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Posted: 12/5/2023 2:51:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TDS bed wetters crack me up. This. It's always projection from those turds... |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 2:53:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Flipping article uses "dictator" 20 something times. They're terrified that he will do to them what they would do to us. That’s hilarious. The DOJ won’t do shit, no matter what. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 2:53:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im terrified this reality tv liberal clown is gonna ruin the republican party for 20 something years Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Filthy franks trump song is very accurate Flipping article uses "dictator" 20 something times. They're terrified that he will do to them what they would do to us. Im terrified this reality tv liberal clown is gonna ruin the republican party for 20 something years The RNC has ruined the republican party for the past 20 years not voting the way their voters wanted, why do you think Trump was elected? |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 2:54:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I no longer care about the constitutional human rights of those who wish to destroy me and my people. I hope Trump is HALF the dictator they fear him to be. I want him to declare war on the left. Ya I’m sure if he was granted that power when the Left gets in control again it wouldn’t be used against us or anything. 
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Posted: 12/5/2023 2:54:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like naked election fraud? How'd that end up for them? Or sponsoring riots during the Summer of Floyd? Who went to jail for that one? This is the sort of thing that Third World shitholes do as far as politics and elections. And we're becoming a Third World shithole. Tell me, everyone: what exactly do you think will happen if some nut does kill Trump? Are you going to march on D.C.? (Please don't tell me if you're planning violence. I don't have a bomb to give you.) The Right has, with few exceptions, sat on their ass or simply gone to work like Boxer, for the last several decades of Leftist infiltration through pretty much any civilizational institution you can name. If the Left were frightened of the Right's reaction to this kind of abhorrent behavior we've seen already towards Trump, never mind assassinating him, Trump would never have been indicted in the first place. Well said. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 2:55:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Lieh-tzu In the same vein and very close alongside, do you recall when the military brass were on the record saying they weren't going to follow ... or were very seriously considering not following ... any commands from trump? IIRC we had a serious as heck thread here on the board about it and it had to get removed and etc to protect people and some real stuff rolled downhill. I didn't follow that thread much, didn't realize it had been nuked. This goes along with the post I made in the "what would you do with the CIA" thread. Failing to follow lawful orders should be a firing offense for all Federal employees. This notion that the bureaucrats can ignore a President they don't like is BS and it completely destroys the concept of a civilian elected government. When the People elect an outsider to reform things, ALL of FedGov has to be accountable to that direction, even if they don't like it. Civilian agencies, Defense, and intelligence community; all should be subject to ALL lawful orders of the elected government. In order to justify not following orders, or subverting the command authority, there would have to be some clear evidence that and order(s) is illegal. Not just questionable, or coming from some perceived incorrect motivation, but a clearly illegal order. And even that may not go far enough. All of it just establishes that the FedGov has gone too far in general. The 9th & 10th amendments need to make a big comeback. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 2:56:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I will not vote for Trump, even if he is the nominee. Countless Trumpers have said they will write in Trump, if DeSantis is the nominee. The party is deeply fractured, and that is 100% on Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We had the tea party before Trump, it was pretty fractious. Not nearly as bad as all the various * Trump * divisions we have now though. I will not vote for Trump, even if he is the nominee. Countless Trumpers have said they will write in Trump, if DeSantis is the nominee. The party is deeply fractured, and that is 100% on Trump. I am of the moderately held opinion that trump didn't fracture the republican party. He just made the pre-existing rifts more obvious. Hate him, love him, or don't give a rip, trump saw that there was a huge underserved or completely ignored "market" of voters that the federal politicians didn't merely just ignore, but actively hated and made it know that they hated. Whether or not he really sided with them and in his heart of hearts believed with them, he made them feel they had someone. Than he looked around at how those voters were treated and started picking their enemies as his enemies (look at how he treated the media). This made the gap between the federal politicans and the voters un-missable. It also outed the rinos and made them stick out ... in trumps words ... "hugely." ----------------- Because of this (eta) everyone who were not-hardcore-democrats started questioning how things got the way they are, but (just imo) in a mostly uninformed way. Meaning all sorts of nonsense got into the door that never should have. Trump made the splits obvious. People started questioning how things got that way. Cue the mess in the republican party that was always there coming to the surface. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 2:56:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The GOP establishment didn’t like Trump either. Trump demanded loyalty from everyone but offered nothing in return. That’s not how politics works. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If this was true, then the Rino's would have been working with Trump instead of hamstringing him in coordination with the rest of The Ruling Class. The Ruling Class does NOT equal being a Conservative. Yeah, I know Trump is an idiot about a good many things 'conservative'. No need to go through that shit again, but he's NOT a member of The Ruling Class. That can't realistically be disputed. The GOP establishment didn’t like Trump either. Trump demanded loyalty from everyone but offered nothing in return. That’s not how politics works. The GOPe IS The Ruling Class. Offered nothing to the enemy? Please. Assuming you're merely ignorant of what's going on, the sooner you accept the fact that The Ruling Class wants you flat-broke and defenseless - the sooner your vision will clear. If you aren't ignorant of what's going on, then your face may be in the trough. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 2:58:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's an argument that he's also the easiest to beat, which is something we also saw in the midterms with Dems boosting Trumpy candidates that often went down to defeat. So this sort of talk not only primes their coalition to do whatever is needed, it encourages wobbly Trump supporters to get behind him again. The Dem coalition is also quite fractured in case you haven't noticed with the anti-Jewish pogroms in Northern cities, a common enemy is useful for uniting them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ragebait is definitely a viable business model, and if it were Breitbart or Deadspin I would agree with your assessment. However vanity project outlets like WaPo and The Atlantic (which recently dropped an entire issue on a similar theme) don't fulfill that function (especially given they pretty much run at a loss already). Rather, their raison d'etre is presuasion and solving the coordination problem for a given cohort, which in this case are the sub-SES oversocialized PMC strivers. An FSO at State or a Project Manager at Meta needs to be told the objective and primed to take the proper action if given the chance, which happens when a variety of opeds and articles like this get dropped into their slack chats or wind up in their inboxes. Most of them will never be in a position to do anything of course, but a broadly distributed network of anonymous coconspirators increases the chances that one or more will be. To the extent that this riles the right it's purely a lagniappe, and largely depends on the degree of traction it gets with outlets like Gateway Pundit given that the people prone to impulsive acts mostly don't read these outlets. Fair enough, but why are they simultaneously doing everything they can to make sure Trump wins the nomination? A huge number of people who supported him in his first term became very tepid after watching him flail at the end. The thing that really revitalized his support was when they started going after him with criminal indictments. There was palpable, justifiable outrage when they raided Mara Lago. Every new, preposterous charge and unfair treatment in trials galvanizes the right to support him. Trumpy candidates that often went down to defeat. So this sort of talk not only primes their coalition to do whatever is needed, it encourages wobbly Trump supporters to get behind him again. The Dem coalition is also quite fractured in case you haven't noticed with the anti-Jewish pogroms in Northern cities, a common enemy is useful for uniting them. I think the dems are generally more meaningfully united because their system and views appeal to what is base and messed up in humanity. I believe that's how they survive the fact that "their young eat their old" on a very regular basis. And yes, this mess with their antisemitism competing with the anti-colonialists factions is something else to watch. IDK which side will win or if both will lose. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 2:58:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supposed billionaire, famous NY liberal, real estate magnate dynasty boy and TV show host is not part of the ruling class.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: All these so-called conservatives on here constantly bashing Trump have to leftist plants, or idiots. Was Trump perfect? Fuck no, but who the hell is? Name another Republican president who tried to get a handle on immigration in a meaningful way? I also honestly believe the man cares about our country and the people within it. Again, give me a recent example of a president who cared for the people and wasn’t beholden to the globalists? Don’t worry, I’ll wait…. Trump isn’t a conservative and never has been. Have you considered that true conservatives might dislike him because he’s the poster child of a rino? If this was true, then the Rino's would have been working with Trump instead of hamstringing him in coordination with the rest of The Ruling Class. The Ruling Class does NOT equal being a Conservative. Yeah, I know Trump is an idiot about a good many things 'conservative'. No need to go through that shit again, but he's NOT a member of The Ruling Class. That can't realistically be disputed. Supposed billionaire, famous NY liberal, real estate magnate dynasty boy and TV show host is not part of the ruling class. You just showed us your ass and didn't say shit. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:00:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those pushing this narrative certainly want you to believe that. Hogwash. Lots of people who were on the Trump train in 2016 (and 2020) got sick of his antics. He lost votes from 2016 to 2020, and lost more votes after 2020. He has no path to the White House. Nobody wins the White House without winning over the moderates. If you think the population of Q is going to deliver electoral success, you are not in touch with reality. A Republican needs all self-describes conservatives (including those that think other conservatives aren't conservative enough), AND a big chuck of moderate/independent voters. Trump lost most of his support in that group. It's not a narrative, it's a polling fact. Trump is a winner in polls of "conservative" voters, bigtime. Great. But that means he can get about 35% of the popular vote. He offers nothing to attract general support from the center and center-left, the latter who could be pried away from the Dems given a good alternative and a good campaign. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:00:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump isn’t a conservative and never has been. Have you considered that true conservatives might dislike him because he’s the poster child of a rino? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All these so-called conservatives on here constantly bashing Trump have to leftist plants, or idiots. Was Trump perfect? Fuck no, but who the hell is? Name another Republican president who tried to get a handle on immigration in a meaningful way? I also honestly believe the man cares about our country and the people within it. Again, give me a recent example of a president who cared for the people and wasn’t beholden to the globalists? Don’t worry, I’ll wait…. Trump isn’t a conservative and never has been. Have you considered that true conservatives might dislike him because he’s the poster child of a rino? I think a lot of actual conservatives side with him (willingly or begrudgingly) because trump has picked some of the same enemies (media, leftist fringe, etc.) that the conservatives have. Those people coming out of the woodwork to attack him and worse just strengthens that. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:01:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I'll say what I mean bluntly: Calling for people to do "whatever it takes" before it's "too late" and "your family is at risk" when your morals are "If we don't like someone, like, say, the unborn, we dehumanize them" ... is wrong. Even more wrong to apply that to someone who does not deserve that.. Everyone and their brothers cousins uncle's 2nd removed niece know what the heck that wapo article is saying should be done. 
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:02:05 PM EST
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:02:28 PM EST
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LOLOL…
Gray bar identification thread! LOLOL… |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:03:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump is the only Republican who could lose to Biden. I hope you're correct. I sadly think we're going to find out that you're not. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:04:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Things like this are why I stopped buying memberships here. One benefit of a paid membership should be to ignore shitbird trollers but this place makes them mods instead. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He's a mod somewhere on the site. Can't put mods on ignore. Exactly why i don't buy a membership. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:04:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supposed billionaire, famous NY liberal, real estate magnate dynasty boy and TV show host is not part of the ruling class. Psst….your bias is showing. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:04:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was that before or after they got off the phone with China? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is just my personal opinion but I feel extremely strongly about it. Last I checked I was allowed to have one. Social media/reality tv society is the worst thing that has happened to our country. Through Facebook, youtube,twitter, domestic news sources, etc. moonbat shit has become financially incentivized. Ragebait. You see it even here where it's an unmanipulated chronologically ranked forum. The controversy always seems to float to the top eventually. With most social media there are algorithms that target you based specifically on your political positions. It will only send you stuff it knows you will engage with. Usually negative stories, it’s designed to manipulate you. It is nefarious and they don’t only do it to the right. It knows what you are going to click on and then only sends you that kind of stuff. It usually is negative. This news article is the perfect example of confirmation bias and was targeted at getting the right riled up not the left. You make a bunch of valid points, but then your concluding comment was WAAAAAAYYY off in the next county. Kagan doesn't write for getting the right riled up. WaPo readers are left wing, and a few people who like to keep tabs on the left wing. Kagan writes for his audience, the people who agree with him. If you think that opinion column (not "news article") was aimed at people on the right, you really don't know anything about Kagan or the Post. @eesmith - can you share with the audience what the Democrat activists were planning in the event of a Trump victory in 2020? I recall you read (and wrote) about it. Keekleberrys, they were planning a literal insurrection. Not a fake insurrection in the form of a particularly rowdy public protest march, a real, genuine insurrection derailing government at multiple levels. That's the kind of thing Kagan is about. So when he calls for "someone" to contemplate Trump as literally Caesar, it's more than rage bait. Think about it: they've tried every conceivable means to get Trump out of the public square. Impeachments, subpoenas, arrests, criminal charges: nothing works. What are they left with, if getting him out of the public square is the only acceptable outcome? Some Trump supporters were literally murdered in the street in 2020. Did that generate any tangible consequences? Lee Keltner's family never got any justice, and nothing came of it. Dismissing Kagan as ragebait is grossly incorrect. He's literally a public voice of the DC Establishment. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71wHxz+RO+L._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg What came after the assassination of Caesar was abject tyranny and destruction. Which is kinda what the Left is going for anyway. But unintended consequences have a way of disrupting visionary ideas. @Lieh-tzu In the same vein and very close alongside, do you recall when the military brass were on the record saying they weren't going to follow ... or were very seriously considering not following ... any commands from trump? IIRC we had a serious as heck thread here on the board about it and it had to get removed and etc to protect people and some real stuff rolled downhill. Was that before or after they got off the phone with China? I honestly don't recall. I vaguely think it was before we *knew* about the milley call(s) to the CCP. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:07:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I no longer care about the constitutional human rights of those who wish to destroy me and my people. I hope Trump is HALF the dictator they fear him to be. I want him to declare war on the left. Of COURSE you only care about the rights of those you agree with. The hilarity is that Trump doesn’t give a fuck about your rights at all, and as a dictator he would have implemented his own AWB in 2018. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:07:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: bingo Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Trump is the only Republican who could lose to Biden. You mean the only repub the state won't allow to win? bingo And that stuff is being documented: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/AZ-audit-AZ-Audit-Hearing-6-27-22-pulitzer-paper-analysis/5-2475195/? |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:07:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOLOL… Gray bar identification thread! LOLOL… If you ignore people for being Trumpers, Qtards, or never-Trumpers, you are showing that the problem is you. If you have to ignore people, just ignore the Russian shills and Alabama fans.  
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:08:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think a lot of actual conservatives side with him (willingly or begrudgingly) because trump has picked some of the same enemies (media, leftist fringe, etc.) that the conservatives have. Those people coming out of the woodwork to attack him and worse just strengthens that. The enemy of my enemy thing works great but it’s highly susceptible to turning around and biting you in the ass. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:09:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ya I’m sure if he was granted that power when the Left gets in control again it wouldn’t be used against us or anything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I no longer care about the constitutional human rights of those who wish to destroy me and my people. I hope Trump is HALF the dictator they fear him to be. I want him to declare war on the left. Ya I’m sure if he was granted that power when the Left gets in control again it wouldn’t be used against us or anything. More importantly, the left could be crippled for generations by .... Merely enforcing cotus - the text of it. Just what it means, not more, not less. There is no need for a dictatorship to crush them. The left put themselves in a position to get screwed by the meaning of the text of our law by making up crap for centuries and saying it's law, when it's not. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:10:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hogwash. Lots of people who were on the Trump train in 2016 (and 2020) got sick of his antics. He lost votes from 2016 to 2020, and lost more votes after 2020. He has no path to the White House. Nobody wins the White House without winning over the moderates. If you think the population of Q is going to deliver electoral success, you are not in touch with reality. A Republican needs all self-describes conservatives (including those that think other conservatives aren't conservative enough), AND a big chuck of moderate/independent voters. Trump lost most of his support in that group. It's not a narrative, it's a polling fact. Trump is a winner in polls of "conservative" voters, bigtime. Great. But that means he can get about 35% of the popular vote. He offers nothing to attract general support from the center and center-left, the latter who could be pried away from the Dems given a good alternative and a good campaign. Look again. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:13:46 PM EST
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Article ignores the fact that if Trump is elected, it is due to the 90 million + votes he will receive. Behind most of those votes is a real person who would love nothing more than to see the corrupt establishment brought to its knees. Trump's revenge tour will be a mandate.
"They're really after you, I'm just in the way" really rings true when taken in the context of this article. Also, contrary to what was claimed a few posts up, Trump gained over 10 million votes between 2016 and 2020. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:23:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it's projection, based on what they have done. Let's not forget how corrupt things became under Obama and before.... Their first actions against Trump before he was even elected, was to fabricate pretense to spy on his campaign. Which after becoming elected, morphed into an seditionous coup attempt to stifle and remove him from power. We spent over 2 years with non stop bullshit being spread about Russian collusion. That they knew was completely fabricated bullshit that they paid for. You may think Covid and what happened in 2020 was just a extremely beneficial coincidence for the Democrats/uniparty. But I do not, they would have not been able to install corrupt Biden, without it. Then, if you want to look accuse someone of acting as a dictator, destroying America, American values. You can point at this administration. Creation of the J6 fedsurrection and all the weaponization that came out of that. Vaccine/mask mandates, purging government and private sector of conservative/independent thinkers. Using government to suppress free speech on the Internet. Weaponization against parents, against Catholics, Christians. White supremacy being the greatest threat to the nation, that is an outrageous baseless lie. All the Climate Cult nonsense. Flooding the border to overwhelm the country with illegal aliens. Let's not forget all the gun control issued by executive fiat. Perfectly stated and 100% accurate. Why seemingly intelligent people can't see these things just baffles me. I truly believe that the main thing driving those afflicted with TDS is that they simply don't like his personality. Just the fact that the left hates him so much is all the reason I need to vote for him. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:25:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Article ignores the fact that if Trump is elected, it is due to the 90 million + votes he will receive. Behind most of those votes is a real person who would love nothing more than to see the corrupt establishment brought to its knees. Trump's revenge tour will be a mandate. "They're really after you, I'm just in the way" really rings true when taken in the context of this article. Also, contrary to what was claimed a few posts up, Trump gained over 10 million votes between 2016 and 2020.  Trump banks on these kinds of cultist fallacies for his re-election bid. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:27:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perfectly stated and 100% accurate. Why seemingly intelligent people can't see these things just baffles me. I truly believe that the main thing driving those afflicted with TDS is that they simply don't like his personality. Just the fact that the left hates him so much is all the reason I need to vote for him. Ya its totally not: The fact he got more GUN CONTROL done than Obama and Biden Combined Massive Deficit Spending Ignoring The Constitution Not Keeping Any Of His Campaign Promises No Second Amendment Coalition No Wall No Lock Her Up No 2A Gains Installing the Swamp in his cabinet "Best People" Weaponizing the ATF then trying to appoint someone so left as Director the RINOs stopped him Wanting Negative Interest Rates to prop up the fake economy Wants to Ban Suppressors Claims he doesn't know why anyone needs the Rifle this site is named after Pro LGBTQ+ Pro Choice Pushed RFL Pushed Raising Buying Age For Guns The list go on and on Ya we just don't like his personality.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:29:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump banks on these kinds of cultist fallacies for his re-election bid. That’s the same guy cheering the Q wackiness in another thread. Maybe he’s just a cult expert. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:30:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you ignore people for being Trumpers, Qtards, or never-Trumpers, you are showing that the problem is you. If you have to ignore people, just ignore the Russian shills and Alabama fans. Oh, Alabama fans for sure.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:33:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FIFY And there it is. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:39:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ya, interesting bit of logic on that post Funny, after reading his post, the word "logic " never crossed my mind. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:43:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ya its totally not: The fact he got more GUN CONTROL done than Obama and Biden Combined Massive Deficit Spending Ignoring The Constitution Not Keeping Any Of His Campaign Promises No Second Amendment Coalition No Wall No Lock Her Up No 2A Gains Installing the Swamp in his cabinet "Best People" Weaponizing the ATF then trying to appoint someone so left as Director the RINOs stopped him Wanting Negative Interest Rates to prop up the fake economy Wants to Ban Suppressors Claims he doesn't know why anyone needs the Rifle this site is named after Pro LGBTQ+ Pro Choice Pushed RFL Pushed Raising Buying Age For Guns The list go on and on Ya we just don't like his personality. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Perfectly stated and 100% accurate. Why seemingly intelligent people can't see these things just baffles me. I truly believe that the main thing driving those afflicted with TDS is that they simply don't like his personality. Just the fact that the left hates him so much is all the reason I need to vote for him. Ya its totally not: The fact he got more GUN CONTROL done than Obama and Biden Combined Massive Deficit Spending Ignoring The Constitution Not Keeping Any Of His Campaign Promises No Second Amendment Coalition No Wall No Lock Her Up No 2A Gains Installing the Swamp in his cabinet "Best People" Weaponizing the ATF then trying to appoint someone so left as Director the RINOs stopped him Wanting Negative Interest Rates to prop up the fake economy Wants to Ban Suppressors Claims he doesn't know why anyone needs the Rifle this site is named after Pro LGBTQ+ Pro Choice Pushed RFL Pushed Raising Buying Age For Guns The list go on and on Ya we just don't like his personality. This is not about trump or never trump. This is about a major news outlet calling on it's readers to do the needful against a political candidate they don't like. Submerging this in the tribal politics is dangerous. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:44:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supposed billionaire, famous NY liberal, real estate magnate dynasty boy and TV show host is not part of the ruling class. Again, if he was, they wouldn’t come after him like they do. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:44:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see the problem, assuming it's his actual opinion and he's not trolling. If he was abusing his mod status by editing or erasing posts he didn't agree with, or banning members he didn't agree with....then I'd agree it's a problem. I'm not defending what he said, because I don't agree with it.....but just because he's a mod in a different forum doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion in GD. Pretty sure Arf existed without the ignore button for a lot longer than it's had it.....it's not that hard to "ignore" posts you don't like....even if you can't grey bar them. He absolutely is entitled to his erroneous opinion however paying members ought to have the means to put him on ignore if they so choose. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:48:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who from his administration has not turned against him? Giuliani? People he hand picked are like “this guy is a complete moron”. It’s something like 44/48 of his former cabinet members are not endorsing him again in 2024. And some are quite vocally against him. The followers will just blame it on the “deep state”, but any halfway intelligent person can connect the dots. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:52:50 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump isn’t paying his own legal bills. This has been explained to you. A bit of advice. Even when you make a good point you're condescending tone and manner turn people off. Just because you proclaim something as gospel doesn't necessarily make it so. There can be multiple eyewitnesses to a crime and each one will swear their version of events is the correct one. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:53:15 PM EST
[#39]
It's all bullshit justification for what they've done and what they will do. They can all eat shit.
Trump was elected president. An unelected and totalitarian elite did everything they could think of to prevent him from carrying out the duties we elected him for and then they tried removing him from office for superfluous reasons They blatantly neutered our rightful election of the person we chose for president. They speak of far flung possibilities yet have already done the deed of killing our democracy and usurping power with totalitarian and all seeing asswipes who deserve absolutely nothing good. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:53:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, if he was, they wouldn’t come after him like they do. Where were you for the last 30 years? The media has said this about RNC Presidents and Politicians for years. They said the same about GWB for years over the wars. Trump has been involved in legal troubles long before he was President. It’s just convenient he can now frame is as a political attack. Was it a political attack when he was hanging with the Clinton’s and Epstein? Bread and Circuses works. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:54:46 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am of the moderately held opinion that trump didn't fracture the republican party. He just made the pre-existing rifts more obvious. Hate him, love him, or don't give a rip, trump saw that there was a huge underserved or completely ignored "market" of voters that the federal politicians didn't merely just ignore, but actively hated and made it know that they hated. Whether or not he really sided with them and in his heart of hearts believed with them, he made them feel they had someone. Than he looked around at how those voters were treated and started picking their enemies as his enemies (look at how he treated the media). This made the gap between the federal politicans and the voters un-missable. It also outed the rinos and made them stick out ... in trumps words ... "hugely." ----------------- Because of this (eta) everyone who were not-hardcore-democrats started questioning how things got the way they are, but (just imo) in a mostly uninformed way. Meaning all sorts of nonsense got into the door that never should have. Trump made the splits obvious. People started questioning how things got that way. Cue the mess in the republican party that was always there coming to the surface. I don’t really have much to disagree with here. Trump certainly knew who was voting base, and was able to convince them that he was one of them, and had their back. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:55:25 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's all bullshit justification for what they've done and what they will do. They can all eat shit. Trump was elected president. An unelected and totalitarian elite did everything they could think of to prevent him from carrying out the duties we elected him for and then they tried removing him from office for superfluous reasons They blatantly neutered our rightful election of the person we chose for president. They speak of far flung possibilities yet have already done the deed of killing our democracy and usurping power with totalitarian and all seeing asswipes who deserve absolutely nothing good. You should provide Trumps legal team with all your proof it was stolen since they didn’t have any in court. He grifted all the people that believe this nonsense with his Stop the Steal fraud. Easy way to grift another how many million off the gullible? |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:55:38 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where were you for the last 30 years? The media has said this about RNC Presidents and Politicians for years. They said the same about GWB for years over the wars. Trump has been involved in legal troubles long before he was President. It’s just convenient he can now frame is as a political attack. Was it a political attack when he was hanging with the Clinton’s and Epstein? Bread and Circuses works. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Again, if he was, they wouldn’t come after him like they do. Where were you for the last 30 years? The media has said this about RNC Presidents and Politicians for years. They said the same about GWB for years over the wars. Trump has been involved in legal troubles long before he was President. It’s just convenient he can now frame is as a political attack. Was it a political attack when he was hanging with the Clinton’s and Epstein? Bread and Circuses works. Which former president has been raided by the state? Ever? |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:57:20 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Look again. Again, the difference between raw numbers and percentages. Raw numbers (especially the Covid 2020 election) are meaningless when compared to any other election. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:57:34 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is not about trump or never trump. This is about a major news outlet calling on it's readers to do the needful against a political candidate they don't like. Submerging this in the tribal politics is dangerous. This I do agree on....Always_Trumper/Never_Trumper/Maybe_Trumper. Assignation of a political figure you don't like, even one you think may be the Devil is a Rubicon we collectively do not want to cross. Both sides need to step away from the extremes on both sides of the debate. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:58:51 PM EST
[#46]
I'm not a Trump supporter but that article is pitiful. I can't stand most of Trump (voted for him 2x), but that makes me mad.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:59:12 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t really have much to disagree with here. Trump certainly knew who was voting base, and was able to convince them that he was one of them, and had their back. Trumps a Fantastic salesman! I just wish he was actually on our side and it wasn’t all disproven by his actual words and actions as POTUS. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:59:20 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t really have much to disagree with here. Trump certainly knew who was voting base, and was able to convince them that he was one of them, and had their back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am of the moderately held opinion that trump didn't fracture the republican party. He just made the pre-existing rifts more obvious. Hate him, love him, or don't give a rip, trump saw that there was a huge underserved or completely ignored "market" of voters that the federal politicians didn't merely just ignore, but actively hated and made it know that they hated. Whether or not he really sided with them and in his heart of hearts believed with them, he made them feel they had someone. Than he looked around at how those voters were treated and started picking their enemies as his enemies (look at how he treated the media). This made the gap between the federal politicans and the voters un-missable. It also outed the rinos and made them stick out ... in trumps words ... "hugely." ----------------- Because of this (eta) everyone who were not-hardcore-democrats started questioning how things got the way they are, but (just imo) in a mostly uninformed way. Meaning all sorts of nonsense got into the door that never should have. Trump made the splits obvious. People started questioning how things got that way. Cue the mess in the republican party that was always there coming to the surface. I don’t really have much to disagree with here. Trump certainly knew who was voting base, and was able to convince them that he was one of them, and had their back. I've seen and listened to several of George H. Nash's lectures and talks about how opposition to the communists used to unify the conservative movement, and now that the soviet bloc fell, that glue was lost. If the left keeps pushing like this they could wind up re-unifying the conservative bloc. (eta) with the newly insane marxist left as the enemy. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:01:30 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a Trump supporter but that article is pitiful. I can't stand most of Trump (voted for him 2x), but that makes me mad. They're treating trump like an unwanted preborn child. If they can rationalize the one, they can rationalize the other. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:02:19 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which former president has been raided by the state? Ever? Maybe they were trying to figure out why he loves Gun Control so much? Seemed he had documents that he hadn’t done his Presidential sanitation on. FBI probably takes a dim view of that. The article is trash from WaPo and the writer should be fired. That being said it’s politics as usual from the left. |
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