Well, in point of fact it's 5 out of 14 mods isn't it?

And I thought that there were one or two more in that group that were LEO or former LEO, but I don't want to say any names as I don't want to offend anyone.

ETA:  Some of those mods are inactive to the point that I don't even recognize their names.  There is one LEO mod I see that isn't very active in GD.  However, if you whittle that list down to currently active mods (of which  I count 8 or 9 - a matter of opinion of course) very nearly half are LEO.

I thought one was retired California LEO but I could be wrong.

I agree.  I see two names that I think might be retired LEOs.

But as I say above, if you throw out the mods that are no longer active, and the one LEO mod that is pretty inactive, that gets you to conservatively 4 (maybe 5) LEO mods out of 8 or 9 mods that are active.

I don’t envy them at all, and why anyone in their right mind becomes one anymore is beyond me. But to that same thing when I seen ARF cops and cops in real life giving opinions, when another officer fucks up I think to the Dave Chappell’s skit about the copy store.  “Cause fuck ‘em that’s why”

The TBL stance has damn sure hurt them and the fact that they are all lock step in responses, both here and IRL.   It’s fucking horseshit!   We all have fuck up’s among our ranks.   NO institutions are above hiring the idiot every now and then, it’s how it’s handled that that has been telling.

I was far more Pro LEO, when I joined a Pro LEO website than I am today.   Some has real life reasons and some of the reasons are from the reactions from the LEO here.

The solution is accountability among their peers, and we cant even begin to look at the problem until the people involved in the problem believe its a problem and expect any change.   But there damn sure is one!  When someone is an idiot, especially in your profession, call them one or it makes you all look bad.  It’s much easier to do damage control when you call out your own idiots.  And we’ve all hired our own, so get over the shame of making a bad hire.  Don’t double down on the stupid.

Same could be said about SS and Mods on a smaller scale.   What TBS did to KPrind (sp), is fucking horseshit!  That half ass attempt at an apology was fucking pathetic and every bit as insulting as the original call out!   I’d be livid if I was him, and he damn sure didn’t deserve it from what us members on this side have seen.   I honestly think most mods and staff are good folks looking out fo the community doing the best they can with what they’re given in a thankless job.  They’re not paid and unorganized as fuck, or so it appears.  Hopefully these are just hiccups as the new changes are being made, and I they to a certain degree it is.  Training mods has got to be a PITA!

ARFCom has some major fucking issues with this.  Nothing that can’t be overcome.  It’s the best forum on the net that I’ve found.   But get the fucking house in order!

I didn’t vote I wouldn’t renew, and I likely will barring a financial reason on my part.  This is still the best shindig on the web.  But I’d hate to see it head even more south.  Hopefully we’re just experiencing growing pains.

And the snarky comments to those suggesting and bitching by others and mods/staff.  Understand, the bitching, a lot of it at least, is coming from those of us who care about this place as a second home.   Kinda like your grandparent telling you how you’re fucking up raising your kid.  It may not always be the best advice, but there’s some wisdom and it’s not being done out of spite and some suggest.

I count 7?

Agree, put a poll up

There is one

Don't know the Sr Staff people,

But..

66% of Staff are LEO's.
35% of GD Mods are LEO's,give or take.

What percentage of the membership aren't LEO's ?

My guess it's probably more than 90%.

I don't have a point

you think 90% of the membership is LEO?

It's almost 7 o'clock on the west coast.  Past time to start drinking.

you do the same thing in suppressor threads in GD

Oops fixed it lol

I think the pole proves how the majority feel. It likely won’t change anything. I don’t usually pay attention to when is and isn’t a mod, but looking at the list a couple surprised me.

I would think good Mods would be people that had a history of being able to discuss issues reasonably. Some of those guys are hard line in their defense of the TBL. They may be great guys and great cops but they probably shouldn’t be the ones deciding if a comment is in fact anti LE. It’s like letting the rainbow coalition decide what is and isn’t hate speech.

Just flag the thread if a mod account moderates, and prohibit the personal account tied to that mod account from posting in the thread and vice versa. A blacklist of sorts, with a waiting period between posts from one account and the other account, if both are present in the thread. You could probably use the quote tree as a screener for that abuse as well, if you didn't have a waiting period. If you think something in the quotes needs to be changed, forward it to another mod for the final determination. The petitioning mod would have to explain why they thought it was an issue. Which, if it is a legitimate violation it should be pretty self evident. If it's not, file a hurt feelings report.

Shit, that might even help mods/staff get on the same page in the process and all of that could be logged to serve as a training tool/feedback for evaluating if someone is cutout to be a mod or not.

Anyone got a fiddle I can borrow? I shouldn't need it long.

The flames are getting brighter every day.

What percentage of Mods / Site Staff elevated to that position in 2019 are LEO?

I'm guessing the answer to that will reveal the problem.

No, it won't.

It's not just those assuming the role, but also those that retain that role while others that are non-LEO are removed from the role.

This website doesnt have a chance in hell of surviving if there arent at least 30% cops as Mods, they will save us from ourselves.

Then if there are any complaints, they will investigate themselves.

REPORTED......

When you have site staff openly shitting on moderators on the public side using made up BS that was an utter fabrication you have a complete failure of the administration here. Not only does it cause members to distrust staff statements, but furthermore, it is incredibly distasteful to have to watch. Moderators shouldn't have to take shit from anyone because they volunteer their time. It is in the COC I'm sure. For it to come from staff though and be pushed out on the public side - beyond belief. I would never let this happen to one of my mods. You need to fucking clean house around here as it is disgusting. That all the other mods and all of the staff aren't up in arms over this is extremely odd. Even if you wanted him out, the amount of disrespect shown here to a lifetime member, valuable contributor, and well trusted mod by the membership generally needs to be handled.

Sweep the leg....legs

Yeah, but you’re an Under_Score, so...

If the staff really cares about this site, they need to get new mods...

Why would they be scared?

A-fucking-men.

Just disgusting. I'm really, REALLY, goddamn disappointed in folks I thought were good people.

I only hope I can rely on joker and Aimless to be the change I want to be, goddamnit. No one fucking else will be - do you know how fucking galling it is to rely on a VAgy and a FUCKING NEW YORKER to fix things?

More of these:

Super serial:

“Cares”, autocorrect got me...

That thing between TBS and krpind -- I don't know how one can come back from that. That was fucked up.

You volunteering?

Did you know there are people who can look at a misspelled word and based on the context in which it is used, auto-correct it in their mind without losing a beat?

Obviously, you're not one of those people.

As long as they can't permanently modify that word in the database, and people that give a shit about accuracy and honestly can access the database, we are fine. If that is not the case, then we're fucked and we should all bail.

70% disapprove of how GD is moderated.
66% of the almost 1,500 members who voted in the poll say they will not renew their membership.
More long-time members are complaining about the moderation in GD than ever.
A moderator was falsely accused by SS of making statements he didn't make.

Houston, we have a problem.

We didn't have these problems when the Site was HQed in New York.

I blame the Texans and Iowans.

The lack of fiber from beans has them feeling a bit stopped up.

I saw a bunch of this in the Pit tonight, too.

Lol. Arf has become a dumpster fire. I’ll say it again.

Avilas were smart to sell when they did. The way things are going in here and “out there” I wonder if this place will survive another five years.

^ This

It is totally disingenuous when you couch your statement like that. Unless, every thread about a fallen police officer is an automatic memorial thread and any “civilian” death is fair game for dismissal or derision? Because the officer that was being discussed was definitely not a member or in the sub-forums, In Memoriam or BOTS.

‘Bama- “Oh, well.”  Ha, ha, funny.  Good one!
Damcv62- “Oh, well.”  Banned.

Is posting N.W.A.‘s, Fuck Tha Police video, song or lyrics verboten on this site? How about Steve Earle’s, Copperhead Road?

How about a picture of some troop with, “FTA“ on their helmet cover?  At least a warning, right?

Have you ever noticed that any thread that has anything to do with cops has the same hard-core “blue-liners” defending any action by police no matter how egregious?  

Worth repeating

When you're a cop, everyone is a suspect.

Don’t worry, according to darth-prof it’s just me and two other malcontents that are complaining. Nothing to worry about.

When you're military, everyone is the enemy.

This.

He's good people, and seeing staff suggesting he was a problem isnt a good look for this site.