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Link Posted: 10/21/2019 9:43:26 PM EST
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What this place needs is rotating staff and mods. Power corrupts, well it is insignificant power, but it is ar15.com power. Then again there might not be enough people that want the meaningless job.
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I volunteer to moderate the ylyl thread
Link Posted: 10/21/2019 9:46:13 PM EST
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I tried to reply in the other thread but didn't beat the lock.

Someone said that posting "will not comply" doesn't accomplish anything.

I don't completely agree with that. Non-compliance is a strength in numbers exercise and people are comforted by that notion. People posting that could in fact increase the numbers participating and generate a feeling a solidarity.
Link Posted: 10/21/2019 9:47:20 PM EST
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I feel sorry for you..those guys you put on a pedestal, they just laugh at you..but you seem to like it so...
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I can't wait for election season.
Might as well embrace it at this point.
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I feel sorry for you..those guys you put on a pedestal, they just laugh at you..but you seem to like it so...
Totally untrue.

They ALSO gave him a warning a couple days ago.....
Link Posted: 10/21/2019 10:04:03 PM EST
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I tried to reply in the other thread but didn't beat the lock.

Someone said that posting "will not comply" doesn't accomplish anything.

I don't completely agree with that. Non-compliance is a strength in numbers exercise and people are comforted by that notion. People posting that could in fact increase the numbers participating and generate a feeling a solidarity.
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agree
Link Posted: 10/21/2019 10:09:40 PM EST
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I can't wait for election season.
Might as well embrace it at this point.
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I feel sorry for you..those guys you put on a pedestal, they just laugh at you..but you seem to like it so...
I put no man on a pedestal.
Link Posted: 10/21/2019 10:11:37 PM EST
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Totally untrue.

They ALSO gave him a warning a couple days ago.....
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I can't wait for election season.
Might as well embrace it at this point.
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I feel sorry for you..those guys you put on a pedestal, they just laugh at you..but you seem to like it so...
Totally untrue.

They ALSO gave him a warning a couple days ago.....
Edit, no warning.
Link Posted: 10/21/2019 10:39:39 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/21/2019 10:47:50 PM EST
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Maybe he's a sMert as you. You turned the gig down to 10 seconds flat recently, didn't you?
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If the staff really cares about this site, they need to get new mods...
You volunteering?
Maybe he's a sMert as you. You turned the gig down to 10 seconds flat recently, didn't you?
You guys would never make me a mod....this is me moderating GD.
Link Posted: 10/21/2019 10:56:56 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/21/2019 10:57:48 PM EST
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You guys would never make me a mod....this is me moderating GD.
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Yeah but that's how it should be moderated.
Link Posted: 10/21/2019 11:01:31 PM EST
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Yeah but that's how it should be moderated.
I'd last a week.
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Link Posted: 10/21/2019 11:07:24 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/21/2019 11:22:57 PM EST
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I tried to reply in the other thread but didn't beat the lock.

Someone said that posting "will not comply" doesn't accomplish anything.

I don't completely agree with that. Non-compliance is a strength in numbers exercise and people are comforted by that notion. People posting that could in fact increase the numbers participating and generate a feeling a solidarity.
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That was me.  I see your point but that's more feels than reals.  Also you're plainly stating that when you do that you're posting in support of illegal activities.  You're encouraging other people to break the law.  I understand that you're encouraging other people to break what you consider is an unjust law.  I consider it an unjust law too.  But it's not civil disobedience without the disobedience and you're using someone else's site to do it.  When it's their site they get to have some say in whether or not they want to participate or not.

I think more than anything people here are just disillusioned more than anything else.  AR15.com is a website, not a political movement.  I don't think the old or new owners are bad people and I think they do support the 2nd amendment, within limits.  But this is a business first.
Link Posted: 10/21/2019 11:28:11 PM EST
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I tried to reply in the other thread but didn't beat the lock.

Someone said that posting "will not comply" doesn't accomplish anything.

I don't completely agree with that. Non-compliance is a strength in numbers exercise and people are comforted by that notion. People posting that could in fact increase the numbers participating and generate a feeling a solidarity.
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Glad I'm not alone there.

That's why I wanted some answers regarding the Colorado mag thread. If we can't even do it when the sheriffs themselves refuse to recognize the laws then that's really disheartening. It's been a week so I suppose the lack of answers is in itself an answer.
Link Posted: 10/21/2019 11:36:33 PM EST
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Also, if the staff thinks that having mostly law enforcement officers running the site is going to protect it somehow if there's some kind of controversy that ends up on the 24 hour news cycle, they're crazy.  Liberals hate cops too.
Link Posted: 10/21/2019 11:39:55 PM EST
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That was me.  I see your point but that's more feels than reals.  Also you're plainly stating that when you do that you're posting in support of illegal activities.  You're encouraging other people to break the law.  I understand that you're encouraging other people to break what you consider is an unjust law.  I consider it an unjust law too.  But it's not civil disobedience without the disobedience and you're using someone else's site to do it.  When it's their site they get to have some say in whether or not they want to participate or not.

I think more than anything people here are just disillusioned more than anything else.  AR15.com is a website, not a political movement.  I don't think the old or new owners are bad people and I think they do support the 2nd amendment, within limits.  But this is a business first.
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Perception is reality. I agree with you on the rest though. It is certainly up to the site what they allow or not. But at the same time they partially market themselves a 2nd A rights platform and they aren't a publisher so they shouldn't be liable for what people post. I think mostly, we just want clarity on the issue. If that's verboten then we can still use this site for tech and foolishness and find somewhere else to talk gun rights.

In case you or anyone else missed what we're talking about
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Colorado-magazine-law-/5-2263848/
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Locked-Colorado-Magazine-Thread-/5-2263901/
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Link Posted: 10/21/2019 11:49:17 PM EST
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But at the same time they partially market themselves a 2nd A rights platform and they aren't a publisher so they shouldn't be liable for what people post. I think mostly, we just want clarity on the issue. If that's verboten then we can still use this site for tech and foolishness and find somewhere else to talk gun rights.
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Yeah that's the meat of it right there.  At least for me.  I understand they get to decide to what degree they want to be involved.  But I also understand that lately this looks like they're trying to have it both ways.  Our 2nd amendment rights are not a lifestyle brand.  This isn't just a sticker for us to put on our trucks.  This is not a fucking Pinterest board.
Link Posted: 10/22/2019 12:11:04 AM EST
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Yeah that's the meat of it right there.  At least for me.  I understand they get to decide to what degree they want to be involved.  But I also understand that lately this looks like they're trying to have it both ways.  Our 2nd amendment rights are not a lifestyle brand.  This isn't just a sticker for us to put on our trucks.  This is not a fucking Pinterest board.
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Nailed it.
Link Posted: 10/22/2019 12:19:20 AM EST
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I appreciate your honesty.

Link Posted: 10/22/2019 12:32:19 AM EST
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You don't think they do?
Link Posted: 10/22/2019 12:39:23 AM EST
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Holy shit.  This ought to be a wake up call.  This is a site for gun owners.  Liberals hate gun owners, but they hate cops too.  If you're seeing a cop hater behind every bush you need think about where your head is.  Fuck me could there be any better illustration of what's wrong here?
Link Posted: 10/22/2019 12:43:22 AM EST
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Holy shit.  This ought to be a wake up call.  This is a site for gun owners.  Liberals hate gun owners, but they hate cops too.  If you're seeing a cop hater behind every bush you need think about where your head is.  Fuck me could there be any better illustration of what's wrong here?  
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No....You could not have illustrated it any better.

I'm not even mad. I'm impressed.
Link Posted: 10/22/2019 12:47:15 AM EST
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No....You could not have illustrated it any better.

I'm not even mad. I'm impressed.
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You'll get no argument from me, it speaks for itself.  I tried to see both sides of this but wow.
Link Posted: 10/22/2019 1:01:40 AM EST
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I initially liked the idea of cleaning up GD because I assumed it meant focusing on full time trolls/site disrupters. I thought that would be a good idea especially with the election ramping up. (I also thought there was a concern of losing hosting but I've since seen staff/mods ridicule that idea). I'm no longer a fan of operation clean sweep.

Hell, now we're being called trolls and disrupters.
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Link Posted: 10/22/2019 3:26:59 AM EST
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so I went to participate in the poll a mod or SS said for someone to create about mod suppory and its locked  wtf..
Link Posted: 10/22/2019 4:15:23 AM EST
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so I went to participate in the poll a mod or SS said for someone to create about mod suppory and its locked  wtf..
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OP requested it locked.  No conspiracy on that.
Link Posted: 10/22/2019 4:36:46 AM EST
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You'll get no argument from me, it speaks for itself.  I tried to see both sides of this but wow.
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You said in your post "Liberals hate cops too", implying that you hate cops.

He is thanking you for your honesty admitting that you hate cops, I am guessing he is a cop.

Only reason I think he is a cop is because only cops care if you hate cops.
Link Posted: 10/22/2019 4:48:02 AM EST
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I've figured it out. GD needs a villain to hate. The complaining about underscores got replace by complaining about the mods. I see the same people whining about mods that were whining about underscores. Problem is, people tell a lie often enough, and they sucker non instigators in.

I'm also wondering about some of these moderation complaints. If I was shareblue, I'd be piling on right now on the moderation complaining. I would be surprised if 100% of the complainers were right wing gun owners. I'm thinking some left wing trouble makers are here adding to the trouble.
Link Posted: 10/22/2019 4:55:54 AM EST
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I initially liked the idea of cleaning up GD because I assumed it meant focusing on full time trolls/site disrupters. I thought that would be a good idea especially with the election ramping up.
I can't wait for election season.
We need a contest .

How many normal posters get whacked for election season
Link Posted: 10/22/2019 5:02:14 AM EST
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You said in your post "Liberals hate cops too", implying that you hate cops.

He is thanking you for your honesty admitting that you hate cops, I am guessing he is a cop.

Only reason I think he is a cop is because only cops care if you hate cops.
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He had been talking about Liberals hating gun owners. I interpreted "Liberals hate cops too" as meaning that they hate cops in addition to hating  gun owners.

Written communication unfortunately loses a lot of contextual clues.

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Link Posted: 10/22/2019 5:26:26 AM EST
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He had been talking about Liberals hating gun owners. I interpreted "Liberals hate cops too" as meaning that they hate cops in addition to hating  gun owners.

Written communication unfortunately loses a lot of contextual clues.

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Thats how i read it as well.

I was just giving him colts interpretation and why he kept thanking him.
Link Posted: 10/22/2019 5:59:10 AM EST
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3rd party editorial time:

American conservatives fucked up bigly when they felt the need to go all law and order to protect themselves from drug using minorities. It was an  understandable overreaction but a tragic one. Rather than looking at the roots of many issues,which  would have required introspection and a degree of self-blame,they decided that cops and prisons would scare the people who frightened them into behaving properly. In reality it made the situation worse,cost a huge amount of money and made police into something they should not have been.

They created this idea that cops were the only thing standing between good and chaos and,humans being humans,cops adopted being warriors in blue rather than civil servants performing a job that should not be adversarial. The right wing made American cops into what they are now vs what it formerly wanted them to be. Popular culture is a reflection of a society: they don't want Sheriff Taylor anymore,they want a door kicking badass from pick your movie or TV show.

So,you get overcrowded prisons you are stuck paying for,police who hate their community and people who are scared of both the wolf and the sheepdog. The only way to fix this IME is to admit that liberals were actually right about a few things such as non-violent crime not needing a jackboot on the neck and crime largely being a socioeconomic problem that jackboots don't fix. Yeah,this isn't going to happen.

This whole notion of being "LE friendly" is ridiculous. You should not have to be "LE friendly" any more than garbage man friendly or road repair guy friendly but again,that's not what you wanted so it isn't what you got. It's only scary now that being "tough on crime" means the prospect of  enforcing laws you don't like with means you put at their disposal to combat people you don't like. The shoe being on the other foot just isn't very comfortable now.
Link Posted: 10/22/2019 6:04:52 AM EST
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Perception is reality. I agree with you on the rest though. It is certainly up to the site what they allow or not. But at the same time they partially market themselves a 2nd A rights platform and they aren't a publisher so they shouldn't be liable for what people post. I think mostly, we just want clarity on the issue. If that's verboten then we can still use this site for tech and foolishness and find somewhere else to talk gun rights.

In case you or anyone else missed what we're talking about
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Colorado-magazine-law-/5-2263848/
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Locked-Colorado-Magazine-Thread-/5-2263901/
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That was me.  I see your point but that's more feels than reals.  Also you're plainly stating that when you do that you're posting in support of illegal activities.  You're encouraging other people to break the law.  I understand that you're encouraging other people to break what you consider is an unjust law.  I consider it an unjust law too.  But it's not civil disobedience without the disobedience and you're using someone else's site to do it.  When it's their site they get to have some say in whether or not they want to participate or not.

I think more than anything people here are just disillusioned more than anything else.  AR15.com is a website, not a political movement.  I don't think the old or new owners are bad people and I think they do support the 2nd amendment, within limits.  But this is a business first.
Perception is reality. I agree with you on the rest though. It is certainly up to the site what they allow or not. But at the same time they partially market themselves a 2nd A rights platform and they aren't a publisher so they shouldn't be liable for what people post. I think mostly, we just want clarity on the issue. If that's verboten then we can still use this site for tech and foolishness and find somewhere else to talk gun rights.

In case you or anyone else missed what we're talking about
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Colorado-magazine-law-/5-2263848/
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Locked-Colorado-Magazine-Thread-/5-2263901/
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https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-I-will-not-comply-/5-1429118/?page=1
The statements that garnered warnings in the CO thread have been standard Arfcom fare since the beginning. In fact, as late as Freedom Week last March similar statements were made about California mag laws and how to circumvent them.

Now we're told we can't speak out against unconstitutional state mag laws? And if someone suggests a way to get around the law that triggers a warning?

This is something new. As a Californian, I find this change in CoC especially troubling.

I have a difficult time believing such statements always violated the CoC but were tolerated anyway. For over 20 years?
Link Posted: 10/22/2019 6:13:24 AM EST
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3rd party editorial time:

American conservatives fucked up bigly when they felt the need to go all law and order to protect themselves from drug using minorities. It was an  understandable overreaction but a tragic one. Rather than looking at the roots of many issues,which  would have required introspection and a degree of self-blame,they decided that cops and prisons would scare the people who frightened them into behaving properly. In reality it made the situation worse,cost a huge amount of money and made police into something they should not have been.

They created this idea that cops were the only thing standing between good and chaos and,humans being humans,cops adopted being warriors in blue rather than civil servants performing a job that should not be adversarial. The right wing made American cops into what they are now vs what it formerly wanted them to be. Popular culture is a reflection of a society: they don't want Sheriff Taylor anymore,they want a door kicking badass from pick your movie or TV show.

So,you get overcrowded prisons you are stuck paying for,police who hate their community and people who are scared of both the wolf and the sheepdog. The only way to fix this IME is to admit that liberals were actually right about a few things such as non-violent crime not needing a jackboot on the neck and crime largely being a socioeconomic problem that jackboots don't fix. Yeah,this isn't going to happen.

This whole notion of being "LE friendly" is ridiculous. You should not have to be "LE friendly" any more than garbage man friendly or road repair guy friendly but again,that's not what you wanted so it isn't what you got. It's only scary now that being "tough on crime" means the prospect of  enforcing laws you don't like with means you put at their disposal to combat people you don't like. The shoe being on the other foot just isn't very comfortable now.
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I guess that you'll be all for ATI programs and states like NY where noone will be going to jail soon.
Regular citizens aren't afraid of the police. If the people you hang with ARE afraid of police, I question whether they're regular citizens

We've been paying the criminal element off for the last fifty years with a growing slate of social welfare programs. Poverty is not the issue, it's an entitled class of society who thinks that the rest of society owes them a standard of living that they don't have to work for.
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I initially liked the idea of cleaning up GD because I assumed it meant focusing on full time trolls/site disrupters. I thought that would be a good idea especially with the election ramping up. (I also thought there was a concern of losing hosting but I've since seen staff/mods ridicule that idea). I'm no longer a fan of operation clean sweep.

Hell, now we're being called trolls and disrupters.
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you're picking fly shit out of pepper.  There are a tiny number of people who break the CoC, and a significant number of people who have concerns about how the new "clean up GD" is being executed, yet you are lumping them both together.
I initially liked the idea of cleaning up GD because I assumed it meant focusing on full time trolls/site disrupters. I thought that would be a good idea especially with the election ramping up. (I also thought there was a concern of losing hosting but I've since seen staff/mods ridicule that idea). I'm no longer a fan of operation clean sweep.

Hell, now we're being called trolls and disrupters.
There was an estimated 12 million Americans without healthcare when Obama took office. They could have been covered by Blue Shield or others and no one else's health plan would have been affected. Instead, we got this gigantic beast called Obamacare that resulted in everyone's health care premiums increasing, especially if they had "Cadillac" plans. Obamacare put us one step closer to single-payer, which is the liberal's ultimate goal. The left wants a system like the UK that needs to be funded every year so they can under fund it and use the money to buy votes or pad their own wallets.

All we needed was an HMO for 12 million people and we got Obamacare.

All we needed to do here was handle the under_scores, race baiters, trolls and Never-Trumpers and got Obamacare instead.
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I guess that you'll be all for ATI programs and states like NY where noone will be going to jail soon.
Regular citizens aren't afraid of the police. If the people you hang with ARE afraid of police, I question whether they're regular citizens

We've been paying the criminal element off for the last fifty years with a growing slate of social welfare programs. Poverty is not the issue, it's an entitled class of society who thinks that the rest of society owes them a standard of living that they don't have to work for.
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Are you afraid of the IRS?
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There was an estimated 12 million Americans without healthcare when Obama took office. They could have been covered by Blue Shield or others and no one else's health plan would have been affected. Instead, we got this gigantic beast called Obamacare that resulted in everyone's health care premiums increasing, especially if they had "Cadillac" plans. Obamacare put us one step closer to single-payer, which is the liberal's ultimate goal. The left wants a system like the UK that needs to be funded every year so they can under fund it and use the money to buy votes or pad their own wallets.

All we needed was an HMO for 12 million people and we got Obamacare.

All we needed to do here was handle the under_scores, race baiters, trolls and Never-Trumpers and got Obamacare instead.
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Maybe the problem people aren't the ones the rabble likes to point fingers at.
It sounds like you expected site moderation to turn the forum into an echo chamber where only approved ideas were posted
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"If you don't like the law have it changed."
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OP requested it locked.  No conspiracy on that.
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Who was the OP
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"If you don't like the law have it changed."
That's what the felon supporters did when that guy was forgotten about on Rikers.
Thanks again NYC for screwing up the rest of the state

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your post is a great example of what he's talking about.  You correctly identify the root cause as the welfare programs that create entitlement mindset, yet you still default back to "lock 'em up!!"
recidivist criminals need to be locked up. They cause the majority of the crime.
If you're out on bail and are arrested for more criminal activity, you need to have your original bail rescinded and locked up until at least one of your cases is adjudicated.
Not keep committing offenses and then have every charge rolled up into a plea deal where you plea to a single charge in satisfaction of a dozen charges. Which is what's happening now, and it'll only get worse in January when no one will be remanded to jail unless they commit one of a handful of serious felonies
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3rd party editorial time:

American conservatives fucked up bigly when they felt the need to go all law and order to protect themselves from drug using minorities. It was an  understandable overreaction but a tragic one. Rather than looking at the roots of many issues,which  would have required introspection and a degree of self-blame,they decided that cops and prisons would scare the people who frightened them into behaving properly. In reality it made the situation worse,cost a huge amount of money and made police into something they should not have been.

They created this idea that cops were the only thing standing between good and chaos and,humans being humans,cops adopted being warriors in blue rather than civil servants performing a job that should not be adversarial. The right wing made American cops into what they are now vs what it formerly wanted them to be. Popular culture is a reflection of a society: they don't want Sheriff Taylor anymore,they want a door kicking badass from pick your movie or TV show.

So,you get overcrowded prisons you are stuck paying for,police who hate their community and people who are scared of both the wolf and the sheepdog. The only way to fix this IME is to admit that liberals were actually right about a few things such as non-violent crime not needing a jackboot on the neck and crime largely being a socioeconomic problem that jackboots don't fix. Yeah,this isn't going to happen.

This whole notion of being "LE friendly" is ridiculous. You should not have to be "LE friendly" any more than garbage man friendly or road repair guy friendly but again,that's not what you wanted so it isn't what you got. It's only scary now that being "tough on crime" means the prospect of  enforcing laws you don't like with means you put at their disposal to combat people you don't like. The shoe being on the other foot just isn't very comfortable now.
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Good post.
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I can't wait for election season.
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I initially liked the idea of cleaning up GD because I assumed it meant focusing on full time trolls/site disrupters. I thought that would be a good idea especially with the election ramping up.
I can't wait for election season.
It's gonna be LEGENDARY!!!
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