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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:15:38 PM EDT
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Any accusation that Trump did something nefarious to pursue an investigation is without merit and evidence. Trump acted properly on real evidence. The same as any other LEO would. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:16:22 PM EDT
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Are you reaching for straws? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:16:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump didn't put a hold on aid to Ukraine prior to the call? Hearsay is inadmissible. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:17:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't you need an investigation to determine that? Is Trump a cop? |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:17:30 PM EDT
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Soooo he did? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:18:03 PM EDT
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If biden had admitted to murdering someone would trump be accused of tampering with an election for wanting to investigate it? Are we suppose to say fuck it, hes a criminal, but were not going to investigate because hes running for office? Really? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Which would have been fine if there was not the questions of a quid pro quo, and if Biden wasn't a potential opponent. Are we suppose to say fuck it, hes a criminal, but were not going to investigate because hes running for office? Really? |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:18:08 PM EDT
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with the phone call. Doesn't matter now. The media is running with it and the average voter will just remember the news saying that Orange Man did some bad stuff and these Democrat candidates are giving out free shit!
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:18:48 PM EDT
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Yes, and that inquiry should have been conducted by someone that does not stand to directly benefit from such a inquiry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:19:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, and that inquiry should have been conducted by someone that does not stand to directly benefit from such a inquiry. If you mean the actual investigation, Trump wouldn't be doing it. But that isn't the inquiry we are talking about. If you mean a discussion of restarting such an investigation, then the discussion would be at POTUS level or very close. In any case POTUS would know and would have approved. So a distinction without difference. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:19:52 PM EDT
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No evidence that was done in anticipation of the call. The transcript doesn't mention it. Hearsay is inadmissible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The connection to the withholding of aid and the call is where the ambiguity lies in this situation, and is Trump's best defense. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:20:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he admitted to murder then that investigation should go to the appropriate agency and not be conducted by someone who has something to gain politically. Seriously? Biden is not his opponent. Bidens opponent is Harris, Warren, and any of the other losers the dems wanna put up. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:21:32 PM EDT
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So if Biden wasn't running for office, would you still have a problem with the President doing what he did? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:22:47 PM EDT
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Where exactly does any of the executive branch get their authority? The commander in chief, so technically yes. But not only yes, but the highest in the land. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:23:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I personally don't really care. The question posed by the OP is what would warrant an impeachment, and if Biden was not running then what Trump did would not come into even the strained reading of the law. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:24:12 PM EDT
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If he did, how is it related to the transcript? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:25:40 PM EDT
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Thank you for correcting the record. Your .05 check is in the mail. Report back for better talking points. Seriously? Biden is not his opponent. Bidens opponent is Harris, Warren, and any of the other losers the dems wanna put up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If he admitted to murder then that investigation should go to the appropriate agency and not be conducted by someone who has something to gain politically. Seriously? Biden is not his opponent. Bidens opponent is Harris, Warren, and any of the other losers the dems wanna put up. 
If Biden isn't his opponent then why is Trump talking about him on Twitter? |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:26:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he admitted to murder then that investigation should go to the appropriate agency and not be conducted by someone who has something to gain politically. But coordination at a high level was necessary for any such investigation, since it involved different countries. Given that it involved a former VP, it absolutely makes sense that high level talks would be involved. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:26:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I personally don't really care. The question posed by the OP is what would warrant an impeachment, and if Biden was not running then what Trump did would not come into even the strained reading of the law. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:26:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does Trump have a POST certificate then? If one of the dems losers was caught smuggling full auto, and arrested federally would that be tampering? Why not? |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:26:19 PM EDT
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What law? He asked a foreign head of state to look into how a foreign investigation was closed out. Why are you so hung up on a foreign corruption investigation? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I personally don't really care. The question posed by the OP is what would warrant an impeachment, and if Biden was not running then what Trump did would not come into even the strained reading of the law. 
The law I posted earlier. Try reading the whole thread.
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:27:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I personally don't really care. The question posed by the OP is what would warrant an impeachment, and if Biden was not running then what Trump did would not come into even the strained reading of the law. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:27:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I personally don't really care. The question posed by the OP is what would warrant an impeachment, and if Biden was not running then what Trump did would not come into even the strained reading of the law. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:27:45 PM EDT
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The law doesnt take a break so that a democrat can get a free pass during election time. This is bidens doing and the dems are upset he got exposed. The timing is what it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:28:02 PM EDT
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Because it could be construed as a quid pro quo. Come on, this isn't that hard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:29:50 PM EDT
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Impeachment is always a political process. Legal really has nothing to do with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:30:07 PM EDT
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The law I posted earlier. Try reading the whole thread. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:31:26 PM EDT
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So you make stuff up just like Adam Schiff Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are people making that connection? If so, then it could be construed as much. Whether or not it is a quid pro quo is a different question. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:32:48 PM EDT
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You mean the one they looked into, and cleared from the supposed whistleblower? Again what law did he break? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The law I posted earlier. Try reading the whole thread. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:32:52 PM EDT
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Wouldn't you need an investigation to determine that? Is Trump a cop? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:34:08 PM EDT
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No investigation needed or warranted. The only witness, thus far, is a pseudo whistleblower with second/third hand information. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:35:19 PM EDT
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Are people making that connection? If so, then it could be construed as much. Whether or not it is a quid pro quo is a different question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are people making that connection? If so, then it could be construed as much. Whether or not it is a quid pro quo is a different question. Just because the media tells you it's there doesn't mean it's real. Just like Schiff telling us he's seen direct evidence of Russian collusion. They create a fake narrative and you believe it. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:35:24 PM EDT
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I personally think this has squat to do with Biden. At this point it would be real easy to throw Joe and his son to the wolves and let them face this debacle on their own. I think the Crowd Strike server is the real issue and a lot guilty politicians who really have nothing left to lose.
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:35:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was cleared criminally, but impeachment is a political matter, and not beholden to the same standards. Again, try reading the whole thread. Obvious troll, gonna troll. Not gonna feed you anymore, g'day sir. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:35:37 PM EDT
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Says the Oath of Office
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:36:16 PM EDT
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So there is evidence then? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:36:59 PM EDT
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Where in the transcript is the quid pro quo? Just because the media tells you it's there doesn't mean it's real. Just like Schiff telling us he's seen direct evidence of Russian collusion. They create a fake narrative and you believe it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are people making that connection? If so, then it could be construed as much. Whether or not it is a quid pro quo is a different question. Just because the media tells you it's there doesn't mean it's real. Just like Schiff telling us he's seen direct evidence of Russian collusion. They create a fake narrative and you believe it. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:38:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would one just focus on the transcript? |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:38:07 PM EDT
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Depends on your definition of is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:39:43 PM EDT
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So you cant find it in the transcript Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:40:33 PM EDT
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So there is evidence then? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:40:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A donation or contribution can be information, and the argument made against Trump was that he was soliciting information on a political opponent which potentially can be a violation of campaign finance law. Whether or not that would hold up in a court of law is mostly irrelevant now, since impeachment is a political process. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:41:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did I make the argument that Biden would get a pass? The problem lies not with an investigation, but with how potentially Trump pursued it |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:41:45 PM EDT
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Romney's former CIA adviser is now on the BOD of Burisma Holdings, it's looking like team Never Trump is corrupt as fuck, just like their establishment democrat friends and the Biden family.
Trump is threatening some really big money, should have pulled those security clearances, and not trusted the GOPe. Joseph Cofer Black was in charge of tracking al-Qaeda from 1998 to 2001, after they attacked us he was promoted by GWB , and now he's sitting on the BOD of Burisma Holdings. CIA guy with enough Ukrainian connections to get onto the BOD of a Ukrainian NG producer. I bet he had nothing to do with the 2016 election, and Romney hates Trump because of his tweets.
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:42:08 PM EDT
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He's asked them to investigate a crime that happened in the past by a high level government official. It's irrelevant that he is running a campaign now Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:44:18 PM EDT
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So you only want trump to pursue only non democrat stuff......b/c its impossible to investigate a dem....and we know they dont investigate themselves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:44:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which would have been fine if there was not the questions of a quid pro quo, and if Biden wasn't a potential opponent. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:49:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And read through this whole thread
This is why you have to pull these assholes out of foreign service occasionally, they become far too comfortable with their liasons and enemies and start implementing their own deals... |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:49:37 PM EDT
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If Biden isn't his opponent then why is Trump talking about him on Twitter? |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:51:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lay out the quid pro quo for us dummies Whether or not the quid pro quo argument is convincing is a separate question on whether not not there is the specter of quid pro quo. |
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Posted: 9/26/2019 7:51:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The process of impeachment is political, but to reasonably start that process and sell it to the American people, they need a legal justification. With no justification the democrats would be slitting their own throats. 
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