a patched vest when I ride my motorcycle, because I don't want to be mistaken for a member of an OMG.

But, look, after all that's been said, and with your previous post toward me, to wit:



I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You know them, I don't, but don't make me look like an asshole for trusting you. I'm on your side. Free the Vise Grips.

They won some nice coin from NYC because of my department.

Nope, which puts us on proximate footing.





 

You pulled that horseshit from FB I bet.

Motorcycle people vs cop lovers: the thread

URL gave it away?



 

 

McLennan County S.O., DPS, FBI, ATFE.........Not Waco PD.

At least I have some people actually from Texas correcting me on it now.



 

What will be your story when you OMG biker buddies are convicted and sitting in prison for the rest of their natural lives?

I normally bring an AR15 to eat a hamburger and attend regional motorcycle meetings in Waco. This was a pre planned gang attack.

Moving forward you might consider taking that evil black rifle with you next time .

Nope.  I never bother looking at the URL.  

I've seen that meme posted by some of the dumbest people imaginable on FB and I'm surprised you thought it would be clever or true.

You could have looked up the facts and known WPD wasn't involved, but you posted that just to be a cunt.