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Posted: 11/7/2023 4:43:36 PM EST
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Beretta Storm.
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Posted: 11/7/2023 4:43:39 PM EST
[#2]
Folding, 9 mags from Beretta through SIG, $100 rebate? SUB-2000
Folding, M&P mags only? Smith folder Sinister, staple gun trigger, Beretta mags? Cx4 Takedown, heavy, Ruger or Glock mags? Ruger Carbine Wood? Henry, Marlin Camp if you can find either for under $1k. Cheap, ugly, bullpup stock available? HiPoint 995 Bullpup? AUG, Tavor, HiPoint, Marlin Camp 9 if you can find an old MuzzleLite stock AK fan? AK-9 DIY, probably as many mags as the SUB, tunable, folding stock available? AR-9, including the AR9ish carbines like the new Smith & the TNW/JRC twins. If you can get roller delayed blowback for under $1k, that's the smoothest - proprietary mags. Proprietary mags? Any Euro subgun w/ a big advertising budget. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 4:50:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have one, it’s a very short carbine and is accurate and reliable. As far as the su2000, I have one of those too and it’s easily my most regretted gun purchase. Most uncomfortable awkward and painful thing I’ve ever shot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Beretta Storm carbine. Lightweight, perfect for family members, can be shot with one hand if necessary, accurate and very dependable. 30 round magazines available. I have one, it’s a very short carbine and is accurate and reliable. As far as the su2000, I have one of those too and it’s easily my most regretted gun purchase. Most uncomfortable awkward and painful thing I’ve ever shot. The SUB really does seem to depend on your facial structure. It was designed by a Swede, and it fits me fine. Leaves a bruise, but fun to shoot w/ a can or 40 rounds of steel case through cheap ETS mags. I carry it everywhere in a sling bag. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 4:50:47 PM EST
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Not sure if we still hate Springfield Armory but I love my SA Victor Saint. Gunbroker shows them going for a bit more than your $1K price point. Not sure if those are inflated prices or real prices due to inflation. I got mine about a year ago from my LGS for about $900.
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Posted: 11/7/2023 5:12:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is something I am contemplating as well. Right now I'm leaning towards an 8" CMMG Banshee upper (or DIY with their barrel/bolt) to use on whatever lower I want, and then run theor 9mm endomags. This would give a relatively affordable delayed blowback action for recoil and suppressability, and it would also be compatible with a plethora of AR triggers including binary or potentially FRT after Rare Breed wins in court.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBq2flIxjlEHoly shit I'm not watching all of that lol. ETA: I skipped to the results. I was all in on the CMMG until I read about so many failures with their radial delay blowback gun, especially with higher round counts. It's hard to know if we're only hearing from people with problems while most are just fine but it was enough to give me pause. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 5:16:00 PM EST
[#6]
Sig 320 + flux chassis
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Posted: 11/7/2023 5:18:22 PM EST
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I just picked up a S&W FPC, haven’t shot it yet but I plan to in 3 weeks.
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Posted: 11/7/2023 5:21:15 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sub2k Cheap enough to let you see even if you like a 9mm carbine without getting too invested and cheap enough to not care about if you don't like the gun itself. Only if you dont like yourself or shooting. At 1k there are so many better options that still dont break the bank. The sub sacrifices nearly everything to fold up, even the user experience. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 5:31:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just picked up a S&W FPC, haven’t shot it yet but I plan to in 3 weeks. At least it’s better looking than a Hi-Point. They must be popular, since I can’t find any kind of discount-deal. I have one on the way. Companion to the 9mm M&P.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 5:33:11 PM EST
[#10]
KP9
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Posted: 11/7/2023 5:35:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CZ Scorpion I’d go with this. Always wanted one, old or new… but the old was technically Kurtz iirc. For fun and beating around, the old Rugers were nice imo, but still way too expensive for what it is. You could go the Glock route… lots of options there. Do you have access to a 3d printer OP? Check out places like Defcad, Yeggi and others. Matter of fact, maybe you should spend that money on a printer first. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 5:39:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beretta Storm carbine. Lightweight, perfect for family members, can be shot with one hand if necessary, accurate and very dependable. 30 round magazines available. I love mine. Of course I have a bunch of 92 series guns, too, so that helps. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 5:57:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only if you dont like yourself or shooting. At 1k there are so many better options that still dont break the bank. The sub sacrifices nearly everything to fold up, even the user experience. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sub2k Cheap enough to let you see even if you like a 9mm carbine without getting too invested and cheap enough to not care about if you don't like the gun itself. Only if you dont like yourself or shooting. At 1k there are so many better options that still dont break the bank. The sub sacrifices nearly everything to fold up, even the user experience. While it makes sacrifices to fold, it's not a bad gun. It's light, w/ a heavy bolt, quiet w/ a can, runs steel out of cheap ETS mags, sights are adjustable, LOP is adjustable. It also takes 9 different mags, depending on the configuration. It's no HK, but it's not trying to be. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 6:07:44 PM EST
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Posted: 11/7/2023 6:28:34 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164962/Back_In_Stock___PSA_Sabre-10A1_Forged_16-3019221.JPG Mags are cheap and good aftermarket support Where? ETA: For some reason it didn't pop up when I checked PSA's site. https://palmettostatearmory.com/cz-scorpion-3-9mm-16-3-20rd-rifle-black-91422.html?avad=211021_d34778cc9&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=df https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/806703914220 |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 6:30:46 PM EST
[#16]
Good deal on the micro.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/cz-scorpion-evo-3-micro-4-2-9mm-pistol-black-91420.html 
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Posted: 11/7/2023 6:48:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While it makes sacrifices to fold, it's not a bad gun. It's light, w/ a heavy bolt, quiet w/ a can, runs steel out of cheap ETS mags, sights are adjustable, LOP is adjustable. It also takes 9 different mags, depending on the configuration. It's no HK, but it's not trying to be. For roughly $400 it is a gem and you end up having to spend nearly twice as much or more to get a better gun. I have other 9mm large format guns and to get them into a "carbine" config you'll be way over 1k. I don't have experience with the cz or storm so I can't speak to those. I am sure they are fine, but I still like having my Sub2k stuck in the camelbak pouch of my fave backpack. It's not meant for an afficionado by any means, and frankly shoots like a pogo stick. But it works and I'm way more accurate with it than any handgun with minimal space/weight penalty. As much as I love shooting my mp5 clones, packing them sucks in comparison. For someone getting into pccs I think it is a fine entrypoint, especially if you already have compatible mags for it already in your stash. It is reliable, inexpensive, and will do a fair job of showing you what can be done with 9mm when you have a steady platform and a few extra fps to work with. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 7:08:55 PM EST
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I just picked up my Colt 6951 a few months back for 1k. Very fun to shoot and reliable.
If anything it's cheap to shoot right now. 32rd duramags have been great. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 7:19:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beretta Storm carbine. Lightweight, perfect for family members, can be shot with one hand if necessary, accurate and very dependable. 30 round magazines available. this is the way |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 7:50:39 PM EST
[#20]
Hi Point
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Posted: 11/7/2023 8:20:10 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At least it’s better looking than a Hi-Point. They must be popular, since I can’t find any kind of discount-deal. I have one on the way. Companion to the 9mm M&P. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/IMG_0456_png-3019186.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/IMG_0531_jpeg-3019193.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just picked up a S&W FPC, haven’t shot it yet but I plan to in 3 weeks. At least it’s better looking than a Hi-Point. They must be popular, since I can’t find any kind of discount-deal. I have one on the way. Companion to the 9mm M&P. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/IMG_0456_png-3019186.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/IMG_0531_jpeg-3019193.JPG Yes, yes it is. BTW, Gunmag Warehouse had 23 round magazines on sale. 
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Posted: 11/7/2023 8:22:15 PM EST
[#22]
I wouldn’t mind having a thureon defense
 Thureon Defense 9mm Carbine Shooting Impressions |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 8:31:34 PM EST
[#23]
My vote goes for an MP5 (MKE AP5)
It's so iconic AND still functions in a way that many still try to emulate.  MP5 Setups (BT TriRail, BT Stock) by Solo__, on Flickr |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 8:34:38 PM EST
[#24]
Mp5 clone on sale, not even close
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Posted: 11/7/2023 8:36:02 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where are you finding an Uzi for under a grand in current year?  ETA: Even Uzi pros have skyrocketed now.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Uzi. ETA: Even Uzi pros have skyrocketed now. Yeah my action arms wants a play friend |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 8:36:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is something I am contemplating as well. Right now I'm leaning towards an 8" CMMG Banshee upper (or DIY with their barrel/bolt) to use on whatever lower I want, and then run theor 9mm endomags. This would give a relatively affordable delayed blowback action for recoil and suppressability, and it would also be compatible with a plethora of AR triggers including binary or potentially FRT after Rare Breed wins in court. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBq2flIxjlEI used to always recommend the Banshee as my first choice for a PCC, and I still like mine, but just FYI some of their uppers are not compatible with some very common lowers. Found out the hard way when I ordered 3 uppers from them and none would fit my MARS-L |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 8:38:59 PM EST
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The GHM9K is the steal of the century - it feels and shoots like a much more expensive gun. I will say, even though it’s antiquated, nothing scratches the itch like an MP5. I have four variants and would have no issue adding more.
I would avoid AR9 platform guns, tube guns like the Sub-2K and the Scorpion (and overrated gun - fun, but feels like it was designed on a bet). If you go blowback, get something with a good hydraulic buffer. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 8:40:04 PM EST
[#28]
OP if you're interested in something a bit different, the Vectors have recently been dropping into the $1k range, but I wouldn't recommend one in 9mm. They're much more reliable in 10mm and .45
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Posted: 11/7/2023 8:51:25 PM EST
[#29]
kp9
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Posted: 11/7/2023 9:03:12 PM EST
[#30]
Save up for the apc9k. Its the best overal pcc on the market because I said so and it takes glock mags
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Posted: 11/7/2023 9:05:54 PM EST
[#31]
For a couple of years, when ammo was cheap, I shot a Sub 2000 in speed steel matches.They are one of the greatest guns ever built. 1000's of rounds; ZERO issues in a steel match; 200 rounds per match. You have to clean them, period.Takes Glock mags. I did some work to mine; easy to shoot well with "ultra match dot" .
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Posted: 11/7/2023 9:11:58 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sig 320 + flux chassis I thought the FLUX stuff was pretty much unobtanium now? I've been seriously wanting a Glock 17L or maybe a 34 in a B&T USW chassis lately though. DAMN YOU IRAQVETERAN8888!!!  My only issue with these setups however has always been: No manual safety on a handgun is no problem, that's what holsters are for. No manual safety on what most people would basically treat as a carbine, that's a bit of a problem. Sure B&T makes holsters for these, but honestly, who really uses one? |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 9:16:21 PM EST
[#33]
I've had a lot of fun with my PSA ARV. Mags are cheap, it has been 100% reliable. Train with ammo that is $250/1k or less and anything you learn with it translates over to a regular AR style 5.56. When I head to the range and open the safe to pick the toys that are coming with me, my hand always reaches for the ARV. At the end of the day, it usually has the most rounds through it as well.
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Posted: 11/7/2023 9:19:10 PM EST
[#34]
Quoted: Subject of post says it all. What PCC in 9mm should I look at? Less then $1k new Glock in a B&T USW-Glock chassis. Does everything a 9mm AR does but fits in a glove box. The gun you have with you is better than the one you left at home because it was too big to be discrete with etc… |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 9:19:58 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, yes it is. BTW, Gunmag Warehouse had 23 round magazines on sale. Yep. https://gunmagwarehouse.com/smith-wesson-m-p9-9mm-23-round-magazine-with-adapter.html Still kind of expensive at $45 But that "adapter" thing sells separately for $13. So if you figure the mag is then $32, no worse than a Glock "stick."  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 9:27:56 PM EST
[#36]
Lot of folks advocating NFA setups.
Which are cool. I'm a stamp-collector myself. But some of use have made a firm decision to NOT bring NFA stuff to the self-defense table. If the shooting somehow goes federal for charges, the mandatory-minimum sentences that attach to unlawful use of a REGISTERED NFA ITEM, are real ball-busters. All it takes for the feds to pick it up is for them to decide you violated some burglar's "civil rights." https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/federal-civil-rights-statutes |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 9:29:34 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cheap enough to let you see even if you like a 9mm carbine without getting too invested and cheap enough to not care about if you don't like the gun itself. You had a spelling error in there, bud. Otherwise, SPOT ON! |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 10:14:47 PM EST
[#38]
I'm leaning towards Ruger PCC with the Magpul backpacker stock. Being able to use Glock mags is attractive since I love my Glock 19.
Not 100 percent sure. The M&P folding one is second place at the moment |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:02:51 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For a couple of years, when ammo was cheap, I shot a Sub 2000 in speed steel matches.They are one of the greatest guns ever built. 1000's of rounds; ZERO issues in a steel match; 200 rounds per match. You have to clean them, period.Takes Glock mags. I did some work to mine; easy to shoot well with "ultra match dot" . What optic setup did you use? I'm still running irons on mine, planning on transitioning to a Fold-AR. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 12:42:16 AM EST
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Ok, I will expand on my answer
I have the following and my thoughts on them: SBR MP5 clone: it’s iconic bit hard to accessorize and mags and parts are expensive but suppresses well MP5K clone: as above K-USA KP9: not bad all around but weird AK ergos, mags aren’t badly priced and can put a red dot on it SBR AR9: well I mean it’s an AR so parts and accessories are everywhere, AR ergos but mags are kind of expensive and recoil is more than you would expect, suppress well CZ Scorpion: ergos are different but not bad and I don’t mind the grip but can change it if I want, mags are available and cheap, good aftermarket support and suppresses well |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 2:58:23 AM EST
[#41]
Personally I consider Stribog the most underappreciated gun of this category out there. Though really, it's an SMG, and was never intended to be a 16" barreled gun; which they do make it as now. Reason I like Stribog is it's a modern roller delayed gun. MP5's are cool and all, but quite heavy, and the last shot in every magazine is a *CLICK*. Stribog is lighter with more modern construction components, and has a good last-shot bolt-lock. I don't really endorse going blow-back if you don't have to; there are more advanced and improved systems today like Roller Delayed and Radial Delayed.
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Posted: 11/8/2023 3:09:54 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: MP5 Clone. The smile after the first mag is worth it. This. Just slightly more than $1000, but worth every penny. My AP5, with three extra 30-round mags, is the most shooting fun I've had in years.  Attached FileETA: 25 yards, offhand, rapid fire. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 3:15:09 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, I will expand on my answer I have the following and my thoughts on them: SBR MP5 clone: it’s iconic bit hard to accessorize and mags and parts are expensive but suppresses well MP5K clone: as above K-USA KP9: not bad all around but weird AK ergos, mags aren’t badly priced and can put a red dot on it SBR AR9: well I mean it’s an AR so parts and accessories are everywhere, AR ergos but mags are kind of expensive and recoil is more than you would expect, suppress well CZ Scorpion: ergos are different but not bad and I don’t mind the grip but can change it if I want, mags are available and cheap, good aftermarket support and suppresses well I have very similar, all suppressed: HK SP5K - agree with you - and I love mine. SBR AR9 - 8.5” (FoxTrot Mike) - agree - but mine uses 33rd Glock mags, plentiful. I love mine. CZ Scorpion - I agree with you, but will add the safety is absolutely horrible, trigger is horrible, bolt CH isn’t the best. I think I have all the parts to fix mine, just never got around to it. Lost interest. My vote would be a MP5 clone, or AR9. Love the MP5, cause who doesn’t. And love the AR9, because it’s AR15 Ergonomics. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 3:28:32 AM EST
[#44]
2 stamp Sig MPX with Wolfman is a lot of fun but the ARs and Shotguns get far more training time
Still fun and great way to on-ramp new shooters  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 5:02:09 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sold my Colt 9mm AR recently. Seemed pointless... This is what I want, guess it’s a little more than 1k. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 6:54:32 AM EST
[#46]
So can someone help me out because I'm ignorant to the NFA and SBR process.
Let's say I want to get a Ruger PC Charger (pistol) and a stock like this for it.  Attached FileMy understanding is that I could buy both of those but if I put the stock on the pistol I'd be making a SBR. What exactly is the process of legally being able to put those two things together? |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 7:12:26 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So can someone help me out because I'm ignorant to the NFA and SBR process. Let's say I want to get a Ruger PC Charger (pistol) and a stock like this for it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/126378/1000001323_png-3019793.JPG My understanding is that I could buy both of those but if I put the stock on the pistol I'd be making a SBR. What exactly is the process of legally being able to put those two things together? Fill out a F1, do fingerprint cards (easily done at home or if you plan on doing several get a digital copy), send .gov $200, notify your listed CLEO, wait on approval, get gun engraved with your name and town then mount stock. https://guntrustnfa.com/how-to-complete-the-atf-form-1/ https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/blogs/nfa-gun-trust-atf-information-database-blog/atf-eform-1-nfa-tax-stamp-walk-through-guide  Fingerprints At Home - An Easy How-To Guide |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 7:46:50 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a K but it has a 3 lug I have thought hard about getting this one just because its bare muzzle Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have one and can highly recommend it. I have a K but it has a 3 lug I have thought hard about getting this one just because its bare muzzle What's it take for those K models to run suppressed? Something about a different locking piece? I'm new to seriously looking into these guns. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 8:58:10 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: KP9 I was going to suggest this. I just built one for around $450 but I got lucky and found an RRA barrel for $50 instead of paying full retail $250 at ADCO.  Attached FileI bought a $90 bolt carrier and found an Anderson slick sided/no dust cover upper for $43 at right to bear arms I used the Discount code to get 25% off the KP9 lower and had the hand guards in my parts box. I’m over invested in 33 round Glock mags so I was GTG there. I love this thing. 1000 rounds through it this month without a single malfunction. Another good option is the Extar EP9 for $450 |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 5:46:34 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fill out a F1, do fingerprint cards (easily done at home or if you plan on doing several get a digital copy), send .gov $200, notify your listed CLEO, wait on approval, get gun engraved with your name and town then mount stock. https://guntrustnfa.com/how-to-complete-the-atf-form-1/ https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/blogs/nfa-gun-trust-atf-information-database-blog/atf-eform-1-nfa-tax-stamp-walk-through-guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMao0FhnU84So with the pistol brace stuff ...could I just get a charger and a pistol brace without having to jump through those hoops? |
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