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It would be tragic if politicians who voted for RFL and their donors were erroneously the subject of said petitions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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The district attorney has been paying that fee I think View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Good friggin luck with this part:
Return guns to respondent. When a final ERPO expires and it is not renewed, the respondent can apply to have any guns that were surrendered to or removed by the police returned. To make an application to have your guns returned, complete and print the fillable online application form and file it with the court. You must attach proof of ownership and show that you can legally possess the guns. The court will send a copy of the application to the petitioner and any licensing officers who have issued a gun permit to you. If the petitioner or a licensing officer objects to you getting the guns back, the court must schedule and hold a hearing. The court notifies you, the petitioner and the licensing officers of the hearing date. At the hearing, the parties can testify, call witnesses and give evidence to support their side of the story. Then, the court will decide if the guns should be returned to you. |
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"The reckless use, display or brandishing of a firearm, rifle or shotgun; "
It will not take long for some malicious DA to parse the word 'display' out of that sentence. post a trophy pic on the 'net with your cottontail kill and a Beretta Silver Snipe and off to red flag land you go. |
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Good Lord Almighty.
If they enforce this stuff, my tear reservoir for New York LEOs killed in the line of duty goes to zero. |
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It would be tragic if politicians who voted for RFL and their donors were erroneously the subject of said petitions. View Quote It would be more effective if you did something like finding anti gun zealots and flaming Liberals on Facebook that reside in the target area, and filing on them. |
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Bro...it's New York. They'd just raise taxes or find something new to tax. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Aimless would be red flagged if he posted this on Facebook or Twitter.
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Lol someone can file a petition to take your guns without revealing their name or address. View Quote You can be than in 99% of the cases, that last little box will get checked ... Just so people can F' with someone they don't like and not have it come back to their doorstep... I'll be a lot of folks get "SWATTED" with Bogus "anonymous" Red Flag Charges... |
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"The reckless use, display or brandishing of a firearm, rifle or shotgun; " It will not take long for some malicious DA to parse the word 'display' out of that sentence. post a trophy pic on the 'net with your cottontail kill and a Beretta Silver Snipe and off to red flag land you go. View Quote Just like what is the definition of "readily convertible", or "recent"? Was buying a single box of 20rd .30-06 Noslers 3 months ago considered recent? When they want to use/abuse this law against their political enemies, which is their sole intent. |
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Good Lord Almighty. If they enforce this stuff, my tear reservoir for New York LEOs killed in the line of duty goes to zero. View Quote |
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One day they'll kick in the right guys door and it'll make international news.
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Every one fill one out for every one, overwhelm the system.
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I would say FUAC is a threat to society. RFL that scumbag !
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https://i.imgur.com/FHxzl0K.jpg View Quote |
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Think the boogi bois will start filing RFL forms on the soup squad?
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That's some Nazi/Stalinistic type bullshit right there.
Buy some ammo and get sent to the camp/gulag. This isn't going to end well. |
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After it is filed the cops and DA go to the judge and explain uwhat a menace you are before, surprise Buttsex, heading to your house with a court order View Quote Still hard to grasp how someone can not be sued for filling a false RFL report. |
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the Last reason is mind boggling
Anyone who submits or approves that as a reasoning should be thrown in isolation for 20 years |
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Quoted: Didn't Fredo aka Chris should have been a cum stain like his older brother Cuomo violate # 1 a few months back when he threatened a guy who confronted him and called him Fredo. I wonder if Chris owns a gun. View Quote |
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Now this is a problem.
Evidence of recent acquisition of a firearm, rifle, shotgun or other deadly weapon or dangerous instrument, or any ammunition therefor;
Other (specify): _______________________ View Quote |
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Not surprisingly, GD is missing a deeper understanding of some of this.
1). Merely showing that someone bought ammo or a gun recently is not enough to get an ERPO. If a petitioner checks that box and leaves everything else blank, the judge is going to laugh and dismiss the case in about 20 seconds. The petitioner checks any applicable boxes and then must explain in detail what specific circumstances justify the issuance of the ERPO. Now, that doesn’t mean that they couldn’t say “the respondent said he’d shoot me last night and then went to the store and bought ammo.” That might get it done initially, but assuming the respondent comes to the hearing, says they didn’t do that, and doesn’t act like a lunatic in court, there’s no evidence justifying the extended issuance of the ERPO beyond the hearing. Buying a gun or ammo is merely a supporting fact to a larger narrative. You’re never going to get an order issued for checking that box, saying they went to the local LGS to buy ammo, and adding nothing more. The petitioner must demonstrate a narrative that the respondent is truly dangerous to themselves or others. That checkbox is merely a supporting fact. 2). The petitioner DOES have to disclose their name and address to the court. That person can request that the judge redact that petitioner’s name and address from the ERPO notice sent to the respondent. Basically, the judge/court knows who that person is but the respondent doesn’t until they come to the hearing. At the hearing, the petitioner has to testify. That’s part of due process, so the respondent is going to know at that point who accused them. The petitioner doesn’t get to just file papers anonymously, walk away, and never have to reveal themselves again. That’s not how this works. One thing troubling about this is that if it’s redacted and the respondent doesn’t know who has petitioned against them, it’s a bit more difficult to properly prepare a defense. 3). One of the biggest worries of the whole process to me, aside from the actual hearing and how you’re not entitled to counsel, is petitioning to get your guns back. The idea that you have to prove ownership of them is laughable. |
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https://i.imgur.com/FHxzl0K.jpg View Quote I am 100% serious about this: the best course of action is to elect the farthest left liberals who will defund law enforcement. You are not going to stop these laws from being enacted so the best thing to do is minimize the number of those who could enforce them. |
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In the gulag star chamber..lights only illuminate the accused.. but then again the accusation becomes the evidence... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: That's nice what happened to a citizen's right to confront their accusers? Attached File |
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Not surprisingly, GD is missing a deeper understanding of some of this. 1). Merely showing that someone bought ammo or a gun recently is not enough to get an ERPO. If a petitioner checks that box and leaves everything else blank, the judge is going to laugh and dismiss the case in about 20 seconds. The petitioner checks any applicable boxes and then must explain in detail what specific circumstances justify the issuance of the ERPO. Now, that doesn't mean that they couldn't say "the respondent said he'd shoot me last night and then went to the store and bought ammo." That might get it done initially, but assuming the respondent comes to the hearing, says they didn't do that, and doesn't act like a lunatic in court, there's no evidence justifying the extended issuance of the ERPO beyond the hearing. Buying a gun or ammo is merely a supporting fact to a larger narrative. You're never going to get an order issued for checking that box, saying they went to the local LGS to buy ammo, and adding nothing more. The petitioner must demonstrate a narrative that the respondent is truly dangerous to themselves or others. That checkbox is merely a supporting fact. 2). The petitioner DOES have to disclose their name and address to the court. That person can request that the judge redact that petitioner's name and address from the ERPO notice sent to the respondent. Basically, the judge/court knows who that person is but the respondent doesn't until they come to the hearing. At the hearing, the petitioner has to testify. That's part of due process, so the respondent is going to know at that point who accused them. The petitioner doesn't get to just file papers anonymously, walk away, and never have to reveal themselves again. That's not how this works. One thing troubling about this is that if it's redacted and the respondent doesn't know who has petitioned against them, it's a bit more difficult to properly prepare a defense. 3). One of the biggest worries of the whole process to me, aside from the actual hearing and how you're not entitled to counsel, is petitioning to get your guns back. The idea that you have to prove ownership of them is laughable. View Quote |
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