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Link Posted: 12/5/2023 12:32:23 PM EDT
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Opinion
The Trump dictatorship
By Robert Kagan
Editor at large
November 30, 2023 at 8:00 a.m. EST



Indicting Trump for trying to overthrow the government will prove akin to indicting Caesar for crossing the Rubicon, and just as effective. Like Caesar, Trump wields a clout that transcends the laws and institutions of government, based on the unswerving personal loyalty of his army of followers.


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What is certain, however, is that the odds of the United States falling into dictatorship have grown considerably because so many of the obstacles to it have been cleared and only a few are left. If eight years ago it seemed literally inconceivable that a man like Trump could be elected, that obstacle was cleared in 2016. If it then seemed unimaginable that an American president would try to remain in office after losing an election, that obstacle was cleared in 2020. And if no one could believe that Trump, having tried and failed to invalidate the election and stop the counting of electoral college votes, would nevertheless reemerge as the unchallenged leader of the Republican Party and its nominee again in 2024, well, we are about to see that obstacle cleared as well. In just a few years, we have gone from being relatively secure in our democracy to being a few short steps, and a matter of months, away from the possibility of dictatorship.


Are we going to do anything about it? To shift metaphors, if we thought there was a 50 percent chance of an asteroid crashing into North America a year from now, would we be content to hope that it wouldn’t? Or would we be taking every conceivable measure to try to stop it, including many things that might not work but that, given the magnitude of the crisis, must be tried anyway?

Will those who balked at resisting Trump when the risk was merely political oblivion suddenly discover their courage when the cost might be the ruin of oneself and one’s family?




Should Trump be successful in launching a campaign of persecution and the opposition prove powerless to stop it, then the nation will have begun an irreversible descent into dictatorship. With each passing day, it will become harder and more dangerous to stop it by any means, legal or illegal.

They are, yet again, telling us the categories they think in, and frankly projecting.

Who the heck is kagan anyways?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan
Kagan is married to American diplomat Victoria Nuland,[11]


Yep, the victoria nuland who was heavily involved in the 2014 coup in ukraine: https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/21750


Victoria Jane Nuland (born July 1, 1961) also known as Toria Nuland[2] is an American diplomat currently serving as Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs since 2021. A former member of the US Foreign Service, she served as Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs from 2013 to 2017 and the 18th U.S. Ambassador to NATO from 2005 to 2008.[3][4] Since July 2023, Nuland has served as acting Deputy Secretary of State following the retirement of Wendy Sherman.[5]


This is the establishment saying: We'll kill him if we have to.

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But that’s just the start. After all, Trump will not be the only person seeking revenge. His administration will be filled with people with enemies’ lists of their own, a determined cadre of “vetted” officials who will see it as their sole, presidentially authorized mission to “root out” those in the government who cannot be trusted. Many will simply be fired, but others will be subject to career-destroying investigations. The Trump administration will be filled with people who will not need explicit instruction from Trump, any more than Hitler’s local gauleiters needed instruction. In such circumstances, people “work toward the Führer,” which is to say, they anticipate his desires and seek favor through acts they think will make him happy, thereby enhancing their own influence and power in the process.

They've gone up to the delusion of "literally hitler."



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It is the only move they have left to stop him. This is not surprising. Scary as hell, but not surprising.
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 12:35:08 PM EDT
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We had the tea party before Trump, it was pretty fractious. Not nearly as bad as all the various * Trump * divisions we have now though.
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I will not vote for Trump, even if he is the nominee.

Countless Trumpers have said they will write in Trump, if DeSantis is the nominee.

The party is deeply fractured, and that is 100% on Trump.
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 12:39:26 PM EDT
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I will not vote for Trump, even if he is the nominee.

Countless Trumpers have said they will write in Trump, if DeSantis is the nominee.

The party is deeply fractured, and that is 100% on Trump.
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Meh. The Never Trumpers say its 100% Trumps fault, Trumpers say its 100% the GOP establishments fault. Both have valid arguments.
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 12:40:54 PM EDT
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Im terrified this reality tv liberal clown is gonna ruin the republican party for 20 something years
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Curious, did we get 34 trillion in debt with 150-160+ trillion in unfunded mandates because of one party?
Did the DC swamp grow to what it is today because of only one party?
As I recall it was the so called Great Conservative President Reagan who started us down the path of never ending debt, he gave amnesty to millions, and is the only president to ever ban the action of a firearm.  

Yeah, the republican party will be ruined because of Trump.
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 12:42:51 PM EDT
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Well he banned guns by executive fiat and outspent Obama in half the time. Sorry for having standards.
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Exactly what guns did President Trump ban?
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 12:43:14 PM EDT
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Ragebait is definitely a viable business model, and if it were Breitbart or Deadspin I would agree with your assessment. However vanity project outlets like WaPo and The Atlantic (which recently dropped an entire issue on a similar theme) don't fulfill that function (especially given they pretty much run at a loss already).

Rather, their raison d'etre is presuasion and solving the coordination problem for a given cohort, which in this case are the sub-SES oversocialized PMC strivers. An FSO at State or a Project Manager at Meta needs to be told the objective and primed to take the proper action if given the chance, which happens when a variety of opeds and articles like this get dropped into their slack chats or wind up in their inboxes. Most of them will never be in a position to do anything of course, but a broadly distributed network of anonymous coconspirators increases the chances that one or more will be.

To the extent that this riles the right it's purely a lagniappe, and largely depends on the degree of traction it gets with outlets like Gateway Pundit given that the people prone to impulsive acts mostly don't read these outlets.

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Fair enough, but why are they simultaneously doing everything they can to make sure Trump wins the nomination?

A huge number of people who supported him in his first term became very tepid after watching him flail at the end.  The thing that really revitalized his support was when they started going after him with criminal indictments.  There was palpable, justifiable outrage when they raided Mara Lago.  Every new, preposterous charge and unfair treatment in trials galvanizes the right to support him.
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 12:48:12 PM EDT
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A good example of the N_T'rs infantile thinking is their position that the left would never go after RDS like this, because he's a good guy. Infact, they don't have any thoughts about how the relatively penniless RDS would push back against multiple multiple-million dollar lawfare efforts (currently Trump's running at >$120M spent) because, well he's a good guy, so it's all gonna be just fine.

Once you realize that is their baseline for understanding and explaining away the left's tactics, it puts a different light on their comments in these threads.
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You keep posting this.  It was BS then and it’s BS now.
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Fair enough, but why are they simultaneously doing everything they can to make sure Trump wins the nomination?

A huge number of people who supported him in his first term became very tepid after watching him flail at the end.  The thing that really revitalized his support was when they started going after him with criminal indictments.  There was palpable, justifiable outrage when they raided Mara Lago.  Every new, preposterous charge and unfair treatment in trials galvanizes the right to support him.
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Mar-a-Lago was raided because Trump refused to comply with a federal subpoena, and then actively conspired to block the investigation into what documents he held.

There sure was outrage. But it was his own damn fault.
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 12:49:14 PM EDT
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Pretty sure he doesn't have the ability to decide who can and cannot block him.....that would be how staff programmed the ignore feature.  It was likely easier to just program "mod / staff" can't be put on ignore vs they can't be ignored in the forums they mod.  I have no actual knowledge of it....just assuming based on comments I've seen from staff in other threads.
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This is correct.

The board I mod simply has a site wide setting.  It’s not a “pick and choose” thing.
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 1:25:28 PM EDT
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Mar-a-Lago was raided because Trump refused to comply with a federal subpoena, and then actively conspired to block the investigation into what documents he held.

There sure was outrage. But it was his own damn fault.
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Fair enough, but why are they simultaneously doing everything they can to make sure Trump wins the nomination?

A huge number of people who supported him in his first term became very tepid after watching him flail at the end.  The thing that really revitalized his support was when they started going after him with criminal indictments.  There was palpable, justifiable outrage when they raided Mara Lago.  Every new, preposterous charge and unfair treatment in trials galvanizes the right to support him.


Mar-a-Lago was raided because Trump refused to comply with a federal subpoena, and then actively conspired to block the investigation into what documents he held.

There sure was outrage. But it was his own damn fault.


Trump had the constitution squarely on his side.
He didn't do anything that had not already been done by every previous president.

This was law-fare, pure and simple.  And it was intentionally transparent.
The whole point was re-galvanize his support.  It worked like a charm.  Now half the Republican party willingly overlooks his faults.

A few others (like yourself, apparently), believed the BS.
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 1:30:49 PM EDT
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Trump had the constitution squarely on his side.
He didn't do anything that had not already been done by every previous president.

This was law-fare, pure and simple.  And it was intentionally transparent.
The whole point was re-galvanize his support.  It worked like a charm.  Now half the Republican party willingly overlooks his faults.

A few others (like yourself, apparently), believed the BS.
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Is that the same constitution that Trump is arguing his presidential oath didn’t actually require him to support and defend?
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 1:32:04 PM EDT
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Is that the same constitution that Trump is arguing his presidential oath didn’t actually require him to support and defend?
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What's your point? Just trolling?
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 1:32:04 PM EDT
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Fair enough, but why are they simultaneously doing everything they can to make sure Trump wins the nomination?

A huge number of people who supported him in his first term became very tepid after watching him flail at the end.  The thing that really revitalized his support was when they started going after him with criminal indictments.  There was palpable, justifiable outrage when they raided Mara Lago.  Every new, preposterous charge and unfair treatment in trials galvanizes the right to support him.
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Ragebait is definitely a viable business model, and if it were Breitbart or Deadspin I would agree with your assessment. However vanity project outlets like WaPo and The Atlantic (which recently dropped an entire issue on a similar theme) don't fulfill that function (especially given they pretty much run at a loss already).

Rather, their raison d'etre is presuasion and solving the coordination problem for a given cohort, which in this case are the sub-SES oversocialized PMC strivers. An FSO at State or a Project Manager at Meta needs to be told the objective and primed to take the proper action if given the chance, which happens when a variety of opeds and articles like this get dropped into their slack chats or wind up in their inboxes. Most of them will never be in a position to do anything of course, but a broadly distributed network of anonymous coconspirators increases the chances that one or more will be.

To the extent that this riles the right it's purely a lagniappe, and largely depends on the degree of traction it gets with outlets like Gateway Pundit given that the people prone to impulsive acts mostly don't read these outlets.



Fair enough, but why are they simultaneously doing everything they can to make sure Trump wins the nomination?

A huge number of people who supported him in his first term became very tepid after watching him flail at the end.  The thing that really revitalized his support was when they started going after him with criminal indictments.  There was palpable, justifiable outrage when they raided Mara Lago.  Every new, preposterous charge and unfair treatment in trials galvanizes the right to support him.
There's an argument that he's also the easiest to beat, which is something we also saw in the midterms with Dems boosting
Trumpy candidates that often went down to defeat. So this sort of talk not only primes their coalition to do whatever is needed, it encourages wobbly Trump supporters to get behind him again.

The Dem coalition is also quite fractured in case you haven't noticed with the anti-Jewish pogroms in Northern cities, a common enemy is useful for uniting them.
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Well he banned guns by executive fiat and outspent Obama in half the time. Sorry for having standards.
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Holy Hell, give it a rest.

I'm not a Trump nut swinger, but he was a good president and has my vote next election.

You go ahead and vote for Biden if it makes you feel better, it's your vote, but I love my country more than I dislike some things Trump has done.
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 1:36:50 PM EDT
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Trump had the constitution squarely on his side.
He didn't do anything that had not already been done by every previous president.

This was law-fare, pure and simple.  And it was intentionally transparent.
The whole point was re-galvanize his support.  It worked like a charm.  Now half the Republican party willingly overlooks his faults.

A few others (like yourself, apparently), believed the BS.
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Fair enough, but why are they simultaneously doing everything they can to make sure Trump wins the nomination?

A huge number of people who supported him in his first term became very tepid after watching him flail at the end.  The thing that really revitalized his support was when they started going after him with criminal indictments.  There was palpable, justifiable outrage when they raided Mara Lago.  Every new, preposterous charge and unfair treatment in trials galvanizes the right to support him.


Mar-a-Lago was raided because Trump refused to comply with a federal subpoena, and then actively conspired to block the investigation into what documents he held.

There sure was outrage. But it was his own damn fault.


Trump had the constitution squarely on his side.
He didn't do anything that had not already been done by every previous president.

This was law-fare, pure and simple.  And it was intentionally transparent.
The whole point was re-galvanize his support.  It worked like a charm.  Now half the Republican party willingly overlooks his faults.

A few others (like yourself, apparently), believed the BS.


4D chess, in other words?  

Link Posted: 12/5/2023 1:39:33 PM EDT
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It seems like kagan is not alone.

This stuff is slipping out from others too.

Video @ link.

Repreentative dan goldman: "he (trump) has to be eliminated."

If this stuff is supposedly only ragebait and targeted at conservatives, they're doing a miserable job at it, picking MSM outlets that conservatives avoid like the plague.

I had no idea psaki had a show.
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No way some mentally unstable liberal won't rise to the rage bait...

Looks like a two edged sword of ragebait...imo
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 1:40:23 PM EDT
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Is that the same constitution that Trump is arguing his presidential oath didn’t actually require him to support and defend?
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Trump had the constitution squarely on his side.
He didn't do anything that had not already been done by every previous president.

This was law-fare, pure and simple.  And it was intentionally transparent.
The whole point was re-galvanize his support.  It worked like a charm.  Now half the Republican party willingly overlooks his faults.

A few others (like yourself, apparently), believed the BS.

Is that the same constitution that Trump is arguing his presidential oath didn’t actually require him to support and defend?


Is there any other?
His fealty to the constitution (or lack thereof), doesn't change the facts at all.
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 1:41:46 PM EDT
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What's your point? Just trolling?
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The point is that post is full of bullshit and wrapping it in an argument of “muh constitution” is hilariously ironic.
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 1:44:17 PM EDT
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No matter what you might think of Trump, it is clear that he has been subject to many false allegations and witch hunts.
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The point is that post is full of bullshit and wrapping it in an argument of “muh constitution” is hilariously ironic.
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What's your point? Just trolling?

The point is that post is full of bullshit and wrapping it in an argument of “muh constitution” is hilariously ironic.

How so?
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How so?
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The first two sentences are demonstrably false.
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Trump had the constitution squarely on his side.
He didn't do anything that had not already been done by every previous president.

This was law-fare, pure and simple.  And it was intentionally transparent.
The whole point was re-galvanize his support.  It worked like a charm.  Now half the Republican party willingly overlooks his faults.

A few others (like yourself, apparently), believed the BS.
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Another one who hasn’t read the indictment.
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What's your point? Just trolling?
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I assume it’s that Trump and his followers invoke the constitution when it suits their interest, but ignores it (or suggests to suspend it), when it doesn’t.
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 2:18:21 PM EDT
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All these so-called conservatives on here constantly bashing Trump have to leftist plants, or idiots. Was Trump perfect? Fuck no, but who the hell is? Name another Republican president who tried to get a handle on immigration in a meaningful way? I also honestly believe the man cares about our country and the people within it. Again, give me a recent example of a president who cared for the people and wasn’t beholden to the globalists? Don’t worry, I’ll wait….
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All these so-called conservatives on here constantly bashing Trump have to leftist plants, or idiots. Was Trump perfect? Fuck no, but who the hell is? Name another Republican president who tried to get a handle on immigration in a meaningful way? I also honestly believe the man cares about our country and the people within it. Again, give me a recent example of a president who cared for the people and wasn’t beholden to the globalists? Don’t worry, I’ll wait….
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Trump isn’t a conservative and never has been.  Have you considered that true conservatives might dislike him because he’s the poster child of a rino?
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I assume it’s that Trump and his followers invoke the constitution when it suits their interest, but ignores it (or suggests to suspend it), when it doesn’t.
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What's your point? Just trolling?


I assume it’s that Trump and his followers invoke the constitution when it suits their interest, but ignores it (or suggests to suspend it), when it doesn’t.


I'm not a Trump follower by any stretch.  He's not very high on my list of people I want to see in the White House.  But facts are facts.
The legal cases against him are bullshit.  All of them.
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4D chess, in other words?  

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I suspect you misunderstand my point.
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Trump isn’t a conservative and never has been.  Have you considered that true conservatives might dislike him because he’s the poster child of a rino?
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Never said he was — I said Republican. How many of those Republicans in congress would you consider actually conservative? Handful at best? The main reason I support Trump is the fact that the establishment on both sides loathe him, which is a good indicator that he has the country in mind. The only other person in government that took similar fire from both sides is Ron Paul, and overall, he was pretty on point.
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Actual studies and data would disagree with your uninformed opinion. The vast majority of the leftist followers have lower IQs and are vastly more mentally unstable than conservatives. The only ones who take the bait are leftists lunatics and those so terrified of Trump, they love to point out how he's a bigger threat than all the American-hating Marxists in America combined.  

You can have your opinion; you are also free to be an idiot and mouthpiece of the Never-Trumpers who somehow can only fixate on the elimination of Trump in any way possible.

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This news article is the perfect example of confirmation bias and was targeted at getting the right riled up not the left.

Actual studies and data would disagree with your uninformed opinion. The vast majority of the leftist followers have lower IQs and are vastly more mentally unstable than conservatives. The only ones who take the bait are leftists lunatics and those so terrified of Trump, they love to point out how he's a bigger threat than all the American-hating Marxists in America combined.  

You can have your opinion; you are also free to be an idiot and mouthpiece of the Never-Trumpers who somehow can only fixate on the elimination of Trump in any way possible.

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Never said he was — I said Republican. How many of those Republicans in congress would you consider actually conservative? Handful at best? The main reason I support Trump is the fact that the establishment on both sides loathe him, which is a good indicator that he has the country in mind. The only other person in government that took similar fire from both sides is Ron Paul, and overall, he was pretty on point.
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Trump takes fire from all sides because he goes out of his way to make enemies of everybody.

He had plenty of allies at one point, but he turned on all of them.  He is hated by everybody because he is an ass. nobody likes him, wants to work with him, or for him. Not because he is some white knight riding in to drain the swamp and save America.
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Fair enough, but why are they simultaneously doing everything they can to make sure Trump wins the nomination?

A huge number of people who supported him in his first term became very tepid after watching him flail at the end.  The thing that really revitalized his support was when they started going after him with criminal indictments.  There was palpable, justifiable outrage when they raided Mara Lago.  Every new, preposterous charge and unfair treatment in trials galvanizes the right to support him.
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Simple, they (the Dems) feel as if he will be the easier to beat in the general. Again for the left it’s ALL about acquiring and wielding power. All these legal actions against Trump is intended to ensure he wins the Republican nomination as they know the party is deeply divided and he’s the single biggest GoTV for Dem voters.

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Simple, they (the Dems) feel as if he will be the easier to beat in the general. Again for the left it’s ALL about acquiring and wielding power. All these legal actions against Trump is intended to ensure he wins the Republican nomination as they know the party is deeply divided and he’s the single biggest GoTV for Dem voters.

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Typical nevertrump fallacy. They are hammering Trump's dick in the dirt with bullshit lawfare to get him removed from the ballot... the idea being if they throw enough shit at the wall eventually something will stick.
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Typical nevertrump falacy. They are hammering Trump's dick in the dirt with bullshit lawfare to get him removed from the ballot... the idea being if they throw enough shit at the wall eventually something will stick.
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Joe Biden is on the record several times saying he hopes to be lucky enough to run against Trump again.
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Trump takes fire from all sides because he goes out of his way to make enemies of everybody.

He had plenty of allies at one point, but he turned on all of them.  He is hated by everybody because he is an ass. nobody likes him, wants to work with him, or for him. Not because he is some white knight riding in to drain the swamp and save America.
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Never said he was — I said Republican. How many of those Republicans in congress would you consider actually conservative? Handful at best? The main reason I support Trump is the fact that the establishment on both sides loathe him, which is a good indicator that he has the country in mind. The only other person in government that took similar fire from both sides is Ron Paul, and overall, he was pretty on point.


Trump takes fire from all sides because he goes out of his way to make enemies of everybody.

He had plenty of allies at one point, but he turned on all of them.  He is hated by everybody because he is an ass. nobody likes him, wants to work with him, or for him. Not because he is some white knight riding in to drain the swamp and save America.


Who from his administration has not turned against him?  Giuliani?  People he hand picked are like “this guy is a complete moron”.
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Trump is the only Republican who could lose to Biden.
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Trump is the only Republican who could lose to Biden.
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You mean the only repub the state won't allow to win?
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Trump isn’t a conservative and never has been.  Have you considered that true conservatives might dislike him because he’s the poster child of a rino?
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All these so-called conservatives on here constantly bashing Trump have to leftist plants, or idiots. Was Trump perfect? Fuck no, but who the hell is? Name another Republican president who tried to get a handle on immigration in a meaningful way? I also honestly believe the man cares about our country and the people within it. Again, give me a recent example of a president who cared for the people and wasn’t beholden to the globalists? Don’t worry, I’ll wait….

Trump isn’t a conservative and never has been.  Have you considered that true conservatives might dislike him because he’s the poster child of a rino?

If this was true, then the Rino's would have been working with Trump instead of hamstringing him in coordination with the rest of The Ruling Class.

The Ruling Class does NOT equal being a Conservative.

Yeah, I know Trump is an idiot about a good many things 'conservative'.  No need to go through that shit again, but he's NOT a member of The Ruling Class.  That can't realistically be disputed.
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You make a bunch of valid points, but then your concluding comment was WAAAAAAYYY off in the next county. Kagan doesn't write for getting the right riled up. WaPo readers are left wing, and a few people who like to keep tabs on the left wing. Kagan writes for his audience, the people who agree with him. If you think that opinion column (not "news article") was aimed at people on the right, you really don't know anything about Kagan or the Post.

@eesmith - can you share with the audience what the Democrat activists were planning in the event of a Trump victory in 2020? I recall you read (and wrote) about it. Keekleberrys, they were planning a literal insurrection. Not a fake insurrection in the form of a particularly rowdy public protest march, a real, genuine insurrection derailing government at multiple levels. That's the kind of thing Kagan is about. So when he calls for "someone" to contemplate Trump as literally Caesar, it's more than rage bait. Think about it: they've tried every conceivable means to get Trump out of the public square. Impeachments, subpoenas, arrests, criminal charges: nothing works. What are they left with, if getting him out of the public square is the only acceptable outcome? Some Trump supporters were literally murdered in the street in 2020. Did that generate any tangible consequences? Lee Keltner's family never got any justice, and nothing came of it. Dismissing Kagan as ragebait is grossly incorrect. He's literally a public voice of the DC Establishment.

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What came after the assassination of Caesar was abject tyranny and destruction. Which is kinda what the Left is going for anyway. But unintended consequences have a way of disrupting visionary ideas.
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This is just my personal opinion but I feel extremely strongly about it. Last I checked I was allowed to have one.

Social media/reality tv society is the worst thing that has happened to our country.

Through Facebook, youtube,twitter, domestic news sources, etc. moonbat shit has become financially incentivized.

Ragebait. You see it even here where it's an unmanipulated chronologically ranked forum. The controversy always seems to float to the top eventually.

With most social media there are algorithms that target you based specifically on your political positions. It will only send you stuff it knows you will engage with. Usually negative stories, it’s designed to manipulate you. It is nefarious and they don’t only do it to the right.

It knows what you are going to click on and then only sends you that kind of stuff. It usually is negative.

This news article is the perfect example of confirmation bias and was targeted at getting the right riled up not the left.

You make a bunch of valid points, but then your concluding comment was WAAAAAAYYY off in the next county. Kagan doesn't write for getting the right riled up. WaPo readers are left wing, and a few people who like to keep tabs on the left wing. Kagan writes for his audience, the people who agree with him. If you think that opinion column (not "news article") was aimed at people on the right, you really don't know anything about Kagan or the Post.

@eesmith - can you share with the audience what the Democrat activists were planning in the event of a Trump victory in 2020? I recall you read (and wrote) about it. Keekleberrys, they were planning a literal insurrection. Not a fake insurrection in the form of a particularly rowdy public protest march, a real, genuine insurrection derailing government at multiple levels. That's the kind of thing Kagan is about. So when he calls for "someone" to contemplate Trump as literally Caesar, it's more than rage bait. Think about it: they've tried every conceivable means to get Trump out of the public square. Impeachments, subpoenas, arrests, criminal charges: nothing works. What are they left with, if getting him out of the public square is the only acceptable outcome? Some Trump supporters were literally murdered in the street in 2020. Did that generate any tangible consequences? Lee Keltner's family never got any justice, and nothing came of it. Dismissing Kagan as ragebait is grossly incorrect. He's literally a public voice of the DC Establishment.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71wHxz+RO+L._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg

What came after the assassination of Caesar was abject tyranny and destruction. Which is kinda what the Left is going for anyway. But unintended consequences have a way of disrupting visionary ideas.

@Lieh-tzu

In the same vein and very close alongside, do you recall when the military brass were on the record saying they weren't going to follow ... or were very seriously considering not following ... any commands from trump?

IIRC we had a serious as heck thread here on the board about it and it had to get removed and etc to protect people and some real stuff rolled downhill.
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@Lieh-tzu

In the same vein and very close alongside, do you recall when the military brass were on the record saying they weren't going to follow ... or were very seriously considering not following ... any commands from trump?

IIRC we had a serious as heck thread here on the board about it and it had to get removed and etc to protect people and some real stuff rolled downhill.
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This is just my personal opinion but I feel extremely strongly about it. Last I checked I was allowed to have one.

Social media/reality tv society is the worst thing that has happened to our country.

Through Facebook, youtube,twitter, domestic news sources, etc. moonbat shit has become financially incentivized.

Ragebait. You see it even here where it's an unmanipulated chronologically ranked forum. The controversy always seems to float to the top eventually.

With most social media there are algorithms that target you based specifically on your political positions. It will only send you stuff it knows you will engage with. Usually negative stories, it’s designed to manipulate you. It is nefarious and they don’t only do it to the right.

It knows what you are going to click on and then only sends you that kind of stuff. It usually is negative.

This news article is the perfect example of confirmation bias and was targeted at getting the right riled up not the left.

You make a bunch of valid points, but then your concluding comment was WAAAAAAYYY off in the next county. Kagan doesn't write for getting the right riled up. WaPo readers are left wing, and a few people who like to keep tabs on the left wing. Kagan writes for his audience, the people who agree with him. If you think that opinion column (not "news article") was aimed at people on the right, you really don't know anything about Kagan or the Post.

@eesmith - can you share with the audience what the Democrat activists were planning in the event of a Trump victory in 2020? I recall you read (and wrote) about it. Keekleberrys, they were planning a literal insurrection. Not a fake insurrection in the form of a particularly rowdy public protest march, a real, genuine insurrection derailing government at multiple levels. That's the kind of thing Kagan is about. So when he calls for "someone" to contemplate Trump as literally Caesar, it's more than rage bait. Think about it: they've tried every conceivable means to get Trump out of the public square. Impeachments, subpoenas, arrests, criminal charges: nothing works. What are they left with, if getting him out of the public square is the only acceptable outcome? Some Trump supporters were literally murdered in the street in 2020. Did that generate any tangible consequences? Lee Keltner's family never got any justice, and nothing came of it. Dismissing Kagan as ragebait is grossly incorrect. He's literally a public voice of the DC Establishment.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71wHxz+RO+L._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg

What came after the assassination of Caesar was abject tyranny and destruction. Which is kinda what the Left is going for anyway. But unintended consequences have a way of disrupting visionary ideas.

@Lieh-tzu

In the same vein and very close alongside, do you recall when the military brass were on the record saying they weren't going to follow ... or were very seriously considering not following ... any commands from trump?

IIRC we had a serious as heck thread here on the board about it and it had to get removed and etc to protect people and some real stuff rolled downhill.

Was that before or after they got off the phone with China?
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Holy Hell, give it a rest.

I'm not a Trump nut swinger, but he was a good president and has my vote next election.

You go ahead and vote for Biden if it makes you feel better, it's your vote, but I love my country more than I dislike some things Trump has done.
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Good President? He got more gun control done then Obama and Biden combined.

He is arguing in court he has no responsibility to the Constitution of the USA.
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Your conclusion requires facts that are not in the article.  Not even a weak implication.

The High Ground is still a good place to take.  We need to be smart enough to defeat the left, and it's okay to be honest.
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The thread title is libel.

How?

The article Is making a direct comparison between trump and caesar and what happened with caesar and saying people should do whatever is necessary.

ETA: But hey, we'll all cower before the lawyers and ignore what's right in our face.

Changed it.

Happy now?

Our "betters" rub our faces in it and we worry about nonsense. What a world.
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Your conclusion requires facts that are not in the article.  Not even a weak implication.

The High Ground is still a good place to take.  We need to be smart enough to defeat the left, and it's okay to be honest.

I changed it last night because even when I was pissed off at them for posting editorials like that, AND we all know exactly what they are referring to, there's no sense in saying the truth bluntly for no tactical gain when you can make it screamingly obvious otherwise.

Leftist elites and their talking class use the relativistic word games very deftly, it's their stock and sleazy trade.
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Who from his administration has not turned against him?  Giuliani?  People he hand picked are like “this guy is a complete moron”.
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Never said he was — I said Republican. How many of those Republicans in congress would you consider actually conservative? Handful at best? The main reason I support Trump is the fact that the establishment on both sides loathe him, which is a good indicator that he has the country in mind. The only other person in government that took similar fire from both sides is Ron Paul, and overall, he was pretty on point.


Trump takes fire from all sides because he goes out of his way to make enemies of everybody.

He had plenty of allies at one point, but he turned on all of them.  He is hated by everybody because he is an ass. nobody likes him, wants to work with him, or for him. Not because he is some white knight riding in to drain the swamp and save America.


Who from his administration has not turned against him?  Giuliani?  People he hand picked are like “this guy is a complete moron”.

Are they part of The Ruling Class or not?
Yes.  Those he thought he could trust and work with who were already compromised are indeed, The Ruling Class.
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If this was true, then the Rino's would have been working with Trump instead of hamstringing him in coordination with the rest of The Ruling Class.

The Ruling Class does NOT equal being a Conservative.

Yeah, I know Trump is an idiot about a good many things 'conservative'.  No need to go through that shit again, but he's NOT a member of The Ruling Class.  That can't realistically be disputed.
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The GOP establishment didn’t like Trump either.  Trump demanded loyalty from everyone but offered nothing in return.  That’s not how politics works.
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Trump is the only Republican who could lose to Biden.
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Those pushing this narrative certainly want you to believe that.
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You mean the only repub the state won't allow to win?
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Trump is the only Republican who could lose to Biden.

You mean the only repub the state won't allow to win?

bingo
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Gentlemen, be careful what you say in here…

The apparatchiks are goading in order to elicit a response so the monitoring authorities within the board and without can take action.

Beware.  It’s only meaningless words from these agitators in here.
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Well, I'll say what I mean bluntly:

Calling for people to do "whatever it takes" before it's "too late" and "your family is at risk" when your morals are "If we don't like someone, like, say, the unborn, we dehumanize them" ... is wrong.

Even more wrong to apply that to someone who does not deserve that..

Everyone and their brothers cousins uncle's 2nd removed niece know what the heck that wapo article is saying should be done.
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I no longer care about the constitutional human rights of those who wish to destroy me and my people.

I hope Trump is HALF the dictator they fear him to be. I want him to declare war on the left.
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I wish Trump was 10% as evil as they think he is. He'd have a chance then. But no he's a business man at heart and thinks he can make a deal.  Perhaps his first term was a learning experience.
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If this was true, then the Rino's would have been working with Trump instead of hamstringing him in coordination with the rest of The Ruling Class.

The Ruling Class does NOT equal being a Conservative.

Yeah, I know Trump is an idiot about a good many things 'conservative'.  No need to go through that shit again, but he's NOT a member of The Ruling Class.  That can't realistically be disputed.
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All these so-called conservatives on here constantly bashing Trump have to leftist plants, or idiots. Was Trump perfect? Fuck no, but who the hell is? Name another Republican president who tried to get a handle on immigration in a meaningful way? I also honestly believe the man cares about our country and the people within it. Again, give me a recent example of a president who cared for the people and wasn’t beholden to the globalists? Don’t worry, I’ll wait….

Trump isn’t a conservative and never has been.  Have you considered that true conservatives might dislike him because he’s the poster child of a rino?

If this was true, then the Rino's would have been working with Trump instead of hamstringing him in coordination with the rest of The Ruling Class.

The Ruling Class does NOT equal being a Conservative.

Yeah, I know Trump is an idiot about a good many things 'conservative'.  No need to go through that shit again, but he's NOT a member of The Ruling Class.  That can't realistically be disputed.


Supposed billionaire, famous NY liberal, real estate magnate dynasty boy and TV show host is not part of the ruling class.



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I no longer care about the constitutional human rights of those who wish to destroy me and my people.

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Fascism is wonderful.
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