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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:19:46 AM EDT
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Their company, their rules. Move from that utopia you have out there.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:20:09 AM EDT
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If that's all they did, I wouldn't be butthurt. Cancelling open orders so they can double the price and re-list it is what got me pissed off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Find another vendor. They are overprice during normal times and then when panic starts their supply goes down and their prices inversely proportionally go up and that pisses everyone off here. They all get butthurt because CTD follows the simple rules of economics. Long story short you will not get a good answer here. If that's all they did, I wouldn't be butthurt. Cancelling open orders so they can double the price and re-list it is what got me pissed off. Touche, I forgot that part. I still have a receipt from 1K of M855 from them in the early 2000's for $139. I need to find it for nostalgia purposes. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:21:33 AM EDT
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bless your heart
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:23:24 AM EDT
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bless your heart Im new here. 
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:25:31 AM EDT
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Obviously, I have involuntarily done zero business with them. In light of my newfound knowledge, I won't even attempt it in the future. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is a blessing in disguise. CTD is a horrible company. Please stop doing business with them. Obviously, I have involuntarily done zero business with them. In light of my newfound knowledge, I won't even attempt it in the future. GD wins this round... Your move, CTD, your move. 
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:28:57 AM EDT
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bless your heart Im new here. Well a CTD-bashing thread wasn't a bad way to start. 
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:30:46 AM EDT
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Your anger is misdirected, it should lie with your lawmakers. CTD just said fuck it we aren't chancing shipping a banned item to California. exactly. The CA laws are too convoluted and CTD has decided it is better for business to just not ship to CA instead of employing lawyers to double check every order destined for CA and then check it again in case the first two lawyers fuck it up. This is not a problem with CTD, it is a problem with communist lawmakers in CA. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:31:22 AM EDT
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Given what I know about CA political structure, I wouldn't ship anything gun related to the state either.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:32:02 AM EDT
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Double fail. Cheaper than dirt and California . This. Duh. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:34:15 AM EDT
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Fuck California This |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:34:54 AM EDT
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exactly. The CA laws are too convoluted and CTD has decided it is better for business to just not ship to CA instead of employing lawyers to double check every order destined for CA and then check it again in case the first two lawyers fuck it up. This is not a problem with CTD, it is a problem with communist lawmakers in CA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your anger is misdirected, it should lie with your lawmakers. CTD just said fuck it we aren't chancing shipping a banned item to California. exactly. The CA laws are too convoluted and CTD has decided it is better for business to just not ship to CA instead of employing lawyers to double check every order destined for CA and then check it again in case the first two lawyers fuck it up. This is not a problem with CTD, it is a problem with communist lawmakers in CA. Are you saying that every other company who ships here (and there are plenty) have an army of lawyers on retainer who review every single order and verify it's legality? |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:38:31 AM EDT
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I'm not a fan of CTD either. I can find it cheaper somewhere else and the shipping is going to be cheaper half the time.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:39:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:43:15 AM EDT
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FIFY ScottyDoesntKnow HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE. Never seen that one before. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:45:41 AM EDT
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Maybe it has to do with the fact that just about everything is regulated in some way in California, and the state is replete with AGs who would love to file civil actions across state lines for BS reasons. I don't blame any gun/ammo/accessories company who won't ship anything to CA, or NY, NJ, IL, MA, etc... Correct-answer |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:48:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for the insight. I was in Afghanistan when that went down, so I missed out on the price gouging I suppose. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Double fail. Cheaper than dirt and California . Could you elaborate? I see a lot of CTD hate, and I'm starting to get it. I'm not "in the know", as it were... In the days (and months) after Sandy Hook happened, people were panic-buying any gun-related thing they could get their hands on. Meanwhile, CTD was busy price-gouging the holy living fuck out of all of their customers. They were basically the only ones who had AR mags, ammo, "cool" firearms, etc. in stock on a regular basis and so they set their prices for astronomical, knowing that people would pay whatever they asked because lots of people thought AR's would be banned federally and this was their last chance to get one or to get mags. CTD was charging $600 for a 100rd Beta Mag, $140 for a standard PMag, and $100 for used USGI mags. You could buy a standard, bottom-shelf AR from them for maybe $3k if they had one in stock. It was pretty fucking disgusting, especially considering the blatant irony of their business name. Fuck CTD. Now you've been informed, OP.  Thank you for the insight. I was in Afghanistan when that went down, so I missed out on the price gouging I suppose. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:48:03 AM EDT
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Fuck California Pretty much CTD decided they don't need Cali's business. Now here's the idea behind it. 1) Your pissed... That,s what they want 2) If your pissed enough (Cali public at large) you'll stop voting for gun grabbing tree hugging commie assholes. Am I right? |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:50:47 AM EDT
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It wasn't just the Post Sandy Hook panic either.
I remember the panic before that (was it Obama re-election?) 380 ammo was especially hard to come by. CTD had boxes of it for something like $150 a box IIRC. People started leaving negative reviews on their page, but CTD kept deleting them. So the members here started leaving ridiculously positive reviews for it instead. That thread was Hilarious. Comments like: "when you see the way the shells blade from your ejection port at 45 degrees, you will know why these rounds are worth the extra cost."
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:51:46 AM EDT
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Pretty much CTD decided they don't need Cali's business. Now here's the idea behind it. 1) Your pissed... That,s what they want 2) If your pissed enough (Cali public at large) you'll stop voting for gun grabbing tree hugging commie assholes. Am I right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck California Pretty much CTD decided they don't need Cali's business. Now here's the idea behind it. 1) Your pissed... That,s what they want 2) If your pissed enough (Cali public at large) you'll stop voting for gun grabbing tree hugging commie assholes. Am I right? Nope. I still get everything I want, they just don't get my money. Asking a question =/= being butthurt. Anyone who's pro2A here already doesn't vote for gun grabbers. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:51:50 AM EDT
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In the days (and months) after Sandy Hook happened, people were panic-buying any gun-related thing they could get their hands on. Meanwhile, CTD was busy price-gouging the holy living fuck out of all of their customers. They were basically the only ones who had AR mags, ammo, "cool" firearms, etc. in stock on a regular basis and so they set their prices for astronomical, knowing that people would pay whatever they asked because lots of people thought AR's would be banned federally and this was their last chance to get one or to get mags. CTD was charging $600 for a 100rd Beta Mag, $140 for a standard PMag, and $100 for used USGI mags. You could buy a standard, bottom-shelf AR from them for maybe $3k if they had one in stock. It was pretty fucking disgusting, especially considering the blatant irony of their business name. Fuck CTD. Now you've been informed, OP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Double fail. Cheaper than dirt and California . Could you elaborate? I see a lot of CTD hate, and I'm starting to get it. I'm not "in the know", as it were... In the days (and months) after Sandy Hook happened, people were panic-buying any gun-related thing they could get their hands on. Meanwhile, CTD was busy price-gouging the holy living fuck out of all of their customers. They were basically the only ones who had AR mags, ammo, "cool" firearms, etc. in stock on a regular basis and so they set their prices for astronomical, knowing that people would pay whatever they asked because lots of people thought AR's would be banned federally and this was their last chance to get one or to get mags. CTD was charging $600 for a 100rd Beta Mag, $140 for a standard PMag, and $100 for used USGI mags. You could buy a standard, bottom-shelf AR from them for maybe $3k if they had one in stock. It was pretty fucking disgusting, especially considering the blatant irony of their business name. Fuck CTD. Now you've been informed, OP. ^^^^ Amen |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:54:05 AM EDT
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Have you tried Brownells?
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:56:11 AM EDT
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Have you tried Brownells? I get a lot of stuff from Brownells, midway, PA, CDG ARMS, CDNN, etc. I still find great deals... |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:04:26 AM EDT
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In the days (and months) after Sandy Hook happened, people were panic-buying any gun-related thing they could get their hands on. Meanwhile, CTD was busy price-gouging the holy living fuck out of all of their customers. They were basically the only ones who had AR mags, ammo, "cool" firearms, etc. in stock on a regular basis and so they set their prices for astronomical, knowing that people would pay whatever they asked because lots of people thought AR's would be banned federally and this was their last chance to get one or to get mags. CTD was charging $600 for a 100rd Beta Mag, $140 for a standard PMag, and $100 for used USGI mags. You could buy a standard, bottom-shelf AR from them for maybe $3k if they had one in stock. It was pretty fucking disgusting, especially considering the blatant irony of their business name. Fuck CTD. Now you've been informed, OP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Double fail. Cheaper than dirt and California . Could you elaborate? I see a lot of CTD hate, and I'm starting to get it. I'm not "in the know", as it were... In the days (and months) after Sandy Hook happened, people were panic-buying any gun-related thing they could get their hands on. Meanwhile, CTD was busy price-gouging the holy living fuck out of all of their customers. They were basically the only ones who had AR mags, ammo, "cool" firearms, etc. in stock on a regular basis and so they set their prices for astronomical, knowing that people would pay whatever they asked because lots of people thought AR's would be banned federally and this was their last chance to get one or to get mags. CTD was charging $600 for a 100rd Beta Mag, $140 for a standard PMag, and $100 for used USGI mags. You could buy a standard, bottom-shelf AR from them for maybe $3k if they had one in stock. It was pretty fucking disgusting, especially considering the blatant irony of their business name. Fuck CTD. Now you've been informed, OP. So they had inventory in stock but we're also moving inventory at the prices they set? Sounds like free market capitalism to me. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:05:52 AM EDT
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bless your heart Im new here. I'm not sure about that |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:06:02 AM EDT
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These are better than Midway shipping threads.
Oh and FUCK CTD! Let's not forget they quit selling any AR-15's just after Sandy Hook. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:08:47 AM EDT
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bless your heart Im new here. I'm not sure about that I only have 35 posts. :( |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:08:55 AM EDT
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I don’t blame CTD for not shipping to CA. The small amount they could make might be wiped out many times over if a CA Da decided to sue.
On their price gouging, Neil Boortz makes a strong case on why price gouging is a good thing. If the price is low, but the demand is high, a small number of people might buy up the entire supply. See the Neckbeards and .22 ammo threads here. If the price goes up drastically, people will only buy what they need, leaving more of the product for others. Would you rathr pay $194 for a mag, or be told sorry they are out of stock. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:10:31 AM EDT
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1) CTD is a private business. They can do or not do business with whoever they want. They have chosen to not do business with Kali residents.
2) Bullet buttons or any of the other work-arounds.......that's putting lipstick on a pig. 3) If you don't like it, work to change the laws or work to remove yourself from Kali. 4) You aren't going to get much love from ARF with the kali problem. Most of us have written that (and a few others) state off as "land of libtardned" 5) I wouldn't sell to kali either. Not worth it. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:11:15 AM EDT
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The voters of California decide what sort of gun laws they want to enact and the owners of CTD decide what sort of business practices they want to adhere to.
Fuck California. BTW; comes 2015 most gun manufacturers will be intentionally allowing their products to fall off of the California "roster" because they are tired of the bullshit and expense required by the State of California in order to continue to sell their firearms there. You've got a lot more problems than CTD's decision not to ship to you. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:11:59 AM EDT
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The voters of California decide what sort of gun laws they want to enact and the owners of CTD decide what sort of business practices they want to adhere to. Fuck California. BTW; comes 2015 most gun manufacturers will be intentionally allowing their products to fall off of the California "roster" because they are tired of the bullshit and expense required by the State of California in order to continue to sell their firearms there. You've got a lot more problems than CTD's decision not to ship to you. and all of this too. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:12:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So they had inventory in stock but we're also moving inventory at the prices they set? Sounds like free market capitalism to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Double fail. Cheaper than dirt and California . Could you elaborate? I see a lot of CTD hate, and I'm starting to get it. I'm not "in the know", as it were... In the days (and months) after Sandy Hook happened, people were panic-buying any gun-related thing they could get their hands on. Meanwhile, CTD was busy price-gouging the holy living fuck out of all of their customers. They were basically the only ones who had AR mags, ammo, "cool" firearms, etc. in stock on a regular basis and so they set their prices for astronomical, knowing that people would pay whatever they asked because lots of people thought AR's would be banned federally and this was their last chance to get one or to get mags. CTD was charging $600 for a 100rd Beta Mag, $140 for a standard PMag, and $100 for used USGI mags. You could buy a standard, bottom-shelf AR from them for maybe $3k if they had one in stock. It was pretty fucking disgusting, especially considering the blatant irony of their business name. Fuck CTD. Now you've been informed, OP. So they had inventory in stock but we're also moving inventory at the prices they set? Sounds like free market capitalism to me. You know what else is free market capitalism? Guys like HammerHammer voting with their wallets and telling CTD to fuck off. Count me in that group as well.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:12:46 AM EDT
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IBTL
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:13:25 AM EDT
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Yes, probably thousands of orders. Thats why they can afford not to ship to California and Connecticut too-where you can't buy an AR at all unless you are an exempted class citizen or pay 10x the value for a preban. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you suppose anyone took them up on their $140 PMAG steals? Yes, probably thousands of orders. Thats why they can afford not to ship to California and Connecticut too-where you can't buy an AR at all unless you are an exempted class citizen or pay 10x the value for a preban. CDNN will not ship 10 rnd mags to Ct SG ammo will not ship ammo even with proper permit Many private sellers will not do any biz to "ban" states New normal There are plenty that will |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:14:04 AM EDT
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Maybe they don't need the potentially serious legal headaches.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:15:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It very much does lie with them, trust me. Regardless, Californians still desire and are able to acquire things from virtually every other company. It just mystifies me why a company would shut out millions of potential customers plaintiffs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your anger is misdirected, it should lie with your lawmakers. CTD just said fuck it we aren't chancing shipping a banned item to California. It very much does lie with them, trust me. Regardless, Californians still desire and are able to acquire things from virtually every other company. It just mystifies me why a company would shut out millions of potential customers plaintiffs. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:17:12 AM EDT
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Double fail. Cheaper than dirt and California . This! |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:17:25 AM EDT
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How far are you from Las Vegas, OP? They usually have good gun shows that have just about anything you could want for your EBR. If you need a few days off, coordinate a trip to LV to coincide with a gun show. Check in with the NV hometown forum and someone there should be able to give you dates, plus info on where to stay and what to do in LV...
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:17:40 AM EDT
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Holy shit. . It's a whole new ballgame once you actually see it.-52% savings, can't beat that! http://i34.tinypic.com/14jurgp.jpg This is the one that always got me. Jack up their price but forgot to change the "list price" so it shows negative savings.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:17:41 AM EDT
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If CTD was $5 less than Brownells on an item I would still buy it from Brownells. Oh, did I mention......... FUCK CTD! Me too. 
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:17:52 AM EDT
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Your anger is misdirected, it should lie with your lawmakers. CTD just said fuck it we aren't chancing shipping a banned item to California. It very much does lie with them, trust me. Regardless, Californians still desire and are able to acquire things from virtually every other company. It just mystifies me why a company would shut out millions of potential customers plaintiffs. I forgot about the litany of lawsuits that are being brought against all the other companies that ship to California. My apologies. Thank you for correct my glaring error, kind sir. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:18:40 AM EDT
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It very much does lie with them, trust me. Regardless, Californians still desire and are able to acquire things from virtually every other company. It just mystifies me why a company would shut out millions of potential customers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your anger is misdirected, it should lie with your lawmakers. CTD just said fuck it we aren't chancing shipping a banned item to California. It very much does lie with them, trust me. Regardless, Californians still desire and are able to acquire things from virtually every other company. It just mystifies me why a company would shut out millions of potential customers. It is not mystical. The potential for legal proceedings and the cost of doing business outweighs the upside of sales for CTD. It is a choice that CTD and other companies has made. You are looking at this from your world. CTD's world is a little different. California and excuses made by gun owners is the thing that mystifies me. Two minor things so that I can own an AR. I can put anything on my AR except suppressor, SBR, etc. It is not really that bad. Moving is not really an option. Other states are worse than California. There are Cali gun owners fighting the gun laws in California. But there are just as many that list the excuses and appear perfectly happy to be allowed to won what they own by the state of California. I don't get it. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:19:14 AM EDT
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How far are you from Las Vegas, OP? They usually have good gun shows that have just about anything you could want for your EBR. If you need a few days off, coordinate a trip to LV to coincide with a gun show. Check in with the NV hometown forum and someone there should be able to give you dates, plus info on where to stay and what to do in LV... But a hop, skip and a short drive. Thanks for the tip! |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:19:41 AM EDT
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Maybe they don't need the potentially serious legal headaches. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the liability rested upon the recipient. I'm pretty sure there isn't much liability to the sender for shipping something to a ban state. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:21:22 AM EDT
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It is not mystical. The potential for legal proceedings and the cost of doing business outweighs the upside of sales for CTD. It is a choice that CTD and other companies has made. You are looking at this from your world. CTD's world is a little different. California and excuses made by gun owners is the thing that mystifies me. Two minor things so that I can own an AR. I can put anything on my AR except suppressor, SBR, etc. It is not really that bad. Moving is not really an option. Other states are worse than California. There are Cali gun owners fighting the gun laws in California. But there are just as many that list the excuses and appear perfectly happy to be allowed to won what they own by the state of California. I don't get it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your anger is misdirected, it should lie with your lawmakers. CTD just said fuck it we aren't chancing shipping a banned item to California. It very much does lie with them, trust me. Regardless, Californians still desire and are able to acquire things from virtually every other company. It just mystifies me why a company would shut out millions of potential customers. It is not mystical. The potential for legal proceedings and the cost of doing business outweighs the upside of sales for CTD. It is a choice that CTD and other companies has made. You are looking at this from your world. CTD's world is a little different. California and excuses made by gun owners is the thing that mystifies me. Two minor things so that I can own an AR. I can put anything on my AR except suppressor, SBR, etc. It is not really that bad. Moving is not really an option. Other states are worse than California. There are Cali gun owners fighting the gun laws in California. But there are just as many that list the excuses and appear perfectly happy to be allowed to won what they own by the state of California. I don't get it. Making the best of a bad situation. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:22:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck California |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:23:22 AM EDT
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Have said it before. Will say it again. If every ammo retailer jacked prices on .22 like CTD did, we'd be awash in it at reasonable prices today.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:23:51 AM EDT
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Your anger is misdirected, it should lie with your lawmakers. CTD just said fuck it we aren't chancing shipping a banned item to California. It very much does lie with them, trust me. Regardless, Californians still desire and are able to acquire things from virtually every other company. It just mystifies me why a company would shut out millions of potential customers. Sometimes making a statement is worth more than dollars. Also, how much are they really losing out from ditching CA? Sales vs. keeping a bunch of lawyers busy trying to keep the wolves at bay? If a state will allow somebody whose second cousin was shot in a drive-by to sue the company who sold the shooter the ammo he used, why even take a chance? |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:26:23 AM EDT
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Why would I want to deal with the ins and outs of random fucked up laws, when I can just avoid it by not shipping there?
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:27:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:30:53 AM EDT
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Fuck California Very constructive input... thanks. Facts are facts, dude... Fuck California is a fact? Dammit. This whole time, I've been thinking that it was just people's opinion. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I hate to be a bother, but would you be a dear and cite me the reputable source where that establishes the fact "fuck California"?. I can't seem to find it. Thanks in advance! |
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