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Quoted: If she’s got it on every day, gives it away. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you see a girl wearing a piece of jewelry like this, she is a freak. Try to take it for a spin… but you may need to wait until her contract is up. https://i.etsystatic.com/22195800/r/il/5c974d/2229851281/il_794xN.2229851281_fste.jpg While a discrete "collar" you might be assuming a bit much that any woman wearing one is a submissive... much less in a D/s relationship. While there is symbolism, to some women it is merely aesthetics without any deeper meaning. If she’s got it on every day, gives it away. No, it really doesn't. Tell me how long you've been in the lifestyle. I started hanging out at the Vault, Hellfire and Pandora's Box in NYC in the mid 90's. I was also affiliated with TES. I attended fetish conventions in NYC, Boston, DC and Vegas fairly regularly... back before the Secretary and 50 Shades of Stupidity mainstreamed the lifestyle. I knew a member of Congress who was the slave of his female chief of staff. Those were my younger years and long in the rearview mirror, but I think it is safe to say I've forgotten more about the lifestyle than most people think they know. |
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Quoted: Was there birth control or paternity testing back when those rules were written? Also a lot of those guys in the Bible had lots of wives and concubines. There's nothing that says you can only bone one chick at a time. View Quote Show may ANY place in the Bible where having more than one wife didn't cause a bunch of trouble. Didn't work out good for King David, didn't work out good for King Soloman, didn't work out good for Abraham. Jesus made clear that He was not a fan of polygamy, serial or parallel. |
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Quoted: You have to wear it upside down. Good luck with that View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So, if I wear this shirt... https://tropaholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Mens-shirt-pineapple-.jpg You have to wear it upside down. Good luck with that So - everyone with that shirt in Australia ... ? |
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Quoted: I have one too. I'm gonna have to pay attention to whether women are looking at it now . Lol. Not gonna swing but it'll be fun to catch someone looking View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Heh, the wife was just telling me about this yesterday. I have had a black wedding band for several years for... reasons. I’ve got one on right now. The article said it needed to be on the right hand to be a sign. |
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I follow a band around that plays different venues. They have a group of older swingers that follow them around also. They're super friendly to everyone, even those not into swinging, but not the most attractive bunch. I always visualized swingers being in their 20-40's. These folks are in mostly in their 40s, 50's and 60's. It's entertaining to see two rather average looking, middle-aged women grinding on each other on the dance floor. I've been told us non-swingers are referred to as "vanillas". I'll have to keep a lookout for the right hand bands and upside down pineapples.
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Quoted: No, it really doesn't. Tell me how long you've been in the lifestyle. I started hanging out at the Vault, Hellfire and Pandora's Box in NYC in the mid 90's. I was also affiliated with TES. I attended fetish conventions in NYC, Boston, DC and Vegas fairly regularly... back before the Secretary and 50 Shades of Stupidity mainstreamed the lifestyle. I knew a member of Congress who was the slave of his female chief of staff. Those were my younger years and long in the rearview mirror, but I think it is safe to say I've forgotten more about the lifestyle than most people think they know. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you see a girl wearing a piece of jewelry like this, she is a freak. Try to take it for a spin… but you may need to wait until her contract is up. https://i.etsystatic.com/22195800/r/il/5c974d/2229851281/il_794xN.2229851281_fste.jpg While a discrete "collar" you might be assuming a bit much that any woman wearing one is a submissive... much less in a D/s relationship. While there is symbolism, to some women it is merely aesthetics without any deeper meaning. If she’s got it on every day, gives it away. No, it really doesn't. Tell me how long you've been in the lifestyle. I started hanging out at the Vault, Hellfire and Pandora's Box in NYC in the mid 90's. I was also affiliated with TES. I attended fetish conventions in NYC, Boston, DC and Vegas fairly regularly... back before the Secretary and 50 Shades of Stupidity mainstreamed the lifestyle. I knew a member of Congress who was the slave of his female chief of staff. Those were my younger years and long in the rearview mirror, but I think it is safe to say I've forgotten more about the lifestyle than most people think they know. I am but a young tadpole in this pond. |
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Quoted: Putting a pineapple in your home is a really old tradition that has nothing to do with swinging. I wonder how many of those people don't know what it could mean. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: We see the pineapple thing at campgrounds quite frequently. Last fall while camping cruising around on the golf cart my wife pointed out a pineapple sticker on a Class A and then had to tactfully explain to my 10 year old what it meant. Now when he sees them them blurts out, "look, they're swingers" Putting a pineapple in your home is a really old tradition that has nothing to do with swinging. I wonder how many of those people don't know what it could mean. I always heard it was supposed to be an upside-down pineapple. They even covered it on an episode of the TV show Ghosts. The neighbors have a yard sale and the main character's husband gets all excited because they're selling an upside-down pineapple lamp. He doesn't know any better, but suddenly the neighbors think they're swingers and try to get them to join in at a swinger party. |
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Quoted: Show may ANY place in the Bible where having more than one wife didn't cause a bunch of trouble. Didn't work out good for King David, didn't work out good for King Soloman, didn't work out good for Abraham. Jesus made clear that He was not a fan of polygamy, serial or parallel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Was there birth control or paternity testing back when those rules were written? Also a lot of those guys in the Bible had lots of wives and concubines. There's nothing that says you can only bone one chick at a time. Show may ANY place in the Bible where having more than one wife didn't cause a bunch of trouble. Didn't work out good for King David, didn't work out good for King Soloman, didn't work out good for Abraham. Jesus made clear that He was not a fan of polygamy, serial or parallel. No, he didn't. You're just going to have to accept that that religion didn't state an opinion on a guy having multiple women. |
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Quoted: I hate to tell you this, but couples have been swinging forever, this is not a new thing. The internet just makes things seem like everyone does it. There's no reason to freak out, lol. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Fucking degenerates. Openly accepting things like swinging is a small part of the downfall of western society. It’s like declining birth rates and people not having kids. It all comes together. In order to save the Republic, people need to marry, people need to have kids, and commies need to be replaced. I hate to tell you this, but couples have been swinging forever, this is not a new thing. The internet just makes things seem like everyone does it. There's no reason to freak out, lol. 50 or so years ago... Attached File Kids these days. |
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Quoted: I have one too. I'm gonna have to pay attention to whether women are looking at it now . Lol. Not gonna swing but it'll be fun to catch someone looking View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Heh, the wife was just telling me about this yesterday. I have had a black wedding band for several years for... reasons. I've had mine for 15-years now. Never once caught a woman looking or showing any interest in me. I have a friend I had to take the ER once. He also has a dark wedding band. We're pretty sure the doc that tended to him thought our rings were gay wedding bands. |
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Unrelated. How many people have seen a pineapple plant?
They grow "upside-down". It's wild. |
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Lots of wtf in these comments. Shit has been going on forever.
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Quoted: Unrelated. How many people have seen a pineapple plant? They grow "upside-down". It's wild. View Quote Attached File |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Unrelated. How many people have seen a pineapple plant? They grow "upside-down". It's wild. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/312702/download_jpg-2745028.JPG They are standing up from the ground! Not hanging from trees like they should be! |
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Quoted: Nice. I was at my sister's house yesterday and saw she uses her daughter's Netflix login. Her son-in-law has his own Profile. Son-in-law served in Iraq in the Marines then went National Guard and now CG Reserves, has about 10 years as a Sheriff's deputy, and was on the SWAT and Dive teams. He's definitely A-type personality and a big ball of testosterone. So....I went into his profile and started every LGBTQ movie I could find to fill up his "Continue Watching" feed. I also filled up his "My List" page with gay movies, and clicked on the "double thumbs up" icon for all those movies to mess with the algorithm, so now when you open his main page all the Category lists are LGBTQABCFBICIA related. Now I just have to wait..... View Quote |
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Quoted: I've known two different couples that were into the "swinger" lifestyle and they both ended in complete disaster. View Quote They say that about half the new swingers are dudes that pushed their wife into the lifestyle so they can get new pussy. Usually divorced within a year because wife is not really down with it but was too submissive to say no. Not a can of worms I'd risk opening but it does work for some people with the right mindset |
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Quoted: No, he didn't. You're just going to have to accept that that religion didn't state an opinion on a guy having multiple women. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Was there birth control or paternity testing back when those rules were written? Also a lot of those guys in the Bible had lots of wives and concubines. There's nothing that says you can only bone one chick at a time. Show may ANY place in the Bible where having more than one wife didn't cause a bunch of trouble. Didn't work out good for King David, didn't work out good for King Soloman, didn't work out good for Abraham. Jesus made clear that He was not a fan of polygamy, serial or parallel. No, he didn't. You're just going to have to accept that that religion didn't state an opinion on a guy having multiple women. Adultry...you should look up the definition of that, as well as how the term was used in the Bible. |
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Quoted: I have to admit that that’s pretty much the perfect level of thicc’ness View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That big blonde looks like fun. Except for the STDs, of course. Indeed she does. I have to admit that that’s pretty much the perfect level of thicc’ness she is so hot |
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Quoted: Nice. I was at my sister's house yesterday and saw she uses her daughter's Netflix login. Her son-in-law has his own Profile. Son-in-law served in Iraq in the Marines then went National Guard and now CG Reserves, has about 10 years as a Sheriff's deputy, and was on the SWAT and Dive teams. He's definitely A-type personality and a big ball of testosterone. So....I went into his profile and started every LGBTQ movie I could find to fill up his "Continue Watching" feed. I also filled up his "My List" page with gay movies, and clicked on the "double thumbs up" icon for all those movies to mess with the algorithm, so now when you open his main page all the Category lists are LGBTQABCFBICIA related. Now I just have to wait..... View Quote |
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Quoted: Adultry...you should look up the definition of that, as well as how the term was used in the Bible. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Was there birth control or paternity testing back when those rules were written? Also a lot of those guys in the Bible had lots of wives and concubines. There's nothing that says you can only bone one chick at a time. Show may ANY place in the Bible where having more than one wife didn't cause a bunch of trouble. Didn't work out good for King David, didn't work out good for King Soloman, didn't work out good for Abraham. Jesus made clear that He was not a fan of polygamy, serial or parallel. No, he didn't. You're just going to have to accept that that religion didn't state an opinion on a guy having multiple women. Adultry...you should look up the definition of that, as well as how the term was used in the Bible. cop out. |
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Quoted: I knew a couple that decided to start swinging to save their marriage lol. They were divorced a year later, wife married one of their partners who cheats on her all the time. The husband lives with and is in a poly relationship with a guy and his wife. Their three daughters are young adults now, 1 is currently on probation, 1 does onlyfans and 1 is a weirdo artist. Sure saved their marriage. View Quote This. I flew with a guy who talked his wife into swinging back in the 70’s. She ended up REALLY liking it. He said he had to stand outside a bathroom listening to his wife get railed by a guy with a huge piece of meat. They divorced and he ended up being miserable. I’ll pass. |
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Quoted: No, he didn't. You're just going to have to accept that that religion didn't state an opinion on a guy having multiple women. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Was there birth control or paternity testing back when those rules were written? Also a lot of those guys in the Bible had lots of wives and concubines. There's nothing that says you can only bone one chick at a time. Show may ANY place in the Bible where having more than one wife didn't cause a bunch of trouble. Didn't work out good for King David, didn't work out good for King Soloman, didn't work out good for Abraham. Jesus made clear that He was not a fan of polygamy, serial or parallel. No, he didn't. You're just going to have to accept that that religion didn't state an opinion on a guy having multiple women. Mathew 19 3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?” 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” 8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. [b]But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” See also: Mark 10 |
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Quoted: Mathew 19 3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?” 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” 8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. [b]But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” See also: Mark 10 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Was there birth control or paternity testing back when those rules were written? Also a lot of those guys in the Bible had lots of wives and concubines. There's nothing that says you can only bone one chick at a time. Show may ANY place in the Bible where having more than one wife didn't cause a bunch of trouble. Didn't work out good for King David, didn't work out good for King Soloman, didn't work out good for Abraham. Jesus made clear that He was not a fan of polygamy, serial or parallel. No, he didn't. You're just going to have to accept that that religion didn't state an opinion on a guy having multiple women. Mathew 19 3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?” 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” 8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. [b]But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” See also: Mark 10 ok. and? |
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Quoted: This. I flew with a guy who talked his wife into swinging back in the 70’s. She ended up REALLY liking it. He said he had to stand outside a bathroom listening to his wife get railed by a guy with a huge piece of meat. They divorced and he ended up being miserable. I’ll pass. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I knew a couple that decided to start swinging to save their marriage lol. They were divorced a year later, wife married one of their partners who cheats on her all the time. The husband lives with and is in a poly relationship with a guy and his wife. Their three daughters are young adults now, 1 is currently on probation, 1 does onlyfans and 1 is a weirdo artist. Sure saved their marriage. This. I flew with a guy who talked his wife into swinging back in the 70’s. She ended up REALLY liking it. He said he had to stand outside a bathroom listening to his wife get railed by a guy with a huge piece of meat. They divorced and he ended up being miserable. I’ll pass. That falls under the careful what you ask for rule. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Was there birth control or paternity testing back when those rules were written? Also a lot of those guys in the Bible had lots of wives and concubines. There's nothing that says you can only bone one chick at a time. Show may ANY place in the Bible where having more than one wife didn't cause a bunch of trouble. Didn't work out good for King David, didn't work out good for King Soloman, didn't work out good for Abraham. Jesus made clear that He was not a fan of polygamy, serial or parallel. No, he didn't. You're just going to have to accept that that religion didn't state an opinion on a guy having multiple women. Adultry...you should look up the definition of that, as well as how the term was used in the Bible. cop out. You really shouldn't opine on that which you know not. There is only ONE circumstance where having sex with someone that isn't your wife is condoned in the old testament, and that is if your brother dies and has no heirs. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Was there birth control or paternity testing back when those rules were written? Also a lot of those guys in the Bible had lots of wives and concubines. There's nothing that says you can only bone one chick at a time. Show may ANY place in the Bible where having more than one wife didn't cause a bunch of trouble. Didn't work out good for King David, didn't work out good for King Soloman, didn't work out good for Abraham. Jesus made clear that He was not a fan of polygamy, serial or parallel. No, he didn't. You're just going to have to accept that that religion didn't state an opinion on a guy having multiple women. Mathew 19 3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?” 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” 8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. [b]But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” See also: Mark 10 ok. and? I can provide the quote. I cannot "magic" reading comprehension into you. The whole discussion was prompted by the Pharisees contrasting old testament polygamy verses the monogamy that Rome, who controlled Israel at the time, enforced. It was a "trap" question to Jesus, to try to get him in trouble either way. If Jesus said "polygamy is cool" then he would be advocating breaking Roman law. If He said "one wife" then He would be siding with the Romans against Jewish tradition. The Pharisees thought they had Jesus trapped in a no-win situation. As usual, they were wrong. |
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I've known a few swingers that were in long term committed relationships and are doing just fine at life.
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Quoted: I've known a few swingers that were in long term committed relationships and are doing just fine at life. View Quote My coworker and his wife are swingers. They’ve been together for 20 years or so. He’s very open about it. They have swinger parties all the time it seems. I’m single but when I was married the thought never crossed my mind to do such a thing. |
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Quoted: My coworker and his wife are swingers. They’ve been together for 20 years or so. He’s very open about it. They have swinger parties all the time it seems. I’m single but when I was married the thought never crossed my mind to do such a thing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I've known a few swingers that were in long term committed relationships and are doing just fine at life. My coworker and his wife are swingers. They’ve been together for 20 years or so. He’s very open about it. They have swinger parties all the time it seems. I’m single but when I was married the thought never crossed my mind to do such a thing. Yeah its not something we're into either, but there's a lot more people making it work than GD would ever realize. |
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Quoted: You really shouldn't opine on that which you know not. There is only ONE circumstance where having sex with someone that isn't your wife is condoned in the old testament, and that is if your brother dies and has no heirs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Was there birth control or paternity testing back when those rules were written? Also a lot of those guys in the Bible had lots of wives and concubines. There's nothing that says you can only bone one chick at a time. Show may ANY place in the Bible where having more than one wife didn't cause a bunch of trouble. Didn't work out good for King David, didn't work out good for King Soloman, didn't work out good for Abraham. Jesus made clear that He was not a fan of polygamy, serial or parallel. No, he didn't. You're just going to have to accept that that religion didn't state an opinion on a guy having multiple women. Adultry...you should look up the definition of that, as well as how the term was used in the Bible. cop out. You really shouldn't opine on that which you know not. There is only ONE circumstance where having sex with someone that isn't your wife is condoned in the old testament, and that is if your brother dies and has no heirs. First of all, that's now how laws work. Laws prohibit things. Anything not prohibited is not covered. You talking about what "is condoned" turns your first arrogant statement right back on yourself. |
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Seems like swingers are usually unattractive. This couple is a great example.
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Quoted: First of all, that's now how laws work. Laws prohibit things. Anything not prohibited is not covered. You talking about what "is condoned" turns your first arrogant statement right back on yourself. View Quote Laws can also MANDATE things. Life filling out your taxes or reporting for jury duty or being drafted. You aren't as smart as you think you are. |
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Quoted: Laws can also MANDATE things. Life filling out your taxes or reporting for jury duty or being drafted. You aren't as smart as you think you are. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: First of all, that's now how laws work. Laws prohibit things. Anything not prohibited is not covered. You talking about what "is condoned" turns your first arrogant statement right back on yourself. Laws can also MANDATE things. Life filling out your taxes or reporting for jury duty or being drafted. You aren't as smart as you think you are. A law that prohibits or mandates certain behavior is governing that behavior. If no law exists about certain behavior, then that behavior is not prohibited nor mandated. |
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My wife has some friends of hers who go to nudist beaches.
When she told me, I said: "Those aren't the kind of people I want to see naked". It's always that way. |
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Quoted: I'm guessing 99% of people with two Adirondack chairs on their front lawns had no idea... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Garden gnomes signify swinging too?! Goddamnit, is nothing sacred?! Kharn So does two Adirondak chairs on your front lawn. Not kidding I'm guessing 99% of people with two Adirondack chairs on their front lawns had no idea... My neighbors had a red and a white Adirondack chair in their front lawn?!?! |
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Quoted: My neighbors had a red and a white Adirondack chair in their front lawn?!?! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Garden gnomes signify swinging too?! Goddamnit, is nothing sacred?! Kharn So does two Adirondak chairs on your front lawn. Not kidding I'm guessing 99% of people with two Adirondack chairs on their front lawns had no idea... My neighbors had a red and a white Adirondack chair in their front lawn?!?! What if your neighbors have 5 black Adirondack chairs surrounding one white Adirondack chair... Sounds like a party. |
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I had a good buddy who had a live in fiancé.
The funny part was that his old lady was a whore. I mean she forever tried to bang us. Anyhow, she would always step out on him. They also would do MFF 3 somes, and my buddy would also bang other chicks with out his fiancé knowing. Well, one day he finds out his old lady was whoring around, just like him, and he breaks up with her. When I heard the news, which was from his ex fiance for some reason, she prolly wanted some money, I started fuckin laughing my ass off She ended up ODing a few years later...nuts man I tell you what though, if you could look past her being a mega sloot, she was actually a very caring and loyal person. |
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Quoted: What if your neighbors have 5 black Adirondack chairs surrounding one white Adirondack chair... Sounds like a party. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Garden gnomes signify swinging too?! Goddamnit, is nothing sacred?! Kharn So does two Adirondak chairs on your front lawn. Not kidding I'm guessing 99% of people with two Adirondack chairs on their front lawns had no idea... My neighbors had a red and a white Adirondack chair in their front lawn?!?! What if your neighbors have 5 black Adirondack chairs surrounding one white Adirondack chair... Sounds like a party. Lol |
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Quoted: I remember reading an article years ago stating that a very small percentage of open / swinger marriages last more than X amount of years. View Quote I used to work with this dude who was a gym rat. Worked out every day, was into bodybuilding and was in good shape. I bumped into him out in town one day. He asked if my wife and I wanted to meet his new girlfriend. He was happy as could be and proud to show his new woman. I was thinking she was gonna be a hottie gym chick so I said yes. He walked us over to the next isle and there was this whale of a woman, probably 325lbs. After talking to him a bit more, we found out they were swingers. A few months later we saw her again and she was probably pushing 375lbs at this point. The fat flopping around beneath her arms had doubled in size. They were engaged at this point. Maybe 6 months later he came in a few days all sad and moping around. She was banging dudes without his permission and they broke up. |
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