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Posted: 10/22/2019 4:23:32 PM EDT
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The law is the law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The state government admitted that they had forgotten to exempt law enforcement in the legislation, stated that it was not their intent to have LEOs restricted under SAFE and passed an amendment in a matter of literally days to correct the issue It was the law, correct? Do you get to determine “intent” on all of the laws? Seems like if you did you wouldn’t be saying things like “I don’t get to choose what I enforce.” Buuuuuuuuut, we know the answer to that already. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 4:30:57 PM EDT
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LOL no. If the legislature that passed the bill stated that it was not their legislative intent to restrict LEO, and in fact passed amendments to correct their omission, it's him trying to post an irrelevant gotcha. I think that his complaint is ironic , given that during the federal ban I did not use my police status for years to get a restricted AR at work but instead carried preban mags and s ban compliant rifle. But he wants to make an issue out of a week where it's a huge non-issue Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Lol. Got heeeeemm. I think that his complaint is ironic , given that during the federal ban I did not use my police status for years to get a restricted AR at work but instead carried preban mags and s ban compliant rifle. But he wants to make an issue out of a week where it's a huge non-issue |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 4:41:10 PM EDT
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Tell us again how government is supposed to fund it's operations Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Umm...shouldn't ALL American's be tax protesters? Taxation is Theft! The United States operated just fine prior to the Federal Income Tax being passed in 1913. Not to mention maybe the US Government wouldn't be $20 Trillion or more in debt if it didn't have this large a crutch to lean on. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 4:43:36 PM EDT
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Lol, even I think you are too much of a hard ass on that. 
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Posted: 10/22/2019 4:49:18 PM EDT
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The men who wrote the Constitution never intended for the bearing of arms to be restricted at all, and in fact passed an amendment to correct their omission. One might argue that's because we have had to good for so long that many citizens cannot envision it being any different. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 4:50:46 PM EDT
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I dunno, fiscal responsibility perhaps? The United States operated just fine prior to the Federal Income Tax being passed in 1913. Not to mention maybe the US Government wouldn't be $20 Trillion or more in debt if it didn't have this large a crutch to lean on. The US pre 1913 was an isolationist nation with nowhere near the global presence we have today. That costs money, as each nation throughout history that has sat at the top of the world dominance heap has found when they've been there. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 5:03:59 PM EDT
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Umm...shouldn't ALL American's be tax protesters? Taxation is Theft! Then they should get involved, politically, to ensure people are elected to office to see those taxes, at worst, are as low as possible and, at best, go away completely. For me, personally, I would love to see the 16th Amendment repealed and the progressive income tax disappear into the dustbin of history and I will work and support anyone who would see that happen. Until then, I recommend people pay their taxes. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 5:29:25 PM EDT
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The state government admitted that they had forgotten to exempt law enforcement in the legislation, stated that it was not their intent to have LEOs restricted under SAFE and passed an amendment in a matter of literally days to correct the issue And during that time, you chose to ignore said law. Seems like you are admitting to that fact. You can't have it both ways. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 6:11:31 PM EDT
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So start a thread called: "We demand a mod WE CAN ELECT FOR OURSELVES - to be reelected every 30 days!" |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 6:20:04 PM EDT
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And unfortunately our country today cannot agree as to their intent or even the relevance of the Amendment to modern society. One might argue that's because we have had to good for so long that many citizens cannot envision it being any different. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 6:22:53 PM EDT
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 i dont think harry stone is a liberalQuote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: You'll get no argument from me, it speaks for itself. I tried to see both sides of this but wow. He is thanking you for your honesty admitting that you hate cops, I am guessing he is a cop. Only reason I think he is a cop is because only cops care if you hate cops. i dont think harry stone is a liberal |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 7:22:18 PM EDT
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And unfortunately our country today cannot agree as to their intent or even the relevance of the Amendment to modern society. One might argue that's because we have had to good for so long that many citizens cannot envision it being any different. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The men who wrote the Constitution never intended for the bearing of arms to be restricted at all, and in fact passed an amendment to correct their omission. One might argue that's because we have had to good for so long that many citizens cannot envision it being any different. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 7:27:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only someone that's unable to read the text for themselves could be confused by "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" or the Constitutional amendment process in Article V. "...To a modern society" should mean literally nothing with regard to the Constitution and it's shocking that someone that swore to support and defend it would crumple it up so. 
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Posted: 10/22/2019 7:39:57 PM EDT
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I nominate Krpind Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So start a thread called: "We demand a mod WE CAN ELECT FOR OURSELVES - to be reelected every 30 days!" I respectfully decline. 
I did my time. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 7:45:30 PM EDT
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lol I respectfully decline.
I did my time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So start a thread called: "We demand a mod WE CAN ELECT FOR OURSELVES - to be reelected every 30 days!" I respectfully decline.
I did my time. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 7:47:16 PM EDT
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lol I respectfully decline.
I did my time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So start a thread called: "We demand a mod WE CAN ELECT FOR OURSELVES - to be reelected every 30 days!" I respectfully decline.
I did my time. 
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Posted: 10/22/2019 9:05:21 PM EDT
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I nominate Krpind Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So start a thread called: "We demand a mod WE CAN ELECT FOR OURSELVES - to be reelected every 30 days!" |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 9:17:11 PM EDT
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And unfortunately our country today cannot agree as to their intent or even the relevance of the Amendment to modern society. One might argue that's because we have had to good for so long that many citizens cannot envision it being any different. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The men who wrote the Constitution never intended for the bearing of arms to be restricted at all, and in fact passed an amendment to correct their omission. One might argue that's because we have had to good for so long that many citizens cannot envision it being any different.  
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:38:48 AM EDT
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Tell us again how government is supposed to fund it's operations Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Umm...shouldn't ALL American's be tax protesters? Taxation is Theft! |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 3:15:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh ... Gov't should be so small that it doesn't require taxing us to death to run it. It doesn't matter how small someones tax burden is, they'll still complain that it's too much tax. People expect functional government. That requires funding through taxation |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 4:10:30 AM EDT
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Tell us again, what level of functional government doesn't require taxes to fund operations. It doesn't matter how small someones tax burden is, they'll still complain that it's too much tax. People expect functional government. That requires funding through taxation Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Uh ... Gov't should be so small that it doesn't require taxing us to death to run it. It doesn't matter how small someones tax burden is, they'll still complain that it's too much tax. People expect functional government. That requires funding through taxation |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 4:17:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not what was stated. "Taxing us to death" is what was stated. Do you think there is anything wrong with the current tax code, or do you think it's pretty fair? There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 4:31:04 AM EDT
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That guy is on ignore for a good reason, and it's not because of his witty sense of humor and intelligence Quote HistoryQuoted:
That guy is on ignore for a good reason, and it's not because of his witty sense of humor and intelligence |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 4:33:38 AM EDT
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I know he said taxed to death. The problem is that that is an imprecise term, and no matter how low taxes go, someone will always be claiming that they're being taxed to death. People expect a functional level of government. That requires a revenue stream adequate to fund those operations. There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That's not what was stated. "Taxing us to death" is what was stated. Do you think there is anything wrong with the current tax code, or do you think it's pretty fair? There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 4:42:20 AM EDT
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I know he said taxed to death. The problem is that that is an imprecise term, and no matter how low taxes go, someone will always be claiming that they're being taxed to death. People expect a functional level of government. That requires a revenue stream adequate to fund those operations. There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be Your entire understanding of our government, what it does, and how it pays its bills appears to be outdated. Our progressive income tax has more to do with redistributing wealth, buying votes, and altering the social fabric of our nation than it does with providing tax receipts to the government. The 16th amendment was ratified in 1913. A whole hell of a lot of history took place in America between our founding and that moment in time.
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:06:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh ... Gov't should be so small that it doesn't require taxing us to death to run it. Today, I saw an eleven-cent "check engine' LED go on in the (2 Y-O) truck; it sent cold chills down my spine. The more I think about that, the more pissed-off I get. Gov could literally take my truck & fine me $2,500 for not maintaining service as THEY see fit (it's for my own good of course).  This has gone too far for too long.... |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:08:07 AM EDT
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Yes. Every single facet. Today, I saw an eleven-cent "check engine' LED go on in the (2 Y-O) truck; it sent cold chills down my spine. The more I think about that, the more pissed-off I get. Gov could literally take my truck & fine me $2,500 for not maintaining service as THEY see fit (it's for my own good of course). This has gone too far for too long.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Uh ... Gov't should be so small that it doesn't require taxing us to death to run it. Today, I saw an eleven-cent "check engine' LED go on in the (2 Y-O) truck; it sent cold chills down my spine. The more I think about that, the more pissed-off I get. Gov could literally take my truck & fine me $2,500 for not maintaining service as THEY see fit (it's for my own good of course). This has gone too far for too long.... 
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:08:39 AM EDT
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Maybe the problem people aren't the ones the rabble likes to point fingers at. It sounds like you expected site moderation to turn the forum into an echo chamber where only approved ideas were posted Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There was an estimated 12 million Americans without healthcare when Obama took office. They could have been covered by Blue Shield or others and no one else's health plan would have been affected. Instead, we got this gigantic beast called Obamacare that resulted in everyone's health care premiums increasing, especially if they had "Cadillac" plans. Obamacare put us one step closer to single-payer, which is the liberal's ultimate goal. The left wants a system like the UK that needs to be funded every year so they can under fund it and use the money to buy votes or pad their own wallets. All we needed was an HMO for 12 million people and we got Obamacare. All we needed to do here was handle the under_scores, race baiters, trolls and Never-Trumpers and got Obamacare instead. It sounds like you expected site moderation to turn the forum into an echo chamber where only approved ideas were posted |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:30:47 AM EDT
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Yes. Every single facet. Today, I saw an eleven-cent "check engine' LED go on in the (2 Y-O) truck; it sent cold chills down my spine. The more I think about that, the more pissed-off I get. Gov could literally take my truck & fine me $2,500 for not maintaining service as THEY see fit (it's for my own good of course). This has gone too far for too long.... |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:32:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not at all. I just wanted the obvious trolls and baiters removed. The same people that came into every Trump thread, for instance, and tried to derail it. I have no problem hearing the underscore's POV, but when they are simply there to derail threads they bring nothing to the table. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:43:32 AM EDT
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Ok, the light itself is eleven cents, but it's on for a reason. I'm assuming that you'll want to figure out what that reason is and fix it. You shouldn't have to need a fine to motivate you to maintain your equipment. But somehow in your mind the fact that your equipment has a deficiency, that's the fault of government Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. Every single facet. Today, I saw an eleven-cent "check engine' LED go on in the (2 Y-O) truck; it sent cold chills down my spine. The more I think about that, the more pissed-off I get. Gov could literally take my truck & fine me $2,500 for not maintaining service as THEY see fit (it's for my own good of course). This has gone too far for too long.... We're talking about two completely different things. (turned out to be a faulty fuel injector that Ford is going to repair under warranty, but that was never the point) |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:46:31 AM EDT
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Ok, the light itself is eleven cents, but it's on for a reason. I'm assuming that you'll want to figure out what that reason is and fix it. You shouldn't have to need a fine to motivate you to maintain your equipment. But somehow in your mind the fact that your equipment has a deficiency, that's the fault of government Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. Every single facet. Today, I saw an eleven-cent "check engine' LED go on in the (2 Y-O) truck; it sent cold chills down my spine. The more I think about that, the more pissed-off I get. Gov could literally take my truck & fine me $2,500 for not maintaining service as THEY see fit (it's for my own good of course). This has gone too far for too long.... One main reason it costs so much to fund the .gov is because they have their nose in virtually everything. The other primary reason is that they are terrible stewards of the public monies. If any publicly traded company ran its finances like the .gov, the officers of it would be jailed after it went belly up (which wouldn't take long) for gross malfeasance. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:46:40 AM EDT
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"In my mind"? That's kind of rude, Princess. Please think before you reply. We're talking about two completely different things. (turned out to be a faulty fuel injector that Ford is going to repair under warranty, but that was never the point) |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:50:34 AM EDT
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You miss the point that the .gov has expanded to insane levels. One main reason it costs so much to fund the .gov is because they have their nose in virtually everything. The other primary reason is that they are terrible stewards of the public monies. If any publicly traded company ran its finances like the .gov, the officers of it would be jailed after it went belly up (which wouldn't take long) for gross malfeasance. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:53:50 AM EDT
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You clearly blamed government for the issue of the light coming on. No, he didn't. government fining you for your faulty equipment is somehow the fault of government. Somehow? Or so it sounded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"In my mind"? That's kind of rude, Princess. Please think before you reply. We're talking about two completely different things. (turned out to be a faulty fuel injector that Ford is going to repair under warranty, but that was never the point) government fining you for your faulty equipment is somehow the fault of government. Somehow? Or so it sounded. But don't blame me if I break your nose.
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:59:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm going to punch you in the nose every time you say, "Hi." But don't blame me if I break your nose. Your example of assault on me ( breaking my nose ) has nothing to do with the discussion |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:00:32 AM EDT
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I don't miss the point. I see that argument here a lot. Modern society is complex. Advocating for shrinking government down to an eighteenth century level of governance isn't going to work. ... No government bureaucrat or group of government bureaucrats can come close to understanding, let alone managing, such complex systems which is why command economies always fail. Stop the government from trying to manage something they can't, not should or shouldn't but can't, and there won't be a need for the massive fleecing of our population. Our government is as large as it is because people are corrupt and corrupt people have no problem taking money from one group, skimming off the top to line their pockets, and then handing the rest over to someone else so long as they get more power out of the deal. Democrats (they aren't liberal) don't want social programs: they want power. Republicans don't want military spending: they want power. Our government can function just fine at a fraction of their current size. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:02:38 AM EDT
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I don't miss the point. I see that argument here a lot. Modern society is complex. Advocating for shrinking government down to an eighteenth century level of governance isn't going to work. We get the government we want. Everyone wants some aspect of the government we have. Maybe not the entirety; liberals want more social programs. Conservatives want more military spending. What we have is a compromise of those competing desires Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You miss the point that the .gov has expanded to insane levels. One main reason it costs so much to fund the .gov is because they have their nose in virtually everything. The other primary reason is that they are terrible stewards of the public monies. If any publicly traded company ran its finances like the .gov, the officers of it would be jailed after it went belly up (which wouldn't take long) for gross malfeasance. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:05:33 AM EDT
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He said that he was upset ( chills down his spine ) because the government could fine him for a deficiency with his vehicle. How else was I supposed to take that statement? Your example of assault on me ( breaking my nose ) has nothing to do with the discussion The government created that offense and the punitive fine that goes with it. How is the entity that created that law not responsible for the law they created? |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:06:11 AM EDT
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I don't miss the point. I see that argument here a lot. Modern society is complex. Advocating for shrinking government down to an eighteenth century level of governance isn't going to work. We get the government we want. Everyone wants some aspect of the government we have. Maybe not the entirety; liberals want more social programs. Conservatives want more military spending. What we have is a compromise of those competing desires |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:06:52 AM EDT
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The problem is that some people here consider anyone who disagrees with them to be a troll who should be silenced @Lug1 |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:07:44 AM EDT
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What the heck are you east coast guys doing up so late?
ETA: or is it early? Wow I gotta to to sleep. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:08:33 AM EDT
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What the heck are you east coast guys doing up so late? |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:09:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if I were to stipulate to your post above (which I'd have serious issues with) the delivery, oversight and budgetary incompetence and malfeasance with virtually no repercussion for outright failure, not to mention just the gross inefficiency with which it is delivered would be criminal in any publicly traded venture. I don't know what issues you are having with what I posted, which is a pretty accurate summation of why we have the government we have |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:10:40 AM EDT
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He said that he was upset ( chills down his spine ) because the government could fine him for a deficiency with his vehicle. How else was I supposed to take that statement? Your example of assault on me ( breaking my nose ) has nothing to do with the discussion Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:10:51 AM EDT
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What the heck are you east coast guys doing up so late?
ETA: or is it early? Wow I gotta to to sleep. Have to be on a trail in an hour or so Go to bed west coaster |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:17:58 AM EDT
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Then work to improve the delivery of the services that people want. The answer is not to wholesale slash entire sections of the government. I don't know what issues you are having with what I posted, which is a pretty accurate summation of why we have the government we have Anything our government does is a poor imitation of what the free market could provide at double the cost and half the efficiency. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:18:28 AM EDT
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Then work to improve the delivery of the services that people want. The answer is not to wholesale slash entire sections of the government. I don't know what issues you are having with what I posted, which is a pretty accurate summation of why we have the government we have Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Even if I were to stipulate to your post above (which I'd have serious issues with) the delivery, oversight and budgetary incompetence and malfeasance with virtually no repercussion for outright failure, not to mention just the gross inefficiency with which it is delivered would be criminal in any publicly traded venture. I don't know what issues you are having with what I posted, which is a pretty accurate summation of why we have the government we have 2- You fail to take into account the effect that massive amounts of private money has on the members of the .gov through both campaign donation and "lobbying" LOL |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:29:37 AM EDT
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You clearly blamed government for the issue of the light coming on. Somehow government fining you for your faulty equipment is somehow the fault of government. Or so it sounded.  Specifically the EPA...yep fuel injection was forced on the automakers by the wonderful EPA...
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:31:44 AM EDT
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You can have all of the fiscal responsibility in the world; you still need a revenue stream. The US pre 1913 was an isolationist nation with nowhere near the global presence we have today. That costs money, as each nation throughout history that has sat at the top of the world dominance heap has found when they've been there. https://www.foreignassistance.gov/explore 138 million US taxpayers. That means every taxpayer essentally has to pony up $10 to Egypt. Why? Because we just give out free money. |
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